On September 11 2016 21:06 Holyflare wrote:
Best post in the game imo will quote later.
Best post in the game imo will quote later.
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Holyflare
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On September 11 2016 21:06 Holyflare wrote: Show nested quote + He basically shut down my posts by saying "no that's not what he's thinking" DESPITE tt actually saying that is what he was thinking meaning tw was defending tt WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT HE SAID THIS GAME Best post in the game imo will quote later. | ||
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Calix
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Yes, I am still reading TW's filter and getting quotes. Yes, I am defending myself because your point hasn't gotten any better just because you posted it for the 494707th time and shitty cases annoy me no matter what. Yes, I can relate to insulting people. | ||
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Calix
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On September 11 2016 21:31 Holyflare wrote: My shitty case is that you're town? Ok RTFT. I am talking about the "Calix ignored the shitty WIFOM about scum!TT" case. Stop being dumb pls. You might actually be onto something here. | ||
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Calix
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TW could be on a team with Damdred given these string of posts though. On September 11 2016 05:01 Tumblewood wrote: Show nested quote + On September 11 2016 04:58 Vivax wrote: On September 11 2016 04:55 Tumblewood wrote: On September 11 2016 04:24 Tumblewood wrote: On September 11 2016 04:21 Calix wrote: Can we actually decide on like, a decent target for EOD please? TT's train is terrible and if Palmar votes for him, that makes 3/4 sheep voters. If anyone town-reads Damdred or HF, then please speak up now. Everyone is just doing their own fucking thing at the moment. I have a 50% townread on Damdred for vaguely looking town and 50% don't-lynch-read for being good but yeah my scum pool is outlined already and I am willing to go for any target in there although tt would hurt my ego yo calix, Damdred's meta D1 as town is to try and form a town circle (and to a lesser extent all game). he is also a valuable townie because that is a useful strategy. His scum play has become really good. I won't lynch him D1 by default but I'm certainly still open to the idea of him being mafia. If he actually lynched mafia at some point ahead that would make things easier. HF and Palmar are roughly in the same category. The idea of the town circle is only as good as the town circle itself, so don't really see any grounds for this being a reason to TR Damdred. I don't really care as much about mafia Damdred as I do about mafia Palmar or Hf. he's good, but he doesn't push mislynches and it's not a personal point of pride to lynch him, if that makes sense. So his town-read of Damdred is because he "vaguely LOOKS town" (but what has he actually done that helps town? Nothing) and an obnoxious "he's a good player" defense which doesn't seem to be AI because people on this site actually seem to think experience is a good reason to not lynch someone, but it doesn't look promising as a 'town read' The last post, however, is so fucking bad. It's not saying why Damdred is town. It's saying why lynching scum!Damdred doesn't do anything. WTF. Like seriously, just look at that last line and tell me why a town would care about how good a hypothetical scum player is when the leading train was on someone he didn't scum-read. | ||
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Calix
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Skynx
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Skynx
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NeverUnlucky
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Calix -- Please tl;dr your 2 wall posts for me. Skynx -- Maybe you want to clarify some of the points I made on you for your own benefit. | ||
Skynx
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On September 11 2016 07:57 Damdred wrote: Nu why is it again that sky can town hunt and you say he's scum hunting, but when I'm largely town hunting and trying to build what I think is the right group I am not? And no I disagree with your conclusions over all on sky him voting tt especially when there was a movement away from tt (to a poont) is just scummy. In fact he complains about people ignoring the other lurkers and never really brings much of anything worth talking about up just says the filter he checked wasn't that bad. Then he bites someone who he really shouldn't given his filter. So no it's scum So the argument here is that my vote on TT is bad cuz I could've switched someone when it was possible. This is bad especially cuz I was down for a shennanie, being the only one to call it in fact. However shennanie to who? Palmar was the worst of all cuz he did nothing but shitposting all game and would be a better lynch almost 100% of the time but no one was willing from all my townreads. Shape I gave a pass cuz his filter was better than I thought i said it somewhere. Super was there the entire time during EoD. Although he triggered me few times it is just so bad to shennanie to someone who's there and actually talking compared to someone abandoned the game. Out of plynches only Palmar was ok but ppl say he picks the game up later on and now you saying I'm scum due to not switching and not bringing anything to table is bad. Kill with fire. | ||
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Calix
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On September 11 2016 19:04 Calix wrote: Show nested quote + On September 11 2016 07:57 Damdred wrote: Nu why is it again that sky can town hunt and you say he's scum hunting, but when I'm largely town hunting and trying to build what I think is the right group I am not? And no I disagree with your conclusions over all on sky him voting tt especially when there was a movement away from tt (to a poont) is just scummy. In fact he complains about people ignoring the other lurkers and never really brings much of anything worth talking about up just says the filter he checked wasn't that bad. Then he bites someone who he really shouldn't given his filter. So no it's scum This isn't part of the reason I am town-reading Skynx, but I don't like Damdred's push on Skynx either. A. His first line (where he asks why Skynx town-clearing is townie but him doing that is scummy) would be fine taken by itself because he's pointing out a possible inconsistency. However, it fits in with his overall pattern of only commenting on things that relate to him. It doesn't look like he actually cares about pushing a scum-read (Skynx) because his focus is on NU treating him differently to Skynx. It is another example of Damdred only focusing on himself. B. His points make no sense for him to use to scum-read Skynx when he himself admits that he was doing the same thing. According to his logic, that makes him scummy. If a townie was aware that they were doing questionable things, they would have rationalisations for why said things are helpful to the town. Therefore, that townie would be more inclined to town-read players who are acting similarly to them, because they can relate to that behaviour and have an explanation fresh in their minds for why said player is acting like that. So let's say that town!Damdred didn't push on anyone at EOD because he was busy. He sees Skynx not pushing on anyone. He would be more likely to assume that Skynx wasn't pushing anyone because of time constraints too. (bad example but I'm not saying this is what happened. I'm just trying to explain my thought process) So given this, why wouldn't Damdred assume that Skynx also has similar reasoning for acting like he was instead of jumping to the explanation that makes Skynx scum? C. This is another example of Damdred focusing on the easy targets in the thread: - His town-reads match up with popular opinion. - Sheep-voted on the shitty TT train, complete with horrible WIFOM conspiracy theories about scum bussing which cannot be backed up by anything in the thread. (focus on abstract theories > logical arguments) - He never discussed other lynch targets in any of his EOD posts. Why? Because the shitty TT train was already locked in at that point so why would he need to? Even Skynx, Palmar, etc were discussing other candidates. Regardless of how shitty said discussion was, it's better than just settling for a TT vote with NO comment. - After TT flipped, he threw shade on Grack and myself because "their defense of TT was weird" (which isn't the same as scum-motivated, just black sheep) and now focuses on Skynx after NU drew attention to this potential inconsistency. I have yet to see Damdred actually push a 'scum-read' BEFORE someone else did. Classic scum tactic of evading responsibility. - Let's not forget the "don't blame the TT voters, blame the people off the train" post. This was said AFTER HF and Superbia had made it clear that they were going to attack people off the TT train regardless of how TT flipped. Thus, this is a safe position for Damdred to take because he knows he'll have support in the thread already. - I am aware that he suddenly flipped and defended me against Super because he was 'playing devil's advocate'. I have no idea what the fuck he was doing there but it didn't give me good vibes. If he did that after getting pushback against a Calix train then I'm even more inclined to think he's scum because it felt like an awkward and insincere backtrack. Fuck's sake N00b tl;dr - Self-centred and almost-exclusively talks about himself and responds to posts that mention him. - Always hides behind other players' ideas. (e.g., he waited for NU to talk about Skynx before saying Skynx was scummy; waited for HF/ Superbia to say "if TT is town, lynch Calix" before agreeing) - He takes safe/ popular positions in the thread, says nothing controversial whatsoever. - Had no interest in doing anything useful at EOD except for responding when called out, was content with the TT train and did not even bother discussing other options. | ||
Skynx
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On September 11 2016 08:10 Damdred wrote: Show nested quote + On September 11 2016 08:03 NeverUnlucky wrote: On September 11 2016 07:57 Damdred wrote: Nu why is it again that sky can town hunt and you say he's scum hunting, but when I'm largely town hunting and trying to build what I think is the right group I am not? And no I disagree with your conclusions over all on sky him voting tt especially when there was a movement away from tt (to a poont) is just scummy. In fact he complains about people ignoring the other lurkers and never really brings much of anything worth talking about up just says the filter he checked wasn't that bad. Then he bites someone who he really shouldn't given his filter. So no it's scum The difference is that you are not confrontational at all in your posts. As if you didn't want to make enemies. That just fits with you town-hunting rather than scum-hunting. Why is it scummy then? You make a point. However, you never really brought anything worth talking about either. Does that make you scum as well? How is this making him scummy? Confrontational is a nai trait scum can be nice or mean and,the same as town. This is a non point I have talked about whatever I wanted to,when,I was in,thread, the fights. Reads, my read on tt most,of,these things were ignored by you however. Idk if voting is mandatory where you are, but jumping on at the end,has the least amount,of responsibilities and,if he brought,hf near tie and hf,flipped even more heat would be on him. His decision making,process does not portray town trying to push or figure out anything. Like what he said about ignoring super shape etc but never pushes then himself and votes the person he was upset we were pushing. That's not town. Let's say I got a train on to Super and some people followed me we kill him instead of someone who hasn't posted for 36 hours. I would be the kill almost 100% of the time D2. You are intentionally wrong sir. | ||
Calix
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On September 11 2016 22:15 Holyflare wrote: Could be damd/tw Yes. I think the best plan right now is for you to push the TW train and NU and I can push Damdred. I see no flaws with this. | ||
Skynx
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On September 11 2016 08:27 Damdred wrote: Nu is just a joker now, makes me laugh. In any case @Shape I think what hi was looking for on a reread was him actually bringing things up about the others in the pool. Lets be honest sky is good at making cases and I don't see it here, he's good with reasoning and while I can see consolidation being the answer it just doesn't make a lot of sense with how his stance was when he entered the thread. And he was pre try side lines during,the lynch and most of the day (slight hypocritical at parts of,me,to say). Do you disagree? Now includes a meta read oh god. | ||
Skynx
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His meta read stating I normally put good cases and reasonings behind them is true. However EoD I discussed with TW, Calix and Vivax (I think?) how there was no obv scum and plynch was good here. Calix was trying to push Damdred for wrong reasons, I didn't agree to it. There was no case for me to make, I asked multiple times if anyone thinks someone was objectively scummy and make a case on it, no one came up. No one was scummy D1, TT was not the worst lynch overall. Lynching any other plynch yesterday (with slight exception of Palms) would be worse. | ||
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