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Blazinghand
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Vivax
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Chromatically
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Chromatically
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gumshoe
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On November 05 2015 07:08 Vivax wrote: Don't worry I think scum will simply not shoot. promise? | ||
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Blazinghand
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hah. yeah, it's a good point though, we're pretty much free to talk since that's the case | ||
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gumshoe
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On November 05 2015 16:19 Blazinghand wrote: hah. yeah, it's a good point though, we're pretty much free to talk since that's the case not much more to say / : Chrom is town, his actions day 2 make no sense from a scum view (why push a mislynch so hard when a townies already on the block? its a great way to get pushed, I wont buy into that, not this game. bh is town, like I said before, bh will use any excuse to justify shitty play, but his performance this game has been exemplary so that bit doesnt even apply. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- vivax has been hyping up his paranoia all game as a reason to attack anyone, in the past three cycles hes expressed suspicion twoards me, bh, chrom, ritoky, gb, hopeless, everyone really. He jumped on my yam train once it got going and he even tried to make a rayn mislynch happen until he realized a shot would be more effective considering his scum buddies were town reading rayn to the max. His stance of "I have no idea who scum is" basically translates to "I'm fine with any lynch so long as it's not me" which perfectly fits the scum agenda I would expect him to have with a team of onegu and hopeless. Speaking of which, it's not hard at all to find tons of awkward encounters between hopeless/vivax and vivax/onegu, as weve already pointed out time and time again. The final nail in the coffin is without a doubt his attempt to convince xata to switch his vote on day 3, plus his discontent post flip as point out by bh. His overall play this game, which has frequently led town in the wrong direction( going so far as to critique others for attacking onegu and hopeless on day 1) in conjunction with the above evidence leads to only one conclusion. Vivax is our final scummer, Lynch him and be merry as we savor frozen dairy! I will be pretty busy for the rest of the week, but I will pop back in to read whats left, answer any questions or accusations brought against me or mah townies and of course to restock our supply of verbal memes should we run low. glhf | ||
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gumshoe
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----------------------------------------------------- 1: Every major stance I have taken this game has been, as far as I can tell, to the benefit of town, with the exception of the yam lynch which no one can blame me for cause that dude looked legit terrible / : day I: called for onegus head, decrying the slam rayn lynch as dumb and illconcieved(basically slam dared marv and things snowballed from there) would have jumped on the onegu shenayny train but was worried that people would use the split to hammer rayn, who I assumed would be of great use to town should he live (I was wrong and I was right about that, rayn was utterly worthless, but his death all but outed the scum team) night 1: As opposed to joining the rayn hate train, I kept a level head and used my history with him basically to come the conclusion that he was being a useless little bitch, but wasn't scum. Had just a few more reacted to rayn in anger, we may very well have lost this game, as town would literally not have survived both a rayn and gb mislynch. day 2: Yamato debacle, dude had to go, just be glad there were no more yamatos this game. night 2: I immediately bounced back from the mislynch and started to consider the scum team as a whole, basically the inception of the 4 man suspect pool that would define the back half of the game. day 3: Drew alot of information from the rayn shot that many disagreed with, but gave me personally the direction I needed to put together alot of different bits that resulted in the onegu lynch. night 3: sparred with gb, once again kept a level head despite townie stupidity, resorted to desperate measures to get him to cooperate. day 4: Made my opinion on hopeless known, but didn't shove it onto a town I knew to be reasonable. night 4: popo sees all. day 5: ez ez night 5: are we there yet? =------------------------------------------- point 2: As you may have already figured, I can explain every single stance I have taken this game, every. single. one. Please try me. ------------------------------------------- point 3: I did give Yamato a chance to convince me / : I had misgivings, and asked him questions at one point on day 1. He responded with "you bore me". Not sure how I was supposed to react other than pushing for his immediate removal from a game he clearly did not want to play. ------------------------------------------------------------------ point 4: there is no record of me bieng remotely this active as scum, but there are plenty of town examples. ------------------------------------------------------------------ point 5: I am town. --------------------------------------------------------- so with all that in mind, anyone wanna fight? | ||
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Vivax
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But first I need to decide who's the remaining mafia and it's tough. I might get back to chrom again just for the belief that not ALL my reads were wrong. Past days I felt really defeated by the last mafia cause he's playing so well and after pinging at gumshoe I started doubting I would be able to ping him at all, but today I passed my assessment with 8/9 pts and I'm going to at least TRY to kick the last mafia's ass after I'm done drinking with my fellow students. See you tomorrow for a maximum difficulty lylo fellas. | ||
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gumshoe
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On November 06 2015 01:07 Vivax wrote: I will fight like a crazy mofo for my life, don't think I will go down easily. CAUSE IM NOT MAFIA. But first I need to decide who's the remaining mafia and it's tough. I might get back to chrom again just for the belief that not ALL my reads were wrong. Past days I felt really defeated by the last mafia cause he's playing so well and after pinging at gumshoe I started doubting I would be able to ping him at all, but today I passed my assessment with 8/9 pts and I'm going to at least TRY to kick the last mafia's ass after I'm done drinking with my fellow students. See you tomorrow for a maximum difficulty lylo fellas. BRING IT SCUM. YOU. ME. MOTHERFUKAN THUNDERDOME | ||
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Vivax
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gumshoe
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On November 06 2015 01:56 Vivax wrote: Why does it have to be you gumshoe? I just said I wasn't sure who's mafia anymore but you say it has to be between you and me. oh I dont care who you go after, Ima still come for you. Just for funsies, the peeps you target can talk too though : P | ||
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gumshoe
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See you tomorrow for a maximum difficulty lylo fellas. | ||
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Chromatically
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I almost forgot how seriously hard gumshoe was pushing the yamato case and hard defending GB. Like, as mafia he spent so so long hard defending a mislynch and pushing his own mislynch which really doesn't make sense. He literally posted pictures of sheep pens to try and get me and GB to follow him, and I can't see him doing that as mafia. Especially since there was no reason to push yamato over GB for mafia. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/496215-mini-mafia-the-kinda-vanilla-experience?page=94 I think a lot of important things happened in these next few pages. First, the BH-Onegu interaction at the bottom of the page did not look like mafia-mafia to me. Here's the full conversation if you're too lazy to click the link: + Show Spoiler + On October 26 2015 14:27 Onegu wrote: Ok I take back my read on Gumshoe. He looks really townie now. I think I like a hopeless lynch at this point. He is just lurking which is with the way the thread was and has been imploding I cant shake the feeling there is at least 1 scum in the lurkers if not 2 or even 3. Plus I did a test for him and he failed it hard. He said he would vote me if I did nothing and I basically told him I look forward to it and he did nothing about it. There are a few other things like his votes and reasons. I will go more into it tomorrow. Ritoky could also easily be mafia as a lurker, plus his thing following his towniest read and that read was BH. Ill get into more details tomorrow. But for now. ##Vote: Hopeless On October 26 2015 14:31 Blazinghand wrote: Well, he hasn't voted or posted in the past like 2 or 3 days, right? Although there's no hard activity requirement in this game, you are required to vote. He may jsut be modkilled. I don't even know why I'm reasoning with you Onegu but, couldn't we just shenannie onto Hopeless if he comes back? cause otherwise we should just let him get MKed if you do want to actually lynch Hopeless (and I can't tell anything from his filter other than that he seemed vaguely itnerested in the game then never tried and stopped posting) you have to commit to shennannying at the deadline if he's gonna get modkilled, Onegu The reason I bring this up is because I'm imagining the following situation: We pull together a wagon on someone and lynch him, and then you never come back all day and hopeless1 gets modkilled, and you do not particupate in the town discourse all day and we don't know anything about you, and you never had to take any stances.... So here's what Iwant from you, 1gu: a commitment to shenannie if Hopeless1 isn't going to get modkill, and you take part in the day's discussions. What do you say? On October 26 2015 14:33 Blazinghand wrote: Come on, you were here like 120 seconds ago you can't pretend to be gone now On October 26 2015 14:44 Onegu wrote: I am sleeping now. On October 26 2015 14:46 Blazinghand wrote: no wait you can't just unvote you also have to like, talk about things On October 26 2015 14:47 Onegu wrote: Dont worry BH we have plenty of time. I will be here in the morning. On October 26 2015 14:50 Blazinghand wrote: *sobs* BH then uses this interaction as another point in his scumread on Onegu, and puts a vote on Onegu. At the same time, Vivax comes in and tries to put suspicion on BH for not "contributing to finding mafia", without commenting on Onegu at all (this is top of pg 95). + Show Spoiler + On October 26 2015 17:16 Vivax wrote: The fun to play. Good to know you're around BH, why suggest shenannies on hopeless without really making a decision in the GB + yamato set of options? You know it's way easier to just join one of the camps for a successful scum lynch than suggest hopeless who is more coinflippy? On October 26 2015 17:20 Blazinghand wrote: The point is that hopeless is a bad lynch and onegu was opting out of the discourse by voting him. Onegu reacted by unvoting him and leaving. Do you not understnad what I'm saying? Can you not wrap your head around that? Let me lay it out real simple for you 1. 1gu shows up, ignores everyone, votes Hopeless1 who hasn't posted and is likely to get modkilled 2. 1gu decided to peace out 3. I am like "ok dude that is not acceptable. You want to lynch Hopeless1? fine, we'll do it by shenannies if we have to. It's a crap idea to vote him though cause he's probably getting modkilled. either be on him and be ready to shenanny off, or get off him and join the discourse" 4. 1gu is like "haha no i'm just gonna peace and not talk about anything, likely because I am scum" 5. Vivax comes in, and, unable to see due to the pantaloons firmly wrapped around his face, says that I suggested shenannies on hopeless "without really making a decision in GB + yamato" which while not literally false (since I haven't weighed in there yet) definitely misrepresents what I did 6. BH points out that Vivax is really bad 7. Vivax apologises profusely On October 26 2015 17:21 Blazinghand wrote: like ylou do understand what 1gu just did right let me make it one hundo percent clear for you then: 1gu just fuckin bailed after being aclled out on opting out of the discourse no thoughts on this vivax? On October 26 2015 17:22 Vivax wrote: BH where is your contribution in finding out who is mafia in all that? I do admit that I was hasty in reading it as you suggesting a hopeless lynch. But that means you didn't suggest anything, you told Onegu how to play the game. On October 26 2015 17:23 Vivax wrote: I don't like the tone of this conversation, there's a dick virus going around in this thread and I already have to fight with a mundane one. On October 26 2015 17:24 Blazinghand wrote: let me show you what's what boyo ##vote Onegu plus I think we both know that I dont' need to do anything to prove myself innocent since I'm getting shot tonight regardless. I am free of the feelings of "pressure" that others may feel since the only guy who might get shot ahead of me normally, rayn, has given up on playing the game. and yes I think rayn is town Vivax votes Onegu early in the day, but moves to GB and then to yamato without really pushing any of them. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/496215-mini-mafia-the-kinda-vanilla-experience?page=102 Later in the day, Vivax does have this interaction with Onegu (spread over several pages): + Show Spoiler + On October 26 2015 23:58 Vivax wrote: Wait Onegu you just said you can't do activity reads on yammo but knowing he has free time you say he's null??? Why not mafia? On October 27 2015 00:21 Vivax wrote: Onegu what the flying frisbee did yamato do that was so townie on D1??? This is from your list post. On October 27 2015 00:25 Onegu wrote: Because he had reads and put effort into the game. He can make posts as scum but he doesnt put effort into his posts. I felt he put actuall thought into his reads. Looked townie to me. On October 27 2015 00:28 Vivax wrote: I'm gonna compare his reads to yours from the time in question and tell you if you're mafia in a bit. I already noticed you had opposite reads on GB so you're one step closer to a bad road. On October 27 2015 00:36 Vivax wrote: So this and the GB scumread is the best effort we see from yamato during D1. I bolded everything they should disagree on (and the GB part isn't even included) and I can say with a certain confidence that there's no reason for a town Onegu to blindly trust yamato here, or even give him a town pass for effort when his rayn and marv reads are similarly wishywashy to Onegus. On October 27 2015 00:56 Vivax wrote: What made you feel like he was town? Are you ONegu the second? Everyone's just calling him town on D1 when I see ZERO reasons besides the activity. Like the only reason I ever saw to not lynch yamato was the fact he posted a bit, but there's nothing particularly townie in there. This one is just here to show that Vivax was pressuring Onegu pretty hard here about his yamato read, enough that he brought it up when talking to me. Vivax pressures Onegu a good amount, particularly about his yamato read. Vivax ends up saying that he "can say with a certain confidence that there's no reason for a town Onegu to blindly trust yamato here," which sounds like a pretty strong scumread to me. On October 27 2015 01:20 Vivax wrote: I might not be around at deadline since I'm ill and being ill isn't allowed tomorrow. I would really like to set everything straight with those I think are town long before any shenannies can cause a ruckus way too early before deadline. In the last couple of hours my read on rayn has worsened and the read on GB has improved somewhat. I typed up a question asking him if he still thinks I'm mafia but I figure he still does for some reason. What's good for him is that he's on a good wagon with two who I think are very likely town and myself. Rayn is being a complete dick and I know he likes to do that as mafia. Chrom freaks me out with his persistence on GB over yamato. That said, I wouldn't mind lynching rayn any more, I would even lynch him before GB to make the thread more enjoyable, and cause he doesn't shine town to me as he does to Chrom for some reason. So I'm calling early shenannies on rayn: ##Unvote ##Vote raynpelikoneet However, in his next post, he mentions GB, rayn, and me, and puts a vote on rayn. There isn't even a mention of Onegu. Where did his read go? Then, there are the EoD shenannies planned. Honestly, these Hopeless shenannies look extremely good for BH, way better than the Onegu D1 one. It's not just that BH was idly proposing shenannies onto Hopeless without actually hoping they would happen. On October 27 2015 06:10 Blazinghand wrote: OK, this brings us up to 3-- ritoky, vivax, and myself. The main wagon, the one on Yamato, has 5 votes. If I unvote, it will have 4. So, we need two more commitments, or one commitment from someone on the yam wagon (gum, xat, vivax) This is BH actually counting votes needed for shenannies onto Hopeless. If ANY ONE of gumshoe/Xatalos/Vivax says okay (and it was not at all clear that they wouldn't), BH basically has no choice but to shenannie onto Hopeless. I don't see any way mafia BH would take this huge risk. On October 27 2015 06:37 Blazinghand wrote: If yamato does not come back, and ALSO people are not willing to shennie onto Hope1 or 1gu, I vow on my honor as the shenannigan king that I will shenny onto GlowingBear He also pushes Hopeless and Onegu as the top two shenannies, and GB as the third. BH would have had to be continually trying to push shenannies onto no one but his teammates, as mafia, when I think it was extremely possible that one more person went onto Hopeless and he got lynched, or that a bunch of people wanted to lynch Onegu (which they did) and stated their support for a switch. On October 27 2015 06:51 gumshoe wrote: I think Xatalos has it right, everyone should get off Gb right now, because if yam flips scum off mod kill, we do not to ever lynch gb The choice now should be the following- Do we go for the double kill and lynch hopeless or Onegu? 2 players we all agree are fairly sketch. Or do we play it safe and just lynch Yam in case he comes back, taking into consideration that Rayn is awful and our town tomorrow could be to shitty to lead another lynch. These are the two best options, nothing else should be considered atm. gumshoe, likewise, is okay with shenannies onto Onegu and Hopeless, but against shenannies onto anyone else. He would have to be supporting literally only bussing his partners, rather than using his really strong push against yamato as a reason to be very anti-shenannies (which he could have done). Vivax's reaction, as people are discussing where to shennanie: On October 27 2015 06:53 Vivax wrote: Keep your votes on yam and don't be stupid please. This has been scum shenanny for a few times lately to pretend you're gonna get modkilled and then ninjavote. Vivax is very against it, which could make sense from a town perspective (I was against it as well, and I still maintain that a voteswitch in that position would have been objectively suboptimal). However, Vivax's complete unwillingness to consider any kind of shenannies fits much more with a potential-shenannied Onegu-Hopeless team than BH's push for the shenannies and gumshoe's willingness to consider it. Overall, no radical new conclusions from D2, but some additional evidence for BH and gumshoe being town and a bit more for Vivax being mafia. | ||
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Blazinghand
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On November 06 2015 01:56 Vivax wrote: Why does it have to be you gumshoe? I just said I wasn't sure who's mafia anymore but you say it has to be between you and me. Well, you have been kinda pushing the guy for a day or two. Like, assuming you're legitimately hunting scum and not just prodding desperately looking for anyone lynchable, one might assume your scumread of Gumshoe wouldn't have changed after this really low key H1 lynch. What's actually going on here, I suspect, is that you're scum that was hoping Gummy would be lynchable and now, finding that he's putting up a strong defense, is scrambling for any way to survive the next day. The fact that you responded to this with a question like that and not like a "ah, my scumread is actually on X for reason Y" does little for you in my eyes. That said, I do respect your asserted drive and motivation. I will listen to what you have to say. | ||
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Chromatically
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I think rereading the game is really good for getting a new perspective on things, now that we know almost all of the alignments, so that's why I've been doing that. #maximumdifficultylylo | ||
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Rels
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Day 6 Rels hustled through the factory doing his last wave of lockdown checks. Given the recent deaths of several of his workers and the ongoing investigations, his auditor was also staying on hand for routine inventory and property counts. "Well, strangely enough," started the auditor, "nothing's missing. At least in terms of inventory and property. I had my assistant count through a few times and we're all getting the same numbers." Rels nodded and headed to the command centre to check the electronic timesheets. All employees had clocked in and out last night and any employees currently on shift were assembled in the lounge. Then Rels took another look at the manual scans. With the recent incidents, employees now had to physically sign in and out. And each of their signatures was all accounted for. "Well," said Rels. "I don't know what the deal is, but this factory was clean last night. Or if not, the saboteurs simply chose not to strike." "Probably the latter," replied the auditor. "Surveillance is coming up completely clean. Not sure why but I wonder if they are hoping that we'll drop our guard." All factory workers have been accounted for. The final day has begun and in 48h you will hand out the final pink slip! Will you nail down the last of the choco-devils or will they take over your factory? Please remember to vote in the correct format so that we will not miss votes! Day 6 ends in at 22:00 GMT (+00:00). At that time, the final lynch will occur and we will proceed to endgame. | ||
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Blazinghand
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Blazinghand
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Look, when it comes down to it it's pretty clear what's going on here, and what has been going on. The H1/1G/Vivax scumteam makes sense, from Vivax's strange pushes on people, to the fact that he's happy with anyone getting lynched as long as it's not him, to the way he handled D2 and his attitude towards his teammates. GB had it right. Chromatically and Gumshoe have both put forth massive amounts of effort, not just to clear their names or push their scumreads, but actually puzzle out what's going on in this game. Analyzing motives, talking to their targets and people who have reads on their targets, and so on. There's basicailly nothing that will convince me to vote either of them. My tonereads on Vivax, as well as the general way he's played, has made me pretty sure he's scum. There's something else, too, niggling at the back of my mind, and I have to do some research-- I think he usually picks strange NKs as mafia. I'll have to take a look and make sure this is true, and it's really a minor detail. It all makes sense, really. ##vote vivax I'm on hand for discussion, as always. | ||
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gumshoe
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Our racks are spent, but our hats have reached their final forms (I shall not post pictures this time, for each persons perfect hat is quite unique, and base images would not do such divine headware justice) Time to end this choco tyranny. | ||
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