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Blazinghand

United States25550 Posts

November 03 2015 18:39 GMT

#3741

On November 03 2015 22:28 Hopeless1der wrote:

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If this is a mislynch, it is not 100% my fault. I'll take like 90% of the blame. But here, you want us to lose, and I checked, I'm allowed to help.
##Vote: Hopeless1der

The day is still young, kiddo, so I'm gonna level with you real quick and see what you got. Right now, we're at 3-2 LYLO, right? It's just you, me gummy, Chrom, and Vivax. This game got real small real fast, and it means that now more than ever your incessant lurking and non-contribution is obvious to us. Since you seem a little mad and don't understand what's going on, I'm gonna lay out the offer to you that I make to pretty much everyone in your position:

Don't stop talking. Make a case. You're not the only scum, if you're scum, and if you're town, you should definitely be able to finger a scum or two. Nothing you say will make me think you're town, but convince me someone is EVEN SCUMMIER than you are, and I'll consider lynching that guy first. Don't go quietly into the night; make lots of noise, show me what your'e made of. Maybe you haven't read the game much; don't worry, you only have 4 filters to look at. Take a look at the final vote counts, how people are treating you and each other today, and who's alive and what their filters say. Make a damn case. If you're scum, ignore this, but if you're town, have some damn pride.

Don't just flop around like a useless ass. That's now what you do as town, not ever.

Whatever disagreements I might have with GB and how he plays, he at least understood this: He raged against the night. He didn't vote for himself. He didn't even have his vote on you, he had his vote on Vivax; he was yelling about his case, calling his scumreads scum, arguing with all his might. Granted, this didn't make him look particularly townie, but in retrospect, yeah, this was a fairly town thing to do. It is entirely in the honor of Glowingbear that I'm even talking to you. HE said you were a coinflip, not sure scum, so I'm laying this out for you because GB isn't here to talk in your defense.

Look at how GB went out:

On November 02 2015 02:54 GlowingBear wrote:

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What else you want me to discuss, Viv? You want me repeat that the case on me is wrong because meta is bad? Or that I think you're mafia because of tone read and that you repeatedly said you were ready to un scum read me and to sheep my case, then suddenly you town read gum shoe again without interacting with him and there I am again on the chopping block for you?

Do you want me to discuss BH? That I think he is too certain on a team that should look impossible? That he has being wishy washy on me day1 and day2, townreading ME from time to time then suddenly I'm 100% scum?

Do you want me to say again I think chrome is town for effort and gumshoe is town because I don't think he would act so low?

That hopeless could be town especially when Onegu tried to divert the wagon to him?

What else do you want?

On November 02 2015 03:28 GlowingBear wrote:

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Hopeless is always a question mark. If you can afford a second mislynch (after I die), go for hopeless. If not, then go for Vivax which I think is way scummier.

On November 02 2015 03:38 GlowingBear wrote:

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On November 02 2015 03:35 gumshoe wrote:

On November 02 2015 03:30 Blazinghand wrote:

On November 02 2015 03:19 gumshoe wrote:

On November 02 2015 03:15 Chromatically wrote:

On November 02 2015 03:05 gumshoe wrote:

On November 02 2015 02:54 Chromatically wrote:

On November 02 2015 02:50 gumshoe wrote:

On November 02 2015 02:47 Chromatically wrote:
Honestly, I don't know what my preference is really (on GB/Hopeless today) so I was just planning on going with whatever most people wanted to do to prevent some crazy voteswitches if people went insane or something. I've thought about what would happen if either player flipped either alignment, and I believe that the next lynch is always the other player.

I want GB because knowing what the wagons are is nice, he's getting harder to lynch (especially if Hopeless is town and we go to LYLO), he's very likely to be mafia from play, and personal gratification.

I want Hopeless because it feels incorrect to let him live another day without playing, and because he's very likely to be mafia just from his vote yesterday.

Maybe this is getting to far ahead, but in the event that we lynched Hopeless today and he flipped mafia, I think it's pretty important that we lynch GB next and not at LYLO. That way, in the event that GB is town, we have maximum information at LYLO on the D3 wagons so we can determine what the most likely last mafia is. I guess this scenario is unlikely though because it's not LYLO if Hopeless is mafia so GB probably gets lynched.

So I'm not sure if any of these reasons is better than the others.

sure we can lynch gb tommorow, as I dont see vivax getting lynched till lylo(you want a slippery one, there ya go). But yeah, we need to kill hopeless today, gb and vivax arent scum together so hopeless must be.

Yeah... although it's technically possible the team is something insane like GB+ritoky I guess? It's pretty hard to see a world where it's not Hopeless (although it's pretty hard for me to see not GB too).

I'm just worried that you won't go on GB again tomorrow gumshoe, you betrayed me once before after yamato

I'm sorry ) : your right I do owe you one, if you really really really wanna kill gb I wont oppose it ok? It's just not the optimal move ) : also if the team could BE something with ritoky, wouldnt it be better to know now before lylo? Gb's kill doesn't tell us anything about that T_T

I'm not entirely sure what the correct move is here. GB's kill would tell us about the wagons yesterday (which we don't get form Hopeless), so that we can start considering bus possibilities if GB was town?

The only way lynching one of them before the other is a problem is if both of them are town. So, we should lynch whichever one will give us the best information to decide if the other one could be town. If GB is town, then we can start considering whether the team was stacked on him (with Hopeless) or if it's some crazy bus (even though we should lynch Hopeless next anyway). If Hopeless is town, then... I don't think we get very much about other from that? Lynching for information feels bad but I think it's the best tiebreaker?

if we lynch gb and hes scum, we probally just lynch hopeless and then vivax the following day anyways, nothing really changes,

if we lynch gb and hes town, same story, we dont alter course

If we lynch hopeless and hes scum, again, we stay the course

if we lynch hopeless and hes town, that means ethier way we have a complex bus between vivax and gb, or someone in the town circle is scum.

Basically we have 4 outcomes, and only one of them has us changing course / : the only information that matters is the one you have to act on, therefore if you lynch for info, hopeless is the superior choice.

Wait, whey are we abandoning the H1 lynch if GB flips scum/town? I feel like we were all together on this before the Onegu flip: we lynch Onegu, Gb, and H1. Now the Onegu flip happens and everyone's freaking out. Why are we freaking out? Things are going great. I mean, yeah, vivax has turned into a suspicious motherfucker, but we have a spare lynch for him anyways. I think we got this on lockdown.

Yeah support for the GB wagon has been gradually shot by scum for the past few days.

H1 dies no matter what, if he flips green, then we have to reconsider stuff (as in how likely is it that gb bussed vivax day 1)

but I really doubt h1 WONT flip scum.

HAHAHA the game where people were acumreading me until LYLO because I was useless. GJ Vivax.

And if you really doubt hopeless won't flip scum you should be voting him since you thought I could be town a few hours ago when I made my case on gumshoe.

You're clearly mafia and it amuses me people can't see.

On November 02 2015 03:56 GlowingBear wrote:
EBWOP:

Anyway, call me lazy as much as you want, but contrary to what you're saying, I've been here giving opinion on people all the time after raging 3 or 4 times.

It should be crystal clear I'm town after I had my reads and my retraction from gumshoe.

Most of all, it is a sad day when a guy with 13 pages of filter is getting lynched over a guy who has only 3. And we both are obvious scum to you all.

On November 02 2015 06:37 GlowingBear wrote:
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Hey

I was thinking about this

When Jesus died on the cross, whose fault was it? The people that killed him or his because he couldn't prove his innocence?

The man was a pain to play with, and yes, a hilarious awful martyr, but he was also a champ. He made an impression. I can tell you what his reads are, and why he believed them (misguided though he was). So, Hopeless1, where are your cases? Write them. If you're town, don't just write them to save yourself, write them for your honor or your e-peen. Finger both scum with glorious cases if you think you're up to it, then call us bad in the post-game. I fucking DARE you to catch two scum, if you're town. If you do, and we mislynch you, I give you the right to gloat all over me about how you're a superior scumhunter. MAN UP. GlowingBear died and one of the last things he said was that you shouldn't be lynched first. Do it for him, if nothing else.

Show me what you got, if you really got anything to show.

Anything less I'm just ignoring as the flailings of caught scum.

gumshoe

Canada3602 Posts

November 03 2015 19:11 GMT

#3742

On November 04 2015 03:13 Hopeless1der wrote:

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On November 04 2015 01:01 gumshoe wrote:

On November 04 2015 00:50 Hopeless1der wrote:

On November 04 2015 00:05 gumshoe wrote:

On November 03 2015 22:28 Hopeless1der wrote:

On November 03 2015 11:07 gumshoe wrote:

On November 03 2015 10:09 Hopeless1der wrote:

On November 03 2015 09:49 gumshoe wrote:

On November 03 2015 09:34 Hopeless1der wrote:

On November 03 2015 08:36 gumshoe wrote:
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look..... dont get me wrong, its not you man, its us, we just really really prefer vanilla T_T

racists.

Gumshoe, what happens if I'm town?

Then you failed us and we lose ) : for which you should feel really really bad t-t

so then you understand the gravity of the situation. Why did you let me live yesterday?

I don't magically decide who town lynches, I pushed for you over gb all day yesterday(if you were actually reading you would know that), but bh and chrom weren't having it, I enjoy playing with them and I know they're town, so wasn't exactly eager to shout them into submission when I might have still been wrong about gb.

Don't foist your predicament off onto me man : P if this is a mislynch it is utterly and completely your fault. But you are scum so don't worry about it too much / : just try a little harder next time k?

If this is a mislynch, it is not 100% my fault. I'll take like 90% of the blame. But here, you want us to lose, and I checked, I'm allowed to help.
##Vote: Hopeless1der

If you are town you've taken things out of my hands / : by playing the way you have I probably couldn't defend you now even if I wanted too. Which I don't, cause you scum

Thats the thing, everyone has called me scum so why wasnt I even remotely close to dying yesterday? I'm the lynchbaitiest lynchbait there is, especially this game. I havent really seen any defense of me since day 1. I mean if you're ready to afk and ignore me, do it. I wont blame you, everyone else has.

Nah I'll talk : D the reason was we basically deduced that given the play of everyone here, scum had to be among three people, which meant we could lynch those three in any order. Gb took priority because he was actively pissing people off in thread, basically people really wanted him gone/ were sure he was scum, as opposed to you who was already gone period : P

But I apologize for not killing you yesterday hopeless ) : the townies had a vendetta and scum went along with' it's that's why you didn't die, but don't worry, we'll fix it today : D

and that doesnt seem awfully convenient?

not really, chrom and bhs reads onto gb were fine, I just disagreed based off tone and conflicting agendas popping up in his play, I wasn't likely to convince them because I knew they had put a ton of effort into their reads, and again, maybe I was wrong about gb, who knows.

We don't have to speak to what ritoky was thinking, cause he dead, that leaves you and vivax, vivax isn't going to turn down a free mislynch, so hes whatever, and you aren't going to be voting for yourself for obs reasons -_-

The only thing that is at all note worthy, is me not shoving my opinion further down the throats of other townies(though I did push it quite hard, youd know if you actually bothered to read, should do that plox), which I was reluctant to do as unlike rayn and gb, chrom and bh were not playing badly at all / : and I did I owe chrome a sheep.

See it's easy to say things are "convenient" by looking at the result, but that quickly unravels once you vet each person related to the lynch / : like an 0-3 were every game is a down to the wire base race / : you gotta watch for what actually happened instead of just drawing conclusions from the punch line.

Vivax

21682 Posts

November 03 2015 21:05 GMT

#3743

I would be happier if he happened to be town but I doubt it.

Chromatically

United States1700 Posts

November 03 2015 23:02 GMT

#3744

After rereading D1 I'm once again sold on the Vivax-Hopeless team.

gumshoe actually pushed Onegu and Hopeless D1 (like, a lot), essentially from his first few posts, and he's the first to say that he would be down switching to Onegu "to spare slam and rayn", not something I see mafia ever saying. This post was super town too, consider that it describes exactly what he's done this game:

On October 22 2015 08:59 gumshoe wrote:

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No,simply that you should acknowledge that your bad at reading my alignment when im actually playing / : similar to how I'm actually shit at catching mafia in general. Historically all my big cases that I've dumped a ton of passion and love in to have been ugly busts.

I'm taking a more dispassionate stance this game and though I will certainly provide reads free of charge I rather not be pushed incessantly to do so and become enamored with my own garbage.

I'm kinda tired of being the proto pants on head townie, whose only use is to prove his townie alignment via his imaginative stupidity. I'm playing to win this time : P so when and if I have good reads, you'll hearem(may very well just sheep /

. For now I think chrome is scum based off what I said before, but that might change if the situation calls for it.

Bh is probally town (i liked the answers he gave and read his filter a bit more), Ritoky is town, your a meanie and everyone else except chrome is not particularly notable.

BH's vote switch onto Onegu didn't seem as likely to go through as I remember it being (it started from 9 on Slam/0 on Onegu, and ended at 7 Slam/3 Onegu). But, it would be super risky to do as mafia because not many people had expressed a desire to not lynch Onegu (basically everyone except rayn and marv were possible switchers onto Onegu), so BH really had no way of knowing how many people would switch with him. And, BH had a scumread on both me and Onegu at the time. As mafia, it would be much safer to push shenannies on me first if he's just doing it to look active than risk actually killing his partner.

Vivax doesn't seem anywhere near as townie as people thought he was on D1, I'm not sure why everyone gave him that town read. When everyone is expressing whether or not they want to switch to Onegu (me, marv, Xatalos all explicitly say that we don't want to), Vivax only says this, without committing to a stance on it.

On October 24 2015 05:49 Vivax wrote:
what are theae onegu hipster votea

Already said that Hopeless' D1 just feels like he's going around asking a bunch of useless questions to look active. Awkward interaction for bonus points:

On October 23 2015 05:57 Hopeless1der wrote:

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Are you trying to get spite lynched? I may not be the most suited to make threats, but if you continue to play up the bravado without contributing I will fully support lynching you.

I guess I don't really need to convince anyone with this post but I thought I'd say what I found anyway. Going to keep reading through the game over the next few days.

Chromatically

United States1700 Posts

November 03 2015 23:03 GMT

#3745

On October 23 2015 11:59 GlowingBear wrote:
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~ Could lynch harder:

Onegu (I can never read him and I hated that he said he would sheep me - gives me deja vu from last game where he was mafia against me - him being more invested in this game is usually a bad sign)
Hopeless1der (useless - feels like his play in Avogadro's Mini Mafia)
Vivax (I disagree with everyone, being confident =/= being straight forward and giving unexplained town passes, especially from a guy that I remember seeing flipping his reads constantly based on tinfoil theories. Here I see a guy with static reads that are never updated

...

This was pretty funny too. Whoopsies sorry GB!

gumshoe

Canada3602 Posts

November 03 2015 23:42 GMT

#3746

On November 04 2015 08:03 Chromatically wrote:

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This was pretty funny too. Whoopsies sorry GB!

yeah, to be fair, if gb was a monster by the end, we kinda made him that way / : he was totally right and everyone slammed him for it XD

Vivax

21682 Posts

November 03 2015 23:59 GMT

#3747

Idk who could be the last mafia at this point, too many doubts.
But if you're going to lynch me tomorrow, you can do it today and end the game earlier with a scum victory.

I'm not going to vote myself for wincon reasons but you should if you aren't prone to believe into me being townie.

Else all the hopeless lynch will do is delay this by another cycle, and I'm tired of this game. I don't believe the other 2 townies will change their mind.

gumshoe

Canada3602 Posts

November 04 2015 00:25 GMT

#3748

On November 04 2015 08:59 Vivax wrote:
Idk who could be the last mafia at this point, too many doubts.
But if you're going to lynch me tomorrow, you can do it today and end the game earlier with a scum victory.

I'm not going to vote myself for wincon reasons but you should if you aren't prone to believe into me being townie.

Else all the hopeless lynch will do is delay this by another cycle, and I'm tired of this game. I don't believe the other 2 townies will change their mind.

oks

Blazinghand

United States25550 Posts

November 04 2015 20:55 GMT

#3749

Well, looks like we've got this pretty well wrapped up. Hopeless1 hasn't been responding or posting anything. In an hour, we either lose or go to 1-scum LYLO. I can't imagine anything that would convince me to change my vote at this point.

Chromatically

United States1700 Posts

November 04 2015 21:03 GMT

#3750

this would be pretty anticlimactic if Hopeless was town

Blazinghand

United States25550 Posts

November 04 2015 21:19 GMT

#3751

yeah, but what are you gonna do, right?

Blazinghand

United States25550 Posts

November 04 2015 21:35 GMT

#3752

that's a rhetorical question. don't do anything.

I am in blood stepp'd so far, that should I wade no more, returning were as tedious as go'er. We lynched 1G and GB. Now we lynch H1.

Chromatically

United States1700 Posts

November 04 2015 21:40 GMT

#3753

lol yeah no shenannies today I think, stay the course

Blazinghand

United States25550 Posts

November 04 2015 21:41 GMT

#3754

stay the course!

Chromatically

United States1700 Posts

November 04 2015 21:56 GMT

#3755

let's goooooooooo

Blazinghand

United States25550 Posts

November 04 2015 21:59 GMT

#3756

hah. i'm nervous too.

Rels

France13467 Posts

November 04 2015 22:00 GMT

#3757

Night 5

A young Fidei approached the Demarquette boutique store with his dad after they had finished the rugby match.

Fidei was in the mood for ice cream with melted dark chocolate as a post-game treat, it would be something to cheer him up after his team had gotten drubbed at Twickenham. His father went to the counter and ordered two ice cream scoops with the melted chocolate on top.

The lady looked down over at Fidei who looked up at her innocently before she was sharply realising that with their own supply of chocolate
having been slashed because of an investigation into their supply chain she had been unable to use enough chocolate required for the fudge and syrup toppings.

"I'm dreadfully sorry," she replied to Fidei, "but we are unable to make the fudge topping as we are short on the chocolate blend required for it."

Fidei ran out of the store crying. The poor lad couldn't catch a break.

Hopelesss1der, a Chocolate Conspirator (Mafia Goon), has been assassinated!

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Final Day 5 Quality Control

Hopeless1der (5): Blazinghand, Chromatically, gumshoe, Vivax, Hopelesss1der

We have discovered Hopelesss1der to be a chocolate saboteur!
Day 5 has ended.

It is now Night 5.
There is no resolution period.
Night 5 ends in at 22:00 GMT (+00:00).