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Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
April 16 2016 04:15 GMT
#6181
It was honestly ny fault I came to the correct answer for the actual good reasons, tmi a case that is to good. Hedging and then I wifom myself and I was still on the edge but idk how I needed to get through to Scott thee
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
April 16 2016 04:28 GMT
#6182
Or rather I know what Scott could of done.

but I don't see what I could of dome there to prove I was town to Scott either. Like I probably did most work in lylo which isn't saying much. If Scott thinks shape is town there's no reason as scum that I should ever switch there games over.

idk I know I should of just went with the good evidence I found instead of wifom and then things went crazy and it sucks meh.
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
April 16 2016 04:34 GMT
#6183
On April 16 2016 12:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2016 12:41 sicklucker wrote:
holy fuck why are you being a cunt fuck you. were not even talking about anything like that

I am not being a cunt. I am saying two things:
1) Being and SK (which is normal) even with a vest is worse than being an SK with a jailkeeper WITH you. Complaining about 3p balance in this case is just ridiculous.
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2016 12:46 sicklucker wrote:
I acualy stand by my claim with the information I had. We dont all have perfect information haters. I saw 3 kp missing and expected mafia to shoot me

2) You got away with your claim, sure. Well played sir! (or idk if it was though since mafia wanted to rolecop you on N1 anyways). You shouldn't have though.


you brought up a random insult just to be mean. no one was remotely talking about my play this game like at all.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
April 16 2016 04:36 GMT
#6184
On April 16 2016 07:33 Palmar wrote:

Combat Medic: Essentially a medic who saves 1 kp at night. However if he makes a successful save he has to make a choice. Either he stays with his target, keeping him alive as long as he stays, or he leaves his patient to die. The idea is to make medic less punishing for mafia, similar to my reanimator role. Damdred saved JAT on n1, but got roleblocked n2, preventing him to stick with jat, causing jat to die.


This is a pretty interesting role, probably my fav from this game.


Doctor; The town investigative role. We thought given that there was no cop hate at all in the game (millers/godfathers) that every night cop role would be too strong. We considered an "even night cop", ie a cop that can only check on even nights, and the roleblock n1 -> check n2 idea came from that. I think it's a decent role, but a parity cop is probably a better slow cop role. Basically the guy picks a guy n1, roleblocks him that night, then gets a result at the end of n2 on that guys alignment. Vivax roleblocked Kurumi n1.


Idk about this one, if only because the name is rather confusing when roles aren't known. It also sounds a little powerful, unless this was a one-shot type deal.


Forensics Expert: Could have "confirmed" slam had he lived. Investigative role that knows the alignment of the killer of any player who is dead. Useful for detecting there is a 3rd party in the game and to confirm vigilante claims. Good low power role, I'm sort of okay with it, but not overly happy.


Mixed feelings about this one. If used well it could be rather powerful and I could see this screwing over a fake claim pretty hard (or even a "legit" claim like Kuri's). I can see the value for town especially with 3p, but if I'm understanding it right this role provides a shit ton of info for town.


Brood Mother/Tentacled Monster: So the idea here was to split up the normal SK role (which is bulletproof vigilante, essentially) into two roles. The advantage is that suddenly the SK is a faction, there's two people to plan and talk to and they have more combined pull in the thread. The disadvantage is that because the protection part of the SK faction is a jailer, it means that they can only either protect the SK faction leader (brood mother) OR they can shoot. They can't do both at the same time.

If the Brood mother dies, the faction is eliminated. Thus if sicklucker would've died before superbia, superbia would have died with him. On the other hand, it's ok to lose the jailer, it just means the sk has no protection left and has lost his teammate.

I sort of like this implementation of an SK, but I would advise against using it too much. In fact 3p should probably in general be used sparingly (I only use them in storm games generally). But I was pretty much okay with how they turned out this game.


I agree with Palmar's assesment here, interesting implimentation of an SK. I've seen similar 2 player factions before, I forget the game but Mafia was like an Iron Don and a Medic (was that the game rayn tried to run?)

@SL I don't think Shape had any choice but to start picking off you guys. He was solo and couldn't afford a random KP from you guys to hit him. Also pretty sure mafia and SK can't win together, though I suppose if you kept killing town it would have been good for him.

...wait you guys Killed rsoul N2 though. Yea you had to die (unless it was actually a backfire from her Engi thing).
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
April 16 2016 04:39 GMT
#6185
Def don't think I'll play in any more closed setup games. At least this one had flip info, but having all KP blocked N1 was pretty demoralizing and not having a clue what the roles did even after flipping felt pretty meh.

Idk, just not my cup of tea I suppose.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
April 16 2016 04:44 GMT
#6186
On April 16 2016 13:34 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2016 12:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On April 16 2016 12:41 sicklucker wrote:
holy fuck why are you being a cunt fuck you. were not even talking about anything like that

I am not being a cunt. I am saying two things:
1) Being and SK (which is normal) even with a vest is worse than being an SK with a jailkeeper WITH you. Complaining about 3p balance in this case is just ridiculous.
On April 16 2016 12:46 sicklucker wrote:
I acualy stand by my claim with the information I had. We dont all have perfect information haters. I saw 3 kp missing and expected mafia to shoot me

2) You got away with your claim, sure. Well played sir! (or idk if it was though since mafia wanted to rolecop you on N1 anyways). You shouldn't have though.


you brought up a random insult just to be mean. no one was remotely talking about my play this game like at all.


I thought you played pretty well overall. Rayn does have a point that your claim should have told more people you were probably 3p though...

Don't let his matter-of-fact style opinions get to you though, just rayn being rayn.

Sorry I know nothing about 3p win rate, but tbh I think this was a rough game for every alignment.
I can take that responsibility.
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
April 16 2016 04:58 GMT
#6187
lol
Retired.
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
April 16 2016 12:03 GMT
#6188
Shape, my thanks and congratulations! I will comment on the setup later
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
April 16 2016 12:17 GMT
#6189
On April 16 2016 13:39 Tictock wrote:
Def don't think I'll play in any more closed setup games. At least this one had flip info, but having all KP blocked N1 was pretty demoralizing and not having a clue what the roles did even after flipping felt pretty meh.

Idk, just not my cup of tea I suppose.

To be fair, the KP blocks could have happened any game. Kurumi played like mafia and got roleblocked by town, and JAT is a fairly easy shot for a doctor to protect.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
April 16 2016 12:19 GMT
#6190
On April 16 2016 09:43 sicklucker wrote:
Super made some really good points about how unbalanced it is for third part to win. There was like 16 players? 100/8 =12.5 and I feel thats around how often you expect third party to be able to win this.

As someone who has no idea how setups are made what do you expect third partys expected winrate to be? Now 33% seems a little much but 12% seems really low.

Not only do I have to be the last player alive basicly but I had to dodge two inct roles mafia kp town kp. and If im ever shot im pretty much outed or on lifesupport for a day. 12% might be generous

There is no expected win %, there's no way to reliably calculate that.

But yes, 3p is not expected to win, really. The idea of a 3p is to give someone a chance to play sort of a no strings attached game but the downside is a low chance of actually winning.

I, personally, enjoy playing third parties a lot. It's nice to not really have to worry about the game so much as you can just hang around, shoot people and enjoy life. But some people don't enjoy that as much.

The game is essentially balanced around town and mafia, and 3p is just sort of added in for flavor. It's always gonna be rough to win as third party.
Computer says mafia
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
April 16 2016 16:12 GMT
#6191
Enjoyable game, but too many shallow reads were given based on claims on D2, and as you see post game Palmar tries to counter claimfests with his setups.

Kinda sad VA got lynched, probably the first game in which he could have been TR.

Shape played well and did a good job during the TT shenannies to get himself off the radar for enough days to reach lylo.

Only thing I really would criticize town for is that I was the only guy who noticed superbia making really contrived arguments and not noticing how scummy SLs claim was. But he killed rsoultin I think so kinda good he didnt get lynched previously.

Well deserved scum win. Obi and VA weren't good lynches.
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