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On May 28 2018 19:43 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2018 07:17 Rels wrote:
Jealous is a coinflip. I would vote Koshi over him. But I would really prefer to just lynch DF? I don't understand why nobody is voting him except me when everybody agreed he is scummy Rels why did you stay on DF?
Cause he was the only one I thought had a good chance to flip scum. I would have switched to you before deadline though if I had to choose between you and Jealous.
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On May 29 2018 01:16 Holyflare wrote:
Who are we lynching and why isn't it gb?
I don't think it's GB why you think GB is scum still? Also what your thoughts on df and fuba wagons?
On May 29 2018 03:24 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2018 08:42 LightningStrike wrote:
Just got home and saw rayn died. PM'd the mods to post the day post when I noticed they were late on mobile (hate posting on mobile) >.< I probably wont lynch GB today just iwsh HF was here to talk to me to see where he's at with Koshi after Koshi posted some more in the night phase >.< Why do you feel the need to talk about you PMing the mods ? That's twice now.
I actually did pm them because they didn't post the day post until after I pm'd -.- Out of all the things in that post you worried more about that part???????
On May 29 2018 03:30 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2018 09:07 LightningStrike wrote:On May 28 2018 09:02 GlowingBear wrote:On May 28 2018 08:58 LightningStrike wrote:On May 28 2018 08:18 GlowingBear wrote:
Part 1
If I die tonight (something I don't believe in), you guys just have to figure out Koshi's alignment and stick to analyze how the voting pattern happened minutes prior to EoD.
Rels is suspicious for not wanting to vote Jealous but being okay with shennanies in any other player. I know people will say that the same can be said about me. It's partially right. But I was very confuse of who I thought we should lynch at EoD. Rels have being playing pretty straightforward, he doesn't seem insecure. He wanted to lynch darthfoley, yes, but at that time it wasn't unclear what his opinon on the main wagons was. If you're so right someone might be mafia and believes main wagons are going to flip town (or are a coin flip), I believe he should've been more incisive in convincing people to change to his target. Again, this is even stronger evidence if Koshi turns out to be mafia.
LS is playing a very confuse game and I'm never sure of what he believes. But his vote on Koshi was really bad. When I questioned it, he gave a very bad reason to vote Koshi. If he was sheeping someone, he should've just said it. Instead he came with a bad argument, following thread sentiment, voting the counter-wagon. If you believe Koshi might be town (like me), then this even stronger evidence. I'm lynching LS tomorrow like the hell out of me.
I don't know what to make of Holyflare and Rayn. I have arguments for both alignments regarding then. For know, I believe they could be town, and I'll be sticking to it. If LS flips mafia I'd be very suspicious of HF. Also, his hammer on Jealous is suspicious. Because he never wanted to vote Jealous in the first place and he didn't really hammer Jealous. He was already set to be the lynch when I unvoted him, and I knew it when I unvoted. HF Making it sound he is town for hammering Jealous is actually really bad for Holyflare, not the opposite. You should have this in mind. I will be honest I always been a bit of a confused game type of person even from the start of my mafia career which I think you forgot. I actually did believe my reasons for voting Koshi and Koshi himself addmited in this post about why he didn't come back to the thread until the night phase: On May 27 2018 18:41 Koshi wrote:On May 27 2018 06:47 LightningStrike wrote:On May 27 2018 06:44 GlowingBear wrote:
LS, Koshi didn't even continue playing He said he would play if he thinks rels starts playing like town which means he didn't. True Story. I was at the Brussel Jazz Marathon and couldnt be bebothered. BUT Rels is still mafia so I didnt break my promise. There was true validity to my reasoning. Although night kill says Koshi might be town now but I know my alignment as town and no I not the doctor. LS, I'll admit the confusing part. But that is never a reason to scumread someone. Why Koshi not playing indicates he is mafia? Where is the scum motivation behind it? Why can't town!Koshi do that? I thought town Koshi at the time would actually push for his target like he did the last game I did with him here: https://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/mafia/529240-a-simple-game-of-mafia?user=KoshiBut I don't think he's a big enough idiot to kill rayn over HF i nthis scenerio with rayn pushign for his lynch as it would put himself to much in the spot light. That makes no sense. You townreading Koshi for that kill is the proof that it doesn't work that way. NK analysis CAN be useful sometimes, but not when applied this simply.
Not just the night kill but some of his posts in the night phase made me doubt my scumread on him and the night kill as well. Just my interpenetration of it.
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On May 28 2018 19:50 Koshi wrote:
Yeah.. what can I say. I am undecided on df atm.
Why isn't he almost conf town from your POV ... ? He could have lynched you but didn't.
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On May 28 2018 19:52 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2018 22:11 Koshi wrote:On May 25 2018 20:21 Rels wrote:On May 25 2018 20:16 fuba wrote:On May 25 2018 20:06 Rels wrote:On May 25 2018 12:59 GlowingBear wrote:Less euphoric now, reading more carefully. + Show Spoiler +On May 25 2018 12:37 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2018 11:40 LightningStrike wrote:On May 25 2018 11:39 GlowingBear wrote:
But LS, you said our fight looked forced.
How did your read from "forced" to "natural" happened? It looked forced at first but his read from scumreading you to townreading you was natural though given the posts after that. I'm okay with you being town. I'm no longer okay with you being town. First I thought "LS has no reason to fake feeling our 'fight' is a bit forced and then flipping his position an calling both of us town", but then I thought "why is he calling me town for a post right after rayn said I was town for the same post?", felt like parroting. I don't know, I have to give this more thought. LS, you've played with me as scum, didn't you? People never get me as scum day'1 because I am always a heavy poster. I don't know why you think I would be lazy as mafia. Plus "a fuzzy memory" doesn't look like a strong ground to call someone town. @Rayn: Why am I town for that post? I called it a "shitpost" but you said you really mean it word by word. Is that true? On May 25 2018 11:19 Grackaroni wrote:
I have no opinion on this fight whatsoever. We can start voting you then, because it's impossible to not have even a weak opinion on my interaction with rayn. ##Unvote
##Vote: Grackaroni Why are you talking about LS being scum in 99% of your post, then voting another dude ? What are your thoughts on his LS reasoning? not bad, it's true that LS changed his read after rayn did it, then justified it with "fuzzy meta". ##Vote RelsRels openings are legendary bad but this cant go unpunished. GB or Rels. Can you explain again what happened here with LS and why you think that makes him mafia?
I thought LS was scummy at that point 'cause he claimed to have closely followed a particular portion of the thread (the GB vs rayn fight, I think max 20 posts), but missed two things in it, that he should have picked up 'cause it was related to things he had commented before.
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On May 29 2018 01:03 LightningStrike wrote:
Like I think it was a huge mistake for scum to even let that lynch happen with 3 votes only. They could of saved their scummate easily either on you or df Koshi.
well why do you think scum made a mistake then ? Couldn't they have been AFK instead ?
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On May 29 2018 03:40 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2018 03:24 Rels wrote:On May 28 2018 08:42 LightningStrike wrote:
Just got home and saw rayn died. PM'd the mods to post the day post when I noticed they were late on mobile (hate posting on mobile) >.< I probably wont lynch GB today just iwsh HF was here to talk to me to see where he's at with Koshi after Koshi posted some more in the night phase >.< Why do you feel the need to talk about you PMing the mods ? That's twice now. I actually did pm them because they didn't post the day post until after I pm'd -.- Out of all the things in that post you worried more about that part???????
I just find it weird that's all. I don't know if it's AI.
On May 29 2018 03:40 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2018 03:30 Rels wrote:On May 28 2018 09:07 LightningStrike wrote:On May 28 2018 09:02 GlowingBear wrote:On May 28 2018 08:58 LightningStrike wrote:On May 28 2018 08:18 GlowingBear wrote:
Part 1
If I die tonight (something I don't believe in), you guys just have to figure out Koshi's alignment and stick to analyze how the voting pattern happened minutes prior to EoD.
Rels is suspicious for not wanting to vote Jealous but being okay with shennanies in any other player. I know people will say that the same can be said about me. It's partially right. But I was very confuse of who I thought we should lynch at EoD. Rels have being playing pretty straightforward, he doesn't seem insecure. He wanted to lynch darthfoley, yes, but at that time it wasn't unclear what his opinon on the main wagons was. If you're so right someone might be mafia and believes main wagons are going to flip town (or are a coin flip), I believe he should've been more incisive in convincing people to change to his target. Again, this is even stronger evidence if Koshi turns out to be mafia.
LS is playing a very confuse game and I'm never sure of what he believes. But his vote on Koshi was really bad. When I questioned it, he gave a very bad reason to vote Koshi. If he was sheeping someone, he should've just said it. Instead he came with a bad argument, following thread sentiment, voting the counter-wagon. If you believe Koshi might be town (like me), then this even stronger evidence. I'm lynching LS tomorrow like the hell out of me.
I don't know what to make of Holyflare and Rayn. I have arguments for both alignments regarding then. For know, I believe they could be town, and I'll be sticking to it. If LS flips mafia I'd be very suspicious of HF. Also, his hammer on Jealous is suspicious. Because he never wanted to vote Jealous in the first place and he didn't really hammer Jealous. He was already set to be the lynch when I unvoted him, and I knew it when I unvoted. HF Making it sound he is town for hammering Jealous is actually really bad for Holyflare, not the opposite. You should have this in mind. I will be honest I always been a bit of a confused game type of person even from the start of my mafia career which I think you forgot. I actually did believe my reasons for voting Koshi and Koshi himself addmited in this post about why he didn't come back to the thread until the night phase: On May 27 2018 18:41 Koshi wrote:On May 27 2018 06:47 LightningStrike wrote:On May 27 2018 06:44 GlowingBear wrote:
LS, Koshi didn't even continue playing He said he would play if he thinks rels starts playing like town which means he didn't. True Story. I was at the Brussel Jazz Marathon and couldnt be bebothered. BUT Rels is still mafia so I didnt break my promise. There was true validity to my reasoning. Although night kill says Koshi might be town now but I know my alignment as town and no I not the doctor. LS, I'll admit the confusing part. But that is never a reason to scumread someone. Why Koshi not playing indicates he is mafia? Where is the scum motivation behind it? Why can't town!Koshi do that? I thought town Koshi at the time would actually push for his target like he did the last game I did with him here: https://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/mafia/529240-a-simple-game-of-mafia?user=KoshiBut I don't think he's a big enough idiot to kill rayn over HF i nthis scenerio with rayn pushign for his lynch as it would put himself to much in the spot light. That makes no sense. You townreading Koshi for that kill is the proof that it doesn't work that way. NK analysis CAN be useful sometimes, but not when applied this simply. Not just the night kill but some of his posts in the night phase made me doubt my scumread on him and the night kill as well. Just my interpenetration of it.
In the bolded, and several other posts, you only talk about the NK. What other posts changed your mind ?
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'cause I don't agree. Koshi's posts didn't convince me. When he's town he gets very excited about something and it shows. The only time it happened this game was in his first spree of posts D1. Koshi not knowing what to do about DF when DF had the opportunity to hammer him is also weird.
What I'm saying is: KILL KOSHI. If he's town it should become obvious.
##Vote Koshi
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Who is koshi pushing? Jealous was up for lynch for quite a while and yet nobody joined onto the koshi wagon other than ls (who I think/thought was town) and fuba (really weak gut read town). Unless both of them are Jealous' partners or his partners are afk then nobody gave a shit about lynching koshi to save their team mate? Koshi never really became any kind of majority when it would be the easiest counter push for mafia to make. This goes the same for df. If LS or Fuba are mafia why did they not switch to df to save jealous? Koshi seems incredibly meek from what I've skimmed and is probably mafia. His alignment is really the key to figuring out this game.
GB's end of day was really bad. I saw him criticising rels for pushing df at end of day but he voted on df too????? There's so many misconstruing arguments in his filter (especially towards me) and so many posts keeping his options open that it's extremely likely that GB is mafia.
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On May 29 2018 03:47 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2018 01:03 LightningStrike wrote:
Like I think it was a huge mistake for scum to even let that lynch happen with 3 votes only. They could of saved their scummate easily either on you or df Koshi. well why do you think scum made a mistake then ? Couldn't they have been AFK instead ?
Because I doubt they wouldn't just go afk at deadline or close to deadline. Unless they were trying to be cocky for some reason.
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This is the only post from town Koshi, finding a thing that makes him react:
On May 25 2018 22:04 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2018 15:48 Holyflare wrote:On May 25 2018 12:59 GlowingBear wrote:Less euphoric now, reading more carefully. + Show Spoiler +On May 25 2018 12:37 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2018 11:40 LightningStrike wrote:On May 25 2018 11:39 GlowingBear wrote:
But LS, you said our fight looked forced.
How did your read from "forced" to "natural" happened? It looked forced at first but his read from scumreading you to townreading you was natural though given the posts after that. I'm okay with you being town. I'm no longer okay with you being town. First I thought "LS has no reason to fake feeling our 'fight' is a bit forced and then flipping his position an calling both of us town", but then I thought "why is he calling me town for a post right after rayn said I was town for the same post?", felt like parroting. I don't know, I have to give this more thought. LS, you've played with me as scum, didn't you? People never get me as scum day'1 because I am always a heavy poster. I don't know why you think I would be lazy as mafia. Plus "a fuzzy memory" doesn't look like a strong ground to call someone town. @Rayn: Why am I town for that post? I called it a "shitpost" but you said you really mean it word by word. Is that true? On May 25 2018 11:19 Grackaroni wrote:
I have no opinion on this fight whatsoever. We can start voting you then, because it's impossible to not have even a weak opinion on my interaction with rayn. ##Unvote
##Vote: Grackaroni This is like 90% why ls isn't town and 5% on grack yet you vote the off hand comment instead. Baaaaad gb. Hahahahaha. Oh boi. And the vote after. Hahahaha. This is better than browsing 9gag
But not appearing for the rest of the game. Especially apparent when he discovers he wasn't lynched:
On May 27 2018 18:49 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2018 08:06 Calix wrote:Night 1
Jealous was lynched. He was a Vanilla.
It is now Night 1, which lasts 24 hours.
Night 1 ends on Sunday, May 27 10:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00) which is in .
Please submit night actions to both hosts at least 10 minutes before deadline. This must be a joke.
On May 27 2018 18:49 Koshi wrote:
How the fuck did mafia fail to lynch me ?
On May 27 2018 18:58 Koshi wrote:
Going to assume grack is town due to the vote.. Even though bussing is vrilliant with no blues. So I wont consider it too hard.
rayn and hf are fine because my reads.
GB still top town.
I forgot my reads on others but I will reread my filter tomorrow and then build on that with the new content.
Rels is mafia or plays very mafialike. Dont understand why he didnt vote me though and asks abiut a df lynch. I guess the Jealous lynch was never set in stone.
Too many people could have voted me and didnt. Maybe they were afraid to show face near EoD? I dont know. Weird.
On May 27 2018 19:05 Koshi wrote:
Mufasa was voting me. Sad days.
On May 27 2018 19:07 Koshi wrote:
Rels & Mufasa if I had to pick 2 atm.
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BTW why did you post if you didn't know you weren't lynched ?
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On May 29 2018 04:09 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2018 03:47 Rels wrote:On May 29 2018 01:03 LightningStrike wrote:
Like I think it was a huge mistake for scum to even let that lynch happen with 3 votes only. They could of saved their scummate easily either on you or df Koshi. well why do you think scum made a mistake then ? Couldn't they have been AFK instead ? Because I doubt they wouldn't just go afk at deadline or close to deadline. Unless they were trying to be cocky for some reason.
So basically, you think the 2 scums left are people who were not AFK at deadline, and who didn't vote Jealous ? So basically, they're in GB / fuba / I ?
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On May 29 2018 03:49 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2018 03:40 LightningStrike wrote:On May 29 2018 03:24 Rels wrote:On May 28 2018 08:42 LightningStrike wrote:
Just got home and saw rayn died. PM'd the mods to post the day post when I noticed they were late on mobile (hate posting on mobile) >.< I probably wont lynch GB today just iwsh HF was here to talk to me to see where he's at with Koshi after Koshi posted some more in the night phase >.< Why do you feel the need to talk about you PMing the mods ? That's twice now. I actually did pm them because they didn't post the day post until after I pm'd -.- Out of all the things in that post you worried more about that part??????? I just find it weird that's all. I don't know if it's AI. Show nested quote +On May 29 2018 03:40 LightningStrike wrote:On May 29 2018 03:30 Rels wrote:On May 28 2018 09:07 LightningStrike wrote:On May 28 2018 09:02 GlowingBear wrote:On May 28 2018 08:58 LightningStrike wrote:On May 28 2018 08:18 GlowingBear wrote:
Part 1
If I die tonight (something I don't believe in), you guys just have to figure out Koshi's alignment and stick to analyze how the voting pattern happened minutes prior to EoD.
Rels is suspicious for not wanting to vote Jealous but being okay with shennanies in any other player. I know people will say that the same can be said about me. It's partially right. But I was very confuse of who I thought we should lynch at EoD. Rels have being playing pretty straightforward, he doesn't seem insecure. He wanted to lynch darthfoley, yes, but at that time it wasn't unclear what his opinon on the main wagons was. If you're so right someone might be mafia and believes main wagons are going to flip town (or are a coin flip), I believe he should've been more incisive in convincing people to change to his target. Again, this is even stronger evidence if Koshi turns out to be mafia.
LS is playing a very confuse game and I'm never sure of what he believes. But his vote on Koshi was really bad. When I questioned it, he gave a very bad reason to vote Koshi. If he was sheeping someone, he should've just said it. Instead he came with a bad argument, following thread sentiment, voting the counter-wagon. If you believe Koshi might be town (like me), then this even stronger evidence. I'm lynching LS tomorrow like the hell out of me.
I don't know what to make of Holyflare and Rayn. I have arguments for both alignments regarding then. For know, I believe they could be town, and I'll be sticking to it. If LS flips mafia I'd be very suspicious of HF. Also, his hammer on Jealous is suspicious. Because he never wanted to vote Jealous in the first place and he didn't really hammer Jealous. He was already set to be the lynch when I unvoted him, and I knew it when I unvoted. HF Making it sound he is town for hammering Jealous is actually really bad for Holyflare, not the opposite. You should have this in mind. I will be honest I always been a bit of a confused game type of person even from the start of my mafia career which I think you forgot. I actually did believe my reasons for voting Koshi and Koshi himself addmited in this post about why he didn't come back to the thread until the night phase: On May 27 2018 18:41 Koshi wrote:On May 27 2018 06:47 LightningStrike wrote:On May 27 2018 06:44 GlowingBear wrote:
LS, Koshi didn't even continue playing He said he would play if he thinks rels starts playing like town which means he didn't. True Story. I was at the Brussel Jazz Marathon and couldnt be bebothered. BUT Rels is still mafia so I didnt break my promise. There was true validity to my reasoning. Although night kill says Koshi might be town now but I know my alignment as town and no I not the doctor. LS, I'll admit the confusing part. But that is never a reason to scumread someone. Why Koshi not playing indicates he is mafia? Where is the scum motivation behind it? Why can't town!Koshi do that? I thought town Koshi at the time would actually push for his target like he did the last game I did with him here: https://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/mafia/529240-a-simple-game-of-mafia?user=KoshiBut I don't think he's a big enough idiot to kill rayn over HF i nthis scenerio with rayn pushign for his lynch as it would put himself to much in the spot light. That makes no sense. You townreading Koshi for that kill is the proof that it doesn't work that way. NK analysis CAN be useful sometimes, but not when applied this simply. Not just the night kill but some of his posts in the night phase made me doubt my scumread on him and the night kill as well. Just my interpenetration of it. In the bolded, and several other posts, you only talk about the NK. What other posts changed your mind ?
On May 27 2018 18:42 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2018 07:02 GlowingBear wrote:
I really dislike how this wagon on Koshi was formed.
HF is attacking rayn throughout the entire game
Never votes rayn.
Rayn posts an "outdated" read on Koshi (come on, everybody read those posts and it was also object for discussion)
HF, without reevaluating Rayn, decides he is right and votes for Koshi
Then people pile up for absolute no reason. Fuba decided OH THAT WAS A GOOD CASE, LS brings a very flimsy reason to vote Koshi which I heavily dislike (and makes me lean scum on him).
This wagon doesn't sound right at all.
Dont forget df and Rels also made a +1 post. I like you gb. I like you.
On May 27 2018 18:49 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2018 08:06 Calix wrote:Night 1
Jealous was lynched. He was a Vanilla.
It is now Night 1, which lasts 24 hours.
Night 1 ends on Sunday, May 27 10:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00) which is in .
Please submit night actions to both hosts at least 10 minutes before deadline. This must be a joke.
On May 27 2018 18:49 Koshi wrote:
How the fuck did mafia fail to lynch me ?
I might be reading to much into it but his reaction when he noticed that jealous was lynched instead of him that he seemed genuinely surprised. The first does show a bit more effort trying to get other people to notice stuff to.
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On May 29 2018 04:12 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2018 04:09 LightningStrike wrote:On May 29 2018 03:47 Rels wrote:On May 29 2018 01:03 LightningStrike wrote:
Like I think it was a huge mistake for scum to even let that lynch happen with 3 votes only. They could of saved their scummate easily either on you or df Koshi. well why do you think scum made a mistake then ? Couldn't they have been AFK instead ? Because I doubt they wouldn't just go afk at deadline or close to deadline. Unless they were trying to be cocky for some reason. So basically, you think the 2 scums left are people who were not AFK at deadline, and who didn't vote Jealous ? So basically, they're in GB / fuba / I ?
Maybe 1 afk at most. I doubt both of them would be afk. They might be in the other wagons potentially.
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On May 29 2018 04:13 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2018 03:49 Rels wrote:On May 29 2018 03:40 LightningStrike wrote:On May 29 2018 03:24 Rels wrote:On May 28 2018 08:42 LightningStrike wrote:
Just got home and saw rayn died. PM'd the mods to post the day post when I noticed they were late on mobile (hate posting on mobile) >.< I probably wont lynch GB today just iwsh HF was here to talk to me to see where he's at with Koshi after Koshi posted some more in the night phase >.< Why do you feel the need to talk about you PMing the mods ? That's twice now. I actually did pm them because they didn't post the day post until after I pm'd -.- Out of all the things in that post you worried more about that part??????? I just find it weird that's all. I don't know if it's AI. On May 29 2018 03:40 LightningStrike wrote:On May 29 2018 03:30 Rels wrote:On May 28 2018 09:07 LightningStrike wrote:On May 28 2018 09:02 GlowingBear wrote:On May 28 2018 08:58 LightningStrike wrote:On May 28 2018 08:18 GlowingBear wrote:
Part 1
If I die tonight (something I don't believe in), you guys just have to figure out Koshi's alignment and stick to analyze how the voting pattern happened minutes prior to EoD.
Rels is suspicious for not wanting to vote Jealous but being okay with shennanies in any other player. I know people will say that the same can be said about me. It's partially right. But I was very confuse of who I thought we should lynch at EoD. Rels have being playing pretty straightforward, he doesn't seem insecure. He wanted to lynch darthfoley, yes, but at that time it wasn't unclear what his opinon on the main wagons was. If you're so right someone might be mafia and believes main wagons are going to flip town (or are a coin flip), I believe he should've been more incisive in convincing people to change to his target. Again, this is even stronger evidence if Koshi turns out to be mafia.
LS is playing a very confuse game and I'm never sure of what he believes. But his vote on Koshi was really bad. When I questioned it, he gave a very bad reason to vote Koshi. If he was sheeping someone, he should've just said it. Instead he came with a bad argument, following thread sentiment, voting the counter-wagon. If you believe Koshi might be town (like me), then this even stronger evidence. I'm lynching LS tomorrow like the hell out of me.
I don't know what to make of Holyflare and Rayn. I have arguments for both alignments regarding then. For know, I believe they could be town, and I'll be sticking to it. If LS flips mafia I'd be very suspicious of HF. Also, his hammer on Jealous is suspicious. Because he never wanted to vote Jealous in the first place and he didn't really hammer Jealous. He was already set to be the lynch when I unvoted him, and I knew it when I unvoted. HF Making it sound he is town for hammering Jealous is actually really bad for Holyflare, not the opposite. You should have this in mind. I will be honest I always been a bit of a confused game type of person even from the start of my mafia career which I think you forgot. I actually did believe my reasons for voting Koshi and Koshi himself addmited in this post about why he didn't come back to the thread until the night phase: On May 27 2018 18:41 Koshi wrote:On May 27 2018 06:47 LightningStrike wrote:On May 27 2018 06:44 GlowingBear wrote:
LS, Koshi didn't even continue playing He said he would play if he thinks rels starts playing like town which means he didn't. True Story. I was at the Brussel Jazz Marathon and couldnt be bebothered. BUT Rels is still mafia so I didnt break my promise. There was true validity to my reasoning. Although night kill says Koshi might be town now but I know my alignment as town and no I not the doctor. LS, I'll admit the confusing part. But that is never a reason to scumread someone. Why Koshi not playing indicates he is mafia? Where is the scum motivation behind it? Why can't town!Koshi do that? I thought town Koshi at the time would actually push for his target like he did the last game I did with him here: https://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/mafia/529240-a-simple-game-of-mafia?user=KoshiBut I don't think he's a big enough idiot to kill rayn over HF i nthis scenerio with rayn pushign for his lynch as it would put himself to much in the spot light. That makes no sense. You townreading Koshi for that kill is the proof that it doesn't work that way. NK analysis CAN be useful sometimes, but not when applied this simply. Not just the night kill but some of his posts in the night phase made me doubt my scumread on him and the night kill as well. Just my interpenetration of it. In the bolded, and several other posts, you only talk about the NK. What other posts changed your mind ? Show nested quote +On May 27 2018 18:42 Koshi wrote:On May 27 2018 07:02 GlowingBear wrote:
I really dislike how this wagon on Koshi was formed.
HF is attacking rayn throughout the entire game
Never votes rayn.
Rayn posts an "outdated" read on Koshi (come on, everybody read those posts and it was also object for discussion)
HF, without reevaluating Rayn, decides he is right and votes for Koshi
Then people pile up for absolute no reason. Fuba decided OH THAT WAS A GOOD CASE, LS brings a very flimsy reason to vote Koshi which I heavily dislike (and makes me lean scum on him).
This wagon doesn't sound right at all.
Dont forget df and Rels also made a +1 post. I like you gb. I like you. Show nested quote +On May 27 2018 18:49 Koshi wrote:On May 27 2018 08:06 Calix wrote:Night 1
Jealous was lynched. He was a Vanilla.
It is now Night 1, which lasts 24 hours.
Night 1 ends on Sunday, May 27 10:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00) which is in .
Please submit night actions to both hosts at least 10 minutes before deadline. This must be a joke. I might be reading to much into it but his reaction when he noticed that jealous was lynched instead of him that he seemed genuinely surprised. The first does show a bit more effort trying to get other people to notice stuff to.
I disagree completely. I think his reaction was way below what he would do as town. And it's not true he was surprised at not being lynched, since he was posting, so he knew he wasn't dead.
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On May 29 2018 04:07 Holyflare wrote:
GB's end of day was really bad. I saw him criticising rels for pushing df at end of day but he voted on df too????? There's so many misconstruing arguments in his filter (especially towards me) and so many posts keeping his options open that it's extremely likely that GB is mafia.
Will have to reread how the votes went exactly, but I think GB consolidating on Jealous was the reason he was the lynch until he switched. Apart from that, I find his train of thoughts very townie, his reads are flowing logically. What arguments did he misconstruct ?
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On May 29 2018 04:15 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2018 04:12 Rels wrote:On May 29 2018 04:09 LightningStrike wrote:On May 29 2018 03:47 Rels wrote:On May 29 2018 01:03 LightningStrike wrote:
Like I think it was a huge mistake for scum to even let that lynch happen with 3 votes only. They could of saved their scummate easily either on you or df Koshi. well why do you think scum made a mistake then ? Couldn't they have been AFK instead ? Because I doubt they wouldn't just go afk at deadline or close to deadline. Unless they were trying to be cocky for some reason. So basically, you think the 2 scums left are people who were not AFK at deadline, and who didn't vote Jealous ? So basically, they're in GB / fuba / I ? Maybe 1 afk at most. I doubt both of them would be afk. They might be in the other wagons potentially.
mm. Statistically, maybe. But over such a low number of players, it's a gamble to use statistics to decide if the scums are AFK.
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On May 29 2018 04:16 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2018 04:13 LightningStrike wrote:On May 29 2018 03:49 Rels wrote:On May 29 2018 03:40 LightningStrike wrote:On May 29 2018 03:24 Rels wrote:On May 28 2018 08:42 LightningStrike wrote:
Just got home and saw rayn died. PM'd the mods to post the day post when I noticed they were late on mobile (hate posting on mobile) >.< I probably wont lynch GB today just iwsh HF was here to talk to me to see where he's at with Koshi after Koshi posted some more in the night phase >.< Why do you feel the need to talk about you PMing the mods ? That's twice now. I actually did pm them because they didn't post the day post until after I pm'd -.- Out of all the things in that post you worried more about that part??????? I just find it weird that's all. I don't know if it's AI. On May 29 2018 03:40 LightningStrike wrote:On May 29 2018 03:30 Rels wrote:On May 28 2018 09:07 LightningStrike wrote:On May 28 2018 09:02 GlowingBear wrote:On May 28 2018 08:58 LightningStrike wrote:On May 28 2018 08:18 GlowingBear wrote:
Part 1
If I die tonight (something I don't believe in), you guys just have to figure out Koshi's alignment and stick to analyze how the voting pattern happened minutes prior to EoD.
Rels is suspicious for not wanting to vote Jealous but being okay with shennanies in any other player. I know people will say that the same can be said about me. It's partially right. But I was very confuse of who I thought we should lynch at EoD. Rels have being playing pretty straightforward, he doesn't seem insecure. He wanted to lynch darthfoley, yes, but at that time it wasn't unclear what his opinon on the main wagons was. If you're so right someone might be mafia and believes main wagons are going to flip town (or are a coin flip), I believe he should've been more incisive in convincing people to change to his target. Again, this is even stronger evidence if Koshi turns out to be mafia.
LS is playing a very confuse game and I'm never sure of what he believes. But his vote on Koshi was really bad. When I questioned it, he gave a very bad reason to vote Koshi. If he was sheeping someone, he should've just said it. Instead he came with a bad argument, following thread sentiment, voting the counter-wagon. If you believe Koshi might be town (like me), then this even stronger evidence. I'm lynching LS tomorrow like the hell out of me.
I don't know what to make of Holyflare and Rayn. I have arguments for both alignments regarding then. For know, I believe they could be town, and I'll be sticking to it. If LS flips mafia I'd be very suspicious of HF. Also, his hammer on Jealous is suspicious. Because he never wanted to vote Jealous in the first place and he didn't really hammer Jealous. He was already set to be the lynch when I unvoted him, and I knew it when I unvoted. HF Making it sound he is town for hammering Jealous is actually really bad for Holyflare, not the opposite. You should have this in mind. I will be honest I always been a bit of a confused game type of person even from the start of my mafia career which I think you forgot. I actually did believe my reasons for voting Koshi and Koshi himself addmited in this post about why he didn't come back to the thread until the night phase: On May 27 2018 18:41 Koshi wrote:On May 27 2018 06:47 LightningStrike wrote:
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He said he would play if he thinks rels starts playing like town which means he didn't. True Story. I was at the Brussel Jazz Marathon and couldnt be bebothered. BUT Rels is still mafia so I didnt break my promise. There was true validity to my reasoning. Although night kill says Koshi might be town now but I know my alignment as town and no I not the doctor. LS, I'll admit the confusing part. But that is never a reason to scumread someone. Why Koshi not playing indicates he is mafia? Where is the scum motivation behind it? Why can't town!Koshi do that? I thought town Koshi at the time would actually push for his target like he did the last game I did with him here: https://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/mafia/529240-a-simple-game-of-mafia?user=KoshiBut I don't think he's a big enough idiot to kill rayn over HF i nthis scenerio with rayn pushign for his lynch as it would put himself to much in the spot light. That makes no sense. You townreading Koshi for that kill is the proof that it doesn't work that way. NK analysis CAN be useful sometimes, but not when applied this simply. Not just the night kill but some of his posts in the night phase made me doubt my scumread on him and the night kill as well. Just my interpenetration of it. In the bolded, and several other posts, you only talk about the NK. What other posts changed your mind ? On May 27 2018 18:42 Koshi wrote:On May 27 2018 07:02 GlowingBear wrote:
I really dislike how this wagon on Koshi was formed.
HF is attacking rayn throughout the entire game
Never votes rayn.
Rayn posts an "outdated" read on Koshi (come on, everybody read those posts and it was also object for discussion)
HF, without reevaluating Rayn, decides he is right and votes for Koshi
Then people pile up for absolute no reason. Fuba decided OH THAT WAS A GOOD CASE, LS brings a very flimsy reason to vote Koshi which I heavily dislike (and makes me lean scum on him).
This wagon doesn't sound right at all.
Dont forget df and Rels also made a +1 post. I like you gb. I like you. On May 27 2018 18:49 Koshi wrote:On May 27 2018 08:06 Calix wrote:Night 1
Jealous was lynched. He was a Vanilla.
It is now Night 1, which lasts 24 hours.
Night 1 ends on Sunday, May 27 10:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00) which is in .
Please submit night actions to both hosts at least 10 minutes before deadline. This must be a joke. On May 27 2018 18:49 Koshi wrote:
How the fuck did mafia fail to lynch me ? I might be reading to much into it but his reaction when he noticed that jealous was lynched instead of him that he seemed genuinely surprised. The first does show a bit more effort trying to get other people to notice stuff to. I disagree completely. I think his reaction was way below what he would do as town. And it's not true he was surprised at not being lynched, since he was posting, so he knew he wasn't dead.
To each of their own I guess.
On May 29 2018 04:22 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2018 04:15 LightningStrike wrote:On May 29 2018 04:12 Rels wrote:On May 29 2018 04:09 LightningStrike wrote:On May 29 2018 03:47 Rels wrote:On May 29 2018 01:03 LightningStrike wrote:
Like I think it was a huge mistake for scum to even let that lynch happen with 3 votes only. They could of saved their scummate easily either on you or df Koshi. well why do you think scum made a mistake then ? Couldn't they have been AFK instead ? Because I doubt they wouldn't just go afk at deadline or close to deadline. Unless they were trying to be cocky for some reason. So basically, you think the 2 scums left are people who were not AFK at deadline, and who didn't vote Jealous ? So basically, they're in GB / fuba / I ? Maybe 1 afk at most. I doubt both of them would be afk. They might be in the other wagons potentially. mm. Statistically, maybe. But over such a low number of players, it's a gamble to use statistics to decide if the scums are AFK.
True but my guts thinks otherwise.
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On May 29 2018 04:28 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2018 04:16 Rels wrote:On May 29 2018 04:13 LightningStrike wrote:On May 29 2018 03:49 Rels wrote:On May 29 2018 03:40 LightningStrike wrote:On May 29 2018 03:24 Rels wrote:On May 28 2018 08:42 LightningStrike wrote:
Just got home and saw rayn died. PM'd the mods to post the day post when I noticed they were late on mobile (hate posting on mobile) >.< I probably wont lynch GB today just iwsh HF was here to talk to me to see where he's at with Koshi after Koshi posted some more in the night phase >.< Why do you feel the need to talk about you PMing the mods ? That's twice now. I actually did pm them because they didn't post the day post until after I pm'd -.- Out of all the things in that post you worried more about that part??????? I just find it weird that's all. I don't know if it's AI. On May 29 2018 03:40 LightningStrike wrote:On May 29 2018 03:30 Rels wrote:On May 28 2018 09:07 LightningStrike wrote:On May 28 2018 09:02 GlowingBear wrote:On May 28 2018 08:58 LightningStrike wrote:On May 28 2018 08:18 GlowingBear wrote:
Part 1
If I die tonight (something I don't believe in), you guys just have to figure out Koshi's alignment and stick to analyze how the voting pattern happened minutes prior to EoD.
Rels is suspicious for not wanting to vote Jealous but being okay with shennanies in any other player. I know people will say that the same can be said about me. It's partially right. But I was very confuse of who I thought we should lynch at EoD. Rels have being playing pretty straightforward, he doesn't seem insecure. He wanted to lynch darthfoley, yes, but at that time it wasn't unclear what his opinon on the main wagons was. If you're so right someone might be mafia and believes main wagons are going to flip town (or are a coin flip), I believe he should've been more incisive in convincing people to change to his target. Again, this is even stronger evidence if Koshi turns out to be mafia.
LS is playing a very confuse game and I'm never sure of what he believes. But his vote on Koshi was really bad. When I questioned it, he gave a very bad reason to vote Koshi. If he was sheeping someone, he should've just said it. Instead he came with a bad argument, following thread sentiment, voting the counter-wagon. If you believe Koshi might be town (like me), then this even stronger evidence. I'm lynching LS tomorrow like the hell out of me.
I don't know what to make of Holyflare and Rayn. I have arguments for both alignments regarding then. For know, I believe they could be town, and I'll be sticking to it. If LS flips mafia I'd be very suspicious of HF. Also, his hammer on Jealous is suspicious. Because he never wanted to vote Jealous in the first place and he didn't really hammer Jealous. He was already set to be the lynch when I unvoted him, and I knew it when I unvoted. HF Making it sound he is town for hammering Jealous is actually really bad for Holyflare, not the opposite. You should have this in mind. I will be honest I always been a bit of a confused game type of person even from the start of my mafia career which I think you forgot. I actually did believe my reasons for voting Koshi and Koshi himself addmited in this post about why he didn't come back to the thread until the night phase: On May 27 2018 18:41 Koshi wrote:
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True Story. I was at the Brussel Jazz Marathon and couldnt be bebothered.
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Rels is still mafia so I didnt break my promise. There was true validity to my reasoning. Although night kill says Koshi might be town now but I know my alignment as town and no I not the doctor. LS, I'll admit the confusing part. But that is never a reason to scumread someone. Why Koshi not playing indicates he is mafia? Where is the scum motivation behind it? Why can't town!Koshi do that? I thought town Koshi at the time would actually push for his target like he did the last game I did with him here: https://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/mafia/529240-a-simple-game-of-mafia?user=KoshiBut I don't think he's a big enough idiot to kill rayn over HF i nthis scenerio with rayn pushign for his lynch as it would put himself to much in the spot light. That makes no sense. You townreading Koshi for that kill is the proof that it doesn't work that way. NK analysis CAN be useful sometimes, but not when applied this simply. Not just the night kill but some of his posts in the night phase made me doubt my scumread on him and the night kill as well. Just my interpenetration of it. In the bolded, and several other posts, you only talk about the NK. What other posts changed your mind ? On May 27 2018 18:42 Koshi wrote:On May 27 2018 07:02 GlowingBear wrote:
I really dislike how this wagon on Koshi was formed.
HF is attacking rayn throughout the entire game
Never votes rayn.
Rayn posts an "outdated" read on Koshi (come on, everybody read those posts and it was also object for discussion)
HF, without reevaluating Rayn, decides he is right and votes for Koshi
Then people pile up for absolute no reason. Fuba decided OH THAT WAS A GOOD CASE, LS brings a very flimsy reason to vote Koshi which I heavily dislike (and makes me lean scum on him).
This wagon doesn't sound right at all.
Dont forget df and Rels also made a +1 post. I like you gb. I like you. On May 27 2018 18:49 Koshi wrote:On May 27 2018 08:06 Calix wrote:Night 1
Jealous was lynched. He was a Vanilla.
It is now Night 1, which lasts 24 hours.
Night 1 ends on Sunday, May 27 10:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00) which is in .
Please submit night actions to both hosts at least 10 minutes before deadline. This must be a joke. On May 27 2018 18:49 Koshi wrote:
How the fuck did mafia fail to lynch me ? I might be reading to much into it but his reaction when he noticed that jealous was lynched instead of him that he seemed genuinely surprised. The first does show a bit more effort trying to get other people to notice stuff to. I disagree completely. I think his reaction was way below what he would do as town. And it's not true he was surprised at not being lynched, since he was posting, so he knew he wasn't dead. To each of their own I guess. Show nested quote +On May 29 2018 04:22 Rels wrote:On May 29 2018 04:15 LightningStrike wrote:On May 29 2018 04:12 Rels wrote:On May 29 2018 04:09 LightningStrike wrote:On May 29 2018 03:47 Rels wrote:On May 29 2018 01:03 LightningStrike wrote:
Like I think it was a huge mistake for scum to even let that lynch happen with 3 votes only. They could of saved their scummate easily either on you or df Koshi. well why do you think scum made a mistake then ? Couldn't they have been AFK instead ? Because I doubt they wouldn't just go afk at deadline or close to deadline. Unless they were trying to be cocky for some reason. So basically, you think the 2 scums left are people who were not AFK at deadline, and who didn't vote Jealous ? So basically, they're in GB / fuba / I ? Maybe 1 afk at most. I doubt both of them would be afk. They might be in the other wagons potentially. mm. Statistically, maybe. But over such a low number of players, it's a gamble to use statistics to decide if the scums are AFK. True but my guts thinks otherwise.
fair enough.
Who do you think is scum then ?
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