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disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-11 17:39:33
August 11 2016 17:38 GMT
#1261
On August 12 2016 02:26 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2016 17:32 disformation wrote:
On August 11 2016 17:24 Rels wrote:
On August 11 2016 17:21 disformation wrote:
yo rels your shot on grack was so anti-town i wss convinced you were scum fake claiming, unzil cele explained why this wozld be the worst scum play ever

I had to shoot him. He duelled me. PEW PEW
I agree it was an objectively bad shot BUT I would have shot silent if not Grack. And silent went on to become super townie during D2, then modconfirmed just before deadline. So it's probably better I murdered Grack than shot a guy that would become a confirmed town later.

mental note to myself: dont duel rels


unless he'd had crumbed vigilante somewhere Grackaroni would have had zero way of knowing this...unless I'm misunderstanding something.

that is the point. dont duel rels if you dont know if he is vig or not.
edit: aka dont duel him unless you are vig yourself.
silentwarrior
Profile Joined July 2015
131 Posts
August 11 2016 18:19 GMT
#1262
Here is my coaching thread with glowingbear if anyone's interested. http://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/wwLt4JiF6Hn9
beentheredonethat
Profile Joined May 2016
2934 Posts
August 11 2016 18:25 GMT
#1263
Also in general, it feels like I was bad until my mod warning and then stepped up. Is that right?
"Micro tricks like marine splitting, blink stalker micro, and ling/baneling wars were the apex of the game’s achievements; nothing in the world takes your breath away like watching a pro player split marines like a god."
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5188 Posts
August 11 2016 20:25 GMT
#1264
On August 11 2016 17:24 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2016 17:21 disformation wrote:
yo rels your shot on grack was so anti-town i wss convinced you were scum fake claiming, unzil cele explained why this wozld be the worst scum play ever

I had to shoot him. He duelled me. PEW PEW
I agree it was an objectively bad shot BUT I would have shot silent if not Grack. And silent went on to become super townie during D2, then modconfirmed just before deadline. So it's probably better I murdered Grack than shot a guy that would become a confirmed town later.

Actually the shot wasn't horrible due to the fact that Grack alignment help get town away from the associative reads.
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Lunaticman
Profile Joined November 2007
Sweden1097 Posts
August 12 2016 06:21 GMT
#1265
On August 11 2016 19:25 Rels wrote:
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On August 11 2016 18:35 Lunaticman wrote:
On August 11 2016 17:52 Rels wrote:
I played laid back D1 because I was vig, so I would be confirmed town D2 and I didn't want to risk being killed + roleblocked N1 by being super townie. So that's why people could scumread me. After N1 ended I was unlynchable.


My point being, that if you were a VT, I would have gotten you killed easy. Don't overestimate your power. The whole Grac/Rels thing would have been super easy to pin a mafia between the two of you.

The only way for you to survive a misslynch was to do what you did.

The point is that I wouldn't have AFKd 46 hours of D1 if I was VT. But even if I did that, I disagree that lynching me was going to be an easy thing to do, especially since you didn't have time D2.

You're going about this the wrong way about this: just because people thought Grack and I were super scummy during D1 doesn't mean that one of us was going to be the lynch D2 (assuming we were both VT and alive D2). A mafia game just doesn't work like that. As scum, you shouldn't be stuck on one path to victory. It's an easy (and normal) mistake to make.
Imagine if Grack and I became super townie D2. The mistake you could have made, seeing your posts, if that you continue to tunnel the both of us all day, showing a scum mentality: townies look for scum and WILL re evaluate a lot over the course of the game; it's almost impossible for a townie to be 100% right D1/N1. Scum have a tendency to think a lot more about who they want to push, decide who is the perfect lynch, and get stuck with their reads. It's a mistake a lot of newbies (and vet actually) scum make.

So no, just because you had killer cases on Grack / I N1 doesn't mean you would have mislynched the both of us starting D2. It's possible that you would have made it work; but it's also possible that you would become obvious scum incapable of re evaluating in the face of new evidences.


I agree with you, Im just very confident I would have suceeded. well I didnt have time to do it then either way so your also correct in that regard. But I would have liked to try!
Failure is not an option
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
August 12 2016 08:01 GMT
#1266
On August 12 2016 15:21 Lunaticman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2016 19:25 Rels wrote:
On August 11 2016 18:35 Lunaticman wrote:
On August 11 2016 17:52 Rels wrote:
I played laid back D1 because I was vig, so I would be confirmed town D2 and I didn't want to risk being killed + roleblocked N1 by being super townie. So that's why people could scumread me. After N1 ended I was unlynchable.


My point being, that if you were a VT, I would have gotten you killed easy. Don't overestimate your power. The whole Grac/Rels thing would have been super easy to pin a mafia between the two of you.

The only way for you to survive a misslynch was to do what you did.

The point is that I wouldn't have AFKd 46 hours of D1 if I was VT. But even if I did that, I disagree that lynching me was going to be an easy thing to do, especially since you didn't have time D2.

You're going about this the wrong way about this: just because people thought Grack and I were super scummy during D1 doesn't mean that one of us was going to be the lynch D2 (assuming we were both VT and alive D2). A mafia game just doesn't work like that. As scum, you shouldn't be stuck on one path to victory. It's an easy (and normal) mistake to make.
Imagine if Grack and I became super townie D2. The mistake you could have made, seeing your posts, if that you continue to tunnel the both of us all day, showing a scum mentality: townies look for scum and WILL re evaluate a lot over the course of the game; it's almost impossible for a townie to be 100% right D1/N1. Scum have a tendency to think a lot more about who they want to push, decide who is the perfect lynch, and get stuck with their reads. It's a mistake a lot of newbies (and vet actually) scum make.

So no, just because you had killer cases on Grack / I N1 doesn't mean you would have mislynched the both of us starting D2. It's possible that you would have made it work; but it's also possible that you would become obvious scum incapable of re evaluating in the face of new evidences.


I agree with you, Im just very confident I would have suceeded. well I didnt have time to do it then either way so your also correct in that regard. But I would have liked to try!

Let's battle in a next game then (=
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
August 12 2016 22:46 GMT
#1267
Think I handled this game pretty well.
Zerg for Life
beentheredonethat
Profile Joined May 2016
2934 Posts
August 13 2016 22:58 GMT
#1268
On August 13 2016 07:46 KelsierSC wrote:
Think I handled this game pretty well.

Bold move. I'm sure players of your caliber in newbie games will draw more people to this site.
"Micro tricks like marine splitting, blink stalker micro, and ling/baneling wars were the apex of the game’s achievements; nothing in the world takes your breath away like watching a pro player split marines like a god."
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9647 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-23 15:59:58
October 23 2016 15:59 GMT
#1269
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
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