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Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
March 29 2016 15:33 GMT
#2921
This game is so easy and you people can't figure it out. Just open the last 4 spoilers of my read post and those can only be mafia. It guarantees lylo.

Instead you want to lynch the obvious townies like rsoultin, koshi, kurumi.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
March 29 2016 15:42 GMT
#2922
On March 29 2016 23:40 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2016 02:09 Koshi wrote:
Confirmed Town
+ Show Spoiler +

Likely Town
+ Show Spoiler +
Vivax
Rels
justanothertownie
LightningStrike
rsoultin (no mafia is going to spend 5 pages pushing 2 normally loud people while giving more than enough reads on the side. She helped multiple people get more insight on players (look at the tumble/Tube thing, which mafia wont do for lynchbait players))

Maybe town
+ Show Spoiler +
ObiWanShinobi
Shapelog

Not going to lynch Town
+ Show Spoiler +
VayneAuthority
Alakaslam
Damdred

Null
+ Show Spoiler +
Stutters695 (shoot him)
Tubesock (might be town suckered in by Tumble)

Won't lynch right now Mafia
+ Show Spoiler +
Superbia (holy fuck the filter is real, and bad)
Tictock
Tumblewood (Latest townreads were ok but not impossible for mafia to make)
Kurumi

Maybe Mafia
+ Show Spoiler +
sicklucker

Likely Mafia
+ Show Spoiler +
ritoky
sandroba (this guy is mafia, or not connected to the game yet, I think he is mafia. Basically says rsoultin is mafia because ritoky is 100% lock town, ridiculous.)

Confirmed Mafia
+ Show Spoiler +


This guy is so good at the game. Incredible.

Maybe kurumi is mafia though. Just look at that list. Mafia had to take me out. Probably not though.
Mafia biggest mistake was roleblocking kurumi.

Or is the town hero the one who saved me/blocked kurumi?
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
March 29 2016 15:44 GMT
#2923
VA/Tumble mafia team is what could stop me from being the unrecognized mvp.
I had a good night of sleep.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
March 29 2016 15:46 GMT
#2924
On March 30 2016 00:10 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2016 00:08 Rels wrote:
On March 30 2016 00:05 Superbia wrote:
On March 30 2016 00:01 Rels wrote:
On March 29 2016 23:58 Superbia wrote:
On March 29 2016 23:52 Rels wrote:
On March 29 2016 23:51 Superbia wrote:
On March 29 2016 23:50 Rels wrote:
On March 29 2016 23:49 Superbia wrote:
On March 29 2016 23:47 Rels wrote:
[quote]
Then get out of OMGUS 'cause it doesn't prove anything. Koshi is like almost confirmed town for his play after being scumread by the whole day following TT's lynch. He fired up when TT got lynched, at a time when scum are disapointed rather than happy.
If you consider Koshi is town, who is your most likely scum and why ?


Someone. Probably tumblewood.

Why ?


Because I can't be wrong on everyone.

This is not a reason p: can you quote your reasons for thinking Tumble is scum


It's somewhere. Something gut with some logic attached.

OK then from the top of your head why is Tumble scum ?


- Passive bystander on gumshoe train.
- Posted some things d1 but nothing worth remembering (a trend throughout the game, doesn't seem to want anything to happen).
- Scum-claim ~30m pre-game. Then doesn't show up at start of day. When he does show up he is instantly serious.

What do you mean "passive bystander" ? He's been scumread for the exact opposite by rsoul actually. He commited to "gumshoe is lynchbait, one of the guy pushing him is scum":
On March 24 2016 12:29 Tumblewood wrote:
Seeing four people on the gumshoe wagon this early, I'm getting more lynchbait-y vibes from gumshoe. His entrance to the thread was super awkward, and it seems that that is a large basis for all of the votes except Vivax's. If he flips town, one of Superb, SL, Kurumi, and Vivax is scum.



"superbia pls gif reason from top of your head"
->
"WOW REASON 4c IS SHIT BECAUSE OF THIS EXACT QUOTE"

In my mind he was not actively participating in the argument with, and surrounding gumshoe. He did not seem to want to head in any direction. Hence I have him mentally noted down as passive bystander.

Well either you have reasons to scumread him or you have not. So since I can safely ignore the first reason since it's false, the last 2 are old and not getting into account what he did since EOD1. In fact here is where you explain your reasons to scumread Tumble in your fitler:
On March 24 2016 23:36 Superbia wrote:
Forgot about tumblewood guy so let's give him a scum-lean as well.

On March 25 2016 22:26 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2016 22:22 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On March 25 2016 22:17 Superbia wrote:
Everyone sticks around to see their role PM if you're around at that point, and if you roll town I expect you to make a witty remark after your pre-game scum claim.


And what would you expect from him as mafia?


Something like this? :p

Like what is your mindset before you start the game? Especially if you post a pre-game mafia claim? It's the mindset of fucking around, right? But tumblewood just vanishes and then starts off straight up serious.

Early D1 and late D1. Since then, there is no other reason to scumread Tumble, there is only the fact that Tumble is in your lynch list several times. And you just said you were OK with a Tumble lynch but you interacted with him that way EOD2:
On March 29 2016 06:20 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2016 06:17 ritoky wrote:
On March 29 2016 06:02 Superbia wrote:
Ritoky wutu think bout these wagons?


i think my opinion on rsoul has been pretty clear. it has softened a bit....not sure if to the point where she's anywhere near my town, but to the point where i am willing to consider seeing what she does/claims to do with the item and re-assess again after.

koshi i said was my yolo lynch, but that's like 30% omgus, 70% when he started yelling at me it didn't feel like full fledged town koshi rage. but i think those are pretty bad reasons tbh.

tumblewood....does anyone think he is town? i don't. he is kinda LHF, but i don't think there's particularly anything in his filter that makes me think he is town.

i think looking at the votes currently, i am vastly more comfortable with the people on tumble and koshi than on rsoul...i only think me and sl are town on rsoul which is pretty sketch....i also am not enthralled by the non-voters. i might move my vote, not exactly sure where yet......

as a side note, rels having a case against him and being afk the entire phase but getting 0 lynch traction reinforces my belief that there is a strong likelihood he is mafia.


I think rels is likely never VT. But I'm not entirely sure, usually his mafia game is pretty strong.

The fact that the tumblewood wagon formed so quickly despite the fact that multiple people soft defended him d1 makes me meh. I'd rather lynch koshi and see where his flip leads us.

On March 29 2016 06:39 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2016 06:39 Tumblewood wrote:
I can be on from now until a minute before deadline. I didn't vote Koshi, so the vote count is wrong. I will answer anything that I can do on a phone.


Who is mafia on your wagon?

Also vote Koshi.

So:
He answered that last question of yours and you didn't react to his answer. Apparently it was scummy since he's your most likely scum besides Koshi ?
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
March 29 2016 15:47 GMT
#2925
did superbia already explained why he said town would have lost the game if they mlyned again? And why he tried his bestest to make it happen?

Also was there anybody here who thought town would be fucked after a second ml?
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
March 29 2016 15:56 GMT
#2926
If Superbia didn't read his role pm the first 10 pages he is actually worse than me at playing scum.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
March 29 2016 15:56 GMT
#2927
That's an achievement.
I had a good night of sleep.
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5188 Posts
March 29 2016 16:15 GMT
#2928
Can anyone give me a quick synopsis of how SL plays blue?
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
March 29 2016 16:20 GMT
#2929
Woot no class for me until 12:30 for me due to class being canceled :D
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
March 29 2016 16:23 GMT
#2930
On March 30 2016 01:15 Shapelog wrote:
Can anyone give me a quick synopsis of how SL plays blue?

The only time I played with blue sicklucker was New Years Eve Party when he was a tracker and hammered his own check despite the fact that the person he tracked didn't go anywhere that night lol. But his play in that game was similar to his VT play at the time.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5188 Posts
March 29 2016 16:29 GMT
#2931
Alright then i am going to check database than.
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
March 29 2016 16:35 GMT
#2932
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/493411-newbie-student-mafia-xiv-firefly?user=Superbia&view=all

Got home. Read that filter. Just glaring at the post I see a shitton of aggressive in the moment wanting to solve the game posts within 30 seconds.

cba to read further.

100% mafia.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
March 29 2016 16:37 GMT
#2933
I really wonder how people like JAT just refuse to answer me yesterday when I was getting lynched and was asking about superbia.

I guess he was just praying I would die so he didn't need to comment on his scumbuddy.

Ohyeah we are going there.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
March 29 2016 16:38 GMT
#2934
Lynch superbia --> watch flip --> See what JAT had to say about superbia --> lynch JAT.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
March 29 2016 16:42 GMT
#2935
On March 28 2016 22:12 justanothertownie wrote:
So superbia is scum for interpreting a post that mentions reason not to lynch someone as a townread. And he is also scum for trying to defend said person you have reason not to lynch.
Do you see the problem with this?

harddefending buddy
On March 28 2016 22:32 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2016 22:30 Vivax wrote:
I don't even see why I should answer this question spam, they're just a way of keeping me busy and give no useful information. If anyone else has useful questions they can be answered.But JAT and super are on the lynch list.

The important thing I gained from this is that Koshi is most likely town cause he pointed the finger at the right guys recently.

My reads obviously changed since D1 based on stuff that has been happening.
Of course I react aggressively to someone using bad and scummy reasoning to try to mislynch me, especially when it's so easy to display how superbia didn't even read up to two posts previous to that post before inventing a reason to paint me scummy.

rofl
Please go ahead - this will be entertaining.

panicking
On March 28 2016 22:35 justanothertownie wrote:
Btw. it is entirely possible that Vivax is intentionally trying to sound as insane as possible to imitate his tinfoil meta. It won't be very successful though because this kneejerk OMGUS is just too bad.

this argument made me puke when I read it. It was really bad. I guess JAT had to discredit Vivax and show face.

It goes on. JAT really refuses to give his opinion on Superbia but attacks people that attack Superbia.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
March 29 2016 16:44 GMT
#2936
Go look for a real read JAT gave on Superbia.

Then put all the times JAT refused to talk about Superbia when I brought it up. Tried to get me off him by trying to enrage me.

Then look at how JAT refused to see Vivax made 100% sense, even attacked Vivax for scumreading somebody.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
March 29 2016 16:45 GMT
#2937
I am not yet saying JAT is mafia. But for sure he did some really questionable things around superbia.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
March 29 2016 16:50 GMT
#2938
All the post OWS made around superbia. Also the chain in which superbia attacks OWS for the constan nitpicking on him.
+ Show Spoiler +
On March 25 2016 22:14 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2016 22:13 Superbia wrote:
I liked that tumble claimed scum right before the game began and then disappeared for 20 hours.


That's not really what happened and you know it.

On March 25 2016 22:22 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2016 22:17 Superbia wrote:
Everyone sticks around to see their role PM if you're around at that point, and if you roll town I expect you to make a witty remark after your pre-game scum claim.


And what would you expect from him as mafia?

On March 26 2016 14:26 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2016 06:30 Superbia wrote:
Fuck I'm here. EDH took way too long.


Hm.
Hmmmm.

On March 27 2016 11:29 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2016 11:27 Koshi wrote:
oh superbia is also mafia. Damn. Maybe you aren't Damdred. I think I had you as slight townread.


Why?

QUOTE]On March 28 2016 03:27 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Also I'm not sure where I'd put Super on that list.
Maybe I'd throw him into null or something? I'm not entirely sure where I'd put him but confirmed mafia seems like way too much.
On March 28 2016 23:36 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2016 23:32 Superbia wrote:
On March 28 2016 23:31 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On March 28 2016 23:26 Superbia wrote:
This is not the first time you throwing soft suspicion my way, obi. Take a stance, what do you think of Vivax's reply? What is the important part of that post for you? And what does it make Vivax? What about myself? Where do you stand on my alignment?


There's nothing soft about it - it seemed like you picked the most minuscule part of the post to comment on.


It's the most important for me.


Like, how is this possible exactly?

On March 28 2016 23:53 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2016 23:40 Superbia wrote:
On March 28 2016 23:36 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On March 28 2016 23:32 Superbia wrote:
On March 28 2016 23:31 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On March 28 2016 23:26 Superbia wrote:
This is not the first time you throwing soft suspicion my way, obi. Take a stance, what do you think of Vivax's reply? What is the important part of that post for you? And what does it make Vivax? What about myself? Where do you stand on my alignment?


There's nothing soft about it - it seemed like you picked the most minuscule part of the post to comment on.


It's the most important for me.


Like, how is this possible exactly?


Because either he admits to lurking or has to explain his early (what could be considered tactical) departure from the thread. I don't want to explain how his answer would affect my read.


Fine, but I'm going to keep this in mind when he responds.

On March 29 2016 00:27 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2016 00:24 Superbia wrote:
On March 29 2016 00:21 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On March 29 2016 00:03 Vivax wrote:
On March 28 2016 23:31 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On March 28 2016 23:26 Superbia wrote:
This is not the first time you throwing soft suspicion my way, obi. Take a stance, what do you think of Vivax's reply? What is the important part of that post for you? And what does it make Vivax? What about myself? Where do you stand on my alignment?


There's nothing soft about it - it seemed like you picked the most minuscule part of the post to comment on.


He also picked on the most miniscule parts of my filter to pick on, twice.


I know, he did that earlier in the game with tumble where he accused him of being scum because of pregame stuff.
It's really starting to wear on me.


Your top scum? Can't wait to see you connect these dots to my alignment.


Tumble's alignment is irrelevant wrt your method of scum reading him, ftr.

On March 29 2016 07:12 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Also Superbia is pretty high up there in my mafia ratings atm.

[/QUOTE]
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
March 29 2016 16:54 GMT
#2939
Pretty sure I can figure out Obi with a bit more time. He isn't top priority but he is still potential mafia.

Can't shake the feeling he did filthy things during TT lynch.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
March 29 2016 17:00 GMT
#2940
On March 28 2016 16:53 ritoky wrote:
bleh a claim fiesta....


On March 28 2016 17:04 ritoky wrote:
reading this phase has made me kinda remember why i stopped playing on another forum i played on. and why i don't sign up for a lot of games with tons of PRs....cuz if you roll VT i feel like the game becomes less about reading people and a battle of wits and more about evaluating PRs and their claims and its kinda meh feeling.



Complains about blue claims etc etc after his early game with the fucking car which was either:
a) good mafia play
b) terrible shit town play

But w.e. This is just hypocrisy that could maybe come from both alignments.

BUT THEN LITERALLY THE NEXT POST:

On March 28 2016 17:14 ritoky wrote:
i will be the first one to tell you rsoul that my execution of that plan was bad. the plan is good, execution bad. said it a bunch of times and have since moved on cuz if i bring it up people take that opportunity to call me an idiot and being called bad/trash/dumb gets old so i will just keep my disagreements on the matter to myself going forward.

i posted the picture -> people aren't grasping what i am doing because they scroll past the picture w/o thinking -> i make a post indicating the picture is a play -> that post was dumb and i shoulda just stayed quiet to let it develop -> the play then becomes a clusterfuck. basically it fucked up because i, as a player, am bad at staying quiet and on the sidelines when i am available to post. if that explanation doesn't reach you, that's on you cuz it is the truth.

outside of that, which i guess i can understand how my filter can be read as me utilizing my play to confirm myself rather than build something (altho i do tend to try and find ridiculous ways to confirm myself as town); no i don't understand how i can be read mafia. i have deep reads, not as much as i would like but that's due to the holiday primarily, have spent a lot of time attempting to drive the game forward or develop my reads (i mean a lot of this is at your expense so i guess you wouldn't view it as useful)....and i think some of what i have done and said i can't do as mafia....so yeah i think i am pretty blatantly town outside of the fact that i was spamming the word expedition and claiming VT and then a VT flipped as an expedition member.

Starts talking about his fucking claim thing. So at this point the hypocrisy is overloading or he is just mafia trying to find an excuse to not play the game.

You think it stops there? Think again:
On March 28 2016 17:19 ritoky wrote:
rsoul is the only person who claimed reactively or due to provocation right?

every1 else has claimed pro-actively; SL and kuru not in conjunction with a flip...that correct?

also kuru was your shot refunded after shooting koshi? that could be telling if you shot into prot or a rb because aren't rb bullets refunded generally and prot bullets not?

tries to solve rsoultin her alignment through her claim
On March 28 2016 17:43 ritoky wrote:
from the way her role reads i think the balance is in, they don't know eachother, there is no confirmation of same alignment 1 could be making items for the other and the other is red, and that 1 makes the other uses, so if 1 dies the other becomes useless-ish?

On March 28 2016 17:48 ritoky wrote:
i am trying to evaluate if it is even worth lynching rsoul today.....supposedly she has an item that has a 50% chance of turning into an action or blowing up and being useless immediately upon night phase correct?

so the options are:
1 - town -> item -> potential useful information
2 - town -> nothing -> we are at the same place tomorrow
3 - mafia -> item -> net loss, will probably say no item or lie about usage to seem more town
4 - mafia -> nothing -> we are at the same place tomorrow


ugh that's a shitty EV imo




So I don't know where the "I am not playing this game because all the claims and blueroles" came from. But he can't do anything else.
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