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On May 29 2018 05:22 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2018 05:04 darthfoley wrote:
Rels's recent posts make me think he could be town
I just reread fuba's filter and I see no apparent reason from him to vote Koshi. Koshi is correct that if Koshi is town, fuba's vote looks especially terrible and he might be mafia. Except I just checked and he was the first person on the Koshi wagon. Would scum!fuba start a counter wagon on Koshi, of all people?
Frankly idk why mafia didn't just hammer me considering I was easy lynch bait yesterday and lots of people were okay with me dying (including myself) Fuba voted koshi based on rayn's case didn't he?
On May 27 2018 05:31 fuba wrote:This is starting to bother me. I know rayn can be stubborn (at least that's how I consider him), but I think he's actually on to something with Koshi and he's still not voting him to sit on a policy lynch. I don't think they're both scum together, and I still thought rayn was town, but there's stubborn and there's this.
On May 27 2018 07:36 fuba wrote:
I filtered him and I'm not sure anymore -_-
Koshi's whole "GB, use this post to defend yourself later" thing seems genuine town.
On May 27 2018 07:38 fuba wrote:
I'm not overly opposed to the jealous lynch, but rayn sitting on it instead of voting a legit scumread makes me nervous.
Kinda hard to tell why he voted Koshi who he claimed was "genuine town" unless i'm missing something obvious from his filter
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On May 27 2018 04:52 fuba wrote:Finally caught up. Sorry - I'm moving in a week and spent all day yesterday getting things set up :/ Only real thing that stuck out about ls to me is that he keeps commenting on people not participating, but hasn't voted. Not definitive, but doesn't make me feel particularly good about him. I liked kpshi originally, but I really like your case on him.
Leaving out the one post that matters 🙃
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On May 29 2018 05:21 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2018 05:09 Rels wrote:On May 29 2018 05:06 Holyflare wrote:On May 29 2018 04:20 Rels wrote:On May 29 2018 04:07 Holyflare wrote:
GB's end of day was really bad. I saw him criticising rels for pushing df at end of day but he voted on df too????? There's so many misconstruing arguments in his filter (especially towards me) and so many posts keeping his options open that it's extremely likely that GB is mafia. Will have to reread how the votes went exactly, but I think GB consolidating on Jealous was the reason he was the lynch until he switched. Apart from that, I find his train of thoughts very townie, his reads are flowing logically. What arguments did he misconstruct ? really bad rels it's super obvious if you read the game even a little bit lol. Quote it then. It's before deadline where he says I never voted rayn and used it to try and deflect votes off the koshi wagon etc etc. THat's just one instance. Another is how his reads develop over time with no new critical thinking or development and then just magically change when the situation looks bad for his team mate. Something that massively weighs me in the favour of a GB/Koshi scum team is that GB scum reads rayn/grack ALL OF DAY 1 but then Koshi starts to be a wagon when rayn made his "outdated" case on koshi. Somehow that rayn and grack read magically changes to oh wait they're town now and he votes jealous with them. When I pressure him to explain that read he fobs it off and basically has NO reason that his read changed on them. The only correlation is that Koshi is up for lynch. We then know how the rest of the deadline went down where he basically switches off jealous for absolutely no reason and then criticises you multiple times for not voting jealous(?????). Furthermore, with regards to Koshi. I don't EVER believe he votes LS in this situation. If he has a pool of ls/fuba/df/you etc (which is already a major bs pool of basically people that didn't vote jealous) why would he vote LS? LS could have easily voted df in this situation to save Jealous but did not, Fuba as well. Koshi isn't critically analysing anything that went down at deadline. DF is the key to him solving the game but he refuses to vote there. I am pretty sure it's because it reveals that GB was the counter wagon initiator to save Koshi.
I'll have to check about this 'cause I don't remember him scumreading rayn late in the day. At the beginning, sure. I'll check when and why his read changed. Tomorrow though, I'll go to sleep soon
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On May 29 2018 05:33 fuba wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2018 04:52 fuba wrote:On May 27 2018 04:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
fuba do you have a read on LS? Finally caught up. Sorry - I'm moving in a week and spent all day yesterday getting things set up :/ Only real thing that stuck out about ls to me is that he keeps commenting on people not participating, but hasn't voted. Not definitive, but doesn't make me feel particularly good about him. I liked kpshi originally, but I really like your case on him. Leaving out the one post that matters 🙃
Why didn't you switch from Koshi to Jealous or DF at the time you posted "I reread Koshi's filter and it's not that bad" near the deadline ?
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On May 29 2018 05:37 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2018 05:33 fuba wrote:On May 27 2018 04:52 fuba wrote:On May 27 2018 04:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
fuba do you have a read on LS? Finally caught up. Sorry - I'm moving in a week and spent all day yesterday getting things set up :/ Only real thing that stuck out about ls to me is that he keeps commenting on people not participating, but hasn't voted. Not definitive, but doesn't make me feel particularly good about him. I liked kpshi originally, but I really like your case on him. Leaving out the one post that matters 🙃 Why didn't you switch from Koshi to Jealous or DF at the time you posted "I reread Koshi's filter and it's not that bad" near the deadline ?
I didn't believe jealous was scum, but was ok with him as a policy lynch. I wasn't gonna vote him, but wasn't really too upset with him as an option. And I had little thought on DF. I definitely wasn't gonna pop in and vote DF with no personal reasoning 20 minutes before EOD. I guess since I was viewing Koshi as town, the smarter thing would have been to switch my vote to someone who was definitely not being lynched, but I didn't consider that at the time.
Shenannies are for people who have had the time and have given a good deal of thought to what they're doing - I didn't have that.
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and with that I'm going to sleep. I'm still not convinced by Koshi - if he's town, fuba makes sense to attack, but if fuba is town and Koshi is scum it makes sense too, it's an easy target in that scenario. The most important thing is that fuba cannot be scum with Koshi, and Koshi is not playing his energetic town self. Lynching him unless he becomes really townie is the best plan. Especially since a lot of things depends on his alignment
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On May 29 2018 05:43 fuba wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2018 05:37 Rels wrote:On May 29 2018 05:33 fuba wrote:On May 27 2018 04:52 fuba wrote:On May 27 2018 04:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
fuba do you have a read on LS? Finally caught up. Sorry - I'm moving in a week and spent all day yesterday getting things set up :/ Only real thing that stuck out about ls to me is that he keeps commenting on people not participating, but hasn't voted. Not definitive, but doesn't make me feel particularly good about him. I liked kpshi originally, but I really like your case on him. Leaving out the one post that matters 🙃 Why didn't you switch from Koshi to Jealous or DF at the time you posted "I reread Koshi's filter and it's not that bad" near the deadline ? I didn't believe jealous was scum, but was ok with him as a policy lynch. I wasn't gonna vote him, but wasn't really too upset with him as an option. And I had little thought on DF. I definitely wasn't gonna pop in and vote DF with no personal reasoning 20 minutes before EOD. I guess since I was viewing Koshi as town, the smarter thing would have been to switch my vote to someone who was definitely not being lynched, but I didn't consider that at the time. Shenannies are for people who have had the time and have given a good deal of thought to what they're doing - I didn't have that.
? I thought you didn't vote Jealous because rayn was on him:
On May 27 2018 07:38 fuba wrote:
I'm not overly opposed to the jealous lynch, but rayn sitting on it instead of voting a legit scumread makes me nervous.
And voting a null read over a townread is kinda weird too
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On May 29 2018 05:46 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2018 05:43 fuba wrote:On May 29 2018 05:37 Rels wrote:On May 29 2018 05:33 fuba wrote:On May 27 2018 04:52 fuba wrote:On May 27 2018 04:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
fuba do you have a read on LS? Finally caught up. Sorry - I'm moving in a week and spent all day yesterday getting things set up :/ Only real thing that stuck out about ls to me is that he keeps commenting on people not participating, but hasn't voted. Not definitive, but doesn't make me feel particularly good about him. I liked kpshi originally, but I really like your case on him. Leaving out the one post that matters 🙃 Why didn't you switch from Koshi to Jealous or DF at the time you posted "I reread Koshi's filter and it's not that bad" near the deadline ? I didn't believe jealous was scum, but was ok with him as a policy lynch. I wasn't gonna vote him, but wasn't really too upset with him as an option. And I had little thought on DF. I definitely wasn't gonna pop in and vote DF with no personal reasoning 20 minutes before EOD. I guess since I was viewing Koshi as town, the smarter thing would have been to switch my vote to someone who was definitely not being lynched, but I didn't consider that at the time. Shenannies are for people who have had the time and have given a good deal of thought to what they're doing - I didn't have that. ? I thought you didn't vote Jealous because rayn was on him: Show nested quote +On May 27 2018 07:38 fuba wrote:
I'm not overly opposed to the jealous lynch, but rayn sitting on it instead of voting a legit scumread makes me nervous. And voting a null read over a townread is kinda weird too
Why would rayn being on him affect my thoughts on jealous?
Rayn being on jealous instead of Koshi affected my thoughts on rayn.
Early game I'm almost always voting null over town. Not sure what the alternative is when I don't have strong scum reads.
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On May 29 2018 05:47 Rels wrote:
not voting*
Ah, yeah. I covered that tho.
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I wont be more energetic than this.
The game is just something I do on the side.
My content should be better than fubas if it is between us. But you decide to let meta influence you too much.
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On May 29 2018 05:49 fuba wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2018 05:46 Rels wrote:On May 29 2018 05:43 fuba wrote:On May 29 2018 05:37 Rels wrote:On May 29 2018 05:33 fuba wrote:On May 27 2018 04:52 fuba wrote:On May 27 2018 04:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
fuba do you have a read on LS? Finally caught up. Sorry - I'm moving in a week and spent all day yesterday getting things set up :/ Only real thing that stuck out about ls to me is that he keeps commenting on people not participating, but hasn't voted. Not definitive, but doesn't make me feel particularly good about him. I liked kpshi originally, but I really like your case on him. Leaving out the one post that matters 🙃 Why didn't you switch from Koshi to Jealous or DF at the time you posted "I reread Koshi's filter and it's not that bad" near the deadline ? I didn't believe jealous was scum, but was ok with him as a policy lynch. I wasn't gonna vote him, but wasn't really too upset with him as an option. And I had little thought on DF. I definitely wasn't gonna pop in and vote DF with no personal reasoning 20 minutes before EOD. I guess since I was viewing Koshi as town, the smarter thing would have been to switch my vote to someone who was definitely not being lynched, but I didn't consider that at the time. Shenannies are for people who have had the time and have given a good deal of thought to what they're doing - I didn't have that. ? I thought you didn't vote Jealous because rayn was on him: On May 27 2018 07:38 fuba wrote:
I'm not overly opposed to the jealous lynch, but rayn sitting on it instead of voting a legit scumread makes me nervous. And voting a null read over a townread is kinda weird too Why would rayn being on him affect my thoughts on jealous? Rayn being on jealous instead of Koshi affected my thoughts on rayn. Early game I'm almost always voting null over town. Not sure what the alternative is when I don't have strong scum reads.
I read the quote of yours I've posted as "I would switch to Jealous if rayn wasn't on the wagon".
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On May 29 2018 05:50 Koshi wrote:
I wont be more energetic than this.
The game is just something I do on the side.
My content should be better than fubas if it is between us. But you decide to let meta influence you too much.
meh. Weak. You always say stuff like that, "I won't play D1", "I won''t post too much", etc., then you don't do it. And ofc I'm using meta. This is not a smurf game.
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I think I get the confusion. I didn't want to lynch him - I thought I could understand his drawings alright. I understood someone else policy lynching him if they didn't feel that was the case. My issue with rayn/jealous was that rayn found something he thought was legit scummy, but stayed on a policy lynch.
If you're asking why, in that case, I didn't switch to jealous over Koshi - it's probably because jealous was already getting lynched, Koshi was already not, and I was trying to find actual scum to switch to instead of what I saw as a kind of lateral move.
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On May 29 2018 04:07 Holyflare wrote:
Who is koshi pushing? Jealous was up for lynch for quite a while and yet nobody joined onto the koshi wagon other than ls (who I think/thought was town) and fuba (really weak gut read town). Unless both of them are Jealous' partners or his partners are afk then nobody gave a shit about lynching koshi to save their team mate? Koshi never really became any kind of majority when it would be the easiest counter push for mafia to make. This goes the same for df. If LS or Fuba are mafia why did they not switch to df to save jealous? Koshi seems incredibly meek from what I've skimmed and is probably mafia. His alignment is really the key to figuring out this game.
GB's end of day was really bad. I saw him criticising rels for pushing df at end of day but he voted on df too????? There's so many misconstruing arguments in his filter (especially towards me) and so many posts keeping his options open that it's extremely likely that GB is mafia.
MY GOD HOW CAN YOU AGREE WITH ALMOST EVERY SINGLE THING I POST BUT KEEP CALLING ME MAFIA JESUS CHRIST IVE NEVER SEEN YOU THIS TUNNELED AS EITHER ALIGNMENT
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On May 29 2018 04:20 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2018 04:07 Holyflare wrote:
GB's end of day was really bad. I saw him criticising rels for pushing df at end of day but he voted on df too????? There's so many misconstruing arguments in his filter (especially towards me) and so many posts keeping his options open that it's extremely likely that GB is mafia. Will have to reread how the votes went exactly, but I think GB consolidating on Jealous was the reason he was the lynch until he switched. Apart from that, I find his train of thoughts very townie, his reads are flowing logically. What arguments did he misconstruct ?
The only reason Jealous died was because I voted him and he became the main wagon BEFORE koshi.
Holyflare's swap didn't hammer Jealous.
HF, let me ask you something.
If I am mafia with Jealous, why would I flip my reads on Grack and Rayn and HAMMER MY FUCKING SCUMPARTNER?
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On May 29 2018 05:21 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2018 05:09 Rels wrote:On May 29 2018 05:06 Holyflare wrote:On May 29 2018 04:20 Rels wrote:On May 29 2018 04:07 Holyflare wrote:
GB's end of day was really bad. I saw him criticising rels for pushing df at end of day but he voted on df too????? There's so many misconstruing arguments in his filter (especially towards me) and so many posts keeping his options open that it's extremely likely that GB is mafia. Will have to reread how the votes went exactly, but I think GB consolidating on Jealous was the reason he was the lynch until he switched. Apart from that, I find his train of thoughts very townie, his reads are flowing logically. What arguments did he misconstruct ? really bad rels it's super obvious if you read the game even a little bit lol. Quote it then. It's before deadline where he says I never voted rayn and used it to try and deflect votes off the koshi wagon etc etc. THat's just one instance. Another is how his reads develop over time with no new critical thinking or development and then just magically change when the situation looks bad for his team mate. Something that massively weighs me in the favour of a GB/Koshi scum team is that GB scum reads rayn/grack ALL OF DAY 1 but then Koshi starts to be a wagon when rayn made his "outdated" case on koshi. Somehow that rayn and grack read magically changes to oh wait they're town now and he votes jealous with them. When I pressure him to explain that read he fobs it off and basically has NO reason that his read changed on them. The only correlation is that Koshi is up for lynch. We then know how the rest of the deadline went down where he basically switches off jealous for absolutely no reason and then criticises you multiple times for not voting jealous(?????). Furthermore, with regards to Koshi. I don't EVER believe he votes LS in this situation. If he has a pool of ls/fuba/df/you etc (which is already a major bs pool of basically people that didn't vote jealous) why would he vote LS? LS could have easily voted df in this situation to save Jealous but did not, Fuba as well. Koshi isn't critically analysing anything that went down at deadline. DF is the key to him solving the game but he refuses to vote there. I am pretty sure it's because it reveals that GB was the counter wagon initiator to save Koshi.
OMG HF
Grack was going to be the lynch when I switched to Jealous
WHY WOULD I SWITCH TO JEALOUS TO SAVE GODDAMN KOSHI?
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You keep saying I'm misconstruing things
But you say I'm not doing shit
I'm trying to gather information on almost EVERY player in the game
I have a big filter for a 44 page game and you say I'm not playing the game
Then you said I didn't answer Grack and I ANSWERED his question before
If you're town, you should take a step back, if not, I'll figure it out and I'll trainwreck the shit out of you
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On May 29 2018 03:12 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2018 02:23 Grackaroni wrote:I dislike that Rels refers to the Jealous lynch as just a coin flip when his assumption was that the scum team would be a team of lurkers. On May 27 2018 07:17 Rels wrote:
Jealous is a coinflip. I would vote Koshi over him. But I would really prefer to just lynch DF? I don't understand why nobody is voting him except me when everybody agreed he is scummy On May 27 2018 07:54 Rels wrote:
I don't think GB is scum. I hate this EOD though. Team is probably something like DF / dyl / fuba, and just letting the lynch happen even if Jealous was AFK, I would have expected his partners to distract the lynch if he was scum. The push against Jealous was a policy wagon, it didn't seem strong. That EOD with small wagons and low activity was very weird. You don't see what I'm talking about ?
I don't really. It seems like your preferred lynch order was Fuba/DF > Koshi > Jealous, so it doesn't look great to say that Jealous was a coinflip when I'm assuming Fuba was probably a coin flip too in your view.
Plus I think the more suspicious votes were on the Koshi wagon.
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Oh shit I'm missing some shit fights.
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EPT
