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On March 28 2016 18:10 ritoky wrote:i just clicked TTs filter and it fucked my head really hard.......i think he is town? kinda?...but i don't... the main reason i don't is that he has both me and rsoul as scum which kinda feels like he is posturing to be on the right side regardless. plus his koshi and vivax reads....they are literally "ezpz town never lynch"; which i don't see for either those seem like really odd reads to be his strongest. he also thinks 2 ppl who claimed vigi are both mafia in slam and kuru; expressly wanting to lynch kuru...but not explaining how claiming a failed kp on koshi is mafia motivated. the main reason i think he is town is 2 observations: 1) in his slam read he posts about how slam was considering shooting kuru, but then trusted kuru's read on gumshoe and shot gumshoe and how that doesn't make a whole lot of sense. and 2) this post: Show nested quote +On March 28 2016 14:29 Tictock wrote:On March 28 2016 11:46 rsoultin wrote:On March 28 2016 11:24 Tictock wrote:On March 27 2016 04:20 Damdred wrote:
I think there are three options really to how the wagons happened.
1) town vs town mafia just did whatever and are spread out and aren't very active.
2) town vs mafia. Rs is only real active mafia the others are in the dnv list.
3) town v mafia all other mafia but rs are on tube saving her.
There's lots of different scenarios but just how the thread feels it feels more like one where mafia isn't trying to disrupt the thread and cause as much chaos over a mislynch.
I could be dead wrong and probably are but it's just a feeling atm.
Ows what do you think who are scum? I can agree that these 3 scenarios are most likely, I'm also wondering if Kuru were scum if his teammates might have been pushing his voters. Though, Day 1 Final Votecount
Tubesock (8): ObiWanShinobi , Kurumi, Vivax, Koshi, justanothertownie, Rels, LightningStrike, Damdred
rsoultin (6): Superbia, VayneAuthority, ritoky, sandroba, Shapelog, sicklucker
Kurumi (2): Tubesock, rsoultin Kinda looks to me like scum was piled on Tube to save Rsoul... your reads are kinda awful ^^ i mostly skimmed your post earlier, but you have rit and myself as scum together which is pretty tinfoily at best, i can forgive the ls read even if it's awful cause meh ls he's gonna get scumread whatever and kuru and i as scum together...so basically you've decided that your scum team is completely bussing one another from d1 for no good reason? explain this I didn't say you two were on a team, you were both scum leans but I'm sure not on the same team given how your going at each other. Though since this setup could be multi-faction you could both be mafia (on opposing teams) or some kinda anti-town. I'm not trying to build teams at all, just reading individuals. Also why do you give me a pass on scum-reading LS but not Rit? that bolded part...idk why but it feels really town to me...especially considering he has me leaning scum. i kinda think TT is town...but i am really hesitant about that read.
potential interesting post.
Can somebody give his opinion?
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On March 28 2016 18:48 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2016 14:54 Tumblewood wrote:
"Wake up, town" reads list
VayneAuthority - idk how anyone is TRing him. He was here for a little bit and now he'll miss all of this phase. That's NAI at best.
Kurumi - He's almost comically angry. I'm kinda just sheeping Rels on this and
Damdred - His reads are really shallow, like "LS obv town" and nothing else. His D1 scumlist also sucked-- 2 plynches, tubesock, and kurumi (the only one who even kinda goes against what people think) [and me but with a disclaimer]. ALSO one time he said there's one scum between me and Tube because of some nonexistent exchange between us. k i'm done now i swear
sandroba - Making the same reads as everyone else (when present), but for much worse reasons
ObiWanShinobi - he hasn't been present much, but I like the quality of his reads
Koshi - people are like "oh angry koshi = town koshi" but his displays of emotion so far have been utterly fakeable
Rels - he's been insightful this game and actually has original, non-obvious reads which are hard to fake when you're not looking for something
justanothertownie - I don't want to read his filter so I'm just going to say he's being aggressive and leave it at that.
ritoky - Either obv town or obv scum and I can't tell which is which
sicklucker - Doesn't he on D1 act scummy even as town? If not everyone in Devil Inside Mafia lied to me.
Alakaslam - he's a vig
Shapelog - He blends in far more than he usually does. Usually when he blends in it's because I'm ignoring all his posts, but this time it's because I don't notice it's him. Even though he has a 7-page filter, it seems he's not putting very much effort into the game.
Vivax - he's doing a pretty alright job, y'know?
rsoultin - I was really on the fence about this earlier but with Tubesock turning up town I think rsoul is also town.
LightningStrike - One time I played with someone who was obvious town in his first game. LS is playing the same way, except it's not his first game. This makes him ???
Superbia - He's attacking the game in unorthodox ways, which I think is townie, if that makes sense. these town reads are extremely biazarre
100% mafia response.
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My point on the ritoky hypocrisy is that the excuse is an easy one to make as mafia to hide the inactivity. While I believe town would just say something when the claim thingies are happening to stop it. Or live with it.
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Talking about claims and dumb shit is easier to do as mafia to boost your postcount than actually play the game. Which he did. all the time.
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anyway. eating. diablo.
flips are next.
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I don't think JAT is scum. OK he didn't listen to your read on Superbia but I agree with him finding you scummy D2. I would have voted you if TT wasn't there. And I could be wrong but I think he's OK lynching ritoky. We'll see how he handles Superbia once he comes back now that he thinks you're town.
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Like, he could dismiss whatever you say since he was scumreading you.
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On March 30 2016 02:01 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2016 18:10 ritoky wrote:i just clicked TTs filter and it fucked my head really hard.......i think he is town? kinda?...but i don't... the main reason i don't is that he has both me and rsoul as scum which kinda feels like he is posturing to be on the right side regardless. plus his koshi and vivax reads....they are literally "ezpz town never lynch"; which i don't see for either those seem like really odd reads to be his strongest. he also thinks 2 ppl who claimed vigi are both mafia in slam and kuru; expressly wanting to lynch kuru...but not explaining how claiming a failed kp on koshi is mafia motivated. the main reason i think he is town is 2 observations: 1) in his slam read he posts about how slam was considering shooting kuru, but then trusted kuru's read on gumshoe and shot gumshoe and how that doesn't make a whole lot of sense. and 2) this post: On March 28 2016 14:29 Tictock wrote:On March 28 2016 11:46 rsoultin wrote:On March 28 2016 11:24 Tictock wrote:On March 27 2016 04:20 Damdred wrote:
I think there are three options really to how the wagons happened.
1) town vs town mafia just did whatever and are spread out and aren't very active.
2) town vs mafia. Rs is only real active mafia the others are in the dnv list.
3) town v mafia all other mafia but rs are on tube saving her.
There's lots of different scenarios but just how the thread feels it feels more like one where mafia isn't trying to disrupt the thread and cause as much chaos over a mislynch.
I could be dead wrong and probably are but it's just a feeling atm.
Ows what do you think who are scum? I can agree that these 3 scenarios are most likely, I'm also wondering if Kuru were scum if his teammates might have been pushing his voters. Though, Day 1 Final Votecount
Tubesock (8): ObiWanShinobi , Kurumi, Vivax, Koshi, justanothertownie, Rels, LightningStrike, Damdred
rsoultin (6): Superbia, VayneAuthority, ritoky, sandroba, Shapelog, sicklucker
Kurumi (2): Tubesock, rsoultin Kinda looks to me like scum was piled on Tube to save Rsoul... your reads are kinda awful ^^ i mostly skimmed your post earlier, but you have rit and myself as scum together which is pretty tinfoily at best, i can forgive the ls read even if it's awful cause meh ls he's gonna get scumread whatever and kuru and i as scum together...so basically you've decided that your scum team is completely bussing one another from d1 for no good reason? explain this I didn't say you two were on a team, you were both scum leans but I'm sure not on the same team given how your going at each other. Though since this setup could be multi-faction you could both be mafia (on opposing teams) or some kinda anti-town. I'm not trying to build teams at all, just reading individuals. Also why do you give me a pass on scum-reading LS but not Rit? that bolded part...idk why but it feels really town to me...especially considering he has me leaning scum. i kinda think TT is town...but i am really hesitant about that read. potential interesting post. Can somebody give his opinion?
It's the textbook read between partners, lean on either town or scum. No hard read, no null. I don't think it proves they are partners, but it doesn't prove they are not either. So it doesn't mean anything.
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I think Rels that you get upset about things said about you way to easily and make more out of it than what it is, I posted things that bothered me and wanted the thread to spit ball with me if i had anything.
for example I said this
I built a case on Rels but before I submitted it I exit'd out and not sure if I believe it myself heres what I have and the thread can spit ball with me and see if I have anything worthwhile.
Its really strange and I think hes scum but maybe i'm making more out of it. Any ideas or things i'm wrong on is appreciated.
I wasn't even convinced myself I think, the more interesting thing I thought you would see was how Vivax was the only person who actually wanted to talk to me about it and brought things up. While two people were like I 100% agree with everything and its good.
What do you think about that?
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On March 30 2016 02:16 Damdred wrote:I think Rels that you get upset about things said about you way to easily and make more out of it than what it is, I posted things that bothered me and wanted the thread to spit ball with me if i had anything. for example I said this Show nested quote +I built a case on Rels but before I submitted it I exit'd out and not sure if I believe it myself heres what I have and the thread can spit ball with me and see if I have anything worthwhile. Show nested quote +Its really strange and I think hes scum but maybe i'm making more out of it. Any ideas or things i'm wrong on is appreciated. I wasn't even convinced myself I think, the more interesting thing I thought you would see was how Vivax was the only person who actually wanted to talk to me about it and brought things up. While two people were like I 100% agree with everything and its good. What do you think about that?
It doesn't matter that you were sure or not, you clearly said:
On March 29 2016 00:27 Damdred wrote:
4) His townreads on tumble is strange, and his townread on kurm is strange at the point as well.
So did you find these townreads weird because there were not justified, or because you thought the reasons were bad ?
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About your question, ritoky's read on me is clearly bad. Me not commiting to a read on LS D1 is not a reason to scumread me. Who was the other guy 100% agreeing ?
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Will be gone for a few hours so I'll respond to you then if you answered me
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So i checked SL filter from XV (his last blue game in data: Click for link) and it checks out expect for one thing. Before i mention that (becuase i already posted the quote and are lazy to move things around to make this post flow while you read it) I found this,
On October 13 2015 09:06 sicklucker wrote:
##unvote ##vote ObviousOne] just for tiebreak reasons to save moosy im not sure yet
which is what he did this game as well. Thought it was interesting since if IIRC someone posted something about it a while back.
Thing that is bugging me from XV to this game is how he approach someone sus. D1, most notably Gumdrop in XV.
Editers note: this became much more than a filter compersion.
On October 11 2015 06:00 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2015 03:16 Gumdrop wrote:
Hi, I apologize for popping in late. I was bogged down with school work.
I am here now though, so lets catch some scum. I agreed this opening was scummy like who apologizes for being a few hours late? hell im 11 hours "late" NO FUCKS GIVEN scummy eversince kinda hada bad reaction to to vivax angle shoot where he literately mmade it look like he shot him (that was dirty asfaik) Show nested quote +On October 11 2015 04:39 Eversince wrote:
Seriously I came a hair away from pming Blazing to say thanks for the game.
That was low. Lucky I checked the homepage to see who the host/ co-host were. seems in too cheerful of a mood eversince what alignment did you want to play? Onegu town ( still would prop lynch him tho) Moosy town Show nested quote +On October 11 2015 04:19 KelsierSC wrote:On October 11 2015 04:18 Eversince wrote:
To everyone in general. Hard to form opinions when people stop talking. well, I feel reluctant to really jump in and call anyone mafia at this stage of the game I just agree with Onegu's interpretation of Gummywurmbearjellytot since when? scummy
On October 11 2015 06:02 sicklucker wrote:
##vote Gumdrop
no follow follow up posts in two hours meh
In XV he waited for 2 hours to see if Gum posted any follow up posts. He wanted to see Gumdrops reaction and his respond to it. I.E. He found someone scummy, and wanted to see more posts from them (this is where i am trying to get at)
Now look at how he Handles Gumshow:
On March 24 2016 07:59 Superbia wrote:I encourage everyone to follow my voting pattern this game. Starting with my first vote. 
On March 24 2016 08:00 sicklucker wrote:
sure why not
On March 24 2016 08:07 sicklucker wrote:
I also agree that talking about slam is very scummy. I have never really tried to read him esp this early!
So he has his reason right?
But when gumshow starts posting and stuff he does not look and comment on them. Despite being in the thread for sometime. Even took the time to go after LS instead of listing and responding to Gumshow (as far as we know.)
Then when someone comments about his read on Gumshow:
On March 24 2016 12:12 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2016 09:01 Kurumi wrote:On March 24 2016 08:59 LightningStrike wrote:
So Kurumi any other thoughts you want to share? People should slow the hell down, I am astonished with the role talking and people manage to create another page of it. I see nothing wrong with Superbia's early vote on gumshoe. When did sicklucker say anything about gumshoe? He has vote on him and no posts to back it up. i found him pretty scummy because he choose to focus on slam. I think thats very scummy. I have played like 20 games with slam and stopped trying to figure him out in like the second one. He claimed to have played with him quite a bit. Also it was like 1 hour in and i like da presure!
His scum read was the same. Gumshow had posted much more than that at that time and he should have had something else (a comment or anything) if he was paying attention to the thread right? And pressure? How can you be pressure voting someone if you do not even respond to or even show that you are following their posts? it just doesn't line up.
Not only that, he ignore Gumshow further after that point as well. Guess what the next post that mention Gum was...
On March 25 2016 01:16 sicklucker wrote:
oh someones dead rip. That was a pretty early shot who took it
So SL really did not care at all for his read on Gum. He infact just went after LS (but never voted LS)
Why do i meation this? because it is also different from XV.
On October 11 2015 07:24 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2015 07:02 Vivax wrote:
I lol'd when SL said I was negative.
Like in his entry post he didn't even properly read the thread, obviously he's either going to be drunk or mafia. Or both. i read it fine stfu
On October 11 2015 07:24 sicklucker wrote:
##vote ##vivax
On October 11 2015 07:30 sicklucker wrote:
i thought that was in crossfire mafia? w/e ##unvote #vote vivax
I really do think hes scum here. like hes not saying why im not reading the thread hes just putting scum on me for no reason with no reason.
He was willing to change his vote at the slightest change in wind. Hell really the reasoning wasn't cocreate in that game. Someone rub him the wrong way and it made him sus. so vote.
I Will say that SL seemed slightly disinterested in XV about Gumdrop but might be because he was interested on voting vivax. Still was a difference thou. in my mind.
So either,
- I am being dumb here (very unlikely)
- SL is mafia due to not even gaving a flying fuck on his GumShow vote or read
- SL is racist to people whoes name start with Gum and auto-votes them when he plays with them
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Class so i be back in 50 mins roughly
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On March 29 2016 18:15 Koshi wrote:
Also ritoky latest post was something about "I don't play games which are a claimfest" while he opened the game trying to find all the greens.
This is a decent point.
On March 29 2016 21:14 sandroba wrote:
@vivax yes rsoul's role does sound farfetched, she should be questioned tomorrow about it no doubt.
there is no mention of any refund mechanics on my pm. I seriously doubt kurumi is mafia unless there are 2 mafia teams. I doubt mafia would come out and admit they shot town koshi if they don't know how he survived. Or randomly lie about it on the off chance their medic gets lynched today for that matter.
I wouldn't be surprised if all vigis are town, considering mafia has a doc and might as well have a vet according to your theory.
Honestly I'm impressed at how much koshi has posted, but the easiest explanation is still that koshi is mafia with TT.
This is true but you just have to look at koshis play. If that is mafia he is an impostor and not koshi.
On March 29 2016 21:44 Koshi wrote:
Kurumi is not mafia. The easiest explanation really is that he got RB. I don't even know why nobody said this earlier. Then nobody had to save me.
We really need to know if a rb gives his bullet back.
He said he didn't get it back?! So I very much doubt he was rbed unless bullets are also not refunded when rbed but why on earth would mafia rb kurumi? The easiest explanation if you are town is that Kurumi is fucking mafia and considering the fact that he did not even post once since the flip I don't get why you would say this is unlikely. Unless there is a town doc who saved you and who needs to claim if that is the case. Because if noone does he have a more or less confirmed mafia in Kurumi.
On March 29 2016 22:58 VayneAuthority wrote:
yes thats correct, its unlikely tumble is mafia aka why I look bad atm.
the most important question is JAT is bad this game or was he purposely misconstruing koshi's meta and other bad posts because mafia?
I have not been misconstruing shit. Koshi did not play his townmeta until the lynch yesterday - that is a goddamn fact. Now he is.
On March 29 2016 23:07 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2016 23:01 Rels wrote:On March 29 2016 22:58 VayneAuthority wrote:
yes thats correct, its unlikely tumble is mafia aka why I look bad atm.
the most important question is JAT is bad this game or was he purposely misconstruing koshi's meta and other bad posts because mafia? Reading Koshi's filter before EOD2, do you think think JAT pushing him makes sense or not ? JAT changed his mind after EOD2. Do you see a difference between Koshi's posting before EOD2 and after it ? Do you think JAT changing his mind is logical ? Nha. JAT could have seen it way faster that I was town. Or hold off. Him insisting to kill me would be good mafia play.
It would be terrible mafia play. If I KNEW you were town I would never ever keep pushing you like this knowing you would probably start playing at some point.
On March 29 2016 23:50 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2016 23:47 Koshi wrote:On March 29 2016 23:39 Superbia wrote:On March 29 2016 23:37 Rels wrote:On March 29 2016 23:36 Superbia wrote:On March 29 2016 23:36 Rels wrote:On March 29 2016 23:35 Superbia wrote:
The fact that you are either ignoring or not understanding my play is absolutely baffling.
It doesn't matter. You will be confirmed mafia tomorrow or I will fight you to the grave. Have you ever played with Koshi ? Yes. How can you still think he's scum after reading his posts since deadline ? Because of the timing and the fact that's he's locked in to me being scum. I cannot ignore him for the rest of the game and he's going to continue this shit for the rest of the game regardless of his alignment. He needs to die. "regardless of alignment" is a lie. Hilarious how you opportunistically switched from townlean to mafia because things the thread said about my meta. But you can't switch back when everybody xcept sandroba knows I am town atm. Oh well. It is easier to call me mafia and do nothing else and pray to jeebus something happens. Are you often incredibly wrong as town?
All the time.
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Fact is Koshi played unlike koshi until the flip yesterday. As you can see since then he has been obvious town. He would have been able to play like that before but randomly decided against it because he is terrible. He therefore cost us a whole day of discussion which I could have used pushing other people and if Kurumi is somehow also town which he seems to believe he also cost town a fucking vigshot.
All around awful play.
But that doesn't matter anymore. He is playing his towngame now and no matter how annoying and unbearable it feels - that's just how koshi is.
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The only way Koshi could possibly not be town is if he is 3p but never mafia.
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If we ignore the Kurumi thing for a moment I would look for mafia in this pool for now. We shouldn't ignore anyone just for being on the ticktock wagon btw. - I would bet on mafia being on there.
People who did not lynch Ticktock:
Ritoky - hasn't done anything towny basically all game. Only pushed rsoultin.
^^^^^^
Good lynch.
Superbia - gotta let Koshi do his thing here. What I liked about superbia is his involvement but he can do that as mafia. Did not like his posting earlier in the game that much - disagreed with a lot of stuff there.
Sicklucker - thought he was town earlier. He DOES talk a lot about his claim but that's par for the course for him. Wouldn't lynch him over the likes of ritoky I guess.
VA - Could be anything, Wouldn't rule him out.
Wouldn't lynch unless they play a bad day3: sandro, scott
Sandro needs to do more though. I wasn't a fan of his absence yesterday - had no real impact on any lynch so far and that is concerning.
People who killed Ticktock:
Shapelog - joined early, might have thought the wagon wouldn't succeed. Might have bussed. Could be anything.
Obi - Started the thing but when it happened wasn't as much of a fan anymore. Maybe he made a horrible mistake as mafia.
rsoultin - Could have bussed - the wagon was winning already when she joined. Let's see what she has to say about the item. Don't really think she is mafia though.
TW - Same as rsoultin. Don't know what to make of him yet.
Not lynching for now: Vivax, Rels, Damdred, LS, Koshi
Noone here is confirmed town though. TT was not important to mafia anymore since our vigs probably have used their shots and he was the weak link anyways. We also don't know if no other mafia was on the block yet.
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Oh, I forgot the thing where shapelog made fun of TT before the lynch. Maybe I should have reread the thread from that time. Wouldn't lynch him.
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I was just about to ask you where your reads are instead of just defending yourself too, good thing i waited
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On March 30 2016 04:00 VayneAuthority wrote:
I was just about to ask you where your reads are instead of just defending yourself too, good thing i waited
I don't need to defend myself. I have been obvious town all game and the fact that I had to push Koshi because he decided to be retarded once again doesn't change that in any way. Even he couldn't bring himself to openly call me mafia because he is afraid to be wrong like he always is.
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