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On September 11 2016 09:16 Damdred wrote:
I'm here always pulling you back in shape!
The most likely motivation is easy ml and being under the radar in a somewhat lazy and hf driven game that's contentious at points.
Other than that it's towny looking to consolidate at least.
As for tw idk I'm suspicious and vivax has fallen off a lot to.
Thank god! I was going to ask the dark lord to make your child be the love child of Slam, Chez, Moosy, me, and Race.
Eh. Easy ML would of be just agreeing with it. My problem, is that he openly contracts himself, and doesn't seem to care. Maybe it was to look more town, due to being on the part of the wagon that was against TT.
But why then vote TT? If that was his plan, then he could of wasted his vote on me/palmar/Tw/you. And harp how he didn't vote for TT, who he would of know flipped green.
God this must be like how people try to read my votes when I am scum.
TW i am bothered with due to him knowing better then to town read me for what he did (Which no one commented on it. How dare you people. You complain about my WoT's being useless, but don't read it.) and his overall play. I am a bit put off by his last game, and how he was there. But I litterly have to read his posts as:
Let's Make Tumblewood Great Again! One lost scum game a Time!
because they bother me so much. He should be doing much more than this. He should be a easy read for me.
He's not.
Vivax, I saw a post about superbia (the one where he first mentions superbia) and the timing was really off. It felt out of place entirely with how the thread was talking. The caselet on Superbia was nothing great either. And I barely can remember or care nough about the posts I am reading around 30-40
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On September 11 2016 09:25 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2016 09:22 Shapelog wrote:On September 10 2016 05:22 Damdred wrote:
So, hi. I have destroyed my phone by accidentally flushing it down the toilet.
So going to,be kinda not here as much until I get a new one. Will attempt to,catch up and make hf sheep me or sheep hf. Or lynch hf. Also three options possible (love you buddy) How do you even? I...... YOU ARE OUR CHAMPION FOR CRYING OUT LOUD! I was getting up put my phone on the back of the toilet flushed and the phone fell and I went... Nooooooooooooo, you were the chosen one.
My wife is somewhat upset at me.
I am upset with you.
And I don't have to even sleep with you yet.
btw, my fever is now 101.1, proving that mafia is a cure to the mental insane.
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I fucking hate this part of the game. The part where everyone buggers off after a lynch.
Alright. I am mostly caught up. Lets see if I cannot break out a Read list before tonight.
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Oh yeah, this thing. Its mostly for me to understand the thread better (which is why i do all my Wot's)
Catch up. From page 20 to page 50.
+ Show Spoiler +On September 09 2016 22:19 Calix wrote:Skynx COULD be mafia, sure, but I think my current scum team theory holds more weight. Granted, this will almost-always be the case because Skynx has not interacted with anyone so we'll see how he changes things if at all. I think this post relating to Grack/ TW/ TT are telling though. This was kind of what pinged me when I was catching up earlier. It felt like Grack/ TW were ganging up on HF with shoddy reasoning once TT was under fire. TW's 'paranoia' seems so damned convenient because it reads like he's wielding it to push back against HF. Show nested quote +On September 09 2016 17:00 Grackaroni wrote:On September 09 2016 14:11 Tumblewood wrote:On September 09 2016 12:40 Grackaroni wrote:
No but seriously. Since when is saying "I like this post" forced. What are you smoking HF? thank you for calling hf out. this is part of the reason I am paranoid. his claims come off as kinda skewed to fit his conclusion. not enough to pin him down as mafia though. grack, you can be town for now because you also had one post that made me laugh earlier That's pretty much my goal every game. I'm done crafting long posts at the start of games. I'm at the same place as you on Holyflare though. His case (removing the "I like this post" part) essentially states: *Ticktock made a wifomy entrance post. *Ticktock stated he dislikes talking about setups and then talked about the setup, which is a contradiction, but he'll have to sell me on why it's a scummy one. Would the post be scummy if he made his post without stating that setup discussion is boring? Also, to end up here after reading the posts seems like he's going way overboard. On September 09 2016 10:48 Holyflare wrote:
I will never in 1000 fiery years vote anyone other than ticktock today. And here I thought you hated pre-flip association. On September 09 2016 22:41 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2016 22:37 Holyflare wrote:
Like people picking up on the semantics of the wording are bad and should feel bad. Sure he didn't say that mechanics are useless but his mindset is off from what he's actually posting and it looks solely like he's trying to skate by with low content posts. But which is it?! Is he trying to skate by with low content posts or is he not coming back from dinner? He did have a better start in that last game. If he's actually just bad at playing as mafia I'll vote him. Also I did not hard defend him. What I did is what we call in the business a "chain saw defense." The idea is to hit the accuser with the chain saw while the other scummer has him distracted. Noting to see how this progressed. On September 09 2016 22:47 Vivax wrote:
What's up with superbia? A dozen one liners in a row, his plan is to get lynched, some of his speculation seemed misinformed. It's like he didn't sleep for 24 hours, drank a litre of coffee then started playing mafia. At least it looks like he's motivated to post. I am not too crazy about this post. Out of place comment on Superbia. Thread is talking about Skynx/Grack/TT/TW and Vivax randomly brings up Superbia out of no where. Nor contributes to the discussion about it. A bit of redemption for the bold. Still a iffy post for me. On September 10 2016 00:02 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2016 23:58 Skynx wrote:On September 09 2016 07:02 NeverUnlucky wrote:On September 09 2016 06:51 Skynx wrote:
New players: "Hmm I'm nervous about my entry post so lemme post some comments on game mechanics to be safe"
Where are you going with this? Do you scum-read us both? Posts without conclusions like this one aren't worth much.
On September 09 2016 06:46 Tictock wrote:
Aw shucks, my streak of rolling town has come to an end.
Guess I wont be posting much so I don't accidentally give you guys info. Lel. Oh man okay excuse my ignorance why didn't you tell you are a tryhard from the start so I could ignore you anyway. So see the problem here. I pointed out the problem with your opener. You say if I don't scum read you based on it my post is worthless. In meantime Vivax posted the same shit just writing a bit more stuff then you guys argued three pages over use of pronouns and shit. Ignoring players who scum-read you -- deflection/apathy. You still don't answer the question. Deflection. SKYNX NEEDS MORE VOTES. NU. Let me teach you a lesson. Some people....You know.... Just don't care about being Scum readed. Especially early on, when they should be focusing on making content. On September 10 2016 00:03 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2016 23:54 Skynx wrote:On September 09 2016 23:51 NeverUnlucky wrote:On September 09 2016 23:47 Skynx wrote:
Anyway I'll just comment on stuff as I go along the game, will answer stuff here aswell if u like. Again, another scumtell (which I've explained in an answer to Grock's post). Okay I will ignore your posts here until I catchup if you wish so. Your push has no logical credit to it anyway. Nice attempt to discredit me while refuting none of my points. I am kinda meh about NU's stance here. Kinda feels like scum trying to discredit based off the tone of this one and the last post quoted. I am trying to figure out better on how to explain it. I think the best way to say it, is that NU's tone here feels like he is trying to overstate how creditable his position is in the thread. And is trying to sound like the better man, then trying to scum hunt. So that others join the read on Skynx. On September 10 2016 00:08 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2016 00:08 Superbia wrote:
My solution is usually to read the thread but not the content of posts. Especially long posts. People have boring opinions that are usually wrong and always inferior to my own. I usually read entire posts of Race, is something wrong with me? You might need to go get tested for HIV, and every other sexually transmitted disease. On September 10 2016 00:13 Vivax wrote:A simple summary/caselet of scummy shit superbia did: - Spammed the early game up with the stream thingy cause it tends to get people townread, got sloppy about it for the sake of spamming and made the mistake about the roles. - While having a circle of suspects of TW/TT/Grack, the best question that comes to his mind for Calix is about NeverU, literally the guy calix talked about the most so far. Any other question could have been more productive. Calix opinion on NeverU was already fairly obvious from earlier convos. - That question wasn't related to superbias current circle of suspects -> ergo it was just a question to appear active, get people to talk about what they want to talk. And on top of it, it was a question easy for Calix to answer given that her opinion on NU is probably the most fleshed out in the game. - One point that isn't as important to me, but still relevant: The fact he had the same early scumreads as HF but somehow didn't relate to what HF wrote about them, or talked about HFs posts on them. This usually wouldn't be a problem if superbia actually brought up points of his own that seemed better to him than HFs points, but since I don't really see anything explaining why TT is mafia, this isn't the case. Show nested quote +On September 09 2016 22:03 Superbia wrote:On September 09 2016 21:55 Holyflare wrote:
How are both those people related?
(shit did someone say something earlier and now my thread reading is a lie?) They're both in this game. I have been inclined to group them together though I believe this has been covered by Calix before. TW's read on TT seemed non-existent and kind of forced. Plus he was willing to ignore your push on him because of 'paranoia'. Felt awkward. Like "look at how townie-paranoid I am" while not committing to anything. This is the reason superbia believes them to be suspect. It looks entirely based on TWs read on TT. You tell me if that's a good reason. Follow up from Vivax about Superbia was meh. Point 1 I don't love. 2 is a ok point to make. 3, too early in the game to state this IMO. You should sus. everyone (or talk to everyone) till halfway through Day 1. 4 is WIFOM reasoning. Doesn't make me feel any better about it. On September 10 2016 00:49 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2016 00:03 Calix wrote:
NU vs Skynx is getting dumb. All I'm seeing is NU conflating contribution with alignment and Skynx getting annoyed.
NU, maybe back off and see what Skynx does when they finish catching up/ are not playing Overwatch or what the fuck ever and then resume this. truth nu vs. skynx is TvT. as long as skynx isn't voting me I will sheep him because I am 90ish percent sure he's town and his voting record is about twice as good as mine. this subject to change if/when I lose confidence in that read or get pissed at someone This is really fucking strange from Tumble. I have never seen Tumble act like this besides the last game he played in. He was town that game, but.... Just it doesn't feel like at all how tumble plays. Tumble as town is pretty good, and for him to vote with Skynx based off of Previous game vote records...... I don't even know what to make of it. It just like Tumble flipped the Good Town play-style switch off. NU voices what I would say (minus meta.) + Show Spoiler +On September 10 2016 00:59 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2016 00:54 Tumblewood wrote:
actually I am too waffly on NU to call him fully town just yet. he is too experienced and too wtf for me to make a newbie call. but I think he is town, even though he does stupid shit like have 5 scumreads or argue about how I need to explain everything This is my 7th FM game. I'm not too experienced for anyone to read. How the fuck do you call me too experienced and newbie in the same sentence?There are two methods to find the scum: 1. Go for town-reads and find scum by PoE. 2. Find the scumminess in players' posts. We all use both manners, but we tend to favor one over the other. For instance, Damdred only has town-reads so far, so he has a preference for 1., while I have 5 scum-reads, so I like 2. better. Having 5 scum-reads is neither stupid nor AI. How about... ... you actually explain 'everything'? I won't ask you to explain anything if you do explain them, zzz. Did either misread or misrep. Tumble though. Never stated he was both newbie and expereinced. Maybe I need to reconsider my earlier point about the tone of NU. It still bothers me, but it just could be how he plays. Will filter and see afterwards. On September 10 2016 04:20 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2016 00:58 Superbia wrote:On September 10 2016 00:54 Tumblewood wrote:
actually I am too waffly on NU to call him fully town just yet. he is too experienced and too wtf for me to make a newbie call. but I think he is town, even though he does stupid shit like have 5 scumreads or argue about how I need to explain everything Cool talk about mafia pls. idk who that is. I think hf's points on tt are mostly blown out of proportion if that's what you mean. posts are created faster than I can read and post about them all so until 2:15ish (pst) I can't really do that Show nested quote +On September 10 2016 00:59 NeverUnlucky wrote:On September 10 2016 00:54 Tumblewood wrote:
actually I am too waffly on NU to call him fully town just yet. he is too experienced and too wtf for me to make a newbie call. but I think he is town, even though he does stupid shit like have 5 scumreads or argue about how I need to explain everything This is my 7th FM game. I'm not too experienced for anyone to read. How the fuck do you call me too experienced and newbie in the same sentence? There are two methods to find the scum: 1. Go for town-reads and find scum by PoE. 2. Find the scumminess in players' posts. We all use both manners, but we tend to favor one over the other. For instance, Damdred only has town-reads so far, so he has a preference for 1., while I have 5 scum-reads, so I like 2. better. Having 5 scum-reads is neither stupid nor AI. How about... ... you actually explain 'everything'? I won't ask you to explain anything if you do explain them, zzz. ok only seven games means you can probably be read by the tells I use for newbies, which leads me to call you town will be back soon (TM) At this point, your crappyness must mean your scum. Just, Your posts make me cringe. Their that bad. From now on, I am going to say this, Make Tumblewood Great again. One Lost scum game a Time.Whenever I need to comment on your posts. On September 10 2016 02:16 Holyflare wrote:
all of your posts come off like you have a massive stick rammed so far up your arse that you're poking people in the eyes with it by speaking HF SEES IT TOO! So I am not alone with the fact NU Tone seems like a Mafioso. On September 10 2016 02:32 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2016 01:38 NeverUnlucky wrote:On September 10 2016 01:34 Calix wrote:
Uh yes? People generally have opinions on popular topics of discussion, especially when suspects are being discussed. Why would you not want to give yours? Even if you don't think you have anything new to add, saying something like "I agree with X" is still better than nothing. What is your take on the Vivax - Superbia showdown hen? What game are you referring to, Hype Mafia? Please tell me you aren't going to go read other games to meta-read someone/understand someone's behavior... So associations/ narratives? duh I prefer to have the person I'm talking to answer my posts, not a spokesperson. I don't consider it a 'showdown' actually, just two people being jumpy around each other. Vivax analysed some of Superbia's posts, Superbia responded and Vivax repeated the points when stating his scum-read on Superbia. Also Superbia accused Vivax of OMGUS which seemed out of nowhere, but I don't remember Superbia's previous scum-read on Vivax. Granted, I only skim-read it so this opinion is shit, but nothing Vivax pointed out is that scummy (seemed more theoretical, like when he was saying "Superbia could be trying to make Calix scum-read NU", so stuff like that is too...abstract (for lack of a better word) to appeal to me) I didn't see anything that only scum would do from either of them. I might reread that later and revise my 'thoughts' but don't hold your breath. lmao. This game is active/ spammy enough for me. Hell no am I going to look at this thread and decide "ah yes I shall spend time reading another game". I haven't properly looked through any 'filters' yet if I am honest. I'd rather try and motivate myself to do that before EOD and see if I can find something. That whole 'finding shit that only scum would say' is why I'm not full-on scum-reading Vivax, by the way, because while scum COULD play like him, I don't recall him doing anything that only scum would do. Don't know if that makes much sense but that's where my thoughts are atm with him. I really like this post! Townie tone, Townie mindset, it really is just a very obv. townie post. I mean, I had the tinfoil that Cal was Nerco, but I cannot prove it. Plus the way she distalked the LW thinking about it now, makes me think that it wasn't a plan move for LW control. Town. On September 10 2016 02:53 fuba wrote:
I'd thought that "lynchbait" is when a player is prone to attracting votes as town, which would indicate a TW town read from NU, given that he doesn't have any knowledge of TW's meta. And I was well aware that this is contrary to his general thoughts on TW at that point in the game. That's why I wouldn't really revisit it unless TW flips town (if/when that happens). I.E. if TW flips town, this could have been a slip.
Actually, mentioning that he's lynchbait is counterproductive to getting TW lynched, so why even mention it? Gonna need to think about this more after work - need my computer in front of me XD What? I...I mean...Um...Nice tinfoil? Let's make Tumblewood Great again! One scum game lost a time!But really, It isn't worth bothering with slips from a personal view point. Easy for scum to screw you over with. On September 10 2016 04:06 Skynx wrote:
Shape is being shape and posting walls of comments on stuff. You have any reads bro, particularly on fuba and hf? Bonus points for relating gif.
Ouch. From here, I stopped commenting on things to get caught up.
Spoilered because it is quite long, and really is hard to understand. Going to TLDR and make a read list giving my thoughts tomorrow or tonight.
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On September 11 2016 07:52 NeverUnlucky wrote:I've reviewed Skynx's EoD filter, and I am mixed. For one, I can see his train of though evolving through his posts, and so his vote didn't feel forced. For two, and this point is sort of a contradiction to point one, he said that he was going to vote for Show nested quote +On September 11 2016 03:51 Skynx wrote:On September 11 2016 03:49 Calix wrote:
Skynx, pls give your ideal targets instead of making an open-ended appeal. Palmar, Shape, Super. Possibly Damdred. He then started to argue with HF saying that his reasoning was bad and that he should feel bad. After, he says this Show nested quote +On September 11 2016 05:00 Skynx wrote:On September 11 2016 04:58 Vivax wrote:On September 11 2016 04:55 Tumblewood wrote:
yo calix, Damdred's meta D1 as town is to try and form a town circle (and to a lesser extent all game). he is also a valuable townie because that is a useful strategy. His scum play has become really good. I won't lynch him D1 by default but I'm certainly still open to the idea of him being mafia. If he actually lynched mafia at some point ahead that would make things easier. HF and Palmar are roughly in the same category. The idea of the town circle is only as good as the town circle itself, so don't really see any grounds for this being a reason to TR Damdred. The point is we're not lynching Damdred today. We need to form some sort of circle and decide on something. Let's ignore Palmar cuz ppl don't want to lynch him, which of Super, Shape, TT you want to lynch most? Show nested quote +On September 11 2016 05:06 Skynx wrote:
Shape's filter is ever so slightly better than I originally anticipated, I'm voting TT. Somehow TT sneaked into his lynch pool without previous notice. It's a big contradiction considering he disagreed with HF. For three, he says this Show nested quote +On September 11 2016 05:16 Skynx wrote:
Calix, if there is no obv scum plynches are ok D1. HF is trying to paint TT as scum but just ignore that its a plynch. He says that HF is painting TT as scum, but then votes him and says that it's a PL? I understand that he didn't have a strong scum-read, but voting someone who he acknowledges has aa shitty train on him is brutally bad when there were other possible PLs he himself proposed. The rest of his posts felt town, nothing to report. Conclusion: Despite his actions not matching his words and acting shady, I still think that Skynx is town because of his tone, his attempts to town-hunt (and thus scum-hunting by poe), his uncertainty, and his reasoning. Thoughts?
Very goos point my friend i agree
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I'm not here i have frienes and obligations
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On September 11 2016 09:52 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2016 07:52 NeverUnlucky wrote:I've reviewed Skynx's EoD filter, and I am mixed. For one, I can see his train of though evolving through his posts, and so his vote didn't feel forced. For two, and this point is sort of a contradiction to point one, he said that he was going to vote for On September 11 2016 03:51 Skynx wrote:On September 11 2016 03:49 Calix wrote:
Skynx, pls give your ideal targets instead of making an open-ended appeal. Palmar, Shape, Super. Possibly Damdred. He then started to argue with HF saying that his reasoning was bad and that he should feel bad. After, he says this On September 11 2016 05:00 Skynx wrote:On September 11 2016 04:58 Vivax wrote:On September 11 2016 04:55 Tumblewood wrote:
yo calix, Damdred's meta D1 as town is to try and form a town circle (and to a lesser extent all game). he is also a valuable townie because that is a useful strategy. His scum play has become really good. I won't lynch him D1 by default but I'm certainly still open to the idea of him being mafia. If he actually lynched mafia at some point ahead that would make things easier. HF and Palmar are roughly in the same category. The idea of the town circle is only as good as the town circle itself, so don't really see any grounds for this being a reason to TR Damdred. The point is we're not lynching Damdred today. We need to form some sort of circle and decide on something. Let's ignore Palmar cuz ppl don't want to lynch him, which of Super, Shape, TT you want to lynch most? On September 11 2016 05:06 Skynx wrote:
Shape's filter is ever so slightly better than I originally anticipated, I'm voting TT. Somehow TT sneaked into his lynch pool without previous notice. It's a big contradiction considering he disagreed with HF. For three, he says this On September 11 2016 05:16 Skynx wrote:
Calix, if there is no obv scum plynches are ok D1. HF is trying to paint TT as scum but just ignore that its a plynch. He says that HF is painting TT as scum, but then votes him and says that it's a PL? I understand that he didn't have a strong scum-read, but voting someone who he acknowledges has aa shitty train on him is brutally bad when there were other possible PLs he himself proposed. The rest of his posts felt town, nothing to report. Conclusion: Despite his actions not matching his words and acting shady, I still think that Skynx is town because of his tone, his attempts to town-hunt (and thus scum-hunting by poe), his uncertainty, and his reasoning. Thoughts? Very goos point my friend i agree
goos is obv code word for bad.
(Hf what is your thoughts on it yourself?)
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hey shape, I'm here, but not really in the mood to think right now. could you explain what you said about me a couple posts before the one with the giant spoiler?
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On September 11 2016 10:07 Holyflare wrote:
I'm not here i have frienes and obligations
Another misspell? With the same letter?
That makes me wonder.
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the show that brings town play to its knees
So, what is up with the absence of the letter D, on HF's posts? We can tell that a D is missing, since both good and friends both have D's in them. Therefore, why is HF almost dodging the letter D? Does he not like D's? Was he scared with By a Big D monster?
The answer is no.
HF just cannot be arsed to spell words right. It is actually a pivotal point in his play. By disregarding to spell words right, he throws people like me, grammar nazis, off his trail. Resulting in us being more focused in his spelling, then the actually content.
But that is just a theroyizer, a Mafia Theroyizer!
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On September 11 2016 10:12 Tumblewood wrote:
hey shape, I'm here, but not really in the mood to think right now. could you explain what you said about me a couple posts before the one with the giant spoiler?
You basically didn't/don't act at like I know you to do as town. Your attitude, the way your attacking the thread, is off. Your not posting beautiful works of content. Your not having the same thought process I associative you to have (inquisitive/logical) and you just feel lazy overall. There is also problems with your logic. Your read on me earlier makes no sense IMO. I have shown to you, multiple times, that I talk set up in thread as either alignment. Hell, Storm was me trying to convince town that 3rd party existed, and was basically my set up talk that brought back the win for me.
Also the sheeping post, where you just say skynx (IIRC) is a good sheep due to voting records from past game I found ridiculous. Your sheeping a player, based off of things outside the game? It makes no sense.
So finally, we are here:
Let's Make Tumblewood great again! One lost scum game a time!
Because I refuse to believe your town, and your like this. The only thing that gives me a little ray of hope is your past game you played.
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this whole game is divided in half
me, grack, fuba, calix, NU, skynx
vs
shape, Hf, super, palmar
with Damdred and vivax chilling on the side
this is not healthy for town. I think the piece we're missing is convincing everyone who was on tictock that calix isn't mafia for being off him. I should do that sometime
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Going to bed in 5.
On September 11 2016 10:46 Holyflare wrote:
I like you shape
God,
How many of you people are going to fight for my love?
I AM TAKEN!
On September 11 2016 11:03 Tumblewood wrote:
this whole game is divided in half
me, grack, fuba, calix, NU, skynx
vs
shape, Hf, super, palmar
with Damdred and vivax chilling on the side
this is not healthy for town. I think the piece we're missing is convincing everyone who was on tictock that calix isn't mafia for being off him. I should do that sometime
How did you get this?
Calix I TR. NU and Skynx on same team? After what NU just posted? Grack idk (mainly because nothing stood out to me) and fuba is a shrug till I sit down and read his filter. Super is okish off what I have read on him. Palmar is apperently afkville. And HF..
Well HF is HF. Honestly waiting for him to fakeclaim this game.
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I very much like Shapelog's spoiler post. He made some original and good points I can agree with on TW, Skynx, and even me.
It's hard to believe he is a grammar nazi with his spelling however.
@TW -- The game is not as clear cut as you make it to be. For instance, I am not against HF, Shape nor Super. I have liked both Super and Shape's recent post and still think that HF is town. It's much more complex than 'Group 1 vs Group 2'.
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Well Good night.
"It's hard to believe he is a grammar nazi with his spelling however."
I have written disgraphia. And after years of learning the English grammar, whenever I see something wrong, I have to correct it. But, I don't enter this mode when I type for myself.
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On September 11 2016 11:03 Tumblewood wrote:
this whole game is divided in half
me, grack, fuba, calix, NU, skynx
vs
shape, Hf, super, palmar
with Damdred and vivax chilling on the side
this is not healthy for town. I think the piece we're missing is convincing everyone who was on tictock that calix isn't mafia for being off him. I should do that sometime
This isn't us against them and you're the only one thinking that at all.
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Why Calix isn't scum
First of all: It is best first to ignore the Tictock wagon/flip and to look at Calix's posting style. Look big picture. Calix posting entirely from a townie mindset. He has consistently put himself out there with his reads and has been unafraid to call out bullshit. He is willing to confront people, inquisitive, and, above all, he is so clearly trying his hardest to help town.
+ Show Spoiler [Some examples of what I mean] +On September 09 2016 07:31 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2016 07:16 NeverUnlucky wrote:On September 09 2016 07:05 Calix wrote:
Using the correct pronouns is not a scum tell and never will be. You just used it yourself in your last line because it's a common word in the English language.
Also seriously? You are aware that I moved to a different site to get AWAY from crappy meta reads and the first thing you do is give me shit via a crappy meta read? It's a very mild scum tell and always will be. Yes, I used it in my last line... in a different context. The "we" I used referred to you and me, not the town. Nice misrep attempt. Ugh, I know, and I apologize. I won't use meta anymore. :3 In regards to your LW point: you stated that town should use surnames/quotes to refer to X player and then mentioned that scum can manipulate LWs. So you knew that what you were going to say wasn't going to be helpful for town anyways. Why did you feel the need to mention this? What do you think of my first post? How did you think that town had PRs before they were lynched? It's a PRONOUN. Bloody Hell, if you're going to start a tunnel based on this, you're going to be useless. That wasn't a misrep because I was using it to say that your point sucked, not to discredit you. Scum can only manipulate LWs twice. The game is going to go on for more than two nights. There is going to be at least one accurate LW in there, no? Don't care to look. Where did I imply this again? I forget. Show nested quote +On September 09 2016 07:19 Vivax wrote:On September 09 2016 07:05 Calix wrote:On September 09 2016 07:00 Vivax wrote:On September 09 2016 06:55 Calix wrote:On September 09 2016 06:46 Shapelog wrote:This point might be moot, however, as I don't know how anyone here plays or if anyone would qualify as policy-lynch material. (save for NU who I wouldn't consider a policy lynch)
PL's here basically refer to Meta, inactivity, Behavior, or just the basics of scum hunting (I.E. Obv scum) I am guessing when you said NU cannot be a PL, you meant activity right? I mean activity, yeah. On September 09 2016 06:46 Vivax wrote:On September 09 2016 06:37 Calix wrote:
It doesn't look like you guys do RVS and I don't relate to the few posts being made so far, so I'l just chip in with some thoughts on the setup. Not seeing anything particularly eye-popping aside from the following:
- Names aren't allowed in Last Wills but if you wanted to reference a player (e.g., say you're a Sheriff-Vig who wanted to say "I checked X/ this player is innocent/ guilty") then you could quote some post numbers by said player, quote something they said, etc. I don't think LWs will be that useful for the protectives unless nobody died on a certain night because telling the scum who was protected last night in the event of a kill just needlessly gives the scum information on what the healing roles are thinking. If anyone knows what the Doctor roles would even need to tell the town (aside from telling us who they scum-read or something) then I'm all ears.
- There's always the chance that the scum can interfere with the message being given. Although they can only rewrite LWs twice, we can't rely on the LWs much but I think it's good to establish a way for the dead townies to communicate with the rest of the thread because I'm not seeing a way that the scum manipulation of the LWs/ votes can be prevented.
- We might want to be careful with policy lynching apathetic/ inactive players or being sloppy with CFDs in general. I've been told that TL is more open to policy lynches compared to where I come from, but since lynched players become Sheriff-Vigs, I think it would be suboptimal play to give lazy players a KPN in the early stages. This point might be moot, however, as I don't know how anyone here plays or if anyone would qualify as policy-lynch material. (save for NU who I wouldn't consider a policy lynch)
Anyway, hi. It's pretty late for me so if I randomly drop off, don't be surprised. Bolded seems like fluff tbh cause you don't seem to have any own ideas to contribute for this part. "we have to find out what to do" . Who would've thought.Your last point is also pretty uninformative. It's like you're suggesting not to lynch. Doesn't look as bad as your second though. But still. You get a bit of benefit of the doubt for this being your first game here, but if somebody is meh for me right now it's you. My point says we shouldn't rely too much on LWs but that establishing good communication with the dead is important. While that's not some profound insight, there are clearly ideas being expressed here. What are you even referring to with the bolded part? Because it bears no resemblance to anything I said. "suggesting not to lynch" - No, I said we shouldn't rush into a lynch or policy-lynch early on. Nowhere did I imply that we shouldn't lynch. (which isn't even possible, lol) "benefit of the doubt" - No I don't. Just because I'm new to the site doesn't mean I'm clueless. What do you mean with "we should establish a way for dead townies to communicate" then? Cause to me it reads exactly like "we should do stuff" without having an idea of how to implement such a feat. I just suggested a way in which Sheriffs could communicate their results to the town by saying "they can get around the no-names rule by using post numbers" which is literally giving a suggestion as to how we communicate with the dead.On September 09 2016 07:00 NeverUnlucky wrote:On September 09 2016 06:46 Vivax wrote:On September 09 2016 06:37 Calix wrote:
It doesn't look like you guys do RVS and I don't relate to the few posts being made so far, so I'l just chip in with some thoughts on the setup. Not seeing anything particularly eye-popping aside from the following:
- Names aren't allowed in Last Wills but if you wanted to reference a player (e.g., say you're a Sheriff-Vig who wanted to say "I checked X/ this player is innocent/ guilty") then you could quote some post numbers by said player, quote something they said, etc. I don't think LWs will be that useful for the protectives unless nobody died on a certain night because telling the scum who was protected last night in the event of a kill just needlessly gives the scum information on what the healing roles are thinking. If anyone knows what the Doctor roles would even need to tell the town (aside from telling us who they scum-read or something) then I'm all ears.
- There's always the chance that the scum can interfere with the message being given. Although they can only rewrite LWs twice, we can't rely on the LWs much but I think it's good to establish a way for the dead townies to communicate with the rest of the thread because I'm not seeing a way that the scum manipulation of the LWs/ votes can be prevented.
- We might want to be careful with policy lynching apathetic/ inactive players or being sloppy with CFDs in general. I've been told that TL is more open to policy lynches compared to where I come from, but since lynched players become Sheriff-Vigs, I think it would be suboptimal play to give lazy players a KPN in the early stages. This point might be moot, however, as I don't know how anyone here plays or if anyone would qualify as policy-lynch material. (save for NU who I wouldn't consider a policy lynch)
Anyway, hi. It's pretty late for me so if I randomly drop off, don't be surprised. Bolded seems like fluff tbh cause you don't seem to have any own ideas to contribute for this part. "we have to find out what to do" . Who would've thought. Your last point is also pretty uninformative. It's like you're suggesting not to lynch. Doesn't look as bad as your second though. But still. You get a bit of benefit of the doubt for this being your first game here, but if somebody is meh for me right now it's you. Also, she infered that town had PRs before they were lynched which shows she didn't correctly read the setup. It's NAI, but To add to your point about her fluff: she used words like "we" -- Scum tend to use those words more than town to fit in the group. Scum!Calix uses "we" a lot. She ends her post with an excuse to why she wouldn't post in the upcoming hours. It's something scum tends to do more, but it still is NAI. Scum-reading Calix. @Vivax, don't give me or her the benefit of the doubt because we're "new", we aren't. We're both familiar to mafia. Giving either of us (especially her) a chance, it could be all we need to fly under your radar. Using the correct pronouns is not a scum tell and never will be. You just used it yourself in your last line because it's a common word in the English language. Also seriously? You are aware that I moved to a different site to get AWAY from crappy meta reads and the first thing you do is give me shit via a crappy meta read? But that's about your first point, not the second one. Which makes it look to me like your second one might as well not be there. Proceeding with the dissection: There's always the chance that the scum can interfere with the message being given. -> yes, but what's the point of saying this. Although they can only rewrite LWs twice, we can't rely on the LWs much -> And yet you suggest a plan that seems to deem them important. but I think it's good to establish a way for the dead townies to communicate with the rest of the thread because I'm not seeing a way that the scum manipulation of the LWs/ votes can be prevented. -> Cause scum can manipulate LW, you want LW to be reliable communication? These two statements don't mesh together. Why? Cause scum can manipulate LW, no LWs are reliable. Main point being: I found your second point there to just be fluff. The point is that we can't trust the messages too much but that it's still a good idea for the dead town to try and communicate with the rest of the thread anyhow. (trying to post correct information > not trying at all) I'm not sure how saying "hey, here are some ways that the town could try to communicate info via their LWs" is a bad thing. I also didn't say "LWs are reliable" and openly said that we shouldn't trust them...which is something that you note in the rest of your post. I'm not seeing how you're concluding half the things that you are from my posts. On September 09 2016 08:11 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2016 08:03 NeverUnlucky wrote:On September 09 2016 07:59 Damdred wrote:
Vivax is obviously town for today and I wouldn't lynch him until d2-3 even if he wasn't doing God's work today. Though his posts have been pretty nice even if I disagree at points.
And I am sort of scum hunting you just don't like the how which isn't of consequence nor a reason to scum read me.
And shape is one of more interesting scum players on site, so I'll always hold out on him. You didn't explain your read on him, LMAO. "Obvious town" doesn't convince anybody (Maybe Eggy). Which points do you disagree with? How are you scum-hunting? I don't recall reading any of your posts with a comment as to why X would be scum nor pointing out the fallacies in people's posts. Explain. Can you cut the crap with referring to Eggy every game? Nobody here knows who you're talking about and it's petty. Pointing out fallacies =/= scum-hunting. Going "oh you misrepped me and made an appeal to emotion" isn't the same thing as detailed analysis. Vivax's post that I responded to is a MUCH better example of legit scum-hunting even if he's wrong. Maybe try emulating that instead of going "boom! Found a scum tell, gg no re" I don't agree with Damdred that he's scum-hunting. He claims to be using POE (with town-reads) but that is not the same thing imo. Otherwise not sure what he would be referring to. On September 09 2016 09:31 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2016 09:24 Tumblewood wrote:
there is one thing I have on Shapelog that makes me feel really smart. I think he is town because of his setup spec early game, because it shows that he is genuinely interested and not doing it for town cred because setup spec is generally something people scumread you for. not 100% but I'm sticking with it.
other people:
vivax is probably town just for tone and care-ness
calix looks town and NU looks scum to me. even though their entrances were the same from a surface-level point of view, calix feels more genuine and helpful.
Damdred interests me but I do not yet have feelings toward his alignment "Doing X gets you scum-read so anyone who does X is town because scum don't want to risk the negative attention" - Isn't this argument based around WIFOM? I don't know what this site's view towards setup spec is but I consider it NAI. It's commonplace on my home site. I don't disagree with the conclusion but I dislike the reasoning. Your NU scum-read doesn't make sense. Why would the fact that I 'feel more genuine and helpful' have an impact on what NU's alignment is? You just used someone else to give a scum-read on another player. You say our entrances are the same on the 'surface level' so how do they differ underneath that then? So Damdred's a null? Not sure why you included him - why does he interest you? On September 11 2016 00:38 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2016 23:27 Holyflare wrote:
I mean who says they've skimmed and haven't read properly and asks why there's votes on me but then in the same post explains why there's two people voting me????????????
ALSO who decides to note vote someone based on good evidence just because they semi don't read the 3!!!!! out of 13 people on the wagon????
Not to mention I'm pretty sure she town read me and agreed with my points.
Also first 1/3 of filter is arguments with her town read NU.
Rest of it is just lots of giving out free wishy washy town reads and flip flopping on vivax, I think there's one real case but that's on town Fuba. I was asking for a case for why they thought you were scum because things like "his cases aren't as good as they are when town" aren't something I can give an opinion on because I don't know your meta. I've also explained my thought process in regards to TT which is clearly shown in my filter. I initially scum-read him, then had doubts about his static train and the people voting him and then I switched my vote after reading fuba's filter. That's also a horrible characterisation of my filter. I had scum-read Grack/ TT/ TW together earlier, then revised that when I read fuba's filter and my town-reads aren't 'wishy-washy' whatsoever. I stated who they were and why and that was that. You haven't explained how fuba is town as of yet. In fact, NOBODY has. Why is everyone just ignoring him?Also, she slipped when she talked about setup spec, saying that town had PRs. Someone who rolled town would know which town roles are in the game. That's the first thing they would check. Additionally, her LW talk seemed coming from a mafia trying to appear like he's helping town perspective. It in no way helped town. If anything, her proposition would have given mafia more freedom to frame those LWs. btw, I will not post a LW. Any LW attached to my death is a framed one. There's also the meta points that make her 100% mafia in my eyes. I will list them later if need be. @Calix, they're not the shitty meta-reads you usually get scum-read for i.e. being much less active than usual. They're actual things you've only said as scum and will only say as scum. I didn't say town had PRs to begin with. I already explained what I meant there...? You have no meta points on me. It's impossible for you to have any because you've only read ONE scum game of mine from FIVE MONTHS AGO. One game =/= meta. Again, you have no idea what my scum meta is. You're too focused on 'scum slips' which aren't scummy so I expect anything I say will be ignored by you. Honestly. On September 11 2016 03:25 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2016 03:22 Damdred wrote:
You are again avoiding answering the initial questions and trying to call me terrible for the truth is laughable to say the least I answered your questions. Make better ones next time that don't require abstract answers. Your attempt at painting my response as evasive has been noted. (there are more but no one would read them all anyway)
"But Tumblewood," you ask, "how can you ignore that Calix had TMI with Tictock?"
Ah ha ha haaa. What a silly question. Calix didn't have TMI at all.
Right here is where Calix first shows wariness of the wagon on TT. Keep in mind that before this Calix was scumreading TT.
On September 11 2016 01:55 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2016 01:47 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Calix, since you don't s-r the Vivax anymore and are leaving fuba alone for today, who's in your sights for today's lynch? Good question. I don't have a fucking clue. Grackaroni is looking townier the more he posts; nobody else scum-reads fuba; I town-read Vivax, you, Superbia, Palmar (shitty town-read but still); TT's train is shitty and if he's scum, then the scum are doing a horrendous job at diverting it (hardly anyone has questioned it which makes me wary)...I'm starting to feel like a lot of the scum are among the lurkers and I don't know how to sort them. Either that, or they are the sort who are good at looking townie on Day 1.
He cites how easily the wagon formed (which is intelligent and indicative of + Show Spoiler [cough cough] +scum supporting a mislynch
And right here is the dichotomy that everyone should have seen:
On September 11 2016 02:31 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2016 02:25 NeverUnlucky wrote:Yes, moron. I really appreciate you going into the game with the intent to use meta when you knew full well that I moved to a different site precisely to avoid being 'meta-read' for retarded reasons. Thanks a fucking lot for ruining that. It was not my intent. I only came to this point after seeing you copy-paste your scumtelling post from FF7. I still apologize for doing it. I couldn't resist throwing meta in my read. Slap me. Instead of wasting more of my time with personality tests, try asking something useful I did. I asked you who was your target today. What the fuck are you talking about? I didn't copy-paste shit and why the actual fuck would anyone copy a post made in a SCUM GAME? I don't know. I just think that Tictock is going to end in a mislynch because nobody is doing anything to stop his train. Grackaroni spent more time explaining how his posts weren't defending Tictock than he actually did diverting the train and I know I am town. That can ONLY MEAN TWO THINGS: 1. He is town. 2. The entire scum team are so inactive that they don't give a fuck about stopping a lynch on their team mate. Option 1 is infinitely more likely but I'm not sure how to stop it. I'll going to reread Holyflare given that he's the only alternative at the moment and I've yet to read his filter properly. I don't really town-read him but I don't scum-read him much either. Since I town-read you, your thoughts on him?
He continues for the rest of the day to support his read and try to convince town of why they should get off TT.
+ Show Spoiler [More support he gives this read] +On September 11 2016 03:02 Calix wrote:
The whole "scum could be pushing another lynch" argument doesn't really check out with the current votes. I see nobody trying to make a push for someone who isn't TT.
Maybe I'll be proven wrong and we end up CFD'ing within like, the last half an hour or so but right now? Nah. On September 11 2016 03:02 Calix wrote:
Also there are more people defending the "TT is scum who his team mates don't want to risk defending" angle than there are people actually defending TT, lmao. On September 11 2016 03:16 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2016 03:13 Damdred wrote:
Why would scum defend scum when that scum isn't trying? Why would scum not hop onto,the tt wagon and solidify it when he's a easy lynch and no,real reprocussions?
Both questions are wifom but both have to be answered for your position calix If both questions are WIFOM then how am I supposed to answer them exactly...? We don't KNOW what the scum are thinking. I am just going to the simplest conclusion of "TT is town and the scum are allowing him to get MLed" My theory only assumes that TT is town and the scum are not trying to defend him. Any other theories assume he is scum and that scum are using WIFOM in their strategies. On September 11 2016 03:48 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2016 03:45 Holyflare wrote:On September 11 2016 03:27 Calix wrote:On September 11 2016 03:24 Holyflare wrote:On September 11 2016 03:10 Calix wrote:On September 11 2016 03:07 Holyflare wrote:
Calix you're either mafia or you don't know when you're wifoming.
Mafia can do anything they want at any point in the game and you don't know our meta. If anyone was throwing suspicions away from tt for no valid reason it would be you.
Tt has three votes, tt has not come back to post, people ARE defending tt etc etc.
Stop talking around people's posts and what THEY have done and talking about wifom scenarios it's bad play regardless of your alignment.
You should pick a person to mafia read and post why they are mafia for reasons rhey have done. I know I am town. Why would I say "oh yeah I am defending TT so he must be mafia being defended"? No, I don't know the meta. That doesn't make my point invalid. What are you even arguing here, that since nobody is defending him that he is still scum that the scum aren't trying to defend? Otherwise what is your point with WIFOM? No idea what you are even calling me out for here with 'talking around posts'. If you are defending him and are town then it goes to say that your entire point about mafia should be defending him if he's mafia is irrelevant because town can also defend him. Wifom seems to be the entirety of your argument for not voting a scummy guy. Everyone should look at my logic and say if it's right and sheep it because tt is mafia or wrong and he's not and PROVE why. Also vivax why have you let damdred be there saying tt's mafia meta is to afk when you just saw him afk as town? Mafia are not going to stand by and let one of their own die on Day 1. Several people have said " oh I don't find the TT case convincing" so it's not like the case is so airtight that the scum will give up if TT is scum. So the utter lack of scum defending him or pushing for a different train doesn't make sense. How do you know those people aren't mafia???? I don't. What I was saying there is that there is enough doubt about TT's alignment that scum have room to make a more coordinated defense of TT/ attack of someone else. And I don't see why they wouldn't because bussing is a horrendous scum move. Although if I'm to trust TW, you guys actually bus on D1? wtf On September 11 2016 04:28 Calix wrote:
I'm not saying sheeping is bad, but when an entire train is almost entirely sheep-votes, there's a problem.
Hardly anyone else has managed to get anywhere near the number of sheep votes as TT has. "guys does anyone else notice how many people wanted to sheep that wagon? isn't that a little weird to you all?"
I recommend especially that you read the third quote in the spoiler. The important thing to get from this is that Calix did not have TMI by picking the correct answer out of many equally valid possibilities; he picked the simplest, most logical answer from several possibilities and was correct. How long are we going to pretend that it is scummy to be skeptical of a wagon because it formed with little resistance? That is a major trait of a mislynch.
The following quote doesn't give me anything that overtly proves Calix didn't have TMI, but the vibes from it are very good.
On September 11 2016 05:17 Calix wrote:
I mean I can see the "scum bussing their more useless ally" as a thing but the only person who is trying to take the credit for the TT lynch is HF and if you think HF is bussing then voting HF makes more sense than voting TT by proxy.
(I know you are voting HF, I am just talking generally)
"all roads lead to TT being a poor vote"
This right here is the last quote I'm going to give you. If this doesn't convince you that Calix didn't have TMI and was instead a townie being smart, nothing will.
On September 11 2016 05:24 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2016 05:21 Palmar wrote:On September 11 2016 05:17 Calix wrote:
I mean I can see the "scum bussing their more useless ally" as a thing but the only person who is trying to take the credit for the TT lynch is HF and if you think HF is bussing then voting HF makes more sense than voting TT by proxy.
(I know you are voting HF, I am just talking generally) If I'm mafia with TT here, I sheep hf's wagon just like I'm doing now, hell I even come up with semi-independent reasons like I'm doing now. The entire point is that IF hf is town, no mafia team is going to risk defending TT here. This means that a) TT could very well be mafia and b) the people defending him if he is, do not have to be mafia (in fact I'd argue that people actually trying to pull away from the lynch are more likely to be town). "If I'm mafia" - Stopped reading because self-meta on your scum game is useless when you are obviously aware of it and can change how you act accordingly. And since I'm the person who is hardcore defending TT, that parenthesis part could be a subtle pocketing attempt from you. I don't think I can do anything about TT's train. Nobody seems to find anything I say worth listening to.
The last line screams of trying to get people off the wagon. This was clearly not to get town cred but rather to prevent a mislynch.
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There are 6 people in this game who are for sure town and it's safe to say Calix is one of them. Everyone needs to see that so we can focus on solving the game. Yea all three scum were on Tictock, or maybe in 1%-chance world it's that wagon and Vivax. Either way pull your heads out of your asses. Specifically you Superbia.
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I just came up with an AMAZING new Grackpot theory.
I don't really want to go into it right now, so stay tuned before the day post for the new iteration of Grack reads.
HF was phase 1.
Now I've officially moved on to phase 2. And 2 is greater than 1
Let's just say on a scale of 1-Koshi I feel about this much:
On July 25 2016 17:32 Koshi wrote:
##unvote
##vote prplhz
This guy. This fucking guy.
Thoughts?
On July 25 2016 17:38 Koshi wrote:
I can't believe you were hidden for so long prplhz. Holy shit.
On July 25 2016 17:39 Koshi wrote:
hahaha
fucking lunatic and prplhz.
Jeezus how did I figure this out.
On July 25 2016 17:49 Koshi wrote:
prplhz is mafia.
And for all the insane fucking things Lunatic has done. I think he never ever once said anything about prplhz.
I am sure it is those 2. ggwpnore.
Fuck I can't believe it. Mafia can't hide forever I guess.
But why are you saying this, do you ask?
On August 10 2016 11:16 Shapelog wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2016 11:10 Grackaroni wrote:On August 10 2016 11:08 Shapelog wrote:On August 10 2016 11:06 Holyflare wrote:
Jk/ 1 shot vig /cop isn't really imbalanced anyway Eh, Maybe its because I never played with that kind of set up rofl. Grack, is he right? On August 10 2016 11:06 Grackaroni wrote:
Are you coming out with your theory? lol, I thought he said end of cycle. Yeah but then he quoted the post!I figured that HF was just doing a Rayn lol. 1 shot should be possible with a miller. I don't really know that much about balance. Well my boy. He is doing something called a "strip tease." Its when a female or male starts to undress very very slowly, to sexually arouse you. Now boy, knowing that you are my kin. You will most likely not see many of these during your life till you meet "the one." Therefore, whenever it happens, take the chance. In this case, go get that tiger!
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