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MoosyDoosy
United States4519 Posts
On August 02 2016 10:12 J Roc wrote: Wouldn't lynch you at this point. Why would I? Rels needs to be looked at much harder because I disagreed with him on mderg but Scott is scum. scott is scum for his reasoning behind his posts? Or is there anything else? | ||
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-Celestial-
United Kingdom3867 Posts
On August 02 2016 10:12 J Roc wrote: Wouldn't lynch you at this point. Why would I? Rels needs to be looked at much harder because I disagreed with him on mderg but Scott is scum. Honestly I could be comfortable with a D2 scott lynch at this point. Previously I was back and forth pretty regularly in my head. Which resulted in my really not wanting to D1 lynch him. But given that cute little thing about a mafia team consisting of me, mderg and Stutters; after which he more or less buggered off; I'm finding him pretty dodgy. Like...that was a super easy way to make it just that bit harder to prevent the mderg mislynch. But one which he can easily sweep under the carpet and dismiss later on. | ||
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J Roc
96 Posts
On August 02 2016 10:03 -Celestial- wrote: More or less his entire contribution to the game so far has been to focus mderg, a now flipped town, like a laser and get him lynched. So yes, I'd be an idiot not to be incredibly suspicious of him. Though how much of it is just because I'm still pissed off about the vote is questionable. I'll have a better idea tomorrow. I'm going to re-read his filter then. If I was to take a more measured approach I might say that Rels' focus on mderg left him absolutely zero wriggle room when mderg flipped town. Which is an incredibly risky position to put yourself in as a mafia. Not to mention the thread didn't really need driving in that way if he was mafia because it was all still very up in the air. But then again he did leave himself a bit of an out when he said he might just be super tunneled. On the balance of it he looks awful post-flip. But WIFOM strikes again. I'm hoping to be able to put together a full post of my thoughts by tomorrow anyway. Honestly concerned I could well be dead by Day 2. And right now I've had a bit too much wine to be properly coherent for something like that. The fact that rels imho is the best player in this game gives him the ability to make that play and get away with it as scum. He is going to have the most thread presence just by name making him able to lead town. This shouldn't be a point to clear him, but he also would do this as town knowing he can swing his weight around. It's null, I am trying to figure out if he really thought mderg was scummy which I am having difficulty. | ||
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J Roc
96 Posts
On August 02 2016 10:15 MoosyDoosy wrote: scott is scum for his reasoning behind his posts? Or is there anything else? The fact that he just fucked off and let the train happen without doing anything else is really suspicious also. | ||
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MoosyDoosy
United States4519 Posts
On August 02 2016 10:17 J Roc wrote: The fact that he just fucked off and let the train happen without doing anything else is really suspicious also. A lot of my reads align with scott. On August 02 2016 05:26 Rels wrote: This list that scott posted right as he replaced is exactly my list at this point Welcome my town bro A lot of Rels' reads align with scott. I also fucked off end of D1 and let the train happen. :D Thus a Moosy/Rels/scott scum team must be in your peripheral right? | ||
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MoosyDoosy
United States4519 Posts
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-Celestial-
United Kingdom3867 Posts
On August 02 2016 10:14 MoosyDoosy wrote: A fair amount of your bloodthirst for Rels is from the wrong D1 lynch, the fact that you changed your vote, and tbh probably the wine. Er...I didn't change my vote. I have a soul read situation with Rels and I'm like 80% sure he's town right now. Please don't do it like this. Come up with something better than a 'feeling' and explain how his actions were town. Because this is almost literally what happened between a couple of people and prplhz in a previous game I played. In fact its weirding me out a bit where this is going right now. There was this big thing about how people were 'mind-melding' with him and heavily town reading him because of vague feelings; totally overlooking the fact that everything he had actually DONE amounted to jack all but being afk a bunch and then some harm to town. He turned out to be mafia. | ||
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J Roc
96 Posts
On August 02 2016 10:19 MoosyDoosy wrote: A lot of my reads align with scott. A lot of Rels' reads align with scott. I also fucked off end of D1 and let the train happen. :D Thus a Moosy/Rels/scott scum team must be in your peripheral right? You didn't vote or really push a lynch. And rels actively was around to pushderg at EoD. I don't mind if your reads match scums reads it happens. That scum team is to easy that it is not likely. Scott and rels on the same team makes more sense. But no greater than like 30%. I will give be rels the benifit of the doubt for now. | ||
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J Roc
96 Posts
On August 02 2016 10:21 MoosyDoosy wrote: Also scott is very much correct. There was 100% a mafia or two on Race Bannon at one point or another. The opportunity was too easy to pass up especially since RB was really really low hanging fruit. He was so low, he was basically on the ground. And this is coming from me who uses that playstyle normally. Or Scott is mafia. | ||
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-Celestial-
United Kingdom3867 Posts
On August 02 2016 10:19 MoosyDoosy wrote: A lot of my reads align with scott. A lot of Rels' reads align with scott. I really wish people would stop being super weird about this scott 'read'. Because it wasn't really a read. It was a list of people who were voting on Race before the replacement that he was going to look into. That's totally uninformative as a post to quote as evidence that you're townreading him. And yes, there could have easily been someone on the Race wagon purely because it was a super, super easy lynch to make, he was winding people up. But I don't think you can really draw much from it at all unless you have literally no other information to go on. | ||
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J Roc
96 Posts
On August 02 2016 10:21 MoosyDoosy wrote: Also scott is very much correct. There was 100% a mafia or two on Race Bannon at one point or another. The opportunity was too easy to pass up especially since RB was really really low hanging fruit. He was so low, he was basically on the ground. And this is coming from me who uses that playstyle normally. Like seriousness. Nothing race bannon did was alignment indicative, nothing. So you can't say he was low hanging fruit like he was confirmed town. He can play like that as either alignment. | ||
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J Roc
96 Posts
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-Celestial-
United Kingdom3867 Posts
On August 02 2016 10:32 J Roc wrote: Like seriousness. Nothing race bannon did was alignment indicative, nothing. So you can't say he was low hanging fruit like he was confirmed town. He can play like that as either alignment. To be fair I don't think Moosy is necessarily implying Race was/scott is town. Race was low hanging fruit whichever alignment you were. If I was on his scum team and he was screwing about like that I'd be on that plynch train faster than you can say 'bus' because it was clear he wasn't going to be any help whichever alignment he was, and the free town points for a mafia kill would have been too much of a temptation to ignore. | ||
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MoosyDoosy
United States4519 Posts
On August 02 2016 10:23 -Celestial- wrote: Er...I didn't change my vote. Please don't do it like this. Come up with something better than a 'feeling' and explain how his actions were town. Because this is almost literally what happened between a couple of people and prplhz in a previous game I played. In fact its weirding me out a bit where this is going right now. There was this big thing about how people were 'mind-melding' with him and heavily town reading him because of vague feelings; totally overlooking the fact that everything he had actually DONE amounted to jack all but being afk a bunch and then some harm to town. He turned out to be mafia. Oops you're right. xP But the vote changed from your target and you didn't get who you wanted to kill. Whether you like it or not, I've only been wrong on Rels once before. On August 02 2016 10:32 J Roc wrote: Like seriousness. Nothing race bannon did was alignment indicative, nothing. So you can't say he was low hanging fruit like he was confirmed town. He can play like that as either alignment. In the unlikely scenario he's mafia his team members ignore what he's doing and avoid him completely? | ||
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MoosyDoosy
United States4519 Posts
On August 02 2016 10:36 -Celestial- wrote: To be fair I don't think Moosy is necessarily implying Race was/scott is town. Race was low hanging fruit whichever alignment you were. If I was on his scum team and he was screwing about like that I'd be on that plynch train faster than you can say 'bus' because it was clear he wasn't going to be any help whichever alignment he was, and the free town points for a mafia kill would have been too much of a temptation to ignore. wow man you ninja'd me by 54 seconds. | ||
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J Roc
96 Posts
On August 02 2016 10:36 -Celestial- wrote: To be fair I don't think Moosy is necessarily implying Race was/scott is town. Race was low hanging fruit whichever alignment you were. If I was on his scum team and he was screwing about like that I'd be on that plynch train faster than you can say 'bus' because it was clear he wasn't going to be any help whichever alignment he was, and the free town points for a mafia kill would have been too much of a temptation to ignore. OK point taken. Still if I had to bet money I would bet on more scum on mderg than RB. | ||
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MoosyDoosy
United States4519 Posts
On August 02 2016 10:38 J Roc wrote: OK point taken. Still if I had to bet money I would bet on more scum on mderg than RB. Congrats! Now who was on both wagons.  | ||
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J Roc
96 Posts
I'm mobile and its difficult for me to check. Was there someone? Will vote 100% now if there was, you have convinced me Moosy | ||
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-Celestial-
United Kingdom3867 Posts
On August 02 2016 10:37 MoosyDoosy wrote: Oops you're right. xP But the vote changed from your target and you didn't get who you wanted to kill. I'm actually not too bothered about that specifically. My target was scummy enough to lynch but its not like I wasn't open to changing my mind, hell I explicitly asked for a convincing argument against mderg. My frustration mainly comes from that fact that as the deadline approached it became fairly blatant that there was no way mderg was going to flip mafia. I mean, that accidental hammer on himself should have set EVERYONE'S alarm bells ringing. Ultimately Rels came up with an argument that was okay at first glance but the more I looked at it and the more I looked at the way the thread was going as the deadline approached; something seemed off. And yet nobody else seemed to see it except Stutters. For the record...I'll have to do a check on his filter but right now I'm feeling like I'm absolutely not interested in lynching Stutters D2 unless he suddenly goes horribly bad. On August 02 2016 10:39 MoosyDoosy wrote: Congrats! Now who was on both wagons. Unless I'm missing something then nobody? Final count was this: On August 02 2016 08:03 Shapelog wrote: mderg (4): scott31337 (1): KelsierSC, I don't see any duplicates there. You going somewhere with this? | ||
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Stutters695
2610 Posts
Grack: Looks pretty bad from the day in general. Even worse after the flip. Doing a re-read as I post this. #234 - it's weird that he has a town read on RB, but null. #237- Want to note his "mafia play more subdued" comment. Moving on. + Show Spoiler + On August 01 2016 08:19 Grackaroni wrote: Alright now my thoughts. I thought Silentwarrior's opening post was fine. I don't agree with his thoughts on Kelsier, but it seemed like reasoning a new town player would make. Furthermore, I thought that he would probably be an easy target for scum since he wrote out a case on Kelsier for posts that aren't really alignment indicative. Since earlier in the thread J roc and Mderg posted suspicions on Silentwarrior based on that post and the day has been so slow, I wanted to see if a wagon would form. Not much came from it. Skynx said Silentwarrior was suspicious and Mderg reaffirmed his suspicion. Right now I'm kind of inclined to lynch Mderg just because I think the three people he has pushed so far (Silentwarrior, Lunatic, scott) have been the townier people in the thread, and he has pushed suspicion on two of them and tried to policy lynch the third. This post bothers me. At best this is lazy scumhunting when he should know better. This post lacks any justification into why scum mderg would push those people, just that he should be lynched for having different reads. #326 slight positive for calling out skynx, petty easy thing to see and no real follow-up to be found. + Show Spoiler + On August 02 2016 02:40 Grackaroni wrote: Nope. I might have a slight preference for Skynx but my reasoning is too useless to even bother explaining. I've actually looked through filters quite a bit and I'm pretty much just calling it quits. I'm going to see if Rels shows up and see what he has to say. Has dropped Mderg without any new scumreads of merit or even real suspicion. #358 His case is built on Btdt's case while only contributing that L didn't comment on C's point against grack, however in the quote L thinks he "is probably town" in direct contrast to C's scum lean. Followed by some omgus on me, but I consider that pretty null. Now onto crunch time: Says he's going to re-read Lunas filter from a previous game. OMGUS vote on me with no actual intent to push me. Doesn't follow up on the Luna meta read. Sheeps Rels on Mderg. Again, nothing original. + Show Spoiler + On August 02 2016 07:32 Grackaroni wrote: I reread him and I don't really agree with your conclusion. 1)He's voting you because he thought your case on me was weak and he didn't like that you voted him when you had never mentioned him before. I don't see the misrepresentation. 2) it's not a bad post really. Scott did kind of did accuse all 4 at the start and then choose which one was the scummiest from the four. I think it is at least worth considering. 3) For day 1, I think that's what I would expect. I think the first coaching advice I ever got was that if you're just able to leave day 1 with some strong town reads you're in good shape. Day 1 lynches tend to be hit or miss and this game especially has been bleh. This post especially bothers me. He doesn't acknowledge the clear distinction between a plynch and normal vote which is especially odd considering I was his vote before sheeping Rels. Second point again is wrong. Just soft defending. Although I disagree, I can understand the third point as a difference in philosophy. I'd recommend reading Ver's analysis because what I'm accusing Silent of is strikingly similar to what Grack is doing. The post as a whole comes off as a soft defense of Silent, which looks bad with what happens after. Again to emphasize, he is not contributing to finding scum, but softing town reads and slight pushes for non-indicative things . One might even say it's subdued play. Not spoilering these because they're the most important. On August 02 2016 07:35 Grackaroni wrote: I'm seeing a lot of squirming within Rels' scum reads between celestial and stutters, so I would beg town to follow through on this mderg lynch. Pre-flip associations that accomplish nothing. It's also worth noting how he's just on board with a town Rels with essentially no doubt despite Rels just showing up. He does backtrack on the associations in his next post, rendering this null, but still a lack of any real contribution. With 3 minutes remaining, he finally accepts C and my argument that scum more than likely wouldn't vote how Mderg did, but he "waited too long for shennys" then apologizes to Mderg. It comes off as him being very worried of his appearance after the flip. This dude scum. I'll check his meta tomorrow, but to be frank, I don't think it's even needed. | ||
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