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On June 07 2017 17:18 Grackaroni wrote: I think I kinda forced the issue vis a vis Ritoky.
It does kind of read forced, like you two rented a room closed yourself off and started slapping each other taking turns while outside people were wondering what was going on.
A dry shitfight
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Which makes me like BTDT more.
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Blazinghand
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On June 07 2017 17:16 Holyflare wrote: Why is it dumb? I think sometimes ppl can't help with their tmi.
yep, not dumb
On June 07 2017 17:19 Holyflare wrote: Nobody was thinking about it?
Well, not as well as I do at least >:D
On June 07 2017 17:20 Grackaroni wrote: I think your analysis about Tubesock is fine actually. I just found that quote funny.
I'm inclined to believe that scum would want to lynch afk Vivax rather than go against sentiment to try to kill active HF.
yeah that's why tubesock never actually voted
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ITT: Scum Vivax escaping another lynch after doing dumb shit.
I have already poisoned your minds
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Well if your scum plan was to give up because your position was hopeless and try for 1 for 1 trade then you've already failed.
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Blazinghand
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On June 07 2017 17:22 Vivax wrote: ITT: Scum Vivax escaping another lynch after doing dumb shit.
I have already poisoned your minds
I aint unvoting you boy
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Blazinghand
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Hesitance to go after Vivax first:
On June 07 2017 03:35 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2017 03:33 Blazinghand wrote:On June 07 2017 03:31 beentheredonethat wrote: Just one question:
In a situation where a un-cc'ed cop claims a red-check on a player, do you lynch the un-cc'ed cop over the red-check because the un-cc'ed cop previously was scummier than his red-check?
That's exactly the question we're asking! So we have someone who is SUPER SUPER scummy like Vivax, who 100% needs to be lynched. In his desperation, he claims a redcheck on the highly town HF. Who do we lynch? That's a tough call. There's not an obvious answer. I think we lynch Vivax for a variety of reasons, but people can reasonably disagree on this. If there's no obvious answer, how are you actively pushing people into "lynch Vivax" instead of making them come to their own conclusions? I get that HF is doing that, he has no other way than doing that, but isn't it SUPER DUPER FISHY that there's absolutely NOONE coming in and saying (besides poor btdt who has probably the worst standing in this thread right after the claimed cop right now) "hey guys thefuck is going on"
On June 07 2017 03:36 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2017 03:33 Holyflare wrote:On June 07 2017 03:26 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 07 2017 03:24 Holyflare wrote:On June 07 2017 03:20 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 07 2017 03:17 Holyflare wrote:On June 07 2017 03:08 beentheredonethat wrote:honestly if we lynch vivax at this point and he flips cop are we even in a terrible spot? we lynch HF tomorrow which means we have 2 scum in 3 lynches, that seems pretty good for a worst case scenario
best case scenario is vivax is scum which is obv good, and lynching HF is bad because odds are vivax was going to be lynched at some point anyway
If he flips cop, we don't have a cop. Next kill would then most likely be Tumblewood (if he's indeed doc) because doc would save the cop. If all those claims are real, ofc. If HF flips green, we can lynch a scum tomorrow. Which is super fine. We don't lose the cop. I just don't understand how a sane person can prefer the un-cc'ed cop lynch over the claimed check lynch. Even if HF isn't scum, we get Vivax. In both cases it's a bit coinflippy but why the hell would you start with the potential cop and not with the potential scum? Because if you're playing the same game you'd know vivax was bad fake claiming or mafia. He even says in his post he's going to rescind. Point me to that. At the end of the day nothing anyone ever said matters again and you will all just lynch another random person again in some attack of herd mentality (which is the prime reason I'm not happy with this game). And don't tell me that lynching fidei wasn't random as hell cause you were all literally just looking for someone else to lynch other than TW except for 1gu who actually had some real arguments. He seems to be all fucked up about the randomness of this game. And I can understand that: looking only at activity (not content), he's active and participating and gets scumread, while low-volume players that didn't contribute too hard to this game get a lot of cred because they yolo'd a lynch onto scum gf. I can super understand his frustration and I don't understand why you call that "bad fake claiming or mafia". We Lynched Mafia And He Says It's Cos Onegu Made Good Points And Everyone Sheeped Onegu So why is he mad at all that fidei, the mafia, got lynched based on content. It was 0% random AND UNAVOIDABLE BECAUSE THE MAIN WAGON CLAIMED BLUE. He makes it out like he's pissed off from an unavoidable situation that he played no part in to help. Then he says at the end of the day after everyone picks a side in the cop battle we'll lynch someone random. Because he is going to rescind and say it's all a joke to make us flail like day 1. I don't think you're making sense. And I think you're trying to talk me into lynching Vivax. I'm not gonna lynch into the un-cc'ed cop because his red-check told me to do so. It's super madness. If he lied, he'll be lynched next day. If not, HF is scum. Supercool. How does this not make sense to you. You said it makes sense that vivax is frustrated at the randomness. But what reason does he possibly have to be frustrated when he compliments onegu and said he had valid reasons to vote fidei? zero. Then you say he's frustrated because fidei wasn't talked about but no shit, we didn't have time with Tumblewood claiming doctor. But fidei flipped mafia. Why is vivax, the guy who doesn't like to play the game as mafia who had a not so bad start to the game, rage quitting when we kill a mafia super early? Because he was doing well, his team likely in a good spot and fidei "randomly" dies. Bye bye motivation. mumble mumble yeah makes sensebut I don't want to admit that this makes sense lynching the fucking uncc'ed cop is plain bullshit
Bloodthirsty for Vivax if he rescinds:
On June 07 2017 03:38 beentheredonethat wrote: If Vivax rescinds his claim he's the lynch, no questions asked. At least from my side. Even if that's coming from town, it's super bad, stole a day, and potentially lost the game and should be punished.
Same pattern as Tubesock.
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Now, BH, remember your cop and GF argument with BTDT?
He argues there has to be a cop because why fake claim and also there's a GF. Mafia btdt thinks there's a cop and tries to get us to lynch me, so that I'll flip green and the cop dies after. He's thinking vivax might fake his check and get us both lynched.
If Vivax is town.
Looking like a plausible scenario tbh. Btdt is super off point this game.
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Blazinghand
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OK so basically Holyflare I think we're onto something here in terms of, there being two players who said the same thing and did the same thing, following this pattern, where they:
A) initially voted HF or were reluctant to vote Vivax B) said they would 100% vote Vivax if he rescinded[/quote]
These players are Tubesock and BTDT. In the event that both you and Vivax are town, these are definitely the top two scum candidates.
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I will 100% vouch for Vivax. I feel strongly that he is not mafia.
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I don't care, vivax dies. This play should never be allowed to pay off.
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Blazinghand
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On June 07 2017 17:28 Holyflare wrote: Now, BH, remember your cop and GF argument with BTDT?
He argues there has to be a cop because why fake claim and also there's a GF. Mafia btdt thinks there's a cop and tries to get us to lynch me, so that I'll flip green and the cop dies after. He's thinking vivax might fake his check and get us both lynched.
If Vivax is town.
Looking like a plausible scenario tbh. Btdt is super off point this game.
Ugh, so the issue here is that it all hinges on Vivax being town. Vivax, if he's town, is playing SO BADLY. If he's town, we're winning this game in SPITE of him, not because of his contributions (post-D1). I really can't understand his play as town unless it's purely emotion-driven and not at all driven at trying to find the truth. People are SOMETIMES like this as town but... to the point of FAKECLAIMING as COP? the issue here at its core is "is Vivax town" because if he's scum we just take him out as we're doing but... jeez man.
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Blazinghand
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On June 07 2017 17:31 Holyflare wrote: I don't care, vivax dies. This play should never be allowed to pay off.
OK I get that this play shouldn't be allowed to pay off. We do have a spare lynch or two, and there's nothing wrong with taking out Vivax first, except, what if my analysis is off and these kids are innocent. There are like, actual reasons to want to lynch the guy who's not claiming cop first in this scenario (HF) over the claimed cop. And if the cop unclaims, he's definitely not the cop basically. It's not like their reasons make literally zero sense. They're just highly suspicious if Vivax is town and so are you.
On June 07 2017 17:29 Grackaroni wrote: I will 100% vouch for Vivax. I feel strongly that he is not mafia. Yeah Grack the issue is in the world in which Vivax is scum i'm not feeling so up and up on you, so i'll need the actual reasoning if you have it (other than gut feeling)
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And why am i suspicious if vivax is town? Nothing has changed.
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It's not even like we're determining a lynch now. We have a million hours for them to fight their corner and us to throw accusations at them. So who cares if you're wrong now in a hypothetical now situation?
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Blazinghand
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On June 07 2017 17:35 Holyflare wrote: And why am i suspicious if vivax is town? Nothing has changed.
TBH Holyflare I'm suspicious of you even if Vivax is Mafia LOL. But this is because I have respect for your play; I think as scum you can come off as amiable and generally right about things, and you're capable of big plays. So if we lynch Vivax today and he flips scum I still have my eye on you; same holds true if he flips VT.
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Blazinghand
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On June 07 2017 17:36 Holyflare wrote: It's not even like we're determining a lynch now. We have a million hours for them to fight their corner and us to throw accusations at them. So who cares if you're wrong now in a hypothetical now situation?
Yeah I mean I guess we just gotta take out Vivax today not matter what because in my view there is a good chance he is scum. If he IS town though I prefer not to lynch him, because my goal is to lynch scum. I don't care about allowing strategies or what is good or bad, lynching scum is preferable to lynching town. I'm not sure there's anything that could convince me not to lynch Vivax though we'll see what grack has to say.
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Blazinghand
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Well, I'm gonna turn in for the night. I wasn't necessarily expecting it, but i'm actually having loads of fun in this game!
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On June 07 2017 17:37 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2017 17:35 Holyflare wrote: And why am i suspicious if vivax is town? Nothing has changed. TBH Holyflare I'm suspicious of you even if Vivax is Mafia LOL. But this is because I have respect for your play; I think as scum you can come off as amiable and generally right about things, and you're capable of big plays. So if we lynch Vivax today and he flips scum I still have my eye on you; same holds true if he flips VT. That's kind of hard because there's a lot of little different factors that add up to make Vivax mafia improbable to me and a lot of them are feels.
For one, usually the people who are openly pissed off and complaining about mafia getting bandwagoned are town.
The follow up with Vivax not getting his lynch yesterday and claiming cop with a red check on HF and pissing off was like the most predictable angry townie reaction ever for me. I even made a joke about how I would do it to Ritoky earlier.
We've been in synch for most of the early game.
His reads post was insightful for the people he's not tunneled on.
On June 07 2017 17:07 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2017 17:01 Grackaroni wrote:On June 07 2017 16:57 Vivax wrote: Btw Grack you owe me for pestering me in resistance while trying to kick sharkie out of teams so don't be a bitch and help a brotha out here. I want to help you but most of these players aren't used to our shitty plays and they are going to want to punish you for this. I also don't think either HF or BH are good lynches. Off the top of my head I like Ritoky/Conversion lynches. Also Tubesock is a definite possibility. Well what I noticed this game is that fidei had reads that were off with what most others were thinking initially, then later kind of caught up and in his big post he ended up having reads that looked less suspicious. But I wrote him off as town for having weird reads so there's that. It's possible TS is mafia for the same reason. He's kind of on a different wavelength than the rest and was kind of happy just suspecting me as mafia when I was being a dick so that seemed opportunistic but I like to think he's just wrong and tbh I don't even know this TS dude. With ritoky the only thing I could think of is that he was proven around but not posting anything at deadline. As mafia he'd also have started into D1 with more smugposting I think. HF is pretty much lock scum. With BH there's a chance he's just being selfish and trying to flood the game with his textual adventures for his own leisure instead of trying to win it
The claim play is terrible for mafia, but If he really wanted to strategically make a trade then he would have overwhelmingly had the upper hand if he was able to lose the attitude and put a modicum of effort into sticking around because it's a bad trade to begin with.
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