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On October 04 2016 20:49 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2016 20:44 justanothertownie wrote:On October 04 2016 20:42 marvellosity wrote:On October 04 2016 20:38 Superbia wrote:
General complaint:
I agree that this PM shit is really really fucking dumb.
The fact that people are already drawing conclusions based on someone who claims he can be mod confirmed is also really fucking dumb. Like conjecture regarding PMs is already happening.
This why you never bring this shit up. You're either soft claiming a role or you're really talking about again-the-rules shit like an absolute dumb ass. Either way it's fucking dumb because people are now talking about PMs and inferring based on it.
I wanted a nice, high-level game. Not PM garbage.
Thx4listening. yes, unfortunately i did read this completely unnecessary pointless post. It's content is pointless. The hostile/aggressive attitude on the other hand is somewhat interesting.  I know how you read me JAT; So I kinda like this post.
How reassuring.
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On October 04 2016 20:51 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2016 20:49 Superbia wrote:On October 04 2016 20:44 justanothertownie wrote:On October 04 2016 20:42 marvellosity wrote:On October 04 2016 20:38 Superbia wrote:
General complaint:
I agree that this PM shit is really really fucking dumb.
The fact that people are already drawing conclusions based on someone who claims he can be mod confirmed is also really fucking dumb. Like conjecture regarding PMs is already happening.
This why you never bring this shit up. You're either soft claiming a role or you're really talking about again-the-rules shit like an absolute dumb ass. Either way it's fucking dumb because people are now talking about PMs and inferring based on it.
I wanted a nice, high-level game. Not PM garbage.
Thx4listening. yes, unfortunately i did read this completely unnecessary pointless post. It's content is pointless. The hostile/aggressive attitude on the other hand is somewhat interesting. I know how you read me JAT; So I kinda like this post. How reassuring.
I give you my 100% truthful double promise word that I am town. You can now continue looking at other people while I go back to lurking.
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On October 04 2016 20:54 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2016 20:51 justanothertownie wrote:On October 04 2016 20:49 Superbia wrote:On October 04 2016 20:44 justanothertownie wrote:On October 04 2016 20:42 marvellosity wrote:On October 04 2016 20:38 Superbia wrote:
General complaint:
I agree that this PM shit is really really fucking dumb.
The fact that people are already drawing conclusions based on someone who claims he can be mod confirmed is also really fucking dumb. Like conjecture regarding PMs is already happening.
This why you never bring this shit up. You're either soft claiming a role or you're really talking about again-the-rules shit like an absolute dumb ass. Either way it's fucking dumb because people are now talking about PMs and inferring based on it.
I wanted a nice, high-level game. Not PM garbage.
Thx4listening. yes, unfortunately i did read this completely unnecessary pointless post. It's content is pointless. The hostile/aggressive attitude on the other hand is somewhat interesting. I know how you read me JAT; So I kinda like this post. How reassuring. I give you my 100% truthful double promise word that I am town. You can now continue looking at other people while I go back to lurking.
You aren't very good at that whole lurking thing tbh. LAL
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On October 04 2016 19:02 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2016 11:38 Oatsmaster wrote:
I really don't like what calix is trying to push here. Sure what nu is doing is super bad play and from first glance it looks scummy but it's not actually scummy. Why would scum post that he can be modconfirmed town? That makes 0 sense.
And now she's trying to push some stupid Lynch based on content but no one has done shit anyway. Fake activity How does one 'fake' activity? Either I am posting or I am not posting and it doesn't indicate jack shit about my alignment. I think the reason people are not following me is because they're not that familiar with NU. (aka, meta) He is prone to coming up with stupid plans/ gambits - him trying to get around the rules is NAI taken by itself because it's a part of how he plays. (I don't think it's noteworthy that anyone on this site reads it as townie as people play more conservatively here compared to our home site and thus are reading his actions from that mindset) When I first saw that post, I just laughed it off. Grack's comment made me reread and see how terrible it was as an entrance so I decided to push it. What I don't like is how his very first focus is on promoting himself as town using external factors. While saying "I can be mod-confirmed" is NAI by itself for him, his later posts make me think he is looking for a fallback in case he's called out for his sub-par posting. Look at his responses to me. They are underwhelming for him. Nothing substantial, just some self-aggrandizing comments, downplays my push on him, snark, bluffing about being town. (last two points come across as forced) If he steps it up then I'll reconsider but right now, I really do not like him and think everyone should read his filter with this in mind. I don't want people giving him a free pass for something which is not - in my opinion - out of his scum range. Show nested quote +On October 04 2016 18:34 justanothertownie wrote:
I will have to refamiliarize myself with Stutters meta but so far he seems the scummiest to me. His filter consists exclusively of questions that lead nowhere and aren't followed up upon. Totally disconnected from the thread. He was pretty lurkish, unresponsive and making terrible posts in the last game we were in and he was town so not sure how AI that is for him. Will keep your point in mind though.
No, the gambits I pull off are always great. Doc claim in IC and the what-could've-been jailkeeper/citizen claim in GoT were fantastic WIFOM claims. You cannot take this away from me.
As I said, I did not plan on promoting myself as town using external factors this early. When I asked my question (For which I was warned by a non-host, wtf. Asking a question = breaking the rules here it seems), I did not expect to be questioned about it. My question was a legitimate one. I would not have given my motives this early on if it wasn't for Grack and Calax pushing that question against me. Like I am obvious town when I am town (and I am town). I can do just fine without gamebreaking shortcuts.
Question. What is my scum range?
Agree on Stutters. His early questions remind me of scum Eggy.
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On October 04 2016 20:44 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2016 20:41 marvellosity wrote:On October 04 2016 20:39 Calix wrote:On October 04 2016 20:36 marvellosity wrote:On October 04 2016 20:31 Calix wrote:
I didn't find it townie because him trying to use a shortcut to confirm himself/ find scum/ etc is typical behaviour for him. Like he tries to find one or two things that 'confirm' people. Not great at explaining it.
(for example, he scum-hunts a lot via 'scum slips' - a look at his first game on here shows that)
And I didn't think the host would confirm it (obviously) so with that in mind alongside the fact that posting PMs is obviously against the rules, I found it questionable.
no, i get that, but to vote him you have to think he does that as mafia otherwise you would also find it townie, hence the baying mob asking for you to provide an example of him doing such a thing as mafia. It doesn't have to be exactly that even, but if you can provide an example of him doing something weird to try to confirm himself when he's mafia, that would be lovely. if you can't, you should be able to see why hf and whoever else is getting on your bum, it's just logic Yeah that's what I said earlier. I'd be doing exactly the same thing. Like I had an example in mind (as said earlier) when making my earlier posts but that doesn't match the "confirm self as mafia" thing that's being asked for. you may as well provide it for the sake of completeness :p tbh i don't think your vote on him looks very good, but on the other hand I know it's very easy to have your own thoughts and make sweeping statements about players you know without being able to back it up very well. I did. I said that he claimed Friendly Neighbour as scum in his last game. (which I now realise is a bad example due to different contexts of the claim - he didn't claim it at the start of that game) This isn't that bad. It means people are doing something so I don't mind.
Clearly I didn't read one of your posts at all...
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On October 04 2016 19:05 Calix wrote:
This is meta-based so not air-tight by any means but nothing else strikes me as interesting so fuck it, lol.
If it really was meta-based, you would not care. Fluff posting early/late d1 is NAI for me. I have done it as town and as neutral. I could be doing it as scum. You using it as an argument to call my play scummy reeks of someone trying to force a read.
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On October 04 2016 21:01 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2016 19:05 Calix wrote:
This is meta-based so not air-tight by any means but nothing else strikes me as interesting so fuck it, lol. If it really was meta-based, you would not care. Fluff posting early/late d1 is NAI for me. I have done it as town and as neutral. I could be doing it as scum. You using it as an argument to call my play scummy reeks of someone trying to force a read.
For the sake of argument, why would he try force a read on the one person who can most easily rebut him ?
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On October 04 2016 20:58 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2016 19:02 Calix wrote:On October 04 2016 11:38 Oatsmaster wrote:
I really don't like what calix is trying to push here. Sure what nu is doing is super bad play and from first glance it looks scummy but it's not actually scummy. Why would scum post that he can be modconfirmed town? That makes 0 sense.
And now she's trying to push some stupid Lynch based on content but no one has done shit anyway. Fake activity How does one 'fake' activity? Either I am posting or I am not posting and it doesn't indicate jack shit about my alignment. I think the reason people are not following me is because they're not that familiar with NU. (aka, meta) He is prone to coming up with stupid plans/ gambits - him trying to get around the rules is NAI taken by itself because it's a part of how he plays. (I don't think it's noteworthy that anyone on this site reads it as townie as people play more conservatively here compared to our home site and thus are reading his actions from that mindset) When I first saw that post, I just laughed it off. Grack's comment made me reread and see how terrible it was as an entrance so I decided to push it. What I don't like is how his very first focus is on promoting himself as town using external factors. While saying "I can be mod-confirmed" is NAI by itself for him, his later posts make me think he is looking for a fallback in case he's called out for his sub-par posting. Look at his responses to me. They are underwhelming for him. Nothing substantial, just some self-aggrandizing comments, downplays my push on him, snark, bluffing about being town. (last two points come across as forced) If he steps it up then I'll reconsider but right now, I really do not like him and think everyone should read his filter with this in mind. I don't want people giving him a free pass for something which is not - in my opinion - out of his scum range. On October 04 2016 18:34 justanothertownie wrote:
I will have to refamiliarize myself with Stutters meta but so far he seems the scummiest to me. His filter consists exclusively of questions that lead nowhere and aren't followed up upon. Totally disconnected from the thread. He was pretty lurkish, unresponsive and making terrible posts in the last game we were in and he was town so not sure how AI that is for him. Will keep your point in mind though. No, the gambits I pull off are always great. Doc claim in IC and the what-could've-been jailkeeper/citizen claim in GoT were fantastic WIFOM claims. You cannot take this away from me. As I said, I did not plan on promoting myself as town using external factors this early. When I asked my question (For which I was warned by a non-host, wtf. Asking a question = breaking the rules here it seems), I did not expect to be questioned about it. My question was a legitimate one. I would not have given my motives this early on if it wasn't for Grack and Calax pushing that question against me. Like I am obvious town when I am town (and I am town). I can do just fine without gamebreaking shortcuts. Question. What is my scum range? Agree on Stutters. His early questions remind me of scum Eggy.
Think you mean a co-host?
It was a stupid fucking question even though I took it way out of proportion. Moving on since that's established...
Scum range = behaviours that you are capable of doing as scum. If you're asking what your scum range is then that's hard to define.
(not gonna lie, I was suspecting that you had discussed strategy with Duck which speaks for itself. Not that anyone here is going to know what I'm rabbiting on about there)
Anyone else pinging you?
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On October 04 2016 19:35 Holyflare wrote:
Point out to me where he does this on your site and tries to abuse role pms to get mod confirmed and I'll believe you.
Otherwise you are madia.
I absolutely have no idea where she got that from. I never did anything of the sort.
On October 04 2016 19:38 Calix wrote:
It literally says "no posting PMs from the host" - it's clear that it's against the rules. (it's also a common rule on the home site, it's not like he got mixed up there)
Being skeptical of something that he obviously cannot follow through with does not make me mafia.
No, it's not clear. Am I allowed to paraphrase what I received via PM? That is what is not clear. It's clear on our homesite. Rules state that we cannot quote PMs but may paraphrase them.
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On October 04 2016 21:01 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2016 19:05 Calix wrote:
This is meta-based so not air-tight by any means but nothing else strikes me as interesting so fuck it, lol. If it really was meta-based, you would not care. Fluff posting early/late d1 is NAI for me. I have done it as town and as neutral. I could be doing it as scum. You using it as an argument to call my play scummy reeks of someone trying to force a read.
So you're arguing that I am pushing a read onto someone who I claim has obvious town/ scum meta.
Let's just indulge in this delusion and pretend that I'm scum and let's assume that you're town...since this push makes no sense for two of the scum to do.
I decide to make a lame push on you based on the question.
People start to town-read you for your question.
I pop in and double down on my push, thus drawing a shit-load of attention to myself.
Even if I mislynched you, I would look exceptionally bad for mislynching someone that I claim has "obvious town/ scum meta"
So what exactly does scum!Calix get out of doing this, exactly? Inquiring minds want to know.
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On October 04 2016 21:05 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2016 19:35 Holyflare wrote:
Point out to me where he does this on your site and tries to abuse role pms to get mod confirmed and I'll believe you.
Otherwise you are madia. I absolutely have no idea where she got that from. I never did anything of the sort. Show nested quote +On October 04 2016 19:38 Calix wrote:
It literally says "no posting PMs from the host" - it's clear that it's against the rules. (it's also a common rule on the home site, it's not like he got mixed up there)
Being skeptical of something that he obviously cannot follow through with does not make me mafia. No, it's not clear. Am I allowed to paraphrase what I received via PM? That is what is not clear. It's clear on our homesite. Rules state that we cannot quote PMs but may paraphrase them.
Now I am seriously confused. How would paraphrasing help you in any way? Oo
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On second thought - forget I asked. Let's not keep discussing this.
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On October 04 2016 20:23 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2016 20:07 Holyflare wrote:
No, it's bull shit. He either has done a play like this or you think he's town.
Mafia don't know or can't know there's words or anything in a pm or whatever that can prove you're town. NU makes a play like that.
Either he's done something similar in a previous game or something like this where he's abused knowledge he can't have and he's been mafia or he's flat out town. Koshi has said something else that's "validated" the wording point too.
Your push is completely bull shit. Role PMs are on the first page, so surely the mafia know what they are? In case I wasn't being clear, no, he has not tried abusing role PMs in a previous game. Which I never said to begin with since I said that he's done stupid shit before. (when I said that, I was mainly referring to a game where he fake-claimed Friendly Neighbour as mafia + a couple of comments he's made before which made me think he would try something like this since the host can't confirm)
WHAT? REALLY? ALL THIS IS BASED ON A FAKE-CLAIM I DID AS MAFIA? LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL!
That fake-claim revolved around a town player confirming he indeed was given the information that I was town which he did not. That has jack shit to do with hosts/PMs/rules. WTF is even your point, lmao? Why do you assume that I would only do it as scum?
Your most valid point is that Koshi is backing him up, so I am probably wrong here.
Since this is now the only thing happening, you should still keep pushing me about something non-PM related so that we have something to talk about.
tl;dr: I didn't think that through but I realise that looks like a cop-out so there's not much I can do there.
lololol
On October 04 2016 20:23 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2016 20:02 Calix wrote:
Your reading comprehension is exceptionally poor today, mate.
You must have read my long posts otherwise you wouldn't have found that comment and misrepresented my position like that. The idea is (and it took me way too long): nu (he directly asked to be called nu, everyone do it) did something that on the surface is townie behaviour - drawing attention to self / dumb plan type idea - but you voted for him.
I asked that my initials were capitalized ><
Also, Calix says that I'm easy to read as scum and that my play sucks... yet, she only scum-read me 1/3 times I was not town. Take her "OP meta-reads" with a grain of salt, pl0x.
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On October 04 2016 20:31 Calix wrote:
I didn't find it townie because him trying to use a shortcut to confirm himself/ find scum/ etc is typical behaviour for him. Like he tries to find one or two things that 'confirm' people. Not great at explaining it.
(for example, he scum-hunts a lot via 'scum slips' - a look at his first game on here shows that)
And I didn't think the host would confirm it (obviously) so with that in mind alongside the fact that posting PMs is obviously against the rules, I found it questionable.
God, the idea was to make the hosts say what is not allowed, so I could mod-confirm myself with what isn't not allowed (though obviously it is against the spirit of the game.). They wouldn't be able to modkill me because I would have maneuvered around the things they established were punishable.
That was the idea. Besides, looking scummy as blue is good sometimes.
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On October 04 2016 20:46 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2016 20:44 NeverUnlucky wrote:On October 04 2016 15:40 Holyflare wrote:
nEVERuNLUCKY probably bs confirmed himself town and koshi is either abusing it and bsing or is also town. Calix bad or mafia for even voting that way.
More wishy washy statements on koshi to come. I see what you did with my name, lul. I'm concerned that Calix didn't question my BS confirm. She just went along with it and called me bad. Wait what?
Wasn't up-to-date when I made that post. Still, I was referring to saying "I'm town". You did not question this. That's the BS confirm I referred to.
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On October 04 2016 21:20 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2016 20:46 Calix wrote:On October 04 2016 20:44 NeverUnlucky wrote:On October 04 2016 15:40 Holyflare wrote:
nEVERuNLUCKY probably bs confirmed himself town and koshi is either abusing it and bsing or is also town. Calix bad or mafia for even voting that way.
More wishy washy statements on koshi to come. I see what you did with my name, lul. I'm concerned that Calix didn't question my BS confirm. She just went along with it and called me bad. Wait what? Wasn't up-to-date when I made that post. Still, I was referring to saying "I'm town". You did not question this. That's the BS confirm I referred to.
I said "you're using a truth tell and if you're being legit then your play has become worse" in response.
No idea what your point is here.
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On October 04 2016 21:02 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2016 21:01 NeverUnlucky wrote:On October 04 2016 19:05 Calix wrote:
This is meta-based so not air-tight by any means but nothing else strikes me as interesting so fuck it, lol. If it really was meta-based, you would not care. Fluff posting early/late d1 is NAI for me. I have done it as town and as neutral. I could be doing it as scum. You using it as an argument to call my play scummy reeks of someone trying to force a read. For the sake of argument, why would he try force a read on the one person who can most easily rebut him ?
She can claim that she knows my play and get others to lynch me. Doesn't matter if I can rebut her, as long as the others trust her voice over mine.
I don't really understand why you ask this question. Power Wolfs do this all the time. There isn't really a 'why'.
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On October 04 2016 21:04 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2016 20:58 NeverUnlucky wrote:On October 04 2016 19:02 Calix wrote:On October 04 2016 11:38 Oatsmaster wrote:
I really don't like what calix is trying to push here. Sure what nu is doing is super bad play and from first glance it looks scummy but it's not actually scummy. Why would scum post that he can be modconfirmed town? That makes 0 sense.
And now she's trying to push some stupid Lynch based on content but no one has done shit anyway. Fake activity How does one 'fake' activity? Either I am posting or I am not posting and it doesn't indicate jack shit about my alignment. I think the reason people are not following me is because they're not that familiar with NU. (aka, meta) He is prone to coming up with stupid plans/ gambits - him trying to get around the rules is NAI taken by itself because it's a part of how he plays. (I don't think it's noteworthy that anyone on this site reads it as townie as people play more conservatively here compared to our home site and thus are reading his actions from that mindset) When I first saw that post, I just laughed it off. Grack's comment made me reread and see how terrible it was as an entrance so I decided to push it. What I don't like is how his very first focus is on promoting himself as town using external factors. While saying "I can be mod-confirmed" is NAI by itself for him, his later posts make me think he is looking for a fallback in case he's called out for his sub-par posting. Look at his responses to me. They are underwhelming for him. Nothing substantial, just some self-aggrandizing comments, downplays my push on him, snark, bluffing about being town. (last two points come across as forced) If he steps it up then I'll reconsider but right now, I really do not like him and think everyone should read his filter with this in mind. I don't want people giving him a free pass for something which is not - in my opinion - out of his scum range. On October 04 2016 18:34 justanothertownie wrote:
I will have to refamiliarize myself with Stutters meta but so far he seems the scummiest to me. His filter consists exclusively of questions that lead nowhere and aren't followed up upon. Totally disconnected from the thread. He was pretty lurkish, unresponsive and making terrible posts in the last game we were in and he was town so not sure how AI that is for him. Will keep your point in mind though. No, the gambits I pull off are always great. Doc claim in IC and the what-could've-been jailkeeper/citizen claim in GoT were fantastic WIFOM claims. You cannot take this away from me. As I said, I did not plan on promoting myself as town using external factors this early. When I asked my question (For which I was warned by a non-host, wtf. Asking a question = breaking the rules here it seems), I did not expect to be questioned about it. My question was a legitimate one. I would not have given my motives this early on if it wasn't for Grack and Calax pushing that question against me. Like I am obvious town when I am town (and I am town). I can do just fine without gamebreaking shortcuts. Question. What is my scum range? Agree on Stutters. His early questions remind me of scum Eggy. Think you mean a co-host?
No. I meant what I meant. A non-host. A dude whose name isn't on the first page.
It was a stupid fucking question even though I took it way out of proportion. Moving on since that's established...
Scum range = behaviours that you are capable of doing as scum. If you're asking what your scum range is then that's hard to define.
That is what I was asking.
Hard to define? If you cannot define my scum range, why are you saying that I am an easy read as scum?
(not gonna lie, I was suspecting that you had discussed strategy with Duck which speaks for itself. Not that anyone here is going to know what I'm rabbiting on about there)
I did not.
Anyone else pinging you?
Not very much as you can see. I hope you don't think this is personal again...
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On October 04 2016 21:07 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2016 21:01 NeverUnlucky wrote:On October 04 2016 19:05 Calix wrote:
This is meta-based so not air-tight by any means but nothing else strikes me as interesting so fuck it, lol. If it really was meta-based, you would not care. Fluff posting early/late d1 is NAI for me. I have done it as town and as neutral. I could be doing it as scum. You using it as an argument to call my play scummy reeks of someone trying to force a read. So you're arguing that I am pushing a read onto someone who I claim has obvious town/ scum meta. Let's just indulge in this delusion and pretend that I'm scum and let's assume that you're town...since this push makes no sense for two of the scum to do. I decide to make a lame push on you based on the question. People start to town-read you for your question. I pop in and double down on my push, thus drawing a shit-load of attention to myself. Even if I mislynched you, I would look exceptionally bad for mislynching someone that I claim has "obvious town/ scum meta" So what exactly does scum!Calix get out of doing this, exactly? Inquiring minds want to know.
Put that way my point looks dumb. Still feel uneasy about you saying I look for shortcuts often (NAI)and associating a scum-read to it. I don't even know what shortcuts you are referring to.
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Legit question. Are you actually scum-reading me?
You've made some mocking comments and "oh XYZ bullshit reason concerns me" and even agreed with me on a point or two but you have not actually said "I think Calix is scummy" or called anything I've done scummy...just questionable.
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