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Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
May 28 2018 15:57 GMT
#801
Anyway. I am not too bothered.

I am still somewhat stuck on fuba and ls atm. Maybe Rels was disregarded too soon. I guess it is better to not vote me and lose jealous over showing face. Meh
I had a good night of sleep.
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
May 28 2018 16:00 GMT
#802
On May 29 2018 00:48 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2018 22:50 LightningStrike wrote:
Just woke up:
On May 28 2018 19:26 Koshi wrote:
On May 28 2018 08:51 LightningStrike wrote:
On May 28 2018 08:50 GlowingBear wrote:
On May 28 2018 08:49 GlowingBear wrote:
On May 28 2018 08:48 LightningStrike wrote:
Also that rayn kill was odd I thought they would kill HF over Rayn but maybe Rayn was killed because he was more active within the last few hours than HF? Just WIFOM most likely.


Rayn was killed because HF is either mafia or very wrong.


Or Koshi is mafia and killed rayn because he was the only almost universally townread guy still going against him.
Unlikely.

That would be a dumb thing to do for Koshi because why put all the attention on you after your scum mate got lynched Day 1? It's a stupid play for Koshi as mafia to kill Rayn in all scenarios.

This is really not true.

And somewhat weird you are not more tunneled on me because you are scumreading me hard enough to want to murder me.

I would expect the opposite conclusion from somebody who scumreads me.

During the night phase when you started posting again I started question my own scumread on you hence why I tried to talk to HF and Rayn about you more but then the night kill made me get completely untunneled because I don't think you would put all the attention on yourself as scum by night killing rayn.
On May 28 2018 19:30 Koshi wrote:
On May 27 2018 06:36 LightningStrike wrote:
On May 27 2018 06:34 Grackaroni wrote:
On May 27 2018 06:27 LightningStrike wrote:
Well I can start the wagon then.
##Vote: Koshi
I think he got a higher chance to flip scum than Grack.

Why Koshi instead of Jealous?

Don't you usually dislike voting off good players early?

I don't really think Jealous is scum just maybe a bit misunderstood? Also remember my last game I lynched Oats Day 1?

Can you explain this post better?

Why is Jealous town?
What about Jealous was misunderstood in the thread?
And what has this to do with you and Oats last game?

I didn't have him town was more of a null just I thought at the time that people couldn't understand his pictures mainly rayn. Also the Oats and me thing from last game was a answer to Grack about lynching high profile players as he asked if I don't usually lynch good players Day 1.

Maybe maybe. I bolded something in the nested quote and I really dont like you ended that sentence with a question mark.

But maybe I am nitpicking.

I answered the bolded? You just being a bit nitpicking about that. But if you must kjnow why that ended with a question mark it was because I still didn't know if people just couldn't understand his pictures or not or if it was a completely different reason why they were scumreading him.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
May 28 2018 16:01 GMT
#803
On May 29 2018 00:56 Koshi wrote:
I am not really kidding. I am town. Your defense on a good point against you is "Koshi might be mafia".

But I am not. So how do you defend in that situation? Dont you agree it is odd that Jealous was lyncjed with 3 votes when there are so many active people.

Meh.

Mafia busses anyway and there are no blues but still.

We have a blue just a 1 shot blue so meh. Sacing 1 teammate Day 1 in that scenario is dumb unless we happen to have at least 2 wagons on scum within that but still it just a odd thing happened EoD1.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
May 28 2018 16:03 GMT
#804
Like I think it was a huge mistake for scum to even let that lynch happen with 3 votes only. They could of saved their scummate easily either on you or df Koshi.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 28 2018 16:16 GMT
#805
Who are we lynching and why isn't it gb?
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
May 28 2018 16:33 GMT
#806
On May 29 2018 00:56 Koshi wrote:
I am not really kidding. I am town. Your defense on a good point against you is "Koshi might be mafia".

But I am not. So how do you defend in that situation? Dont you agree it is odd that Jealous was lyncjed with 3 votes when there are so many active people.

Meh.

Mafia busses anyway and there are no blues but still.


I just agreed like 4 posts ago that the fact that mafia is killed with 3 votes means mafia sucks balls or they were afk
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
May 28 2018 16:34 GMT
#807
I was afk, but I don't suck balls

That is my defense
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
May 28 2018 16:56 GMT
#808
I think the next lynch should be byj. I think the way that he responds to HF pushing on GB for moving his vote is suspicious since he later cites GB moving his vote as a reason for townreading GB.
On May 28 2018 02:13 byj wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2018 01:53 Holyflare wrote:
On May 28 2018 01:03 byj wrote:
On May 27 2018 11:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Mr Byj is gonna get all this good stuff from this.
I am waiting for the things he has to say about this game trn.
go.

Well now I know who I can trust
My read now:
Town:
raynpelikoneet, Grackaroni, Holyflare, GB, me for obvious reasons.

LS:
Him trying to lead off/ defend Jealous seems suspicious to me, but I don't think Mafia would take such a gamble
Fuba:
On May 27 2018 07:38 fuba wrote:
I'm not overly opposed to the jealous lynch, but rayn sitting on it instead of voting a legit scumread makes me nervous.

and him voting on Koshi makes me suspicious. I assume either LS or him is Scum, leaning towards Fuba
Koshi:
Doesn't exactly seem the most innocent to me, but I don't trust the lynch on him, so going with Town for now
darth:
barely talked, no clue
Rels:
On May 27 2018 07:56 Rels wrote:
On May 27 2018 07:55 GlowingBear wrote:
On May 27 2018 07:55 Rels wrote:
On May 27 2018 07:54 GlowingBear wrote:
Shenannies on fuba

I could do that


NOW

if we have a third, why not. Would prefer DF though

Makes me think that he might be in cahoots with fuba

So if I had to take a guess I'd be Rels + Fuba who are our remaining Scum


Why is GB "Town for obvious reasons"?

Show nested quote +
On May 27 2018 06:58 GlowingBear wrote:
I'll stay on Jealous. Can get behind a fuba lynch too.

I'll be back a few minutes prior to EoD

Tho looking back at it is weird how he ended up going off his lynch so easily ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


On May 28 2018 09:04 byj wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2018 08:56 GlowingBear wrote:
Please, I would like to talk about my night posts. What are your thoughts on them?

You didn't really say anything noteworthy at night did you. What I judged you on were your pre-night actions. I don't think Scummie would've tried to lynch like that, even if they had gotten it, they would most likely be one of the most suspected people next day.
Why are you so worried over me trusting you? Want to admit something?

I also don't like that he describes Koshi as not the most innocent seeming when Koshi had the same scum reads as him (Rels/Fuba). I'd be interested in his reason why Koshi seems scummy.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
May 28 2018 17:05 GMT
#809
^
In the first quote in response to Holyflare it looks like he is trying to spread suspicion towards GB and in the second quote in response to GB he says that GB moving his vote makes GB unlikely to be mafia.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 28 2018 17:22 GMT
#810
On May 29 2018 02:05 Grackaroni wrote:
^
In the first quote in response to Holyflare it looks like he is trying to spread suspicion towards GB and in the second quote in response to GB he says that GB moving his vote makes GB unlikely to be mafia.


I like it
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
May 28 2018 17:58 GMT
#811
On May 27 2018 18:24 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2018 01:33 Rels wrote:
On May 27 2018 00:13 darthfoley wrote:
So my girlfriend surprise visited me yesterday so I'm gonna be busy this weekend plus I don't really give a shit about this game so fair warning.

I've finally read up

Townie:
Rels
Jealous
GB

GB has been very active and feels like he wants the game to progress. Rels has a townie vibe and shit. I enjoy Jealous's pictures and they aren't hard to read.

Scummy
Rayn
LS
grack

Rayn has been scummy because I don't like his line of attack on jealous at all. HF explained why it's dumb. LS and Grace have been active enough but I think they've kind of just been existing. I also didn't agree with Grack about how those were the towniest town posts Koshi has ever written. They looked like pretty normal Koshi random 100% declarations "this person is toppers of the tip top toppity top town"

Everyone else hasn't been memorable or is null

This is such a scummy post. It's just a lazy list with one-line reasonning on a few reads. It's exactly what I would expect scum with no time or motivation to post.

You are mafia.
- No vote
- No interaction with thread about this post.

Except my whole EOD has been talking about this post ...

You're in a unique position if you're town. From your POV, a lot of people are very likely town. All the people voting Jealous for starter. GB probably too, if I remember right, 'cause even though he switched at the very end, I think he was the one that consolidated the wagon. And DF too, 'cause if I remember right, he had a reason to switch to you when the vote was close, and didn't. I'll have to check if his vote would have changed the lynch at that point, but if yes, I don't think DF can be scum if you're not.

If you're scum, the game is a lot more open, a lot of people can be your partner. Basically everyone apart from the early votes on you and Jealous.

But from your POV, the game should be easy. So if you're town, please show it like you usually do.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
May 28 2018 18:03 GMT
#812
On May 27 2018 23:46 fuba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2018 19:05 Koshi wrote:
Mufasa was voting me. Sad days.

Yeah, sorry g even after I didn't want to vote you I had nowhere else to go 😢

Why didn't you switch to anyone else ? Can you describe what you thought about the other options at the time ? Cause I think you had a post saying "meh Koshi is kinda townie actually" towards EOD, but you didn't switch to Jealous, DF or whoever GB wanted to switch to ... OK that was you I think p:
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
May 28 2018 18:07 GMT
#813
On May 28 2018 01:03 byj wrote:
LS:
Him trying to lead off/ defend Jealous seems suspicious to me, but I don't think Mafia would take such a gamble

What did he do that you think was too ballsy for scum ?
On May 28 2018 01:03 byj wrote:
Koshi:
Doesn't exactly seem the most innocent to me, but I don't trust the lynch on him, so going with Town for now

I don't understand. "he's scummy, but the votes point at him being town" => is that what you're saying ?
On May 28 2018 01:03 byj wrote:
Rels:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2018 07:56 Rels wrote:
On May 27 2018 07:55 GlowingBear wrote:
On May 27 2018 07:55 Rels wrote:
On May 27 2018 07:54 GlowingBear wrote:
Shenannies on fuba

I could do that


NOW

if we have a third, why not. Would prefer DF though

Makes me think that he might be in cahoots with fuba

So my alignment is entirely depending on fuba's ?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
May 28 2018 18:12 GMT
#814
On May 28 2018 02:23 Grackaroni wrote:
I dislike that Rels refers to the Jealous lynch as just a coin flip when his assumption was that the scum team would be a team of lurkers.

Show nested quote +
On May 27 2018 07:17 Rels wrote:
Jealous is a coinflip. I would vote Koshi over him. But I would really prefer to just lynch DF? I don't understand why nobody is voting him except me when everybody agreed he is scummy

Show nested quote +
On May 27 2018 07:54 Rels wrote:
I don't think GB is scum. I hate this EOD though. Team is probably something like DF / dyl / fuba, and just letting the lynch happen


even if Jealous was AFK, I would have expected his partners to distract the lynch if he was scum. The push against Jealous was a policy wagon, it didn't seem strong. That EOD with small wagons and low activity was very weird. You don't see what I'm talking about ?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
May 28 2018 18:12 GMT
#815
On May 28 2018 02:28 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2018 02:27 byj wrote:
Who is dyl btw

I think he meant you

yeah sorry p:
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
May 28 2018 18:13 GMT
#816
On May 28 2018 06:34 byj wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2018 05:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Didnt like byj disppearing after rels had a question to him.

All he "questioned" was how much I read the rules

Still waiting for an answer on the follow-up:
On May 27 2018 04:00 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2018 03:55 byj wrote:
On May 27 2018 03:33 Rels wrote:
byj did you read the OP before starting to play ?

Yes. What do you mean?

Why did you ask these questions in your entry post if you read the OP ? The answers are in it. And the OP also specifies that we can't no-lynch.
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2018 22:58 byj wrote:
Hiya! So am I right to assume we all have no night actions and have to find Mafia through talking/ voting patterns? I voted No Lynch in case I forget, but I don't trust any of you enough to follow on a lynch~


Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
May 28 2018 18:15 GMT
#817
On May 28 2018 07:59 GlowingBear wrote:
Koshi's alignment is key to understand this votecount. Everyone needs to take a stance on whether he is mafia or town to proceed with the game. If Koshi is mafia, Rels might be mafia. If Koshi is town, then his wagon contains at least one mafia.

this. Minus the "Rels might be mafia" part p:
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
May 28 2018 18:22 GMT
#818
On May 28 2018 08:18 GlowingBear wrote:
Rels is suspicious for not wanting to vote Jealous but being okay with shennanies in any other player. I know people will say that the same can be said about me. It's partially right. But I was very confuse of who I thought we should lynch at EoD. Rels have being playing pretty straightforward, he doesn't seem insecure. He wanted to lynch darthfoley, yes, but at that time it wasn't unclear what his opinon on the main wagons was. If you're so right someone might be mafia and believes main wagons are going to flip town (or are a coin flip), I believe he should've been more incisive in convincing people to change to his target. Again, this is even stronger evidence if Koshi turns out to be mafia.

First, I'm rarely confident D1 (and when I am I'm wrong p: ). I hate playing it.
Second, I was ready to switch on Koshi if it came down to it. And I almost had my lynch, if HF didn't play weird mindgames.

On May 28 2018 08:18 GlowingBear wrote:
I don't know what to make of Holyflare and Rayn. I have arguments for both alignments regarding then. For know, I believe they could be town, and I'll be sticking to it. If LS flips mafia I'd be very suspicious of HF. Also, his hammer on Jealous is suspicious. Because he never wanted to vote Jealous in the first place and he didn't really hammer Jealous. He was already set to be the lynch when I unvoted him, and I knew it when I unvoted. HF Making it sound he is town for hammering Jealous is actually really bad for Holyflare, not the opposite. You should have this in mind.

I disagree, unless you think the team is exactly DF / HF. He had the perfect excuse to lynch DF over Jealous. Mechanically speaking what he did made no sense if he's scum.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
May 28 2018 18:24 GMT
#819
On May 28 2018 08:42 LightningStrike wrote:
Just got home and saw rayn died. PM'd the mods to post the day post when I noticed they were late on mobile (hate posting on mobile) >.< I probably wont lynch GB today just iwsh HF was here to talk to me to see where he's at with Koshi after Koshi posted some more in the night phase >.<

Why do you feel the need to talk about you PMing the mods ? That's twice now.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
May 28 2018 18:30 GMT
#820
On May 28 2018 09:07 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2018 09:02 GlowingBear wrote:
On May 28 2018 08:58 LightningStrike wrote:
On May 28 2018 08:18 GlowingBear wrote:
Part 1

If I die tonight (something I don't believe in), you guys just have to figure out Koshi's alignment and stick to analyze how the voting pattern happened minutes prior to EoD.

Rels is suspicious for not wanting to vote Jealous but being okay with shennanies in any other player. I know people will say that the same can be said about me. It's partially right. But I was very confuse of who I thought we should lynch at EoD. Rels have being playing pretty straightforward, he doesn't seem insecure. He wanted to lynch darthfoley, yes, but at that time it wasn't unclear what his opinon on the main wagons was. If you're so right someone might be mafia and believes main wagons are going to flip town (or are a coin flip), I believe he should've been more incisive in convincing people to change to his target. Again, this is even stronger evidence if Koshi turns out to be mafia.

LS is playing a very confuse game and I'm never sure of what he believes. But his vote on Koshi was really bad. When I questioned it, he gave a very bad reason to vote Koshi. If he was sheeping someone, he should've just said it. Instead he came with a bad argument, following thread sentiment, voting the counter-wagon. If you believe Koshi might be town (like me), then this even stronger evidence. I'm lynching LS tomorrow like the hell out of me.

I don't know what to make of Holyflare and Rayn. I have arguments for both alignments regarding then. For know, I believe they could be town, and I'll be sticking to it. If LS flips mafia I'd be very suspicious of HF. Also, his hammer on Jealous is suspicious. Because he never wanted to vote Jealous in the first place and he didn't really hammer Jealous. He was already set to be the lynch when I unvoted him, and I knew it when I unvoted. HF Making it sound he is town for hammering Jealous is actually really bad for Holyflare, not the opposite. You should have this in mind.

I will be honest I always been a bit of a confused game type of person even from the start of my mafia career which I think you forgot. I actually did believe my reasons for voting Koshi and Koshi himself addmited in this post about why he didn't come back to the thread until the night phase:
On May 27 2018 18:41 Koshi wrote:
On May 27 2018 06:47 LightningStrike wrote:
On May 27 2018 06:44 GlowingBear wrote:
LS, Koshi didn't even continue playing

He said he would play if he thinks rels starts playing like town which means he didn't.

True Story. I was at the Brussel Jazz Marathon and couldnt be bebothered.

BUT

Rels is still mafia so I didnt break my promise.

There was true validity to my reasoning. Although night kill says Koshi might be town now but I know my alignment as town and no I not the doctor.


LS, I'll admit the confusing part. But that is never a reason to scumread someone.

Why Koshi not playing indicates he is mafia? Where is the scum motivation behind it? Why can't town!Koshi do that?

I thought town Koshi at the time would actually push for his target like he did the last game I did with him here:
https://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/mafia/529240-a-simple-game-of-mafia?user=Koshi
But I don't think he's a big enough idiot to kill rayn over HF i nthis scenerio with rayn pushign for his lynch as it would put himself to much in the spot light.

That makes no sense. You townreading Koshi for that kill is the proof that it doesn't work that way. NK analysis CAN be useful sometimes, but not when applied this simply.
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