EPTgrack, what are you intending?
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Tumblewood
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grack, what are you intending? | ||
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Calix
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I personally think Skynx is town even if his thought process was a little muddled at EOD. And I feel like his more questionable actions make sense from "bad town" perspective than "scum" (not saying that Skynx is a shit player, I'm saying that his actions aren't optimal for town but don't make a lot of sense for scum to do. For example, he votes for a guaranteed lynch that he admitted was shitty...something which would 100% get him suspected when TT flipped) Shapelog made some good points on town!Skynx which I agree with, basically. It catches me funny that Shapelog spent a lot of time defending Skynx. However he did say that he preferred having a conversation to 'help catch up' or something like that so probably not AI but I'll note it for future reference. | ||
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Holyflare
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Calix
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On September 11 2016 07:57 Damdred wrote: Nu why is it again that sky can town hunt and you say he's scum hunting, but when I'm largely town hunting and trying to build what I think is the right group I am not? And no I disagree with your conclusions over all on sky him voting tt especially when there was a movement away from tt (to a poont) is just scummy. In fact he complains about people ignoring the other lurkers and never really brings much of anything worth talking about up just says the filter he checked wasn't that bad. Then he bites someone who he really shouldn't given his filter. So no it's scum This isn't part of the reason I am town-reading Skynx, but I don't like Damdred's push on Skynx either. A. His first line (where he asks why Skynx town-clearing is townie but him doing that is scummy) would be fine taken by itself because he's pointing out a possible inconsistency. However, it fits in with his overall pattern of only commenting on things that relate to him. It doesn't look like he actually cares about pushing a scum-read (Skynx) because his focus is on NU treating him differently to Skynx. It is another example of Damdred only focusing on himself. B. His points make no sense for him to use to scum-read Skynx when he himself admits that he was doing the same thing. According to his logic, that makes him scummy. If a townie was aware that they were doing questionable things, they would have rationalisations for why said things are helpful to the town. Therefore, that townie would be more inclined to town-read players who are acting similarly to them, because they can relate to that behaviour and have an explanation fresh in their minds for why said player is acting like that. So let's say that town!Damdred didn't push on anyone at EOD because he was busy. He sees Skynx not pushing on anyone. He would be more likely to assume that Skynx wasn't pushing anyone because of time constraints too. (bad example but I'm not saying this is what happened. I'm just trying to explain my thought process) So given this, why wouldn't Damdred assume that Skynx also has similar reasoning for acting like he was instead of jumping to the explanation that makes Skynx scum? C. This is another example of Damdred focusing on the easy targets in the thread: - His town-reads match up with popular opinion. - Sheep-voted on the shitty TT train, complete with horrible WIFOM conspiracy theories about scum bussing which cannot be backed up by anything in the thread. (focus on abstract theories > logical arguments) - He never discussed other lynch targets in any of his EOD posts. Why? Because the shitty TT train was already locked in at that point so why would he need to? Even Skynx, Palmar, etc were discussing other candidates. Regardless of how shitty said discussion was, it's better than just settling for a TT vote with NO comment. - After TT flipped, he threw shade on Grack and myself because "their defense of TT was weird" (which isn't the same as scum-motivated, just black sheep) and now focuses on Skynx after NU drew attention to this potential inconsistency. I have yet to see Damdred actually push a 'scum-read' BEFORE someone else did. Classic scum tactic of evading responsibility. - Let's not forget the "don't blame the TT voters, blame the people off the train" post. This was said AFTER HF and Superbia had made it clear that they were going to attack people off the TT train regardless of how TT flipped. Thus, this is a safe position for Damdred to take because he knows he'll have support in the thread already. - I am aware that he suddenly flipped and defended me against Super because he was 'playing devil's advocate'. I have no idea what the fuck he was doing there but it didn't give me good vibes. If he did that after getting pushback against a Calix train then I'm even more inclined to think he's scum because it felt like an awkward and insincere backtrack. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
On September 11 2016 06:15 Tumblewood wrote: or did TMI get changed to Takes Minimal Intelligence and no one told me? ok I'm done being snarky for now. just know that Hf and two people between super/damdred/palmar/shape are the scum team, and grack is #1 best townie in the game. The 2/3 people that want calix lynched are all tw's scum reads and the only thing tw thinks is a good idea is to make a TOWN case on a player his mafia reads are pushing that was really bad and didn't really display towniness at all. I seem ti remember mafia tw making tmi town cases on me and someone else mentioned it. It's really off, coupled with the 4 or 5 slips. | ||
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Holyflare
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Calix
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Damdred too, but I've just cased him. I feel like I'm being too reactive in my reads on HF/ Superbia and I'm inclined to keep a close eye on TW/ Palmar in case the scum are trying to pocket me. This makes perfect sense because I've been under some suspicion since Vivax dissected my opening posts so the scum have probably decided on how they are going to treat me by now. HF just reminds me of myself because I used to stupidly tunnel like he did so I can relate. (not AI, just means I can see where he's coming from as both alignments) Currently I don't think he's on a scum team with Damdred just because Damdred seems to be using HF to hide behind compared to actually collaborating with him. It's not impossible but I feel like "HF is tunnel-town who scum are using" makes more sense atm. Also @HF, if you think TW was TMI'ing in his Calix post, you should try reading it from the perspective where you know I am town and see if that theory holds true. Novel concept, I know. | ||
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Calix
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Holyflare
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Holyflare
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Calix
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Secondly, I meant "read the post and give examples of where you think TW TMI'd that I was town" because it sounded like that was just your initial impression and I was trying to get you to elaborate on that. | ||
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Holyflare
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Tw's plan this game is defend people that don't need defending for no reason and push me. Abd he's fucked up calling me town and he called tt town in a slip too although slips basically mean nothing but they're there. Basically i lynch people that make cases that can't possibly be made with the information normal people have. | ||
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Holyflare
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Holyflare
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He basically shut down my posts by saying "no that's not what he's thinking" DESPITE tt actually saying that is what he was thinking meaning tw was defending tt WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT HE SAID THIS GAME Best post in the game imo will quote later. | ||
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Calix
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On September 11 2016 21:04 Holyflare wrote: Because you're scummy to me and I'm a great player and you do look like you pick the correct wifom every time despite everything we say and lots of good players agree and i don't rate tw as an amazing top tier player yet he made an entire weak case on you being town and keeps yelling about it and it's pretty much the only substantial thing that he's done other than arguing how tt wasn't mafia (again tmi) despite tt doing mafia looking things and afking. He basically shut down my posts by saying "no that's not what he's thinking" DESPITE tt actually saying that is what he was thinking meaning tw was defending tt WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT HE SAID THIS GAME. Tw's plan this game is defend people that don't need defending for no reason and push me. Abd he's fucked up calling me town and he called tt town in a slip too although slips basically mean nothing but they're there. Basically i lynch people that make cases that can't possibly be made with the information normal people have. I used VCA, not WIFOM. My read on TT is all based on what was going on in the thread. If I had defended multiple town MLs then you'd have a point but I haven't. The concept of looking at votes in a game where there are no living TPRs should not be a novelty, lmao. "lots of good players agree" - Invalid argument. Consensus is not always correct, otherwise you'd never ML in majority-vote games. Also we must have different definitions of what a 'good player' is because I just see a bunch of lazy arseholes who people mindlessly defend because 'they CAN be useful' I am always skeptical of slips because I see a lot of townies 'slip' and get CFD'd. I've only seen like, three legit scum slips in the games I've played. I am going to look at TW now, one mo. I'm not opposed to a two-train approach here; I think that'll be a good direction to start off Day 2. | ||
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Holyflare
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Calix
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Calix
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Holyflare
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Very poor. | ||
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Holyflare
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On September 11 2016 21:19 Calix wrote: It always makes me laugh when people say "I don't care" because if you didn't, you wouldn't feel the need to tell me that you cared. Actually no it's because I love telling people they're opinions are worthless. | ||
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