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On September 11 2016 07:44 Damdred wrote: Hi shape! It seems whenever we play together one of us gets pulled away, and it makes me sad. Ah, I finally understand why your tone sounds different this game.
Hi Damdred! Eh, yes it does. But it does make the game a bit more interesting.
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That is an unfortunate flip.
Gonna go subscribe to the replacement thread now :S
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I've reviewed Skynx's EoD filter, and I am mixed.
For one, I can see his train of though evolving through his posts, and so his vote didn't feel forced.
For two, and this point is sort of a contradiction to point one, he said that he was going to vote for On September 11 2016 03:51 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2016 03:49 Calix wrote: Skynx, pls give your ideal targets instead of making an open-ended appeal. Palmar, Shape, Super. Possibly Damdred.
He then started to argue with HF saying that his reasoning was bad and that he should feel bad. After, he says this On September 11 2016 05:00 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2016 04:58 Vivax wrote:On September 11 2016 04:55 Tumblewood wrote: yo calix, Damdred's meta D1 as town is to try and form a town circle (and to a lesser extent all game). he is also a valuable townie because that is a useful strategy. His scum play has become really good. I won't lynch him D1 by default but I'm certainly still open to the idea of him being mafia. If he actually lynched mafia at some point ahead that would make things easier. HF and Palmar are roughly in the same category. The idea of the town circle is only as good as the town circle itself, so don't really see any grounds for this being a reason to TR Damdred. The point is we're not lynching Damdred today. We need to form some sort of circle and decide on something. Let's ignore Palmar cuz ppl don't want to lynch him, which of Super, Shape, TT you want to lynch most?
On September 11 2016 05:06 Skynx wrote: Shape's filter is ever so slightly better than I originally anticipated, I'm voting TT.
Somehow TT sneaked into his lynch pool without previous notice. It's a big contradiction considering he disagreed with HF.
For three, he says this
On September 11 2016 05:16 Skynx wrote: Calix, if there is no obv scum plynches are ok D1. HF is trying to paint TT as scum but just ignore that its a plynch.
He says that HF is painting TT as scum, but then votes him and says that it's a PL? I understand that he didn't have a strong scum-read, but voting someone who he acknowledges has aa shitty train on him is brutally bad when there were other possible PLs he himself proposed.
The rest of his posts felt town, nothing to report. Conclusion: Despite his actions not matching his words and acting shady, I still think that Skynx is town because of his tone, his attempts to town-hunt (and thus scum-hunting by poe), his uncertainty, and his reasoning.
Thoughts?
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On September 11 2016 07:50 fuba wrote: That is an unfortunate flip.
Gonna go subscribe to the replacement thread now :S
What are your thoughts on the argument that Calix is scum for TT's town flip?
Why did you vote TT?
What are your reads?
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Nu why is it again that sky can town hunt and you say he's scum hunting, but when I'm largely town hunting and trying to build what I think is the right group I am not?
And no I disagree with your conclusions over all on sky him voting tt especially when there was a movement away from tt (to a poont) is just scummy.
In fact he complains about people ignoring the other lurkers and never really brings much of anything worth talking about up just says the filter he checked wasn't that bad.
Then he bites someone who he really shouldn't given his filter. So no it's scum
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Let me take a break (from both catching up and playing) and look at his filter myself.
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On September 11 2016 07:57 Damdred wrote: Nu why is it again that sky can town hunt and you say he's scum hunting, but when I'm largely town hunting and trying to build what I think is the right group I am not?
And no I disagree with your conclusions over all on sky him voting tt especially when there was a movement away from tt (to a poont) is just scummy.
In fact he complains about people ignoring the other lurkers and never really brings much of anything worth talking about up just says the filter he checked wasn't that bad.
Then he bites someone who he really shouldn't given his filter. So no it's scum
The difference is that you are not confrontational at all in your posts. As if you didn't want to make enemies. That just fits with you town-hunting rather than scum-hunting.
Why is it scummy then?
You make a point. However, you never really brought anything worth talking about either. Does that make you scum as well?
How is this making him scummy?
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On September 11 2016 08:03 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2016 07:57 Damdred wrote: Nu why is it again that sky can town hunt and you say he's scum hunting, but when I'm largely town hunting and trying to build what I think is the right group I am not?
And no I disagree with your conclusions over all on sky him voting tt especially when there was a movement away from tt (to a poont) is just scummy.
In fact he complains about people ignoring the other lurkers and never really brings much of anything worth talking about up just says the filter he checked wasn't that bad.
Then he bites someone who he really shouldn't given his filter. So no it's scum The difference is that you are not confrontational at all in your posts. As if you didn't want to make enemies. That just fits with you town-hunting rather than scum-hunting. Why is it scummy then? You make a point. However, you never really brought anything worth talking about either. Does that make you scum as well? How is this making him scummy?
Confrontational is a nai trait scum can be nice or mean and,the same as town. This is a non point
I have talked about whatever I wanted to,when,I was in,thread, the fights. Reads, my read on tt most,of,these things were ignored by you however.
Idk if voting is mandatory where you are, but jumping on at the end,has the least amount,of responsibilities and,if he brought,hf near tie and hf,flipped even more heat would be on him.
His decision making,process does not portray town trying to push or figure out anything. Like what he said about ignoring super shape etc but never pushes then himself and votes the person he was upset we were pushing.
That's not town.
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Hmmm,
From what I see, I actually see TT getting talked into his pool as a P-lynch, and voted TT since he was the worse of me/TT/Super for PL reasons.
The way I see it:
On September 11 2016 04:09 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2016 03:56 Holyflare wrote:On September 10 2016 09:58 Holyflare wrote:No it's actually not at all. A certain scum read on someone at the start of the game generates a million times more discussion than crap discussions about mechanics, it also helps me make reads on people such as Grack being mafia now and it let's me see who is keen on just skating by and ignoring it. It's a very strong opening. But in this case I actually do think that Ticktock is mafia because: On September 10 2016 09:40 Holyflare wrote: Simple facts are:
TT did an opening to try and mimic Trfel from last game really obviously but it looked really forced/stiff TT posted no content and only one liner posts agreeing TT's only posts wildly different from his town opening TT posted something that he couldn't/shouldn't have posted because of what he said TT has gone afk and done nothing
But... he's not mafia? On September 10 2016 10:05 Holyflare wrote: This mindset is like someone coming in to the game and saying the following:
"Oh, I know Grackaroni posted something boring that I haven't read on Holyflare but Holyflare is mafia for being so certain, trying to say I said things a different way, bla, bla bla."
or
"Oh, I know Grackaroni posted something boring that I haven't read on Holyflare but Holyflare is mafia for <insert reasons that COULD have already been talked about before>" On September 10 2016 10:15 Holyflare wrote: Specifically if you call a thing boring you don't normally want to be talking about it.
If you call a thing boring and that you haven't read it you're not going to be posting about it since people could have already made the exact same point and you're wasting your time.
If you call a thing boring and you haven't read it then you aren't going to make your only content filled post on the game about it either. On September 10 2016 10:19 Holyflare wrote: My assumption, and it's a very logical assumption to make, is that he actually read/skimmed the entire thread and saw nobody made this point yet and as mafia found a way to look like he was contributing by posting "new information" since mafia love to blend and talk about mechanics.
Then all the other stuff I've posted about him too. On September 10 2016 09:12 Holyflare wrote: are you actually being fucking serious?
he has no content to post, he's struggling with his entrance (look at his town game entrance completely different and actually has content?!?!) and his only substantial post of the game is something he specifically says is boring and that he hasn't read:
a) he's not going to post content like that while explaining that he skimmed over content like that it's a fucking bs mindset
b) he's not going to post content like that while explaining that he skimmed over content like that because he might be posting things people have already said.
SO what we have here is that ticktock has LIED about not reading the posts and has actually skimmed and knows what they've said OR he's not read them and then he's posting useless shit as his only content of the game that he said was boring that he knows full well other people COULD have said <------- and if THAT is the case then he's literally posting just for the sake of posting which, again, is a mafia mindset.
Who posts something like that after acknowledging that it already exists but not knowing their content? Mafia.
Perhaps you should actually read his god damn filter from his town game instead of harping on about how it's bs and overplayed when it's literally night and day differences between substantial reads from his town game and simple "Yeah I like that post" bs in this game. It's hilarious that you've actually for some reason looked at two of my previous games and ignored absolutely every other game I've ever played and concluded that I never do these kind of pushes as town when vivax has literally told you 3-4 times that I am this aggressive as either alignment whenever I want to be. Show nested quote +TT did an opening to try and mimic Trfel from last game really obviously but it looked really forced/stiff TT posted no content and only one liner posts agreeing TT's only posts wildly different from his town opening TT posted something that he couldn't/shouldn't have posted because of what he said TT has gone afk and done nothing So 1 meta, 1 shitposting, another meta, what u mean in 4th one i have no idea and one plynch argument. Show nested quote +On September 09 2016 10:09 Tictock wrote: Ending pg7.
The Setup stuff kinda bores me, but I should prob read through it eventually kus it sparked a bit of discussion. Kinda getting town feels from both of NU and Calix atm though.
My thoughts on Setup, the dead should make their own calls on how to use their powers and Last Wills are not that important since the dead can be just as wrong as anyone about stuff.
Basically the only setup thing that's important to living players imo is being able to see who the dead are voting for as that gives us insight into their thoughts. In general though it is best to approach this game as a straight all vanilla game with some potential information coming from dead players.
Seems we've got a fairly active game started up here. I'm gunna have to catchup more after dinner. So you are referring to him calling the setup boring but he should read it boils down to being illogical therefore he must be scum. You say you are assuming here, a very logical assumption. How logical it is to assume this whole thing is very weak? Your case is based on meta, shitposting, assumption and policy. 2 of those above can be applied to 4 I've mentioned earlier, they are essentially same with ticktock with exception that they actually posted stuff. Therefore your strongest argument is the 'logical assumption' you made earlier which is debatable at best.
On September 11 2016 04:21 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2016 04:15 Damdred wrote:On September 11 2016 04:13 Skynx wrote:On September 11 2016 04:05 Damdred wrote:On September 11 2016 04:00 Grackaroni wrote: I have no idea why because I can't identify any of Damdred's posts that make me feel this way, but I think Shapelog/TT would both be better lynches than Damdred.
I still fully expect Palmar to show up in some capacity before the deadline, and hopefully he can weigh in on what I've written about HF. My heart glitters as you mention my name. But on a serious side, grac I think sky is interesting he's usually so... closed with who he wants to lynch bit he has such a wide variety keeping,hi a options open. What do you think of this? lol opportunism at best. Give me a clear lynch target for today ser Damdy. Here's the thing we have a list (in my mind) of mostly lynched today and tt is probably the least bad and it's all,going to,be based on meta and strange posts. It would go like Tt Shape/super And then there is a wide gap and cal is super low, with grack and you to a lesser extent. The rest I either want to,ignore or think are town mostly I mostly agree. TT, Shape, Super and Palmar are all plynches. Whats bothering me and what I've been trying to say over last few pages is TT is not as good of a lynch as other 3 because he is TOTALLY afk. Rest have been posting with no content whatsoever. Super just trolled and commented on setup for 3 entire pages of filter. Palmar said he will just not read or post. Shape posted walls of text that says nothing at all. But we are tunnelling on 1 guy that is actually away while 3 people we have more data that reliably suggests that they did jack shit all game but no one even considers them. So if we are dealing with these points:
Somehow TT sneaked into his lynch pool without previous notice. It's a big contradiction considering he disagreed with HF.
He says that HF is painting TT as scum, but then votes him and says that it's a PL? I understand that he didn't have a strong scum-read, but voting someone who he acknowledges has aa shitty train on him is brutally bad when there were other possible PLs he himself proposed. I mean He disagreed with TT being a scum read. He thought TT was a P-lynch and that was it. He points our what he thinks are errors in HF's read, and states that TT was a P-lynch. And he ended up on TT due to my filter being better (or not as bad?) and over super due to i think a discussion he had with Damdred.
Personally. I can follow the train of though on Skynx vote. I feel it would of been better if he had voted damdred or someone like that then TT, but it isn't like a major contradiction or anything.
Honestly a better point to make, is that late into the cycle, his pool was mostly P-lynchs, with the only one not being it was Damdred
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And of course Damdred points this out after TT was MLed! How convenient.
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On September 11 2016 08:10 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2016 08:03 NeverUnlucky wrote:On September 11 2016 07:57 Damdred wrote: Nu why is it again that sky can town hunt and you say he's scum hunting, but when I'm largely town hunting and trying to build what I think is the right group I am not?
And no I disagree with your conclusions over all on sky him voting tt especially when there was a movement away from tt (to a poont) is just scummy.
In fact he complains about people ignoring the other lurkers and never really brings much of anything worth talking about up just says the filter he checked wasn't that bad.
Then he bites someone who he really shouldn't given his filter. So no it's scum The difference is that you are not confrontational at all in your posts. As if you didn't want to make enemies. That just fits with you town-hunting rather than scum-hunting. Why is it scummy then? You make a point. However, you never really brought anything worth talking about either. Does that make you scum as well? How is this making him scummy? Confrontational is a nai trait scum can be nice or mean and,the same as town. This is a non point I have talked about whatever I wanted to,when,I was in,thread, the fights. Reads, my read on tt most,of,these things were ignored by you however. Idk if voting is mandatory where you are, but jumping on at the end,has the least amount,of responsibilities and,if he brought,hf near tie and hf,flipped even more heat would be on him. His decision making,process does not portray town trying to push or figure out anything. Like what he said about ignoring super shape etc but never pushes then himself and votes the person he was upset we were pushing.
That's not town. That is kinda why it is a bummer for me to not see him vote you. Cause at least then. then he is actually pushing a vote onto you. And others were on the wagon as well, so it wasn't like it didn't exist. From reading his filter, it felt like he was trying to consolidate onto someone. Hence why he voted on TT, as a PL. He didn't like the reasoning why HF thought he was scum sure. But ultimately, knew TT was a decent PL due to inactivity.
Overall, I can understand how he got to point A to B.
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On September 11 2016 08:22 NeverUnlucky wrote: And of course Damdred points this out after TT was MLed! How convenient. And you made me felt like the Tonal mafia point I thought you sounded like catching up after I talked myself out of it via saying that that just him.
How convenient!
I mean, it isn't like he sat on this, and pulled it out. You introduced it, and asked for thoughts. Now your trying to shade him via saying this about it? Like he did have a thought about it?
Hell, he was looking at people off the wagon after the ML. Which both of us saw, and pointed out.
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Nu is just a joker now, makes me laugh.
In any case @Shape I think what hi was looking for on a reread was him actually bringing things up about the others in the pool.
Lets be honest sky is good at making cases and I don't see it here, he's good with reasoning and while I can see consolidation being the answer it just doesn't make a lot of sense with how his stance was when he entered the thread.
And he was pre try side lines during,the lynch and most of the day (slight hypocritical at parts of,me,to say).
Do you disagree?
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Just as I closed all the tabs, and was going to go back to catch up land. So I can go lie down, and not have to catch up tomorrow, since I know today I can tolerate playing. *sigh* FML
On September 11 2016 08:27 Damdred wrote: Nu is just a joker now, makes me laugh.
In any case @Shape I think what hi was looking for on a reread was him actually bringing things up about the others in the pool.
Lets be honest sky is good at making cases and I don't see it here, he's good with reasoning and while I can see consolidation being the answer it just doesn't make a lot of sense with how his stance was when he entered the thread.
And he was pre try side lines during,the lynch and most of the day (slight hypocritical at parts of,me,to say).
Do you disagree? And tumble is better than what I have read bout of him so far. And he was town the last game, where he acted exactly like he is now.
I reread a further back. and I see what you mean by the [u] part.
From page 2 - 4 I found Several remarks of him stating Me/Palmar/Tumble or who ever was missing or not posting or what ever. But I have to agree that he really didn't do much about them, other then just throw out posts about it. Shade posts? but honestly why bother? In actives would get lynch anyways for PLs.
And as I read further back. I noticed something weird.
On September 10 2016 00:38 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2016 09:51 Tictock wrote:On September 09 2016 07:00 NeverUnlucky wrote:On September 09 2016 06:46 Vivax wrote:On September 09 2016 06:37 Calix wrote: It doesn't look like you guys do RVS and I don't relate to the few posts being made so far, so I'l just chip in with some thoughts on the setup. Not seeing anything particularly eye-popping aside from the following:
- Names aren't allowed in Last Wills but if you wanted to reference a player (e.g., say you're a Sheriff-Vig who wanted to say "I checked X/ this player is innocent/ guilty") then you could quote some post numbers by said player, quote something they said, etc. I don't think LWs will be that useful for the protectives unless nobody died on a certain night because telling the scum who was protected last night in the event of a kill just needlessly gives the scum information on what the healing roles are thinking. If anyone knows what the Doctor roles would even need to tell the town (aside from telling us who they scum-read or something) then I'm all ears.
- There's always the chance that the scum can interfere with the message being given. Although they can only rewrite LWs twice, we can't rely on the LWs much but I think it's good to establish a way for the dead townies to communicate with the rest of the thread because I'm not seeing a way that the scum manipulation of the LWs/ votes can be prevented.
- We might want to be careful with policy lynching apathetic/ inactive players or being sloppy with CFDs in general. I've been told that TL is more open to policy lynches compared to where I come from, but since lynched players become Sheriff-Vigs, I think it would be suboptimal play to give lazy players a KPN in the early stages. This point might be moot, however, as I don't know how anyone here plays or if anyone would qualify as policy-lynch material. (save for NU who I wouldn't consider a policy lynch)
Anyway, hi. It's pretty late for me so if I randomly drop off, don't be surprised. Bolded seems like fluff tbh cause you don't seem to have any own ideas to contribute for this part. "we have to find out what to do" . Who would've thought. Your last point is also pretty uninformative. It's like you're suggesting not to lynch. Doesn't look as bad as your second though. But still. You get a bit of benefit of the doubt for this being your first game here, but if somebody is meh for me right now it's you. Also, she infered that town had PRs before they were lynched which shows she didn't correctly read the setup. It's NAI, but To add to your point about her fluff: she used words like "we" -- Scum tend to use those words more than town to fit in the group. Scum!Calix uses "we" a lot. She ends her post with an excuse to why she wouldn't post in the upcoming hours. It's something scum tends to do more, but it still is NAI. Scum-reading Calix. @Vivax, don't give me or her the benefit of the doubt because we're "new", we aren't. We're both familiar to mafia. Giving either of us (especially her) a chance, it could be all we need to fly under your radar. I like this guy, this is a solid post.
Contrast to Skynx here On September 09 2016 07:01 Skynx wrote: Nothing good on tv/twitch and you guys are no fun, I'm offski to bed. First to post, been around, fucks off without saying anything and right about when things start happening. Of all NU's actions you picked this one to townread him? Whats special about it he's arguing about how using 'we' is NAI... I don't even know what to say about the point about me, sorry for not predicting when stuff is gona happen? When I left nothing was happening so I left. Not a fan of this post.
On September 10 2016 00:45 Skynx wrote: HF is town for tunnel on TT easiest read so far. Into:
On September 11 2016 03:48 Skynx wrote: Alright here is the deal people: TT is just soo hit and miss. He barely posted anything therefore no content to analyse properly. HF is tunnelled for whatever meta reason he has and blindly sheeping him is nuts.
TT is basically a plynch at this point but there are 2-3 others with similar no content no opinion just shitposting filters.
Can we please reconsider our lynch? Both of which, he contradicted. He previously analysed one of TT's posts, and said HF+ things.
The problem is....is that i have no clue what the mafia motivation or agenda is for trying to get me/tumble/Palmar lynched over TT, other then the chance me/Tumble/Palmar steps up. And that is it. He is in a spot to push the TT lynch, yet doesn't, and goes back on the earlier points.
Now if TT was scum, I would have a reasoning. Skynx was trying to protect scum!buddy TT. But TT was town. There is so little he would achieve by doing it. And it is a High risk, lowish reward to get one of me/Tt/Palmar/U? lynched, and then get lynched for not having anything else.
All he would achieve is attention....
idk, the part i looked at made sense, but now that i found the quotes, I am confused on why the switch happen.
TLDR: it is off now that I look at it, but I cannot figure-out if it is necessarily scummy, since the mindset doesn't make sense.
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Ah for FFS, which page was I on. 28 or 30?
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Now Damdred is gone. He isn't sick. Nooooo. Makes me go through all the trouble of reopening everything. And is he here? Nooooooooo.
"He is just celebrating the knock up of his wife." You say! I Say "no! He is crying in the bathroom because he realizes he now has to enter fatherhood!"
Really, I want to talk with people. It actually really help me get caught up faster.
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I'm here always pulling you back in shape!
The most likely motivation is easy ml and being under the radar in a somewhat lazy and hf driven game that's contentious at points.
Other than that it's towny looking to consolidate at least.
As for tw idk I'm suspicious and vivax has fallen off a lot to.
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On September 10 2016 05:22 Damdred wrote: So, hi. I have destroyed my phone by accidentally flushing it down the toilet.
So going to,be kinda not here as much until I get a new one. Will attempt to,catch up and make hf sheep me or sheep hf. Or lynch hf. Also three options possible (love you buddy) How do you even?
I......
YOU ARE OUR CHAMPION FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!
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On September 11 2016 09:22 Shapelog wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2016 05:22 Damdred wrote: So, hi. I have destroyed my phone by accidentally flushing it down the toilet.
So going to,be kinda not here as much until I get a new one. Will attempt to,catch up and make hf sheep me or sheep hf. Or lynch hf. Also three options possible (love you buddy) How do you even? I...... YOU ARE OUR CHAMPION FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!
I was getting up put my phone on the back of the toilet flushed and the phone fell and I went...
Nooooooooooooo, you were the chosen one.
My wife is somewhat upset at me.
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