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On August 31 2016 17:39 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2016 17:32 Race Bannon wrote:On August 31 2016 17:31 Trfel wrote:On August 31 2016 17:30 Race Bannon wrote:On August 31 2016 17:14 Trfel wrote:My turn  So, since you were scumreading scott31337 early on, how could you be so sure that Vivax is mafia, since he posted the biggest case on scott31337? Read case, ask if no comprende I don't get it, that's why I'm asking You go so far as to say that it was too early to make a good case on scott31337. So, okay, why were you scumreading scott31337??? Fuck scott, you're asking why I was sure of Vivax, and it's rigt there in the case. I've already said why I don't think that makes sense, but okay, it's not worth arguing about. In your scumread of Vivax, are you not considering the rest of his play? For instance, the push he's made for quite a while, and is by far the thing he's been most involved with? If you don't agree with this push, then presumably you disagree with the reasons that Vivax provided. In which case, I'd like to know the reasons that you were scumreading scott31337 for early on, and they'd better be different from the ones that Vivax posted. I'm tired, so good night. + Show Spoiler +Race Bannon seems to be genuinely annoyed though, which feels much more like a town mindset than a mafia mindset  sigh... Everything he does seems so mafia, but maybe he's somehow town anyway...
Oh let's argue! Argue argue argue. Bannon wants argue, Now!
On August 31 2016 17:01 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2016 16:58 Race Bannon wrote:On August 31 2016 16:29 Trfel wrote:
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So, I don't think that any of his arguments make sense this whole game. I don't think you think that. Glad to see that as soon as I scumread you, you appear It's like magic!
As soon as I confront you, you bail. Like Houdini
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small thought dump:
town:
trfel
hf
geript
vivi
something in between null and town:
koshi
cant read:
rb
scum lean:
dane
tt
palmar
scott
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hm i forgot tw... not sure. nullish i guess.
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On August 31 2016 17:44 Race Bannon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2016 17:39 Trfel wrote:On August 31 2016 17:32 Race Bannon wrote:On August 31 2016 17:31 Trfel wrote:On August 31 2016 17:30 Race Bannon wrote:On August 31 2016 17:14 Trfel wrote:My turn So, since you were scumreading scott31337 early on, how could you be so sure that Vivax is mafia, since he posted the biggest case on scott31337? Read case, ask if no comprende I don't get it, that's why I'm asking You go so far as to say that it was too early to make a good case on scott31337. So, okay, why were you scumreading scott31337??? Fuck scott, you're asking why I was sure of Vivax, and it's rigt there in the case. I've already said why I don't think that makes sense, but okay, it's not worth arguing about. In your scumread of Vivax, are you not considering the rest of his play? For instance, the push he's made for quite a while, and is by far the thing he's been most involved with? If you don't agree with this push, then presumably you disagree with the reasons that Vivax provided. In which case, I'd like to know the reasons that you were scumreading scott31337 for early on, and they'd better be different from the ones that Vivax posted. I'm tired, so good night. + Show Spoiler +Race Bannon seems to be genuinely annoyed though, which feels much more like a town mindset than a mafia mindset sigh... Everything he does seems so mafia, but maybe he's somehow town anyway... Oh let's argue! Argue argue argue. Bannon wants argue, Now! Show nested quote +On August 31 2016 17:01 Trfel wrote:On August 31 2016 16:58 Race Bannon wrote:On August 31 2016 16:29 Trfel wrote:
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So, I don't think that any of his arguments make sense this whole game. I don't think you think that. Glad to see that as soon as I scumread you, you appear It's like magic! As soon as I confront you, you bail. Like Houdini
maybe you should have comforted him instead.
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On August 31 2016 06:53 Holyflare wrote:
basically palmar's vote was shit and I thought palmar was increasingly likely to be mafia but wanted the nks or w/e to clear it up or leave a death post to save me putting actual effort in and pushing him but then rels came and voted you soooooooooooo
Good on you dropping all these knowledge bombs when they're irrelevant.
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On August 31 2016 19:57 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2016 06:53 Holyflare wrote:
basically palmar's vote was shit and I thought palmar was increasingly likely to be mafia but wanted the nks or w/e to clear it up or leave a death post to save me putting actual effort in and pushing him but then rels came and voted you soooooooooooo Good on you dropping all these knowledge bombs when they're irrelevant.
And how is this irrelevant when it's literally what he asked?
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On August 31 2016 07:21 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2016 06:00 Palmar wrote:
This has like 1% chance of working but we're sticking with it because he claimed Palmar, why does someone claiming mean that you have to stick with the lynch? (ignoring time issues)
You always, always lynch people who claim on day 1. The only exception is a completely open setup (ie: we know exactly what the setup is).
The reason is that these people are up for lynch for a lynch for a good reason, they've acted scummy in some way. Rels was extremely unattached to this game. So if they randomly claim you have two options:
a) wait for all the blues to claim/die (this usually happens around day 3-5?) to see if the claim fits the setup
b) kill him instantly.
If a mafia fake-claims on day 1, and town buys it, you've just reduced your chances of hitting red for the first 3-4 days of the game by a third. This is incredibly bad for town.
The whole idea is really simple. If you're blue, don't get yourself lynched, play decently on day 1 and you'll be fine. If you've played badly enough to put yourself in the position where you might be lynched, that's your problem.
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On August 31 2016 19:58 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2016 19:57 Palmar wrote:On August 31 2016 06:53 Holyflare wrote:
basically palmar's vote was shit and I thought palmar was increasingly likely to be mafia but wanted the nks or w/e to clear it up or leave a death post to save me putting actual effort in and pushing him but then rels came and voted you soooooooooooo Good on you dropping all these knowledge bombs when they're irrelevant. And how is this irrelevant when it's literally what he asked?
I just picked one of your posts at random to quote. The entire point is, why on earth didn't you say all these things BEFORE the lynch. The "I wanted to wait for nks" is the most bullshit excuse I've ever seen.
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Because I don't really want to interact with you because you're annoying. And lynching you d1 for being shitty isn't always the best plan when I had actual cases on people?
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You're welcome to continue pushing me despite being the towniest guy in the game though. You'll just do my work for me
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On August 31 2016 06:00 Race Bannon wrote:
There's something I noticed about myself. I fucking hate it when the acting is so bad that I'm constantly being reminded of how it's a movie I'm watching. Either the acting, sometimes the casting irrevocably dooms that department entirely, or the camera keeps shaking stupidly erratic, especially when 3d, my word. Is it so hard to empathize with the viewer experience and just take Alejandro Inarritu's success as a hint? FFS, and the mobile phones.. the stupid kids with their availability issues.
The same goes for people breaking the reading experience in forum mafia. When I'm hosting I'll totally modkill, and taste the full flavor of the subsequent bitch-fest and enjoy it to the fullest, when someone looses even a coherent sentence about anything other than game-relevant material, except material used for jokes or whatever.
I vehemently denounce this entitlement of a player to think they can bring into this picture their real life persona, what they're doing or would like to do outside of this game.. who the fuck wants to see a player as anything other than the cog in the machinery. Random people .. evoking contexts like wht they eat, where they drive, dota and wow .. what? Why is this relevant to my experience? I am well advised to decide that scum could just as well lie about being unavailable and some such, so where's the fucking point of interluding the flow of relevant conversation, just to "announce" I'll want to play dota .. like "wrap this up people, I got somewhere to be". No you don't you piece of shit. You don't exist outside the context of this game, for anyone inside this game. .. For real.
Sry, meant to play but had to get this off my chest.
I saw this post yesterday and really wanted to reply to it. This, of course, has nothing to do with the game at hand.
Your view, RB, of the game, is extremely puritan. I understand why you feel this way, but it is simply not how we've run TL Mafia for pretty much it's entire existence. Throughout the years, many of us have become good friends and we do stuff together outside of mafia. We play video games, hang out in voice chat and play voice mafia, or simply just talk.
If I were playing with people I had never met, and perhaps that is the case for your, being a relative newcomer to this community, I would probably treat it the same. However, it becomes almost impossible to maintain the facade that we don't know each other after a certain point.
It's of course important to note, that despite us saying these things, giving these little insights into our lives, none of us actually genuinely believe everything we say about our real lives. We blatantly admit to lying if it fits us, I think it was Holyflare who once took a picture of some boxes and pretended to be moving or something? I think that's maybe close to the line of what is acceptable, but it's a funny story when we look back.
And some of the rhetoric is almost just politeness. I generally point out if I don't have a computer and am on the go with only my phone, because my posts are going to be shorter, less coherent and constructed, and will not include much formatting or quotes. Sometimes I say things for theatrical effect. "Fuck you guys, I'm playing dota", is less about playing dota and more of a dismissal to the thread. And sometimes real life is simply relevant. It's a well known fact that I have a family that I generally spend time with during the weekends, and thus I tend to play not too much on Saturdays and Sunday (hence scott's joke regarding me playing on a Sunday night).
Another example of when real life is relevant is timing. Most deadlines fall on afternoon in US time, to accommodate to our large base of EU players. Thus it might be relevant if someone is unable to be around during the deadline, having other obligations. No one is going to give him a pass based on that, but that doesn't mean people can't let the thread know.
(As a sidenote, I'm sure I saw someone read this post and take it as anything other than a rant about an issue not related to the game, and that is really bad).
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On August 31 2016 20:07 Holyflare wrote:
Because I don't really want to interact with you because you're annoying. And lynching you d1 for being shitty isn't always the best plan when I had actual cases on people?
Didn't you kill Rels? And then you tried to blame me for it.
In fact, if my vote on him was so shit, why didn't you remove yours?
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Like my vote was there for a very simple reason, that I gave immediately. To me it looked as if I was presented with two options
a) Kill Rels
b) Kill scott
Of those two, I chose a). I actually stand by that choice, I don't really think Scott is scum
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So now that I've explained my vote, does that do anything to change your view HF?
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Have you even read this game or are you just applying random statements to what you think happened?
Your vote on geript was bad and made me hesitate.
The real question at hand is why on God's earth did you vote rels when he was voting for the lynch YOU wanted?? On August 31 2016 05:52 Rels wrote:
##Vote geript
AND you claim you didn't see him write he was blue??
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On August 31 2016 20:23 Holyflare wrote:Have you even read this game or are you just applying random statements to what you think happened? Your vote on geript was bad and made me hesitate. The real question at hand is why on God's earth did you vote rels when he was voting for the lynch YOU wanted?? AND you claim you didn't see him write he was blue??
My vote on geript wasn't bad, and hell, it turns out it was him who wants to "instalynch" RB for having a bit of a rant about game philosophy. Geript has objectively done things that should always make him mafia, most atrocious was him believing my conclusion about RB then making him scum anyway.
And secondly, you know I NEVER rely on associative reads. I don't care if Rels is voting someone who has no chance of flipping day, regardless of that person or Rels' alignment. What I care about is lynching the people who sound and play most like mafia, and given the option, those were Rels and Scott. Even if Rels is voting for geript, what if I'm wrong about geript? What if it's a weird semi-bus for later credit? It's simply stupid to think this way, and I'm surprised you'd think I think this way.
When I made the switch, I was unaware of Rels having claimed blue, but that would NOT have changed the outcome. In fact, if I had decided to stay on the off-train (geript), I would probably have switched anyway had I seen the blue claim. Because I do not believe last minute blue claims at all. I
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tbh i dont think plammars vote looks that shitty.
like scott was the leading wagon for a moment, so he votes rels to protect scott, cause he likes scott more.
the timing with the vote is shitty, but on the other hand like no one did unvote rels, so I wouldnt single plammar out. or in the very least his vote stuff is not as bad as TTs imo.
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