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Hf is right and vivax showed up anyway. Reverting to my initial gut read
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Follow up by AMG looks better at glance given he sticks his head in many different places and generally gives off a vibe of wanting to do stuff which is a plus for him on D1. Doesn't allow me to exclude him as mafia though.
I don't see what would have required catching up in regards to his initial tubesock read however. It remains a read that is essentially based on Tube being prickly entirely, except that the actual vote happens only when Noobking votes.
His initial impression that Tube is prickly goes from being an observation to an explanation for why it is scummy to a vote for other reasons.
It looks like he reacts to his own posts to keep up a narrative in this case.
I see it like this could have happened:
Townie overreacts to other townie, AMG spots possible fault by TS, calls him prickly but doesn't go with it anywhere. So he needs to make a followup posts telling us that he thinks it's a mafia trait cause the previous post alone in the room would look bad.
Only when Noobking attacks Tubesock AMG decides to vote for him, and he does it by rehashing/agreeing with what Noobking said.
So AMG was kind of looking for reasons to get onto Tubesock purely for the reason he called him prickly already, and since his own reason didn't get enough pull, he only felt like he had the opportunity to do so when Noobking voted first.
This is summed up what's not right with AMG in my opinion.
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Moosy can you explain to me why you thought Damdred was town at that point?
On March 06 2018 16:00 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I thought Damdred was pretty town so far what makes you think he's scum?
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On March 08 2018 00:13 Vivax wrote:Moosy can you explain to me why you thought Damdred was town at that point? Show nested quote +On March 06 2018 16:00 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I thought Damdred was pretty town so far what makes you think he's scum?
+ Show Spoiler +On March 07 2018 17:34 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2018 14:42 n00bKing wrote:On March 07 2018 06:32 MoosyDoosy wrote:On March 07 2018 06:04 n00bKing wrote:On March 07 2018 05:57 MoosyDoosy wrote:On March 07 2018 05:53 n00bKing wrote:On March 07 2018 05:48 MoosyDoosy wrote:
If anything, rsoultin changes her reads to conform to Damdred's over time. Considering how hard Damdred townread rsoultin I think she's metagaming him to seem townie and working around his reads because she knows he can read her.
If rsoul were scum and "knows damdred can read her" then why would she draw his eyes to her by making him her early scumread and pushing for his lynch? Metagame. Damdred said this is what he'd expect from town rsoultin so she might be doing it as scum to make him she's town. *shrug* You can ask Damdred whether he thinks that's something she's likely to try. Anyway, she seems willing to engage with you (even while simultaneously saying there's no way you could get her lynched) so feel free to keep needling her (she's at least giving us plenty of content to try and nail her with later, if she IS scum) but don't let yourself fall into the "tunnel" she talked about. You haven't placed a vote, right? If the day ended in 2 hours instead of 26 hours, who do you think should get the noose? meh. I'm holding my vote until Damdred comes back and responds to my thoughts. But I am probably going to vote for Tubesock here. There aren't really any other convincing arguments for me other than him and my own suspicions on rsoultin. For anyone to purposely be "holding their vote" at this stage just seems dumb to me. If Tubesock would be your lynch, put your vote on him. If it would be someone else, put your vote on them instead. If you're Town, you should want the voting record to be reflective of people's intentions. I'm tired of reading about what you kinda/sorta/maybe want to do, except that you have to talk to daddy damdred first. no can do buddy sorry I do things my own way. Show nested quote +On March 07 2018 15:42 n00bKing wrote:On March 07 2018 12:39 MoosyDoosy wrote:On March 07 2018 12:34 Tubesock wrote:
I don't understand why you towned Damdred for that "Good man, it won't be me (but it was)" comment. Can you expand that please? Add this question too to the list of things Tube seems like he's just throwing out trying to make stick. I'm going to leave to finish my essay I actually have to do by tonight but I want feedback from other people on what they think. If anyone legitimately wants me to explain this read though also, just say so and I will when I get back. Sure, I'll raise my hand for this one. If you think explaining it will be counter-productive for the Town, say that. Otherwise...stop avoiding Tubesock's question? The post was really light and jokey and metagamey and toney which are all things I see town Damdred doing. It's a tonal read so that's about as good as the description gets but I've actually played a fair amount of games with Damdred and this seems town Damdred. Show nested quote +On March 07 2018 16:45 AMG wrote:On March 07 2018 15:51 n00bKing wrote:
Meanwhile,
Does anyone agree or disagree with rsoul's assessment that the silence from Vivax and Kelsier (and especially Vivax) is more alignment-indicative than it is for chaoser? Does anyone even know chaoser?
I think it's also worth discussing whether any of those players are strong Town assets *when* they are Town. For example, let's say people generally agree that Vivax is more likely than the average player, to no-show a thread while Scum. If it just so happens that he had done it as Town this time, would we be shooting ourselves in the foot in a major way by mislynching him, and losing the services of Town Vivax, cuz maybe he was going to show up later and be a Scum-wrecking machine? Or is it big upside and only small downside? And then same question regarding our other 2 no-shows. Chaoser has been on this forum even longer than I have. Back when PM games used to be the norm and you used to get clues from the host every cycle. Hes pretty good/reasonable when he can resist the urge to troll, but that urge strikes him pretty often. chaoser sounds exactly like me. When is this man entering the thread I need to meet him.
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On March 08 2018 00:19 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2018 00:13 Vivax wrote:Moosy can you explain to me why you thought Damdred was town at that point? On March 06 2018 16:00 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I thought Damdred was pretty town so far what makes you think he's scum? + Show Spoiler +On March 07 2018 17:34 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2018 14:42 n00bKing wrote:On March 07 2018 06:32 MoosyDoosy wrote:On March 07 2018 06:04 n00bKing wrote:On March 07 2018 05:57 MoosyDoosy wrote:On March 07 2018 05:53 n00bKing wrote:On March 07 2018 05:48 MoosyDoosy wrote:
If anything, rsoultin changes her reads to conform to Damdred's over time. Considering how hard Damdred townread rsoultin I think she's metagaming him to seem townie and working around his reads because she knows he can read her.
If rsoul were scum and "knows damdred can read her" then why would she draw his eyes to her by making him her early scumread and pushing for his lynch? Metagame. Damdred said this is what he'd expect from town rsoultin so she might be doing it as scum to make him she's town. *shrug* You can ask Damdred whether he thinks that's something she's likely to try. Anyway, she seems willing to engage with you (even while simultaneously saying there's no way you could get her lynched) so feel free to keep needling her (she's at least giving us plenty of content to try and nail her with later, if she IS scum) but don't let yourself fall into the "tunnel" she talked about. You haven't placed a vote, right? If the day ended in 2 hours instead of 26 hours, who do you think should get the noose? meh. I'm holding my vote until Damdred comes back and responds to my thoughts. But I am probably going to vote for Tubesock here. There aren't really any other convincing arguments for me other than him and my own suspicions on rsoultin. For anyone to purposely be "holding their vote" at this stage just seems dumb to me. If Tubesock would be your lynch, put your vote on him. If it would be someone else, put your vote on them instead. If you're Town, you should want the voting record to be reflective of people's intentions. I'm tired of reading about what you kinda/sorta/maybe want to do, except that you have to talk to daddy damdred first. no can do buddy sorry I do things my own way. Show nested quote +On March 07 2018 15:42 n00bKing wrote:On March 07 2018 12:39 MoosyDoosy wrote:On March 07 2018 12:34 Tubesock wrote:
I don't understand why you towned Damdred for that "Good man, it won't be me (but it was)" comment. Can you expand that please? Add this question too to the list of things Tube seems like he's just throwing out trying to make stick. I'm going to leave to finish my essay I actually have to do by tonight but I want feedback from other people on what they think. If anyone legitimately wants me to explain this read though also, just say so and I will when I get back. Sure, I'll raise my hand for this one. If you think explaining it will be counter-productive for the Town, say that. Otherwise...stop avoiding Tubesock's question? The post was really light and jokey and metagamey and toney which are all things I see town Damdred doing. It's a tonal read so that's about as good as the description gets but I've actually played a fair amount of games with Damdred and this seems town Damdred. Show nested quote +On March 07 2018 16:45 AMG wrote:On March 07 2018 15:51 n00bKing wrote:
Meanwhile,
Does anyone agree or disagree with rsoul's assessment that the silence from Vivax and Kelsier (and especially Vivax) is more alignment-indicative than it is for chaoser? Does anyone even know chaoser?
I think it's also worth discussing whether any of those players are strong Town assets *when* they are Town. For example, let's say people generally agree that Vivax is more likely than the average player, to no-show a thread while Scum. If it just so happens that he had done it as Town this time, would we be shooting ourselves in the foot in a major way by mislynching him, and losing the services of Town Vivax, cuz maybe he was going to show up later and be a Scum-wrecking machine? Or is it big upside and only small downside? And then same question regarding our other 2 no-shows. Chaoser has been on this forum even longer than I have. Back when PM games used to be the norm and you used to get clues from the host every cycle. Hes pretty good/reasonable when he can resist the urge to troll, but that urge strikes him pretty often. chaoser sounds exactly like me. When is this man entering the thread I need to meet him.
Thanks. And you would stick to that read at this point? Cause besides you playing a fair amount of games with him and him seeming town to you, there really is no argument in the room for Damdred being town that anyone else could see except from your experienced point of view?
For all I know, Damdred can still be mafia and what he's posted so far doesn't particularly sway me either way.
On March 07 2018 02:56 Damdred wrote:
It was more boring then I originally thought it would be, in that regard i'm slightly...disappointed. But Rsoultin is more than likely town, perhaps hard town in my mind at present. The way she read me seemed like a way she would do in town, and honestly even though I am not quite the player I was she would still like to interact with me then piling on early, also tone is pretty good and not pestering HF to get him to tilt is also a point in her favor.
Never doubt this read my friends.
Also AMG and Moosey are more than likely town in this situation. Both seem open, inquisitive and a good tone. Also Moosey I believe town read me early which I liked! (I like it when people come up with interesting reasons to townread someone as pro town ^_-, even if I could fake it as scum).
I actually don't like FF at this point so far, his tone seemed a bit off earlier and sort of like he was just trying to post to post a bit? But it was still early and its just a lean.
Tube I am not sure of, this slip I don't really buy and don't want to lynch him for that so far ehhhh.
This post could come from mafia. 7 lines explaining his town reads, 3 explaining his scum reads. Easy to just get cred points by townreading people and spending as little as possible on his scumreads.
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Not even his scumreads, he says FF is just a lean and Tube isn't a scumread, it's a null and he doesn't look at him particularly well aside from the slip that HF wanted to sell.
Which takes me to that (a post on the backburner):
On March 06 2018 16:24 Holyflare wrote:
Tubesock has called me medic!
Not just town or mafia. Medic. Let that sink in.
##vote tubesock
On March 06 2018 16:30 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2018 16:27 Tubesock wrote:On March 06 2018 08:47 Holyflare wrote:
I'm a medic. Uhm...you called you a medic.... Yes and as noobking says someone said I can do that as either alignment or any role but you have specifically said I'm a medic. There's a big difference from saying what I said means nothing to saying what I said means I am medic but either alignment. It appears like you know I'm medic but then add a hedge on top as a "oh I don't know" to fit in. It's a weird thought process comparatively to hf can be anything.
Why shouldn't he call you town or mafia medic after you claimed medic?
Why would mafia be more prone to take your claim at face value?
If you are not one of them and Tube is, none of his information should push him towards believing you more or less.
Or can you explain why believing your claim is more likely to happen to mafia who should pay attention to not let slip that they know someone is town.
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On March 07 2018 05:12 darthfoley wrote:
Okay i've caught up.
AMG and n00b are pretty townie ATM. I think Damdred is kinda townie right now actually, for once. Maybe rsoultin too, because I agree with her about Tubesock. He might be mafia, but not for the reasons HF is pushing. The medic thing is really NAI even if it's "strange"
Lynch pool of prplhz, FF and Tubesock for the time being. I really didn't like how FF announced his first read, then felt the need to explain why he's scumreading prplhz in the next post. I think you either 1) do both in one post or 2) announce your scum read, then explain it if asked. Just felt a tad like he's trying to make sure everyone knows he has reasoning behind his scumread, if that makes sense.
A loveless post.
This dude and this dude are town atm.
I think this dude is kinda townie right now actually, for once [are you sure you didn't forget to add anything, df]
Maybe this dudess is is town too because I agree with her about that dude.
Lynch these three dudes for the time being. Here's an explanation for one of them: I didn't like that he didn't post both read and reasons in one post [which could be said for AMG].
Peace out.
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I'm never voting Vivax.
##Vote: MoosyDoosy
I didn't like our interaction, I felt like he was trying to keep me tilted and on the defensive. I completely disagree that I was reaching for straws and seeing what could stick and also disagree that that would even make someone mafia. Generally, it's someone who's on the chopping block.
There's around a 50% chance I won't be back before deadline, but if I am I will be "gone" till two hours prior. I'll be around for 30 more minutes or so then I will "leave".
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Day 1 Vote Count
Tubesock (2): Holyflare, n00bking, AMG (x)
prplhz (2): AMG, Fecalfeast
MoosyDoosy (1): Tubesock
Damdred (0): rsoultin (x)
Vivax (0): rsoultin (x), Fecalfeast (x)
Not Voting (8): chaoser, prplhz, darthfoley, Damdred, KelsierSC, MoosyDoosy, Vivax, rsoultin
Tubesock currently stands as the lynch.
The deadline is Wednesday, Mar 07 10:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00) which is in .
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On March 08 2018 00:32 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2018 00:19 MoosyDoosy wrote:On March 08 2018 00:13 Vivax wrote:Moosy can you explain to me why you thought Damdred was town at that point? On March 06 2018 16:00 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I thought Damdred was pretty town so far what makes you think he's scum? + Show Spoiler +On March 07 2018 17:34 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2018 14:42 n00bKing wrote:On March 07 2018 06:32 MoosyDoosy wrote:On March 07 2018 06:04 n00bKing wrote:On March 07 2018 05:57 MoosyDoosy wrote:On March 07 2018 05:53 n00bKing wrote:On March 07 2018 05:48 MoosyDoosy wrote:
If anything, rsoultin changes her reads to conform to Damdred's over time. Considering how hard Damdred townread rsoultin I think she's metagaming him to seem townie and working around his reads because she knows he can read her.
If rsoul were scum and "knows damdred can read her" then why would she draw his eyes to her by making him her early scumread and pushing for his lynch? Metagame. Damdred said this is what he'd expect from town rsoultin so she might be doing it as scum to make him she's town. *shrug* You can ask Damdred whether he thinks that's something she's likely to try. Anyway, she seems willing to engage with you (even while simultaneously saying there's no way you could get her lynched) so feel free to keep needling her (she's at least giving us plenty of content to try and nail her with later, if she IS scum) but don't let yourself fall into the "tunnel" she talked about. You haven't placed a vote, right? If the day ended in 2 hours instead of 26 hours, who do you think should get the noose? meh. I'm holding my vote until Damdred comes back and responds to my thoughts. But I am probably going to vote for Tubesock here. There aren't really any other convincing arguments for me other than him and my own suspicions on rsoultin. For anyone to purposely be "holding their vote" at this stage just seems dumb to me. If Tubesock would be your lynch, put your vote on him. If it would be someone else, put your vote on them instead. If you're Town, you should want the voting record to be reflective of people's intentions. I'm tired of reading about what you kinda/sorta/maybe want to do, except that you have to talk to daddy damdred first. no can do buddy sorry I do things my own way. Show nested quote +On March 07 2018 15:42 n00bKing wrote:On March 07 2018 12:39 MoosyDoosy wrote:On March 07 2018 12:34 Tubesock wrote:
I don't understand why you towned Damdred for that "Good man, it won't be me (but it was)" comment. Can you expand that please? Add this question too to the list of things Tube seems like he's just throwing out trying to make stick. I'm going to leave to finish my essay I actually have to do by tonight but I want feedback from other people on what they think. If anyone legitimately wants me to explain this read though also, just say so and I will when I get back. Sure, I'll raise my hand for this one. If you think explaining it will be counter-productive for the Town, say that. Otherwise...stop avoiding Tubesock's question? The post was really light and jokey and metagamey and toney which are all things I see town Damdred doing. It's a tonal read so that's about as good as the description gets but I've actually played a fair amount of games with Damdred and this seems town Damdred. Show nested quote +On March 07 2018 16:45 AMG wrote:On March 07 2018 15:51 n00bKing wrote:
Meanwhile,
Does anyone agree or disagree with rsoul's assessment that the silence from Vivax and Kelsier (and especially Vivax) is more alignment-indicative than it is for chaoser? Does anyone even know chaoser?
I think it's also worth discussing whether any of those players are strong Town assets *when* they are Town. For example, let's say people generally agree that Vivax is more likely than the average player, to no-show a thread while Scum. If it just so happens that he had done it as Town this time, would we be shooting ourselves in the foot in a major way by mislynching him, and losing the services of Town Vivax, cuz maybe he was going to show up later and be a Scum-wrecking machine? Or is it big upside and only small downside? And then same question regarding our other 2 no-shows. Chaoser has been on this forum even longer than I have. Back when PM games used to be the norm and you used to get clues from the host every cycle. Hes pretty good/reasonable when he can resist the urge to troll, but that urge strikes him pretty often. chaoser sounds exactly like me. When is this man entering the thread I need to meet him. Thanks. And you would stick to that read at this point? Cause besides you playing a fair amount of games with him and him seeming town to you, there really is no argument in the room for Damdred being town that anyone else could see except from your experienced point of view? For all I know, Damdred can still be mafia and what he's posted so far doesn't particularly sway me either way. Show nested quote +On March 07 2018 02:56 Damdred wrote:
It was more boring then I originally thought it would be, in that regard i'm slightly...disappointed. But Rsoultin is more than likely town, perhaps hard town in my mind at present. The way she read me seemed like a way she would do in town, and honestly even though I am not quite the player I was she would still like to interact with me then piling on early, also tone is pretty good and not pestering HF to get him to tilt is also a point in her favor.
Never doubt this read my friends.
Also AMG and Moosey are more than likely town in this situation. Both seem open, inquisitive and a good tone. Also Moosey I believe town read me early which I liked! (I like it when people come up with interesting reasons to townread someone as pro town ^_-, even if I could fake it as scum).
I actually don't like FF at this point so far, his tone seemed a bit off earlier and sort of like he was just trying to post to post a bit? But it was still early and its just a lean.
Tube I am not sure of, this slip I don't really buy and don't want to lynch him for that so far ehhhh. This post could come from mafia. 7 lines explaining his town reads, 3 explaining his scum reads. Easy to just get cred points by townreading people and spending as little as possible on his scumreads.
+ Show Spoiler +On March 07 2018 18:14 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2018 18:02 rsoultin wrote:On March 07 2018 17:51 MoosyDoosy wrote:
oh shit it's a wild rsoultin Hi Moosy. I do have a question for you actually. Why are you waiting on Damdred? Cause obv your one vote won't kill me and can be changed. And I also don't see how his opinion fits into your world view? You seem by your narrative (sorry, but that's what it is) to believe that Damdred is both good at reading me but also that I'm playing to my town meta as scum specifically to fool him. So what information do you actually get out of his opinion? This is a good question. The thing is, he still hasn't addressed what I've said about you so I still don't know what he thinks about it or if he's revised his thoughts on you. So who knows if his world view is actually similar to mine or not. This is also my way of baiting him to contribute more so I can also judge him more accurately since he has contributed very little. While tonally he's town for me there's not much substance to actually go off of.This is also something I normally do in general unless I'm trolling and voting for myself. I use someone more experienced(?) I guess is the word to ping my thoughts off of.
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So I guess the answer is I'm still not sure but I'd like to believe he's town. But I definitely need more from him for sure.
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We actually only have 6 hours left. I've actually been up for 31 hours now so I'm going to sleep but will set an alarm so that I will hopefully wake up in 5 hours and will be around for the last hour. If I do not, I actually apologize but I have been fairly busy doing irl stuff but I've done my best in being as active as possible in game. I am leaving my vote on Tubesock in the case that I do not wake up in time. Damdred has not shown up which is disappointing as well.  See you all later
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On March 08 2018 00:45 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2018 05:12 darthfoley wrote:
Okay i've caught up.
AMG and n00b are pretty townie ATM. I think Damdred is kinda townie right now actually, for once. Maybe rsoultin too, because I agree with her about Tubesock. He might be mafia, but not for the reasons HF is pushing. The medic thing is really NAI even if it's "strange"
Lynch pool of prplhz, FF and Tubesock for the time being. I really didn't like how FF announced his first read, then felt the need to explain why he's scumreading prplhz in the next post. I think you either 1) do both in one post or 2) announce your scum read, then explain it if asked. Just felt a tad like he's trying to make sure everyone knows he has reasoning behind his scumread, if that makes sense. A loveless post. This dude and this dude are town atm. I think this dude is kinda townie right now actually, for once [are you sure you didn't forget to add anything, df] Maybe this dudess is is town too because I agree with her about that dude. Lynch these three dudes for the time being. Here's an explanation for one of them: I didn't like that he didn't post both read and reasons in one post [which could be said for AMG]. Peace out.
This is one of the reasons why df is below prplhz in my list.
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I'll be nice rsoul and summarise some brief points:
DF picks up on things that the ordinary player would call scummy and makes a passing comment and drops it. There is no follow up nor care to what he sees, it's just observations.
DF makes posts calling people scummy and only elaborates on one of those people while having said absolutely nothing about the others or alluding to why they are mafia.
DF then says something to me about sharing 75% of the same reads so why did I say he looks bad but then does he actually care what I reply?
Nah, it's all just filler posts and no actual want to solve anything.
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He also has some weird thought process resolving around rsoultin where he spends 2 posts of his short filter questioning why she put one guy in her town list but not the other whom she had previously also called town. None of rsoultin's responses could possibly influence anything he has to think about her alignment. It's just a question for the sake of it and not for the sake of learning an unknown alignment.
JUST after that he then says rsoultin is probably town for sharing the same thought process on Tubesock BUT then re-clarifies that he thinks she is town again just after that because she gave out a free town read to df or damdred I forget
Still, these are all weird things to choose to post about. Do I even know who df is actually scum reading? No, he's not voting, hasn't commented on 2/3 of his given scum reads and the third one he actually commented on he got corrected and ff turned up to be null.
No drive, probably mafia.
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I can  Sheep that
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On March 08 2018 03:31 Holyflare wrote:
good posts guys
Thanks!
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FF what's with your prplhz SR? Care to flesh it out?
For all I know he took a stance similar to mine in regards to the AMG tubesock discussion.
His filter doesn't make me lean either way. Why you?
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