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Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
May 28 2018 10:48 GMT
#781
Darthfoley I need to look at I guess.
Rels tumbled down on my list.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
May 28 2018 10:50 GMT
#782
Yeah.. what can I say. I am undecided on df atm.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
May 28 2018 10:52 GMT
#783
On May 25 2018 22:11 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2018 20:21 Rels wrote:
On May 25 2018 20:16 fuba wrote:
On May 25 2018 20:06 Rels wrote:
On May 25 2018 12:59 GlowingBear wrote:
Less euphoric now, reading more carefully.

+ Show Spoiler +
On May 25 2018 12:37 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2018 11:40 LightningStrike wrote:
On May 25 2018 11:39 GlowingBear wrote:
But LS, you said our fight looked forced.
How did your read from "forced" to "natural" happened?

It looked forced at first but his read from scumreading you to townreading you was natural though given the posts after that.


I'm okay with you being town.


I'm no longer okay with you being town.
First I thought "LS has no reason to fake feeling our 'fight' is a bit forced and then flipping his position an calling both of us town", but then I thought "why is he calling me town for a post right after rayn said I was town for the same post?", felt like parroting. I don't know, I have to give this more thought.

LS, you've played with me as scum, didn't you? People never get me as scum day'1 because I am always a heavy poster. I don't know why you think I would be lazy as mafia. Plus "a fuzzy memory" doesn't look like a strong ground to call someone town.

@Rayn: Why am I town for that post? I called it a "shitpost" but you said you really mean it word by word. Is that true?

On May 25 2018 11:19 Grackaroni wrote:
I have no opinion on this fight whatsoever.


We can start voting you then, because it's impossible to not have even a weak opinion on my interaction with rayn.

##Unvote
##Vote: Grackaroni


Why are you talking about LS being scum in 99% of your post, then voting another dude ?

What are your thoughts on his LS reasoning?

not bad, it's true that LS changed his read after rayn did it, then justified it with "fuzzy meta".

##Vote Rels
Rels openings are legendary bad but this cant go unpunished.

GB or Rels. Can you explain again what happened here with LS and why you think that makes him mafia?
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
May 28 2018 10:55 GMT
#784
On May 27 2018 18:47 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2018 07:12 Grackaroni wrote:
I think you're pretty heavily mafia siding Holyflare.

I think I gave a more defensible argument for voting Jealous than either Lightningstrike or Fuba gave for voting Koshi. And my list was pretty clearly superior to DF's in terms of reasoning even though there wasn't any scum reads at the bottom of it.

Can somebody give me his opinion on this post. I have issues with it but I dont know why. I went back 2 pages because I dont know what this post is.

The things grack says here
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
May 28 2018 10:56 GMT
#785
On May 27 2018 18:42 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2018 07:02 GlowingBear wrote:
I really dislike how this wagon on Koshi was formed.

HF is attacking rayn throughout the entire game
Never votes rayn.
Rayn posts an "outdated" read on Koshi (come on, everybody read those posts and it was also object for discussion)
HF, without reevaluating Rayn, decides he is right and votes for Koshi

Then people pile up for absolute no reason. Fuba decided OH THAT WAS A GOOD CASE, LS brings a very flimsy reason to vote Koshi which I heavily dislike (and makes me lean scum on him).

This wagon doesn't sound right at all.

Dont forget df and Rels also made a +1 post.

I like you gb. I like you.

And gb says here.

Are very similar about LS and fuba.

Not saying both are mafia. But seems like town is collectively frowning at their votes.
I had a good night of sleep.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-05-28 13:39:02
May 28 2018 11:40 GMT
#786

Day 2 Vote Count



darthfoley [2]: GlowingBear, fuba
LightningStrike [0]: GlowingBear

Not Voting [7]: Koshi, Holyflare, byj, Grackaroni, LightningStrike, Rels, darthfoley


darthfoley is currently the lynch.

The deadline is Tuesday, May 29 10:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00) which is in .
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
May 28 2018 12:29 GMT
#787
On May 28 2018 08:18 GlowingBear wrote:
Part 1

If I die tonight (something I don't believe in), you guys just have to figure out Koshi's alignment and stick to analyze how the voting pattern happened minutes prior to EoD.

Rels is suspicious for not wanting to vote Jealous but being okay with shennanies in any other player. I know people will say that the same can be said about me. It's partially right. But I was very confuse of who I thought we should lynch at EoD. Rels have being playing pretty straightforward, he doesn't seem insecure. He wanted to lynch darthfoley, yes, but at that time it wasn't unclear what his opinon on the main wagons was. If you're so right someone might be mafia and believes main wagons are going to flip town (or are a coin flip), I believe he should've been more incisive in convincing people to change to his target. Again, this is even stronger evidence if Koshi turns out to be mafia.

LS is playing a very confuse game and I'm never sure of what he believes. But his vote on Koshi was really bad. When I questioned it, he gave a very bad reason to vote Koshi. If he was sheeping someone, he should've just said it. Instead he came with a bad argument, following thread sentiment, voting the counter-wagon. If you believe Koshi might be town (like me), then this even stronger evidence. I'm lynching LS tomorrow like the hell out of me.

I don't know what to make of Holyflare and Rayn. I have arguments for both alignments regarding then. For know, I believe they could be town, and I'll be sticking to it. If LS flips mafia I'd be very suspicious of HF. Also, his hammer on Jealous is suspicious. Because he never wanted to vote Jealous in the first place and he didn't really hammer Jealous. He was already set to be the lynch when I unvoted him, and I knew it when I unvoted. HF Making it sound he is town for hammering Jealous is actually really bad for Holyflare, not the opposite. You should have this in mind.


Indeed, he just kept asking over and over about lynching me, but he never really took any initiative like I would expect town!Rels to do. Rels can be stubborn when he's town, but last lynch phase he seemed passive when it was dicey and could've gone multiple ways.
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
byj
Profile Joined November 2015
514 Posts
May 28 2018 13:23 GMT
#788
On May 28 2018 20:40 Calix wrote:

Day 2 Vote Count



darthfoley [2]: GlowingBear, fuba
LightningStrike [0]: GlowingBear

Not Voting [7]: Koshi, Holyflare, byj, Grackaroni, LightningStrike, Rels, darthfoley


darthfoley is currently the lynch.

The deadline is Saturday, May 26 10:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00) which is in .

Wrong deadline~
byj
Profile Joined November 2015
514 Posts
May 28 2018 13:24 GMT
#789
I voted Fuba for now, I will be gone for the whole day tomorrow, so if you have any questions, ask them now please.
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
May 28 2018 13:41 GMT
#790
On May 28 2018 08:48 LightningStrike wrote:
Also that rayn kill was odd I thought they would kill HF over Rayn but maybe Rayn was killed because he was more active within the last few hours than HF? Just WIFOM most likely.


rayn was killed because he was obviously town and helped lead a lynch on scum

it wasn't odd at all. if I were doc I would've saved him last night
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
May 28 2018 13:46 GMT
#791
On May 28 2018 10:37 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2018 08:37 GlowingBear wrote:
Part 3 (conclusion)

Again, knowing Koshi's alignment is crucial to understand day1. If he is the doctor he should heal tonight and claim tomorrow.
Regardless of my reads:

Shouldn't be lynched tomorrow:
- Holyflare (important asset)
- Rayn (important asset, can be town)
- Grackaroni (most likely town, uninformative lynch)
Again, this is regardless of my reads. I strongly advise against lynching Koshi, as I think he is town.

SHOULD be lynched tomorrow (in order of my preference):

1) LS (forgettable and confusing play, voting the mafia counterwagon using a very bad reason while following thread sentiment)
2) fuba (forgettable gameplay, no strong reads, voted the mafia counterwagon)
3) byj (forgettable play)
4) Rels (could be mafia due to vote pattern)
5) darthfoley (if Rels flips mafia)


Giving more thoughts to the votecount, as rayn already said, it heavily suggests mafia was afk at EoD.
fuba was active and could've hammered me. So was Rels and he could've voted Koshi.

Jealous was AFK, so he wouldn't be able to place a vote on counterwagons.
fuba was here and could've unvoted Koshi to vote darthfoley with me and Rels, thus saving darthfoley UNLESS darthfoley was mafia with him.

Rels could give any reason to vote koshi. I don't remember him townreading Koshi so it would be an okay play. He even agreed with Rayn's post.

Darthfoley was afk. He was one of the few that could've saved Jealous without looking bad.
I'm lynching between Darthfoley and LS. But i think Darthfoley will be more informative.

##Unvote
##Vote: darthfoley


Your whole scenario doesn't matter if Koshi is mafia
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
May 28 2018 13:48 GMT
#792
I need to look at EoD and figure out what was going on.

Agreed that mafia dying with 3(?) votes on them suggests inept or afk mafia
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
May 28 2018 13:50 GMT
#793
Just woke up:
On May 28 2018 19:26 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2018 08:51 LightningStrike wrote:
On May 28 2018 08:50 GlowingBear wrote:
On May 28 2018 08:49 GlowingBear wrote:
On May 28 2018 08:48 LightningStrike wrote:
Also that rayn kill was odd I thought they would kill HF over Rayn but maybe Rayn was killed because he was more active within the last few hours than HF? Just WIFOM most likely.


Rayn was killed because HF is either mafia or very wrong.


Or Koshi is mafia and killed rayn because he was the only almost universally townread guy still going against him.
Unlikely.

That would be a dumb thing to do for Koshi because why put all the attention on you after your scum mate got lynched Day 1? It's a stupid play for Koshi as mafia to kill Rayn in all scenarios.

This is really not true.

And somewhat weird you are not more tunneled on me because you are scumreading me hard enough to want to murder me.

I would expect the opposite conclusion from somebody who scumreads me.

During the night phase when you started posting again I started question my own scumread on you hence why I tried to talk to HF and Rayn about you more but then the night kill made me get completely untunneled because I don't think you would put all the attention on yourself as scum by night killing rayn.
On May 28 2018 19:30 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2018 06:36 LightningStrike wrote:
On May 27 2018 06:34 Grackaroni wrote:
On May 27 2018 06:27 LightningStrike wrote:
Well I can start the wagon then.
##Vote: Koshi
I think he got a higher chance to flip scum than Grack.

Why Koshi instead of Jealous?

Don't you usually dislike voting off good players early?

I don't really think Jealous is scum just maybe a bit misunderstood? Also remember my last game I lynched Oats Day 1?

Can you explain this post better?

Why is Jealous town?
What about Jealous was misunderstood in the thread?
And what has this to do with you and Oats last game?

I didn't have him town was more of a null just I thought at the time that people couldn't understand his pictures mainly rayn. Also the Oats and me thing from last game was a answer to Grack about lynching high profile players as he asked if I don't usually lynch good players Day 1.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
May 28 2018 13:51 GMT
#794
On May 28 2018 22:41 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2018 08:48 LightningStrike wrote:
Also that rayn kill was odd I thought they would kill HF over Rayn but maybe Rayn was killed because he was more active within the last few hours than HF? Just WIFOM most likely.


rayn was killed because he was obviously town and helped lead a lynch on scum

it wasn't odd at all. if I were doc I would've saved him last night

Not on Night 1 because doctor is only 1 shot. Most likely will be used Night 2 or Night 3 at least how I would think they would do it.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
May 28 2018 14:01 GMT
#795
I looked through fuba's filter... and it felt okay.

I think Jealous's wagon is pure (rayn/grack/hf) probably. HF could have hammered me with rels/GB and bullshitted some reason to justify it. Grack's reaction to the lynch seemed townie enough.

Koshi wagon, i'm not sure. Really depends on Koshi's alignment here. I think there are two scum between Koshi/Rels/byj/GB/LS.

I need to reread some shit later today, but GB's switch off Jealous and onto me makes me worry. He, like Rels, were interested in anything but Jealous/Koshi EoD. Tried fuba, and me. If HF had actually switched like he said, I would've been lynched with 3 votes (Rels/HF/GB)
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
May 28 2018 15:48 GMT
#796
On May 28 2018 22:50 LightningStrike wrote:
Just woke up:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2018 19:26 Koshi wrote:
On May 28 2018 08:51 LightningStrike wrote:
On May 28 2018 08:50 GlowingBear wrote:
On May 28 2018 08:49 GlowingBear wrote:
On May 28 2018 08:48 LightningStrike wrote:
Also that rayn kill was odd I thought they would kill HF over Rayn but maybe Rayn was killed because he was more active within the last few hours than HF? Just WIFOM most likely.


Rayn was killed because HF is either mafia or very wrong.


Or Koshi is mafia and killed rayn because he was the only almost universally townread guy still going against him.
Unlikely.

That would be a dumb thing to do for Koshi because why put all the attention on you after your scum mate got lynched Day 1? It's a stupid play for Koshi as mafia to kill Rayn in all scenarios.

This is really not true.

And somewhat weird you are not more tunneled on me because you are scumreading me hard enough to want to murder me.

I would expect the opposite conclusion from somebody who scumreads me.

During the night phase when you started posting again I started question my own scumread on you hence why I tried to talk to HF and Rayn about you more but then the night kill made me get completely untunneled because I don't think you would put all the attention on yourself as scum by night killing rayn.
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2018 19:30 Koshi wrote:
On May 27 2018 06:36 LightningStrike wrote:
On May 27 2018 06:34 Grackaroni wrote:
On May 27 2018 06:27 LightningStrike wrote:
Well I can start the wagon then.
##Vote: Koshi
I think he got a higher chance to flip scum than Grack.

Why Koshi instead of Jealous?

Don't you usually dislike voting off good players early?

I don't really think Jealous is scum just maybe a bit misunderstood? Also remember my last game I lynched Oats Day 1?

Can you explain this post better?

Why is Jealous town?
What about Jealous was misunderstood in the thread?
And what has this to do with you and Oats last game?

I didn't have him town was more of a null just I thought at the time that people couldn't understand his pictures mainly rayn. Also the Oats and me thing from last game was a answer to Grack about lynching high profile players as he asked if I don't usually lynch good players Day 1.

Maybe maybe. I bolded something in the nested quote and I really dont like you ended that sentence with a question mark.

But maybe I am nitpicking.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
May 28 2018 15:50 GMT
#797
I wonder why people scumread gb so much. He looks like an active townie that might be wrong on things. But what the fuck is he doing that is mafia?

Even wrote a million words during EoN1.... dafuq people.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
May 28 2018 15:52 GMT
#798
On May 28 2018 22:46 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2018 10:37 GlowingBear wrote:
On May 28 2018 08:37 GlowingBear wrote:
Part 3 (conclusion)

Again, knowing Koshi's alignment is crucial to understand day1. If he is the doctor he should heal tonight and claim tomorrow.
Regardless of my reads:

Shouldn't be lynched tomorrow:
- Holyflare (important asset)
- Rayn (important asset, can be town)
- Grackaroni (most likely town, uninformative lynch)
Again, this is regardless of my reads. I strongly advise against lynching Koshi, as I think he is town.

SHOULD be lynched tomorrow (in order of my preference):

1) LS (forgettable and confusing play, voting the mafia counterwagon using a very bad reason while following thread sentiment)
2) fuba (forgettable gameplay, no strong reads, voted the mafia counterwagon)
3) byj (forgettable play)
4) Rels (could be mafia due to vote pattern)
5) darthfoley (if Rels flips mafia)


Giving more thoughts to the votecount, as rayn already said, it heavily suggests mafia was afk at EoD.
fuba was active and could've hammered me. So was Rels and he could've voted Koshi.

Jealous was AFK, so he wouldn't be able to place a vote on counterwagons.
fuba was here and could've unvoted Koshi to vote darthfoley with me and Rels, thus saving darthfoley UNLESS darthfoley was mafia with him.

Rels could give any reason to vote koshi. I don't remember him townreading Koshi so it would be an okay play. He even agreed with Rayn's post.

Darthfoley was afk. He was one of the few that could've saved Jealous without looking bad.
I'm lynching between Darthfoley and LS. But i think Darthfoley will be more informative.

##Unvote
##Vote: darthfoley


Your whole scenario doesn't matter if Koshi is mafia

What if I am not mafia? Is it completely valid then? Because that means I can stop playing and you claimed mafia to me.
I had a good night of sleep.
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
May 28 2018 15:53 GMT
#799
On May 29 2018 00:52 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2018 22:46 darthfoley wrote:
On May 28 2018 10:37 GlowingBear wrote:
On May 28 2018 08:37 GlowingBear wrote:
Part 3 (conclusion)

Again, knowing Koshi's alignment is crucial to understand day1. If he is the doctor he should heal tonight and claim tomorrow.
Regardless of my reads:

Shouldn't be lynched tomorrow:
- Holyflare (important asset)
- Rayn (important asset, can be town)
- Grackaroni (most likely town, uninformative lynch)
Again, this is regardless of my reads. I strongly advise against lynching Koshi, as I think he is town.

SHOULD be lynched tomorrow (in order of my preference):

1) LS (forgettable and confusing play, voting the mafia counterwagon using a very bad reason while following thread sentiment)
2) fuba (forgettable gameplay, no strong reads, voted the mafia counterwagon)
3) byj (forgettable play)
4) Rels (could be mafia due to vote pattern)
5) darthfoley (if Rels flips mafia)


Giving more thoughts to the votecount, as rayn already said, it heavily suggests mafia was afk at EoD.
fuba was active and could've hammered me. So was Rels and he could've voted Koshi.

Jealous was AFK, so he wouldn't be able to place a vote on counterwagons.
fuba was here and could've unvoted Koshi to vote darthfoley with me and Rels, thus saving darthfoley UNLESS darthfoley was mafia with him.

Rels could give any reason to vote koshi. I don't remember him townreading Koshi so it would be an okay play. He even agreed with Rayn's post.

Darthfoley was afk. He was one of the few that could've saved Jealous without looking bad.
I'm lynching between Darthfoley and LS. But i think Darthfoley will be more informative.

##Unvote
##Vote: darthfoley


Your whole scenario doesn't matter if Koshi is mafia

What if I am not mafia? Is it completely valid then? Because that means I can stop playing and you claimed mafia to me.


exactly right. See you next cycle then!
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
May 28 2018 15:56 GMT
#800
I am not really kidding. I am town. Your defense on a good point against you is "Koshi might be mafia".

But I am not. So how do you defend in that situation? Dont you agree it is odd that Jealous was lyncjed with 3 votes when there are so many active people.

Meh.

Mafia busses anyway and there are no blues but still.
I had a good night of sleep.
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