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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
May 28 2018 19:40 GMT
#841
On May 29 2018 04:30 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2018 04:28 LightningStrike wrote:
On May 29 2018 04:16 Rels wrote:
On May 29 2018 04:13 LightningStrike wrote:
On May 29 2018 03:49 Rels wrote:
On May 29 2018 03:40 LightningStrike wrote:
On May 29 2018 03:24 Rels wrote:
On May 28 2018 08:42 LightningStrike wrote:
Just got home and saw rayn died. PM'd the mods to post the day post when I noticed they were late on mobile (hate posting on mobile) >.< I probably wont lynch GB today just iwsh HF was here to talk to me to see where he's at with Koshi after Koshi posted some more in the night phase >.<

Why do you feel the need to talk about you PMing the mods ? That's twice now.

I actually did pm them because they didn't post the day post until after I pm'd -.- Out of all the things in that post you worried more about that part???????

I just find it weird that's all. I don't know if it's AI.
On May 29 2018 03:40 LightningStrike wrote:
On May 29 2018 03:30 Rels wrote:
On May 28 2018 09:07 LightningStrike wrote:
On May 28 2018 09:02 GlowingBear wrote:
On May 28 2018 08:58 LightningStrike wrote:
[quote]
I will be honest I always been a bit of a confused game type of person even from the start of my mafia career which I think you forgot. I actually did believe my reasons for voting Koshi and Koshi himself addmited in this post about why he didn't come back to the thread until the night phase:
[quote]
There was true validity to my reasoning. Although night kill says Koshi might be town now but I know my alignment as town and no I not the doctor.


LS, I'll admit the confusing part. But that is never a reason to scumread someone.

Why Koshi not playing indicates he is mafia? Where is the scum motivation behind it? Why can't town!Koshi do that?

I thought town Koshi at the time would actually push for his target like he did the last game I did with him here:
https://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/mafia/529240-a-simple-game-of-mafia?user=Koshi
But I don't think he's a big enough idiot to kill rayn over HF i nthis scenerio with rayn pushign for his lynch as it would put himself to much in the spot light.

That makes no sense. You townreading Koshi for that kill is the proof that it doesn't work that way. NK analysis CAN be useful sometimes, but not when applied this simply.

Not just the night kill but some of his posts in the night phase made me doubt my scumread on him and the night kill as well. Just my interpenetration of it.

In the bolded, and several other posts, you only talk about the NK. What other posts changed your mind ?

On May 27 2018 18:42 Koshi wrote:
On May 27 2018 07:02 GlowingBear wrote:
I really dislike how this wagon on Koshi was formed.

HF is attacking rayn throughout the entire game
Never votes rayn.
Rayn posts an "outdated" read on Koshi (come on, everybody read those posts and it was also object for discussion)
HF, without reevaluating Rayn, decides he is right and votes for Koshi

Then people pile up for absolute no reason. Fuba decided OH THAT WAS A GOOD CASE, LS brings a very flimsy reason to vote Koshi which I heavily dislike (and makes me lean scum on him).

This wagon doesn't sound right at all.

Dont forget df and Rels also made a +1 post.

I like you gb. I like you.

On May 27 2018 18:49 Koshi wrote:
On May 27 2018 08:06 Calix wrote:
Night 1



Jealous was lynched. He was a Vanilla.



It is now Night 1, which lasts 24 hours.

Night 1 ends on Sunday, May 27 10:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00) which is in .

Please submit night actions to both hosts at least 10 minutes before deadline.

This must be a joke.

On May 27 2018 18:49 Koshi wrote:
How the fuck did mafia fail to lynch me ?

I might be reading to much into it but his reaction when he noticed that jealous was lynched instead of him that he seemed genuinely surprised. The first does show a bit more effort trying to get other people to notice stuff to.

I disagree completely. I think his reaction was way below what he would do as town. And it's not true he was surprised at not being lynched, since he was posting, so he knew he wasn't dead.

To each of their own I guess.
On May 29 2018 04:22 Rels wrote:
On May 29 2018 04:15 LightningStrike wrote:
On May 29 2018 04:12 Rels wrote:
On May 29 2018 04:09 LightningStrike wrote:
On May 29 2018 03:47 Rels wrote:
On May 29 2018 01:03 LightningStrike wrote:
Like I think it was a huge mistake for scum to even let that lynch happen with 3 votes only. They could of saved their scummate easily either on you or df Koshi.

well why do you think scum made a mistake then ? Couldn't they have been AFK instead ?

Because I doubt they wouldn't just go afk at deadline or close to deadline. Unless they were trying to be cocky for some reason.

So basically, you think the 2 scums left are people who were not AFK at deadline, and who didn't vote Jealous ? So basically, they're in GB / fuba / I ?

Maybe 1 afk at most. I doubt both of them would be afk. They might be in the other wagons potentially.

mm. Statistically, maybe. But over such a low number of players, it's a gamble to use statistics to decide if the scums are AFK.

True but my guts thinks otherwise.

fair enough.
Who do you think is scum then ?

I'll be honest maybe fuba? His filter was mostly talking about me and nothing much really. Outside of that his filter was meh.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
May 28 2018 19:49 GMT
#842
On May 29 2018 02:58 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2018 18:24 Koshi wrote:
On May 27 2018 01:33 Rels wrote:
On May 27 2018 00:13 darthfoley wrote:
So my girlfriend surprise visited me yesterday so I'm gonna be busy this weekend plus I don't really give a shit about this game so fair warning.

I've finally read up

Townie:
Rels
Jealous
GB

GB has been very active and feels like he wants the game to progress. Rels has a townie vibe and shit. I enjoy Jealous's pictures and they aren't hard to read.

Scummy
Rayn
LS
grack

Rayn has been scummy because I don't like his line of attack on jealous at all. HF explained why it's dumb. LS and Grace have been active enough but I think they've kind of just been existing. I also didn't agree with Grack about how those were the towniest town posts Koshi has ever written. They looked like pretty normal Koshi random 100% declarations "this person is toppers of the tip top toppity top town"

Everyone else hasn't been memorable or is null

This is such a scummy post. It's just a lazy list with one-line reasonning on a few reads. It's exactly what I would expect scum with no time or motivation to post.

You are mafia.
- No vote
- No interaction with thread about this post.

Except my whole EOD has been talking about this post ...

You're in a unique position if you're town. From your POV, a lot of people are very likely town. All the people voting Jealous for starter. GB probably too, if I remember right, 'cause even though he switched at the very end, I think he was the one that consolidated the wagon. And DF too, 'cause if I remember right, he had a reason to switch to you when the vote was close, and didn't. I'll have to check if his vote would have changed the lynch at that point, but if yes, I don't think DF can be scum if you're not.

If you're scum, the game is a lot more open, a lot of people can be your partner. Basically everyone apart from the early votes on you and Jealous.

But from your POV, the game should be easy. So if you're town, please show it like you usually do.

I think I did everything you just described here. On top of playing the game pretty transparant.
My pool is LS, df, fuba, you and the new guy.

I am not sure if DF is not mafia for what you say. But you and DF did tumble somewhat town for activity near EoD.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
May 28 2018 19:50 GMT
#843
On May 29 2018 03:42 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2018 19:50 Koshi wrote:
Yeah.. what can I say. I am undecided on df atm.

Why isn't he almost conf town from your POV ... ? He could have lynched you but didn't.

I don't know if this is true. That's why.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
May 28 2018 19:51 GMT
#844
On May 29 2018 04:11 Rels wrote:
BTW why did you post if you didn't know you weren't lynched ?

If hosts failed to PM me it is on them.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
May 28 2018 19:54 GMT
#845
On May 29 2018 04:07 Holyflare wrote:
Who is koshi pushing? Jealous was up for lynch for quite a while and yet nobody joined onto the koshi wagon other than ls (who I think/thought was town) and fuba (really weak gut read town). Unless both of them are Jealous' partners or his partners are afk then nobody gave a shit about lynching koshi to save their team mate? Koshi never really became any kind of majority when it would be the easiest counter push for mafia to make. This goes the same for df. If LS or Fuba are mafia why did they not switch to df to save jealous? Koshi seems incredibly meek from what I've skimmed and is probably mafia. His alignment is really the key to figuring out this game.

GB's end of day was really bad. I saw him criticising rels for pushing df at end of day but he voted on df too????? There's so many misconstruing arguments in his filter (especially towards me) and so many posts keeping his options open that it's extremely likely that GB is mafia.

I don't think GB is mafia.
The things you write on me are things I can't do anything about or a by product of me playing solely the moments you see me type.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
May 28 2018 19:56 GMT
#846
I"ll vote Mufasa now because his vote was really bad. Maybe it is him and the new guy. Maybe not.
I unvote LS because he is defending me while I am attacking him. As mafia it would be smarter to discredit me.

##vote Mufasa
I had a good night of sleep.
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
May 28 2018 19:56 GMT
#847
On May 29 2018 03:24 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2018 08:42 LightningStrike wrote:
Just got home and saw rayn died. PM'd the mods to post the day post when I noticed they were late on mobile (hate posting on mobile) >.< I probably wont lynch GB today just iwsh HF was here to talk to me to see where he's at with Koshi after Koshi posted some more in the night phase >.<

Why do you feel the need to talk about you PMing the mods ? That's twice now.


I actually think it comes off as too dumb to be a real dumb tell. Seems forced like his fake rage in Millionaire

Time to get the revenge we've been waiting for for three years Rels.
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
May 28 2018 19:57 GMT
#848
On May 29 2018 04:49 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2018 02:58 Rels wrote:
On May 27 2018 18:24 Koshi wrote:
On May 27 2018 01:33 Rels wrote:
On May 27 2018 00:13 darthfoley wrote:
So my girlfriend surprise visited me yesterday so I'm gonna be busy this weekend plus I don't really give a shit about this game so fair warning.

I've finally read up

Townie:
Rels
Jealous
GB

GB has been very active and feels like he wants the game to progress. Rels has a townie vibe and shit. I enjoy Jealous's pictures and they aren't hard to read.

Scummy
Rayn
LS
grack

Rayn has been scummy because I don't like his line of attack on jealous at all. HF explained why it's dumb. LS and Grace have been active enough but I think they've kind of just been existing. I also didn't agree with Grack about how those were the towniest town posts Koshi has ever written. They looked like pretty normal Koshi random 100% declarations "this person is toppers of the tip top toppity top town"

Everyone else hasn't been memorable or is null

This is such a scummy post. It's just a lazy list with one-line reasonning on a few reads. It's exactly what I would expect scum with no time or motivation to post.

You are mafia.
- No vote
- No interaction with thread about this post.

Except my whole EOD has been talking about this post ...

You're in a unique position if you're town. From your POV, a lot of people are very likely town. All the people voting Jealous for starter. GB probably too, if I remember right, 'cause even though he switched at the very end, I think he was the one that consolidated the wagon. And DF too, 'cause if I remember right, he had a reason to switch to you when the vote was close, and didn't. I'll have to check if his vote would have changed the lynch at that point, but if yes, I don't think DF can be scum if you're not.

If you're scum, the game is a lot more open, a lot of people can be your partner. Basically everyone apart from the early votes on you and Jealous.

But from your POV, the game should be easy. So if you're town, please show it like you usually do.

I think I did everything you just described here. On top of playing the game pretty transparant.
My pool is LS, df, fuba, you and the new guy.

I am not sure if DF is not mafia for what you say. But you and DF did tumble somewhat town for activity near EoD.

cool. Can you now convince me you're town and that whoever you're voting for is mafia
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
May 28 2018 19:58 GMT
#849
On May 29 2018 04:56 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2018 03:24 Rels wrote:
On May 28 2018 08:42 LightningStrike wrote:
Just got home and saw rayn died. PM'd the mods to post the day post when I noticed they were late on mobile (hate posting on mobile) >.< I probably wont lynch GB today just iwsh HF was here to talk to me to see where he's at with Koshi after Koshi posted some more in the night phase >.<

Why do you feel the need to talk about you PMing the mods ? That's twice now.


I actually think it comes off as too dumb to be a real dumb tell. Seems forced like his fake rage in Millionaire

Time to get the revenge we've been waiting for for three years Rels.

lol
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
May 28 2018 19:58 GMT
#850
On May 29 2018 04:57 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2018 04:49 Koshi wrote:
On May 29 2018 02:58 Rels wrote:
On May 27 2018 18:24 Koshi wrote:
On May 27 2018 01:33 Rels wrote:
On May 27 2018 00:13 darthfoley wrote:
So my girlfriend surprise visited me yesterday so I'm gonna be busy this weekend plus I don't really give a shit about this game so fair warning.

I've finally read up

Townie:
Rels
Jealous
GB

GB has been very active and feels like he wants the game to progress. Rels has a townie vibe and shit. I enjoy Jealous's pictures and they aren't hard to read.

Scummy
Rayn
LS
grack

Rayn has been scummy because I don't like his line of attack on jealous at all. HF explained why it's dumb. LS and Grace have been active enough but I think they've kind of just been existing. I also didn't agree with Grack about how those were the towniest town posts Koshi has ever written. They looked like pretty normal Koshi random 100% declarations "this person is toppers of the tip top toppity top town"

Everyone else hasn't been memorable or is null

This is such a scummy post. It's just a lazy list with one-line reasonning on a few reads. It's exactly what I would expect scum with no time or motivation to post.

You are mafia.
- No vote
- No interaction with thread about this post.

Except my whole EOD has been talking about this post ...

You're in a unique position if you're town. From your POV, a lot of people are very likely town. All the people voting Jealous for starter. GB probably too, if I remember right, 'cause even though he switched at the very end, I think he was the one that consolidated the wagon. And DF too, 'cause if I remember right, he had a reason to switch to you when the vote was close, and didn't. I'll have to check if his vote would have changed the lynch at that point, but if yes, I don't think DF can be scum if you're not.

If you're scum, the game is a lot more open, a lot of people can be your partner. Basically everyone apart from the early votes on you and Jealous.

But from your POV, the game should be easy. So if you're town, please show it like you usually do.

I think I did everything you just described here. On top of playing the game pretty transparant.
My pool is LS, df, fuba, you and the new guy.

I am not sure if DF is not mafia for what you say. But you and DF did tumble somewhat town for activity near EoD.

cool. Can you now convince me you're town and that whoever you're voting for is mafia

meh. because I don't see clear mafia signs on actives I am voting off people who hide their alignment the most.
I had a good night of sleep.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
May 28 2018 20:00 GMT
#851
On May 29 2018 04:58 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2018 04:57 Rels wrote:
On May 29 2018 04:49 Koshi wrote:
On May 29 2018 02:58 Rels wrote:
On May 27 2018 18:24 Koshi wrote:
On May 27 2018 01:33 Rels wrote:
On May 27 2018 00:13 darthfoley wrote:
So my girlfriend surprise visited me yesterday so I'm gonna be busy this weekend plus I don't really give a shit about this game so fair warning.

I've finally read up

Townie:
Rels
Jealous
GB

GB has been very active and feels like he wants the game to progress. Rels has a townie vibe and shit. I enjoy Jealous's pictures and they aren't hard to read.

Scummy
Rayn
LS
grack

Rayn has been scummy because I don't like his line of attack on jealous at all. HF explained why it's dumb. LS and Grace have been active enough but I think they've kind of just been existing. I also didn't agree with Grack about how those were the towniest town posts Koshi has ever written. They looked like pretty normal Koshi random 100% declarations "this person is toppers of the tip top toppity top town"

Everyone else hasn't been memorable or is null

This is such a scummy post. It's just a lazy list with one-line reasonning on a few reads. It's exactly what I would expect scum with no time or motivation to post.

You are mafia.
- No vote
- No interaction with thread about this post.

Except my whole EOD has been talking about this post ...

You're in a unique position if you're town. From your POV, a lot of people are very likely town. All the people voting Jealous for starter. GB probably too, if I remember right, 'cause even though he switched at the very end, I think he was the one that consolidated the wagon. And DF too, 'cause if I remember right, he had a reason to switch to you when the vote was close, and didn't. I'll have to check if his vote would have changed the lynch at that point, but if yes, I don't think DF can be scum if you're not.

If you're scum, the game is a lot more open, a lot of people can be your partner. Basically everyone apart from the early votes on you and Jealous.

But from your POV, the game should be easy. So if you're town, please show it like you usually do.

I think I did everything you just described here. On top of playing the game pretty transparant.
My pool is LS, df, fuba, you and the new guy.

I am not sure if DF is not mafia for what you say. But you and DF did tumble somewhat town for activity near EoD.

cool. Can you now convince me you're town and that whoever you're voting for is mafia

meh. because I don't see clear mafia signs on actives I am voting off people who hide their alignment the most.

I assume you know fuba well 'cause you know him by another handle ? Am I right thinking that ? Do you play mafia elsewhere, or is it unrelated ?
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
May 28 2018 20:02 GMT
#852
On May 29 2018 05:00 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2018 04:58 Koshi wrote:
On May 29 2018 04:57 Rels wrote:
On May 29 2018 04:49 Koshi wrote:
On May 29 2018 02:58 Rels wrote:
On May 27 2018 18:24 Koshi wrote:
On May 27 2018 01:33 Rels wrote:
On May 27 2018 00:13 darthfoley wrote:
So my girlfriend surprise visited me yesterday so I'm gonna be busy this weekend plus I don't really give a shit about this game so fair warning.

I've finally read up

Townie:
Rels
Jealous
GB

GB has been very active and feels like he wants the game to progress. Rels has a townie vibe and shit. I enjoy Jealous's pictures and they aren't hard to read.

Scummy
Rayn
LS
grack

Rayn has been scummy because I don't like his line of attack on jealous at all. HF explained why it's dumb. LS and Grace have been active enough but I think they've kind of just been existing. I also didn't agree with Grack about how those were the towniest town posts Koshi has ever written. They looked like pretty normal Koshi random 100% declarations "this person is toppers of the tip top toppity top town"

Everyone else hasn't been memorable or is null

This is such a scummy post. It's just a lazy list with one-line reasonning on a few reads. It's exactly what I would expect scum with no time or motivation to post.

You are mafia.
- No vote
- No interaction with thread about this post.

Except my whole EOD has been talking about this post ...

You're in a unique position if you're town. From your POV, a lot of people are very likely town. All the people voting Jealous for starter. GB probably too, if I remember right, 'cause even though he switched at the very end, I think he was the one that consolidated the wagon. And DF too, 'cause if I remember right, he had a reason to switch to you when the vote was close, and didn't. I'll have to check if his vote would have changed the lynch at that point, but if yes, I don't think DF can be scum if you're not.

If you're scum, the game is a lot more open, a lot of people can be your partner. Basically everyone apart from the early votes on you and Jealous.

But from your POV, the game should be easy. So if you're town, please show it like you usually do.

I think I did everything you just described here. On top of playing the game pretty transparant.
My pool is LS, df, fuba, you and the new guy.

I am not sure if DF is not mafia for what you say. But you and DF did tumble somewhat town for activity near EoD.

cool. Can you now convince me you're town and that whoever you're voting for is mafia

meh. because I don't see clear mafia signs on actives I am voting off people who hide their alignment the most.

I assume you know fuba well 'cause you know him by another handle ? Am I right thinking that ? Do you play mafia elsewhere, or is it unrelated ?

Lol no. I know him from here. Long time ago.
He is simply not playing hard and his df read is lazy.
I also don't see any direction in his posts towards solving the game.
I had a good night of sleep.
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
May 28 2018 20:04 GMT
#853
Rels's recent posts make me think he could be town

I just reread fuba's filter and I see no apparent reason from him to vote Koshi. Koshi is correct that if Koshi is town, fuba's vote looks especially terrible and he might be mafia. Except I just checked and he was the first person on the Koshi wagon. Would scum!fuba start a counter wagon on Koshi, of all people?

Frankly idk why mafia didn't just hammer me considering I was easy lynch bait yesterday and lots of people were okay with me dying (including myself)
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 28 2018 20:06 GMT
#854
On May 29 2018 04:20 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2018 04:07 Holyflare wrote:
GB's end of day was really bad. I saw him criticising rels for pushing df at end of day but he voted on df too????? There's so many misconstruing arguments in his filter (especially towards me) and so many posts keeping his options open that it's extremely likely that GB is mafia.

Will have to reread how the votes went exactly, but I think GB consolidating on Jealous was the reason he was the lynch until he switched. Apart from that, I find his train of thoughts very townie, his reads are flowing logically. What arguments did he misconstruct ?



really bad rels it's super obvious if you read the game even a little bit
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
May 28 2018 20:08 GMT
#855
On May 29 2018 05:04 darthfoley wrote:
Rels's recent posts make me think he could be town

I just reread fuba's filter and I see no apparent reason from him to vote Koshi. Koshi is correct that if Koshi is town, fuba's vote looks especially terrible and he might be mafia. Except I just checked and he was the first person on the Koshi wagon. Would scum!fuba start a counter wagon on Koshi, of all people?

Frankly idk why mafia didn't just hammer me considering I was easy lynch bait yesterday and lots of people were okay with me dying (including myself)

fuba cannot be scum if Koshi is scum.
And yeah. Finding what happened exactly EOD1 will be key
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
May 28 2018 20:09 GMT
#856
On May 29 2018 05:06 Holyflare wrote:
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On May 29 2018 04:20 Rels wrote:
On May 29 2018 04:07 Holyflare wrote:
GB's end of day was really bad. I saw him criticising rels for pushing df at end of day but he voted on df too????? There's so many misconstruing arguments in his filter (especially towards me) and so many posts keeping his options open that it's extremely likely that GB is mafia.

Will have to reread how the votes went exactly, but I think GB consolidating on Jealous was the reason he was the lynch until he switched. Apart from that, I find his train of thoughts very townie, his reads are flowing logically. What arguments did he misconstruct ?



really bad rels it's super obvious if you read the game even a little bit

lol. Quote it then.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
May 28 2018 20:14 GMT
#857

Day 2 Vote Count



darthfoley [2]: GlowingBear, fuba
fuba [2]: byj, Koshi
byj [1]: Grackaroni
Koshi [1]: Rels
LightningStrike [0]: GlowingBear, Koshi

Not Voting [3]: Holyflare, LightningStrike, darthfoley


darthfoley is currently the lynch.

The deadline is Tuesday, May 29 10:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00) which is in .
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 28 2018 20:21 GMT
#858
On May 29 2018 05:09 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2018 05:06 Holyflare wrote:
On May 29 2018 04:20 Rels wrote:
On May 29 2018 04:07 Holyflare wrote:
GB's end of day was really bad. I saw him criticising rels for pushing df at end of day but he voted on df too????? There's so many misconstruing arguments in his filter (especially towards me) and so many posts keeping his options open that it's extremely likely that GB is mafia.

Will have to reread how the votes went exactly, but I think GB consolidating on Jealous was the reason he was the lynch until he switched. Apart from that, I find his train of thoughts very townie, his reads are flowing logically. What arguments did he misconstruct ?



really bad rels it's super obvious if you read the game even a little bit

lol. Quote it then.


It's before deadline where he says I never voted rayn and used it to try and deflect votes off the koshi wagon etc etc. THat's just one instance. Another is how his reads develop over time with no new critical thinking or development and then just magically change when the situation looks bad for his team mate.

Something that massively weighs me in the favour of a GB/Koshi scum team is that GB scum reads rayn/grack ALL OF DAY 1 but then Koshi starts to be a wagon when rayn made his "outdated" case on koshi. Somehow that rayn and grack read magically changes to oh wait they're town now and he votes jealous with them. When I pressure him to explain that read he fobs it off and basically has NO reason that his read changed on them. The only correlation is that Koshi is up for lynch. We then know how the rest of the deadline went down where he basically switches off jealous for absolutely no reason and then criticises you multiple times for not voting jealous(?????).

Furthermore, with regards to Koshi. I don't EVER believe he votes LS in this situation. If he has a pool of ls/fuba/df/you etc (which is already a major bs pool of basically people that didn't vote jealous) why would he vote LS? LS could have easily voted df in this situation to save Jealous but did not, Fuba as well. Koshi isn't critically analysing anything that went down at deadline. DF is the key to him solving the game but he refuses to vote there. I am pretty sure it's because it reveals that GB was the counter wagon initiator to save Koshi.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 28 2018 20:22 GMT
#859
On May 29 2018 05:04 darthfoley wrote:
Rels's recent posts make me think he could be town

I just reread fuba's filter and I see no apparent reason from him to vote Koshi. Koshi is correct that if Koshi is town, fuba's vote looks especially terrible and he might be mafia. Except I just checked and he was the first person on the Koshi wagon. Would scum!fuba start a counter wagon on Koshi, of all people?

Frankly idk why mafia didn't just hammer me considering I was easy lynch bait yesterday and lots of people were okay with me dying (including myself)


Fuba voted koshi based on rayn's case didn't he?
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
May 28 2018 20:25 GMT
#860
On May 29 2018 05:21 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2018 05:09 Rels wrote:
On May 29 2018 05:06 Holyflare wrote:
On May 29 2018 04:20 Rels wrote:
On May 29 2018 04:07 Holyflare wrote:
GB's end of day was really bad. I saw him criticising rels for pushing df at end of day but he voted on df too????? There's so many misconstruing arguments in his filter (especially towards me) and so many posts keeping his options open that it's extremely likely that GB is mafia.

Will have to reread how the votes went exactly, but I think GB consolidating on Jealous was the reason he was the lynch until he switched. Apart from that, I find his train of thoughts very townie, his reads are flowing logically. What arguments did he misconstruct ?



really bad rels it's super obvious if you read the game even a little bit

lol. Quote it then.


It's before deadline where he says I never voted rayn and used it to try and deflect votes off the koshi wagon etc etc. THat's just one instance. Another is how his reads develop over time with no new critical thinking or development and then just magically change when the situation looks bad for his team mate.

Something that massively weighs me in the favour of a GB/Koshi scum team is that GB scum reads rayn/grack ALL OF DAY 1 but then Koshi starts to be a wagon when rayn made his "outdated" case on koshi. Somehow that rayn and grack read magically changes to oh wait they're town now and he votes jealous with them. When I pressure him to explain that read he fobs it off and basically has NO reason that his read changed on them. The only correlation is that Koshi is up for lynch. We then know how the rest of the deadline went down where he basically switches off jealous for absolutely no reason and then criticises you multiple times for not voting jealous(?????).

Furthermore, with regards to Koshi. I don't EVER believe he votes LS in this situation. If he has a pool of ls/fuba/df/you etc (which is already a major bs pool of basically people that didn't vote jealous) why would he vote LS? LS could have easily voted df in this situation to save Jealous but did not, Fuba as well. Koshi isn't critically analysing anything that went down at deadline. DF is the key to him solving the game but he refuses to vote there. I am pretty sure it's because it reveals that GB was the counter wagon initiator to save Koshi.


bingo

On May 28 2018 23:01 darthfoley wrote:
I looked through fuba's filter... and it felt okay.

I think Jealous's wagon is pure (rayn/grack/hf) probably. HF could have hammered me with rels/GB and bullshitted some reason to justify it. Grack's reaction to the lynch seemed townie enough.

Koshi wagon, i'm not sure. Really depends on Koshi's alignment here. I think there are two scum between Koshi/Rels/byj/GB/LS.

I need to reread some shit later today, but GB's switch off Jealous and onto me makes me worry. He, like Rels, were interested in anything but Jealous/Koshi EoD. Tried fuba, and me. If HF had actually switched like he said, I would've been lynched with 3 votes (Rels/HF/GB)

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