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Chromatically
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+ Show Spoiler + On October 25 2015 09:08 Chromatically wrote: GlowingBear That's right ladies and gentlemen, this is a legit case so strap yourselves in. This game's filter --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- GB has not been pushing his scumreads like he does as town GB has three different lynch targets throughout the day (although he spends most of the time on Vivax). GB does not even make an attempt to get people to vote on BH or rayn other than the posts quoted here. Vivax he "pushes" on for a little bit earlier in the day, but it basically consisted of talking to marv a little bit about it and then discussing it with Vivax himself. He never really pushes it very hard. Compare this to his other games (quotes all taken from D1): As Town + Show Spoiler + Mini Mafia Down Under On July 27 2015 03:46 GlowingBear wrote: .:Case on KelsierSC:. 1) Constantly whining about having to waste posts with bad things without actually using his remaining 50+ posts for anything else + Show Spoiler + /*really long nested quote omitted*/ If he is so worried about wasting posts with useless stuff, WHY DOES HE WASTE POSTS TO KEEP SAYING HE IS ANNOYED? "Yes, one person is enough to annoy me", really? Why is he so annoyed, man? "Everybody is playing like shit". No, nobody is playing like shit in this game. This game is pretty concise and to the point. His annoyance is unjustified, it's ridiculous. Looks like mafia trying to fake being emotional. 2) Deflecting any early suspicions brought on him + guilty conscience THIS IS HIS SECOND POST IN THE GAME! This is an unnatural reaction to what scott posted. In town mindset, the reaction I would expect would be "then you're stupid because I'm town" and not "ok, you think I'm scum, am I the only one lol". It reveals mafia's guilty conscience. More than that, and more important, it is a deflection of early pressure. He sees someone calling him scum and softly tries to shift pressure to someone else. If you ask "am I the only one?" a common response would be "no, I didn't like X as well" and if they keep talking about X, the pressure is shifted. The same reaction can be seen here: + Show Spoiler + On July 25 2015 19:54 KelsierSC wrote: This isn't going to lead to anything productive so I think it's best to just end it here. It can be interpreted in both ways: town not wanting to shit the thread, or scum deflecting pressure. Since Kelsier already displayed the deflection behaviour, the second option is more likely. 3) Wanting to lynch me then backtracking when having no reasons to + Show Spoiler + */ even longer nested quote */ The progression is this, for people that doesn't want to read the posts: Kelsier says he doesn't like me and he would lynch me happily. I ask him why he doesn't like me. He says everything I post looks stupid. I asked him what is stupid in them and why does that makes me mafia. He said it doesn't make me mafia but he would lynch me anyway, and that he is annoyed because idiots (like me) are annoying him, but never says what are the problems with my posts. He then comes to the thread and says he wants to lynch "hopeless, clarity, obi and bf", not wanting to lynch me. It's simple: he said he didn't like me hoping to have me as an option for mislynch. When I confront it, he says I look stupid but he forgets it's something he doesn't believe is alignment indicative for me. Then he says he would lynch me anyway implying that I annoy him. Well, I wasn't raising suspicions on him since that time. Now I've being pressuring him for the rest of day1 and he doesn't want to lynch me anymore LOL. He is not annoyed with it. What I mean with this is: his actions does not follows his discourse, which is mostly a scum trait. Add to this the fact that he answers almost NOTHING of my posts directed to him. He just deflects them, adding to point (2) of this case. 4) HE IS VOTING TOFU INSTEAD OF SCOTT HE IS FUCKING VOTING TOFU INSTEAD OF SCOTT. SCOTT WAS THE FIRST GUY TO ANNOY HIM (AND KELSIER WOULD LYNCH PEOPLE DOING THAT)! Why he doesn't prefer a scott lynch? Hell, a lot of people thinks he is mafia! Instead of going against the guy that certainly looked as mafia for him, he is going against questionmark!Tofu. More than that, he wasn't advocating for a lynch on Scott, but opened a range of possible lynches he would go against (tofu, scott, obi, clarity). IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE, PEOPLE! COME ON!!! + Show Spoiler [WIFOM] + Points on Kelsier were brought many times and no one quickly jumped on it, not even Scott, who was suspicions on Kelsier in the first place. The quick and unreasonable town reads Kelsier got points out that scum didn't want him as a possible mislynch. I am POSITIVE Kelsier is mafia. Vote him with me. ##Vote: KelsierSC On July 27 2015 06:28 GlowingBear wrote: Thought process does not compute. You think Tofu is Mafia Then you say Mafia is trying to take people out of the tofu wagon. The alternate wagon is clarity. I suppose you may think Mafia could be there. But you call Mafia people that were in other wagons and does not consider people that moved to the clarity wagon. You even raise suspicions on me but you don't call me Mafia (?), what's the point then? Then you dive clarity and suddenly he is bad? What about Mafia protecting tofu by forming another wagon????? Your thought process makes no sense and it completely fits Mafia perspective GUYS VOTE SCOTT PLEASE On July 27 2015 06:35 GlowingBear wrote: I mean, if you THINK Mafia is trying to take votes off of Mafia!Tofu you MUST consider they are forming the alternate wagon INSTEAD of ignoring people forming the alternate wagon and placing votes somewhere else. There is no other option EVEN if you believed in what you just said, it would make me completely Mafia, and not just something you would say "I don't know you're Mafia". Then other Mafia are boxerfred (?) and PROBABLY A VET? Why a vet, which vet, why not me. Then you simply say you could lynch clarity, man. You just said Mafia was taking votes off of tofu. You can't me town. PEOPLE PLEASE, SCOTT CAN'T BE TOWN Battle of the Drams Mafia: On October 01 2015 04:18 GlowingBear wrote: And truffle's recent posts are looking townie which is making me doubt my scum read on him. So there is that. LYNCH COOL TL NAME. Brb later On October 01 2015 06:54 GlowingBear wrote: STOP Keep your votes on COOL TL he is Mafia On October 01 2015 06:57 GlowingBear wrote: DO NOT VOTE SCOTT FUCKING KILL COOL TL ARGH DAMDRED ISN'T EVEN CLAIMING TRACKER, HE IS CLAIMING HE WILL HE DEAD As Mafia + Show Spoiler + Newbie Student XIV: On September 07 2015 02:26 GlowingBear wrote: I'm voting scott. I don't see a better lynch than him. On September 07 2015 03:55 GlowingBear wrote: I really think noobking shouldn't be the lynch today. Vote scott. On September 07 2015 05:36 GlowingBear wrote: Superbia, I'm home but I'm not feeling well, so I'm not going to format it well so I can take a quick nap quicker: This post may appear contributive at first glance but it's basically a summary of the thread at that point and reads accordingly to thread sentiment, bringing nothing new to the table. Why is Rayn town, why he is so quick to give yamato a townread like that? Why just saying I'm "drinking" again, discrediting me? It's a bunch of rehash with an attempt of looking contributive without actually contributing. He then starts to post reads accordingly to his progression on the pages of thread, cluttering the thread with partial and outdated information he keeps further reevaluating instead of just giving his opinion on one big post. My problem with this is that he is again trying to look contributive while not actually being contributive. Worse. He is cluttering the thread just to show "look, I'm doing stuff!" instead of interacting and actually search for Mafia. He is very bold when he gives reads. Calls Nocturne "town" with no back reqsoning when he was suspicious of mage's slot. He gives 3 names of people he thinks are Mafia and he could lynch (sayinf maybe I'm not Mafia an cake is) but posts this: For someone who has 3-4 scumreads, this is extremely scummy. Why is he okay with boxer's lynch if he has THREE better targets and he even ADMITS boxer is only a policy? I see no better lynch. Game of Thrones Mini Mafia: On April 18 2015 05:15 GlowingBear wrote: ... I've already said I'd prefer to lynch a scummy lurker at this point. It's not that I can't lynch SL, it's that I can deal with him later since I have information on him On April 18 2015 06:36 GlowingBear wrote: I'm voting loafery thrn art Vote with me Mafia Mini Mafia 2: On April 08 2015 03:48 GlowingBear wrote: Lol Damdy. Last time you said this you were Mafia. I also don't have to rely on meta this early. Again, I also know well your gameplay so I can figure you out later better. I need more information on you so I can draft a meta argument. That is why I think you should be Mafia, though: jumping too fast on the conclusion that I am Mafia. As town, GB not only pushes his target a lot, but is very passionate about doing so (doing capslock or spamming the thread to vote for his target). As mafia, he may have a target but he is much calmer about it and doesn't seem to be very invested in the lynch. GB's pushes this game have resembled his mafia pushes much much more than they resemble his town pushes by not having any passion for pushing his targets and not being invested in the lynch at all. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Total activity Here's just some numbers on activity for the games I looked at. Each number represents the page of filter GB was on after D1 finishes. Town games: Mini Mafia Down Under (this was a post restricted game): 5 pages Battle of the Drams: 9 pages Mafia in the Himalayas: 13 pages Mafia games: Newbie Student XIV: 7 pages Game of Thrones Mini: 3 pages Mafia Mini Mafia 2: 5 pages Average town: 9 pages Average mafia: 5 pages This game: 4 pages Of course, this isn't conclusive: activity is not entirely indicative of alignment, and the sample size of only 3 games per side means that this could be misrepresentative. However, I think the difference between town and mafia activity on D1 (even including a post restricted game!) is large enough to make it a point worth considering in conjunction with the other points. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other non-meta stuff One thing I thought was really weird from GB this game are the posts he pinged out when rereading the thread. I thought these were very strange posts to get reads from. Why does my post in there give him such a strong townread on me? I LITERALLY said that BH hasn't done anything alignment indicative and I get a day pass for it??? What? The posts from ritoky and Xatalos he quoted also seemed very strange, since I do not consider those posts particularly town at all. This doesn't make sense from town, but it makes sense from a mafia trying to manufacture their town reads on players they already know are town. In addition, I found this interaction with Vivax strange: Theoretically, GB has a scumread on Vivax at this point. So why is he basically giving tips to Vivax about how to read yamato? It makes more sense if he's unsure about his read and is starting to think Vivax is town, but his next list post just reaffirms that Vivax is his top scumread. I think this post is more likely to come from mafia, who already know that Vivax is town, than it is to come from a townie talking to someone they think is mafia. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is all in addition to the stuff that other people have said already about GB this game (usually related to his read on Vivax), which I won't repeat again here, and the general idea that GB really hasn't done much this game other than kind of just being around. ##Vote: GlowingBear Sources: Mini Mafia Down Under (town) Battle of the Drams Mafia (town) Mafia in the Himalayas (town) Newbie Student Mafia XIV (mafia) Game of Thrones Mini Mafia (mafia) Mafia Mini Mafia 2 (mafia) On October 27 2015 23:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: GlowingBear is definitely mafia. Just read this and the post i made about this earlier, here: and here... The fact is this has nothing to do with either: 1) re-evaluating a read, or 2) not having read the thread GlowingBear calls me town, then calls me mafia 20 hours later while calling me town there all the time between. Nowhere there does he make any attempt to re-evaluate anything, also i asked him multiple times if he has read the thread properly. He says "yes i have". This is not re-evaluating something (in contrary to for what example i did regarding my reads on ritoky / GB on D1), because he never shows any process of re-evaluation. Then, he just ends up saying the same bullshit Xatalos is pushing. Now idk, maybe he expected Slam to get lynched and didn't want to be on a mislynch wagon, or maybe he expected Xatalos to be able to lynch me which would be a much better for mafia than Slam lynched. idk. But still, the fact is he ended up voting for his townread over someone who he "can't get a read on" (=null). That, is a fact, and he just made up reasons for the read, as shown above. Hopeless is another scum since he just doesn't play anymore. He can also get lynched. Next thing is to read Onegu, and unless i come to the conclusion he is scum then the next thing is to read BH. Just because BH does not really take any stance on any lynch. He really does not, he goes onto his shennies which gives him outs left and right saying either "i was right", "i tried to lynch mafia", "i didn't want to lynch town", or if he hit mafia "i actually wanted to lynch that mafia". Shennies are bullshit and they don't even happen. Period. He is not trying to lynch anyone for reals. On October 27 2015 07:17 ritoky wrote: to summarize it quickly before i go: - no read on me even though he has played with me a bunch and can read me (claims can't){for ex. he has been mafia with me before and he knows how much i like the bus, i was expecting a no bus d1 = no mafia read out of him and i didn't get it} - self centric defensive play d1 - lots of talking about self and no real pro-active scum hunting - not GB town - isn't astounded he isn't being read town, hasn't freaked out, lacking charisma, low effort/caring level, and not plays attempted. - terrible defense - "i am town, push to vote" - 0 attempt to push his targets with any form of conviction. lots of caveats in the few reads given. if you find that town gb indicative then thumbs up to you, i don't. On October 29 2015 06:43 Chromatically wrote: Most of GB's posts on Vivax - "I'm used to see Vivax being paranoid town and him giving a bunch of town reads right out of the blue does not looks like his standard gameplay." #491 (first posts) - "I disagree with everyone, being confident =/= being straight forward and giving unexplained town passes, especially from a guy that I remember seeing flipping his reads constantly based on tinfoil theories. Here I see a guy with static reads that are never updated" #737 (list post) - "He has yet to explain the townreads, his activity dropped, his reads are static." #774 (post to rayn D1) - "He comes back, jokes about stuff, says some random stuff about killing me, but actually talks about nothing else in the game. His read on yamato has vanished, too." #1114 (end of D1) - "Vivax called Yamato scum for being inactive (in less than 24 hours in the game). When yamato turned against me, Vivax gave him a very weird townread (it felt like a joke, Vivax said it was an actual townread). Yamato is inactive now. Vivax never talks about him anymore. He only supports my lynch when people talk about it." #1808 (D2) - "Vivax has displayed some townie posts, I must agree, but his overall gameplay seems scummy to me. He doesn't feel engaged to win. He hasn't done anything memorable." #2818 (D3) I was looking through GB's filter again, and I noticed how his reasons for his read on Vivax really change a lot throughout the game. His actual read is completely static, but the reasons completely change and GB gives no sign of how his read is evolving. For example, he starts by saying that Vivax isn't paranoid enough, but hasn't mentioned that in a long time. Instead he talks about yamato and how Vivax forgot about his read on him, but then he also didn't mention that again today? The only reasons he's given today are the ones in the last bullet point, which are basically completely unrelated to the ones he's given before. Basically, if the other reasons from earlier still apply, then why hasn't GB mentioned them at all? And if they don't apply anymore, then why has his read not shown any signs of reevaluation? On October 30 2015 11:09 Chromatically wrote: Here's every read Onegu gave on GB: + Show Spoiler + On October 25 2015 09:42 Onegu wrote: Ill read the GB case in a bit. He has been really null for me. On October 26 2015 23:44 Onegu wrote: No I never said he was lying. He never said he was working. I point it out because sometimes I dont know if he is working or not. I do not know his work schedule. My point was out of the 2 wagons I would lynch yamato over GB because of activity. And normally that doesnt work for yamato you cannot make a read off of him because of activity because he is working. But this game I know he wasnt working. This doesnt mean yamato is my preferred lynch, he looked really townie day 1. On October 26 2015 23:57 Onegu wrote: No I am not calling him mafia rayn. I am null on him. I am null on GB. They are the 2 current wagons. I gave my thoughts on the wagons. I said if I had to choose from the wagons I would vote Yamato. On October 27 2015 00:21 Onegu wrote: Becuase it effects my read on him. That is why I would lynch him over GB. But I am waiting for you to tell me why GB is scum. On October 30 2015 01:32 Onegu wrote: The main reason is because I am scum reading you two more. GB needs looked at also, but I feel multiple people scum read GB maybe he shoots rayn, but only rayn and myself were scum reading you. Rayn had the clout that I dont to actually lynch you. And here's most of what he says about Hopeless (I omitted a bunch of "lynch hopeless" posts): + Show Spoiler + On October 24 2015 02:55 Onegu wrote: ... Hopeless said he was going to lynch me for being useless I told him good luck, he didnt bite at the bait. Not looking good. IE rels in rayns game. ... On October 25 2015 05:48 Onegu wrote: ... Could also lynch hopeless here. Like I baited him and he did nothing about it and just went after easy lynches even after threatening me. His reads seem to just go along with thread sentiment. ... On October 26 2015 14:27 Onegu wrote: Ok I take back my read on Gumshoe. He looks really townie now. I think I like a hopeless lynch at this point. He is just lurking which is with the way the thread was and has been imploding I cant shake the feeling there is at least 1 scum in the lurkers if not 2 or even 3. Plus I did a test for him and he failed it hard. He said he would vote me if I did nothing and I basically told him I look forward to it and he did nothing about it. There are a few other things like his votes and reasons. I will go more into it tomorrow. Ritoky could also easily be mafia as a lurker, plus his thing following his towniest read and that read was BH. Ill get into more details tomorrow. But for now. ##Vote: Hopeless On October 30 2015 01:48 Onegu wrote: That vote from hopeless on Xata is so fucking random, If he is going to be around why use a placeholder and why Xata. Then he drops a vote on GB... Why does this give me the heebie jeebies that this is two town wagons... Can we please vote hopeless? ##Vote: Hopeless So my initial reaction to this is that Onegu never giving a read at all on GB looks really really bad. I don't think this says much about Hopeless at all, it could be Onegu pushing an easy target or it could be him putting pressure on his scumbuddy that's not playing (and wasn't really up for lynch any of those days). On October 30 2015 22:11 Chromatically wrote: Here's something I just thought of: You're GB and you're town. You KNOW 100% that the wagons were mafia-town, and the vote went through 5-4. Here are the votes against you: Onegu (confirmed mafia) Chromatically (your townread who's been pushing you) Vivax (your #1 scumread all game) Hopeless (complete lurker you've been calling scum all game) So... a Vivax-Hopeless team should be pretty obvious from a town GB perspective, right? Instead, GB is assuming that Onegu was a complete bus from both mafia (who didn't hammer GB for some reason?), when he logically should see that all the scummiest people in the game (from his perspective) were piled on his wagon (who he should know is town). | ||
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Vivax
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On October 30 2015 22:24 Xatalos wrote: Tbh it's a bit hard to see Vivax playing so actively as scum, but it would explain well all the scumsiding (especially the recent Onegu saving attempt and now pushing gumshoe...). What scumsidimg exactly? I was at best scumsiding if gb is town and even then im not the only dude who was votinng gb. im on phone so ill be more extensive later. i think that if im right on gumshoe ill find more exples of tmi. | ||
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Vivax
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given how accurate onegu was with his trs on d1 he was probably scumreading 1-2 buds. | ||
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Xatalos
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 Onegu Profile Blog PM Joined May 2010 United States6753 Posts October 23 2015 19:40 EET #1092 On October 24 2015 01:55 gumshoe wrote: Can we just collectively agree to pussy out as town and vote for the most objectively useless player? Onegu, 2015 Nope sorry my friend better luck next time!!!! | ||
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Vivax
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You will have to agree with me that pushing a guy I wanted lynch on D1 already doesn't exactly fit the mafia profile. It can but it doesn't have to. So it's no argument. | ||
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gumshoe
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On October 30 2015 18:29 Vivax wrote: I've started to doubt gumshoe since he started planting the idea that I'm mafia as opposed to people who are competent at reading me. I was assuming his posting style made him town all game long but given that 2 mafia are planning the endgame now and he has started to doing all sorts of shady shit, I'm reevaluating. Take a look at this post, it's from D1. When you look at the votecounts in question you will notice that nobody ever had a chance to kill Onegu cause marv and rayn were both on the slam wagon with huge support from others. Point I'm making is that this read is weird given the information we have now, and suggests gumshoe had knowledge of how to read people around Onegu's alignment. Another example: When he went all nuts and Chrom-defender after I told Chrom that if he wanted Onegu's reads he could simply look them up. As you will soon see, neither was ritoky's switch "last second" (it happened 12 min prior lynch), nor does it make sense for gumshoe to make the assumption that ritoky is town cause if Onegu was town ritoky would look terrible. And I think this is a nail in the coffin type of argument already, cause now I'm explaining it like you're 12. First of all, he's exaggerating the weight of what ritoky really did: Last second switch, killig Onegu when the majority was on Slam all the time and didn't have any intention to switch. Second, he's making this argument in which he spews Onegu's alignment (and ritoky's with the entire post). Second, he's using this logic: "Since ritoky would look terrible if Onegu flipped town, he is town". at a time where he couldn't possibly be certain on Onegu's alignment, and also wasn't in his scumreads posts. He literally assumed 100 % that Onegu was mafia when making this post. Here the relevant votes, for display: + Show Spoiler + On October 24 2015 05:30 Rels wrote: Day 1 Vote Count Alakaslam (9): raynpelikoneet (4): Vivax (0): ritoky (0): GlowingBear (0): Chromatically (0): Onegu (0): Hopeless1der (0): marvellosity (0): Xatalos (0): Looks like it's time to sack Alakaslam for being a traitor! Day 1 ends in at 21:00 GMT (+00:00). The quality control list is here. The automated list counter is here. Only votes on this list will be counted. Please mind the deadline as failure to vote will result in a modkill. On October 24 2015 05:45 Blazinghand wrote: ##unvote ##vote Onegu On October 24 2015 05:47 Xatalos wrote: ##Vote Onegu On October 24 2015 05:48 ritoky wrote: ##unvote ##vote Onegu On October 24 2015 06:03 Rels wrote: Final Day 1 Vote Count Alakaslam (8): raynpelikoneet (3): Onegu (2): ritoky (0): GlowingBear (0): Chromatically (0): Vivax (0): Hopeless1der (0): marvellosity (0): Xatalos (0): We have discovered Alakaslam to be a chocolate saboteur! [/QUOTE] I have considered onegu scummy all game based off his lacklustre play. Never once have I town read him, was I bussing my teammate to max? Maybe? Purposeless bussing is dumb to me. As for the accuracy of the read, remember, everyone who town read onegu did so for meta reasons, but I cannot recall a game where we were both active together. Basically I was immunized to the whole onegu is always bad therefore he's town bug. So I wasn't calling him scum because I knew his alignment, I was calling him scum cause he looked scummier than everyone else there. As for my ritoky argument, your counter point makes sense only if I was certain that ritoky was certain the slam lynch would never happen (which how the fuck could I be?)but by the end there were as many votes on onegu as there were on rayn, I woulda switched myself but I was scared of scum hammering rayn instead of onegu or slam. But yeah I stand by it even now, if you last second sheep a guy who leads a shenayne onto a townie off a guy everyone wanted dead, your gonna have a bad time, and if you did it onto your scum buddy, why? All that plus ritoky a actions yesterday means ritoky is town. Also chrom is town too, leave him alone. | ||
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Or we'd be stupid for not both being on the bus Don't get me even started on the GB and me scenario cause that's just super idiotic. On October 30 2015 22:21 Chromatically wrote: I don't see what's wrong with his logic? I don't see how he assumed that Onegu was mafia during his post. He says if Onegu is mafia, then ritoky can't be mafia, and if Onegu is town, then ritoky can't be mafia either, therefore ritoky is town. Maybe he's exaggerating/giving too much weight to the argument, but I don't see how it's scummy. He's reading way too much into that to be townie. And the focus on Onegu. If he was stuck on voting Slam like he was without partaking in shenannies like ritoky, then why is it one of his first thoughts to analyse ritoky's alignment BASED on Onegu's alignment? The point is that as mafia you have a different type of attention to things. Like Onegu slipping that Slam was town when he said "the best marv has is a lynch on Slam" and then ends up TRing marv. Both flipped townies (you gotta work with that not with the conspiracies around my alignment depending on GB's). I think that in that post gumshoe said something mafia would say, since he resorted to analysing the action of a guy I'm assuming to be town (ritoky) using a now flipped mafia as the person that made a difference in reading ritoky. And that happened when in the posts previous to those posts, he wasn't pushing for an Onegu lynch, he was pushing for hopeless and yamato. If you go back a little more you find what he was actually saying about 1gu: + Show Spoiler + id get behind an onegu lynch to spare slam and rayn, also in these posts he calls hopeless and ritoky scum for super vauge reasons. Found this kinda townie when I saw it? more to do with my fantasy mafia team than anything else but the reads were so weak they might not actually count against it. Oh and the nice post above says this: + Show Spoiler + I have considered onegu scummy all game based off his lacklustre play. Never once have I town read him | ||
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GlowingBear
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On October 30 2015 22:11 Chromatically wrote: Here's something I just thought of: You're GB and you're town. You KNOW 100% that the wagons were mafia-town, and the vote went through 5-4. Here are the votes against you: Onegu (confirmed mafia) Chromatically (your townread who's been pushing you) Vivax (your #1 scumread all game) Hopeless (complete lurker you've been calling scum all game) So... a Vivax-Hopeless team should be pretty obvious from a town GB perspective, right? Instead, GB is assuming that Onegu was a complete bus from both mafia (who didn't hammer GB for some reason?), when he logically should see that all the scummiest people in the game (from his perspective) were piled on his wagon (who he should know is town). Yeah. And me bussing Onegu since day1, however, is completely okay. | ||
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On October 30 2015 23:57 Vivax wrote: Xata what about scumsiding exactly? You will have to agree with me that pushing a guy I wanted lynch on D1 already doesn't exactly fit the mafia profile. It can but it doesn't have to. So it's no argument. Btw, your never answered me, is chrom still scum? also the ritoky thing was there since literally n1, little convenient your only picking up on it now that I am pushing you isn't it? Or was I just so townie this game that you never bothered looking through my filter? | ||
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GlowingBear
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On October 30 2015 23:34 Xatalos wrote: Tbh this is a pretty good point for gumshoe being town Onegu Profile Blog PM Joined May 2010 United States6753 Posts October 23 2015 19:40 EET #1092 On October 24 2015 01:55 gumshoe wrote: Can we just collectively agree to pussy out as town and vote for the most objectively useless player? Onegu, 2015 Nope sorry my friend better luck next time!!!! This actually reinforces what I've brought. | ||
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GlowingBear
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On October 31 2015 00:33 GlowingBear wrote: This actually reinforces what I've brought. If you're town, have this exact post in mind than go reading my "please read" post. And now I'm gonna peace out before I start offending people. | ||
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gumshoe
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On October 31 2015 00:25 Vivax wrote: Literally the only scenario where "mafia tries to save GB" is valid is if I'm scum with Chrom or hopeless. Or we'd be stupid for not both being on the bus Don't get me even started on the GB and me scenario cause that's just super idiotic. He's reading way too much into that to be townie. And the focus on Onegu. If he was stuck on voting Slam like he was without partaking in shenannies like ritoky, then why is it one of his first thoughts to analyse ritoky's alignment BASED on Onegu's alignment? The point is that as mafia you have a different type of attention to things. Like Onegu slipping that Slam was town when he said "the best marv has is a lynch on Slam" and then ends up TRing marv. Both flipped townies (you gotta work with that not with the conspiracies around my alignment depending on GB's). I think that in that post gumshoe said something mafia would say, since he resorted to analysing the action of a guy I'm assuming to be town (ritoky) using a now flipped mafia as the person that made a difference in reading ritoky. And that happened when in the posts previous to those posts, he wasn't pushing for an Onegu lynch, he was pushing for hopeless and yamato. If you go back a little more you find what he was actually saying about 1gu: + Show Spoiler + id get behind an onegu lynch to spare slam and rayn, also in these posts he calls hopeless and ritoky scum for super vauge reasons. Found this kinda townie when I saw it? more to do with my fantasy mafia team than anything else but the reads were so weak they might not actually count against it. Oh and the nice post above says this: + Show Spoiler + I have considered onegu scummy all game based off his lacklustre play. Never once have I town read him grats, your cherry picked the one super fucking flip floppy qoute out of a dozen onegu- "So I am debating on if I want to try this game or just troll..." as a player who has been absolutely shit and lazy as both mafia and town I'm well aware of the terrible impact such a player can have on a game. If they are not lynched quickly they become a huge distraction that cant particularly be read into cause they're shit and lazy. Mafia players can and have used the whole "hes so bad, there's no way hes mafia" meta plenty so if Onegu insists on being scummy then we should oblige him provided there isn't a better alternative. Onegu: Kill with acidic detergent Until someone can magically explain why Onegu and Hopeless deserve the benefit of the doubt, my vote will probally fall on them. Basically the people I would want to see lynched Onegu-hopeless (both are interchangeably useless to me) but yeah I think your just butthurt town, which is why I am voting for Onegu : P Can we just collectively agree to pussy out as town and vote for the most objectively useless player? Onegu, 2015 I think Yamato Ritoky plus maybe onegu/hopeless are scum. and I think the lynch onto you and slam is retarded and it seems like a super dumb lynch ethier way. at least we now know you have the ability to hit control f, wonder where that was all game when we were trying to find actual scum -_- Also the one qoute you did show STILL HAS ME WANTING TO LYNCH ONEGU If I am intending to lynch my buddy anyways, why I am I flip flopping instead of milking him for absolute godamm cred? Maybe its because I'm a townie whose trying to reavaluate his reads as he goes to ensure the best chance at catching scum? Nah, that would be crazy. Also your argument that I knew onegus alignment and thats why I town read ritoky is literally retarded ill rehash it here in all its n1 glory Ritoky's switch onto Onegu last second makes very little sense as scum, if Onegu is town and gets bussed last sec, Ritoky looks terrible. If Onegue is scum, he just helped kill his teamate 0_0 seems like a dumb and unnecessary risk when town is already fixated on slam. It's possible Ritoky was super confident Bh's lynch wouldn't go through, but then why bother at all? Just to distance himself from the slam lynch? Could backfire huge if Onegu actually did get lynched (would look like a last second buss off of Ritoky's buddy slam) It doesnt fucking matter what onegus alignment is, IT STILL LOOKS BAD ON RITOKY OR IS BAD FOR RITOKY. There is no pre flip asociation going on here, the only motive to vote onegu in such a dodgy situation is to lynch scum! tldr ritoky put lynching the guy he thought was most likely scum over his own reputation therefore he is fucking town. How is that so hard to wrap your tiny brain around? | ||
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On October 31 2015 00:33 GlowingBear wrote: This actually reinforces what I've brought. Gb, you are agreeing with the guy you have pushed as scum since day motherfucking 1, to kill the dude who is directly responsible for saving you FOR TWO DAYS STRAIGHT. go read my pitiful scum games if your not sure, I dont play like this as scum, meta says I'm town, My actions pretty much say I'm town, my sheer activity say I'm town, other townies say I'm town, the only ones saying I'm scum are you, and your fucking scum read | ||
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gumshoe
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On October 31 2015 00:34 GlowingBear wrote: If you're town, have this exact post in mind than go reading my "please read" post. And now I'm gonna peace out before I start offending people. Your stupidity is a constant offense that pervades the thread every second of every night and every day. May as well go full dumbass as your a perpetual cancer upon this town as things stand. | ||
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Vivax
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Why so mad gumshoe? | ||
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gumshoe
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so for better or worse, I'm likely here to stay T_T Which means I dont really have to worry about lylo as me and a town read of mine (who isnt gb) will probally just vote gb/vivax to end the game. so we can just take this a step at a time. TOMMOROW NO MATTER WHAT, WE LYNCH HOPELESS. The dude is 100 percent scum and we gotta be done with him. | ||
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gumshoe
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On October 31 2015 00:58 Vivax wrote: GB is hilarious atm. Why so mad gumshoe? Cause I hate it when I get it mislynched because townies dont understand the way I think and cant actually think themselves T_T My ratio of getting mislynched day 1 or 2 to total games played is pretty up there, so this is triggering some pretty heavy nam flashbacks That and I detest retarded logic, especially when its directed at me. Oh and yeah, what do you think of chrom? Stop dodging me dodgevax : P | ||
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