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herO and his tactical pauses from Proleague days. ouch 
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dummy1
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Elentos
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sneakyfox
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Tyrhanius
France947 Posts
Or a Protoss late game nerf, something like HP of interceptors nerfed from 40/40 to 35/35. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16005 Posts
On June 10 2018 12:15 juicyjames wrote: Was any of this recommended? Gumiho vs TY was a good series if you like TvT. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8982 Posts
On June 10 2018 15:22 dummy1 wrote: Dat pause. I just see the situation for what it was: shady as fck. No whine. Just saying it. TY changed the build order. + Show Spoiler + herO and his tactical pauses from Proleague days. ouch At around 11:52 TY stopped spending his money, over the next 10 seconds he went over 800/500 resources and below 100 APM. That just wouldn't happen naturally to a player like TY. The game was resumed from 11:52 which is the exact time that the issues appeared to have started. TY didn't change the build order at all, he just actually started making things. Now I agree that pauses in general have an unknown impact on the game. Some players will be put out of rhythm by it and may even lose as a result. But you can't call a pause suspicious when there was clearly something going wrong | ||
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necrosexy
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that delay gave him time to assess Gumiho's attack, otherwise he has seconds to react | ||
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Elentos
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On June 11 2018 03:53 necrosexy wrote: whether TY did it deliberately or not is irrelevant. that delay gave him time to assess Gumiho's attack, otherwise he has seconds to react He's a progamer, it doesn't take him more than a few seconds to figure out what to do in that spot. Odds are he knew what to do already and got stopped by his keyboard not working. Not the other way around. | ||
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necrosexy
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On June 11 2018 04:50 Elentos wrote: He's a progamer, it doesn't take him more than a few seconds to figure out what to do in that spot. Odds are he knew what to do already and got stopped by his keyboard not working. Not the other way around. he's human first. "odds are" -- what odds? speculative and rather unconvincing | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8982 Posts
It wasn't even that great an attack or allin either (three tanks and a bunch of hellbats), TY had more than enough army and production to hold it. If TY was really willing to pause and assess a situation he wouldn't have done it there. | ||
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Elentos
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On June 11 2018 05:55 necrosexy wrote: he's human first. "odds are" -- what odds? speculative and rather unconvincing This On June 10 2018 06:20 necrosexy wrote: Gumiho was robbed of game 2 is what speculative and unconvincing looks like. He wasn't even ahead in the game yet you claim he was robbed. Maybe it would have been more fair to redo the game entirely but if both players agree to resume game from 11:52 I see no reason to object any further. | ||
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necrosexy
451 Posts
On June 12 2018 00:12 Elentos wrote: This is what speculative and unconvincing looks like. He wasn't even ahead in the game yet you claim he was robbed. Maybe it would have been more fair to redo the game entirely but if both players agree to resume game from 11:52 I see no reason to object any further. that opinion is too strong, but my point is that it's unfair to Gumiho. "ahead in the game", yes, because when you're ahead, it 100% means auto-win? c'mon | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8982 Posts
On June 12 2018 08:12 necrosexy wrote: that opinion is too strong, but my point is that it's unfair to Gumiho. "ahead in the game", yes, because when you're ahead, it 100% means auto-win? c'mon Do you seriously think the pause game him a 100% auto win? Gumiho wasn't robbed of anything. He had no literally no advantages that the pause could have cost him | ||
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necrosexy
451 Posts
On June 12 2018 08:43 Fango wrote: Do you seriously think the pause game him a 100% auto win? Gumiho wasn't robbed of anything. He had no literally no advantages that the pause could have cost him i meant my opinion ("Gumiho was robbed") is too strong. you're just undervaluing the element of time and calculation. any chance Gumiho had was gone. that's what was truly robbed: a chance to comeback. what do you think TY was doing during that gap? twiddling his thumbs? | ||
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dummy1
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Ej_
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Sakat
Croatia1599 Posts
On June 12 2018 12:32 dummy1 wrote: Let's say it was legit. His keyboard was broken but he uses his mouse and stoped the game right before the push/attack. Gumiho cut off TY's third base. TY kited so hard and turned back with all of his units.15 min pause to change a wire/ a keyboard? Ooook. But, when game was resumed TY changed the build order. And also he sent a group to intercept new hellions/tanks. HE counts the numbers. It was unfair moment (at least). Occams' Razor, bro | ||
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dummy1
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Got it. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15828 Posts
A coinflip is 100% fair and unbiased so no player would've gotten an unfair advantage. | ||
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sneakyfox
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On June 13 2018 06:27 Charoisaur wrote: The correct approach would've been cancelling the match and letting the winner get determined by a coinflip. A coinflip is 100% fair and unbiased so no player would've gotten an unfair advantage. Absolutely. In fact, this approach should be used in advance for the semifinals as well. For far too long have we let the abilities of players corrupt the cleanness and fairness of our game. | ||
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