[Patch 6.1] Old Game New Season Gameplay Discussion - Page 2
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Osmoses
Sweden5302 Posts
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FinestHour
United States18466 Posts
On January 15 2016 17:59 Alaric wrote: Your portrait. Not bad of a reminder I guess, especially set up so long in advance. BLAST FROM THE PAST im having fun reading about this character select drama and this thunderlords thing | ||
Ketara
United States15065 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + It depends on what your AP/AD are, since DFT's ratios are now so much higher. You'll normally start a game with like, 30 AP. That doesn't change tooooo much before your first back. We'll assume you've got Natural Talent just for funsies. So a level 1 Thunderlords does about 13.25 damage. A level 1 DFT hit does about 15.15 damage. At level 2: Thunderlords - 23.35 DFT - 15.3 At level 3: Thunderlords - 33.45 DFT - 15.55 At level 4: Thunderlords - 43.55 DFT - 15.8 At level 5: Thunderlords - 53.65 DFT - 16.15 At level 6: Thunderlords - 63.75 DFT - 16.3 So, at level 1 DFT is straight better than Thunderlords. At levels 2-3 it's better as long as you hit them at least twice for each time the Thunderlords guy gets a proc, which should be doable on a lot of champions if you trade aggressively and efficiently. At levels 4-5 it's better/equal as long as you hit them at least three times for each time the Thunderlords guy gets a proc, which is probably possible but no longer particularly doable unless you're dominating the lane anyway. At level 6 it's better if you hit them at least 4 times for each time the Thunderlords guy gets a proc, which is probably no longer particularly possible. Once you go to base and buy AP the situation changes somewhat. Lets say you base and buy an NLR or whatever, and come back at level 6 with 100 AP or so. 100 AP at level 6 you get: Thunderlords - 70 damage DFT - 33 damage So that puts you back in that range where as long as you hit the guy twice per Thunderlords proc it's about the same. Conclusions: At levels 1-3 they're really pretty similar if the DFT champ is a champ that uses DFT well. At levels 4-6 Thunderlords is probably stronger regardless of champion matchup. After your first back it depends on how much AP you have. In general Thunderlords will be strong in earlier parts of the game at lower items, and DFT will be strong in later parts of the game at higher numbers of items. None of this however is taking into account Precision, which is really stupid good on champions that do any sort of mixed damage, which includes basically the early game of all ranged APs. So, If you are - A champion who does a lot of DoT damage (Cassiopeia?, Brand?, Malzahar?), DFT is probably pretty good. A champion who has single target ranged skills that hover around a 4 second cooldown and doesn't do a lot of mixed damage (Ryze?), DFT is probably pretty good. A champion who is never aggressive early game and plays for late game almost exclusively (Not sure who this applies to anymore. Karthus?), DFT is probably pretty good. All this counts double if your champion fits one of these categories and also happens to be melee (Rumble?, Kassadin? Pantheon?) But if you like early game (Syndra?), do AoE damage (Viktor?), have assassinationy burst combos (Leblanc?), do mixed damage (Kayle?), aren't going to buy AD/AP early in the game (supports?), or auto a lot in early trades (Annie?), Thunderlords is probably the better way to go. Doubly so if you have any kind of special Thunderlords synergy (Lux?) | ||
FinestHour
United States18466 Posts
everyone spamming this thunderlords on every possible guy huh | ||
PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On January 16 2016 10:19 FinestHour wrote: so do you never take anything in last tier ferocity besides deathfire touch on certain mages everyone spamming this thunderlords on every possible guy huh The 2nd to last Ferocity mastery and the ferocity keystones aren't as strong as precision +thunderlords. You might see Vayne go the movespeed keystone instead of thunderlords, now that the movespeed is buffed, but i dunno. But the % penetration is only bonus armor/MR which is only better than precision when the opponent has over 110 bonus armor/Mres. Which means precision both helps in lane, and is more helpful in teamfights except when beating on a tank, and 110 Bonus armor is about the break even point for the new LW analogs (lord dominiks is super strong) vs old LW. | ||
FinestHour
United States18466 Posts
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
it takes an awful amount of time people are awful at picks bans my team is awful everything is awful But seriously I'm not sure why Riot had to redesign the entire UI... I like being able to sort-of pick a role, though it didnt really matter to me the majority of the time. And I'm ranked after a single match? Seems a little arbitrary to just dump me in Plat. User was warned for this post | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On January 16 2016 12:35 NeoIllusions wrote: With ADC jungles getting slightly more popular (we're seeing competitive double, even triple ADC teams in some regions), it really boggles my mind the amount of damage that comes from Jungle Graves at times. It's not even like his clear speed is poor. The scary thing is how tanky he can get while doing that damage. Maw and/or Sterak almost guarantee's he live through long enough to get his rotation off + 2 autos. Also, with corki's new passive, RFC's prevalence, and Thunderlords, you don't lose any damage diversity going 2-3 ADC's like you did before. | ||
MooMooMugi
United States10531 Posts
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
Too bad they lost. | ||
wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On January 16 2016 12:58 NeoIllusions wrote: idk about how viable 4 ADC comp is but EDG played with a 3 ADC comp last night with Top Shen and Support Trundle to round off the front line. + Show Spoiler [result] + Too bad they lost. But they had FireLoLi. If that's not sand bagging... I dunno what is. | ||
Slusher
United States19143 Posts
On January 16 2016 12:58 NeoIllusions wrote: idk about how viable 4 ADC comp is but EDG played with a 3 ADC comp last night with Top Shen and Support Trundle to round off the front line. + Show Spoiler [result] + Too bad they lost. I mean ROX(KOO)'s 3 adc + lb isn't really any squishier than 4 adc would be | ||
ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
If Riot can balance we can go back to all AD is enemy team can be countered by a couple bruisers and once there's enough armor GG unless you have an absolutely disgusting AP threat somewhere. I guess you could do Corki + some immobile guy like Brand? Well, in theory any ways. Maybe new Shen will help with his anti-auto skill. | ||
cLutZ
United States19554 Posts
On January 16 2016 13:21 Slusher wrote: I mean ROX(KOO)'s 3 adc + lb isn't really any squishier than 4 adc would be Do all these comps have kindred? Because they sound like they need kindred to work. | ||
Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On January 16 2016 12:42 wei2coolman wrote: The scary thing is how tanky he can get while doing that damage. Maw and/or Sterak almost guarantee's he live through long enough to get his rotation off + 2 autos. Also, with corki's new passive, RFC's prevalence, and Thunderlords, you don't lose any damage diversity going 2-3 ADC's like you did before. Imagine wording it "he's so tanky, Lucian can live long enough for a rotation plus usinng his passive twice!" which is, well, about the minimum you get in a fight if you don't get initiated upon. | ||
Sermokala
United States13545 Posts
On January 16 2016 12:35 NeoIllusions wrote: With ADC jungles getting slightly more popular (we're seeing competitive double, even triple ADC teams in some regions), it really boggles my mind the amount of damage that comes from Jungle Graves at times. It's not even like his clear speed is poor. has anyone tried draven jungle? | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
Haven't seen a resurgence of Draven (like we're seeing with Lucian) outside of the usual NA one trick ponies/Draven mains. Definitely no Jungle Dravens on my radar. | ||
FinestHour
United States18466 Posts
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