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On October 31 2015 00:28 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2015 22:11 Chromatically wrote:
Here's something I just thought of:
You're GB and you're town. You KNOW 100% that the wagons were mafia-town, and the vote went through 5-4. Here are the votes against you:
Onegu (confirmed mafia)
Chromatically (your townread who's been pushing you)
Vivax (your #1 scumread all game)
Hopeless (complete lurker you've been calling scum all game)
So... a Vivax-Hopeless team should be pretty obvious from a town GB perspective, right? Instead, GB is assuming that Onegu was a complete bus from both mafia (who didn't hammer GB for some reason?), when he logically should see that all the scummiest people in the game (from his perspective) were piled on his wagon (who he should know is town). Yeah. And me bussing Onegu since day1, however, is completely okay.
This doesn't even have anything to do with what I said! THERE IS NO LOGIC TO GB FLIPPING HIS READS LIKE THIS OUT OF NOWHERE.
GB has not been bussing Onegu. He's been throwing suspicion on Onegu and saying he's mafia, but never once has he pushed Onegu to be lynched with any kind of force. He votes yamato over Onegu D2 without pushing Onegu and then switches to rayn?
If you were mafia and your team was Onegu/Hopeless, would you really not throw suspicion on them?
Here's the kind of stuff he's been saying:
On October 23 2015 11:59 GlowingBear wrote:
Onegu (I can never read him and I hated that he said he would sheep me - gives me deja vu from last game where he was mafia against me - him being more invested in this game is usually a bad sign)
On October 26 2015 08:15 GlowingBear wrote:
I am very suspicious of Onegu. I will always think he is a good lynch.
On October 24 2015 03:08 GlowingBear wrote:
I've said I could lynch Onegu. Yamato is the type of guy that gets afk as both alignments and if he is mafia time can easily tell.
On October 26 2015 09:59 GlowingBear wrote:
I'm voting yamato atm but I prefer an onegu lynch better
There is absolutely nothing in here that makes a GB-Onegu team unlikely at all. I would argue that the suspicion without pushing it at all makes it more likely.
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I'm flattered that Vivax thinks I can be mafia so that's okay.
I'm actually going to go crazy if people don't want to lynch GB though. Really crazy.
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I'm worried that somehow people won't lynch GB if we don't do it soon. Like LYLO with gumshoe, Vivax, and GB sounds like an absolute nightmare right now.
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On October 31 2015 01:47 Chromatically wrote:
I'm worried that somehow people won't lynch GB if we don't do it soon. Like LYLO with gumshoe, Vivax, and GB sounds like an absolute nightmare right now.
ROFLMAO
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On October 31 2015 01:47 Chromatically wrote:
I'm worried that somehow people won't lynch GB if we don't do it soon. Like LYLO with gumshoe, Vivax, and GB sounds like an absolute nightmare right now.
I swear that wont happen, we lynch hopeless tommorow, gb/vivax the day after and whoevers left between the two at lylo. No one else dies by fire this game.
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Well does hopeless, Vivax, gumshoe sound any better 
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On October 31 2015 01:49 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2015 01:47 Chromatically wrote:
I'm worried that somehow people won't lynch GB if we don't do it soon. Like LYLO with gumshoe, Vivax, and GB sounds like an absolute nightmare right now. I swear that wont happen, we lynch hopeless tommorow, gb/vivax the day after and whoevers left between the two at lylo. No one else dies by fire this game.
Okay gumshoe my man I'm counting on you.
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Like, Chrom, for your nightmare scenario to occur we would basically need to lynch into a confirmed townie / : (bh xata you ritoky or me) that wont happen.
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On October 31 2015 01:49 Xatalos wrote:Well does hopeless, Vivax, gumshoe sound any better
oh dear god 0_0
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Yeah that's true, but apparently Vivax and maybe ritoky are thinking about lynching you and it's getting a bit to spooky for me. Way too many tinfoil theories floating around, we win if we just stick to the plan.
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Let's see.... Totally hypothetical development of the game..
Xatalos is killed
hopeless is lynched
Blazinghand is killed
GlowingBear is lynched
Chromatically is killed
LYLO would be.... ritoky/Vivax/gumshoe? Not too bad actually, assuming that Vivax is actually scum out of these three.
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On October 31 2015 01:52 Chromatically wrote:
Yeah that's true, but apparently Vivax and maybe ritoky are thinking about lynching you and it's getting a bit to spooky for me. Way too many tinfoil theories floating around, we win if we just stick to the plan.
Maybe not ritoky but he thinks there's a sneakster scum which would mean lynching someone that we shouldn't lynch.
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Oh, ritoky wanted to lynch gumshoe....? le sigh
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It's hilarious how you call people confirmed just for being on the right wagon, it's like you guys have to still learn what bussing is and that it's pretty common around here.
Literally what mafia wants, being able to measure townieness by cred instead of play, cause it's easier to get cred from a simple vote than play like you aren't mafia.
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Well I'd say gumshoe is the most townie on play by far. Followed by Blazinghand, followed by Chromatically... That's how I see it.
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I'll be damned if Xata is scum in this game. I would policy lynch him in every game to come.
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His filter is approx 1/4 of this entire game in size.
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On October 31 2015 01:55 Vivax wrote:
It's hilarious how you call people confirmed just for being on the right wagon, it's like you guys have to still learn what bussing is and that it's pretty common around here.
Literally what mafia wants, being able to measure townieness by cred instead of play, cause it's easier to get cred from a simple vote than play like you aren't mafia.
No. Everyone on the Onegu wagon could have easily and justifiably switched to GB, with minimal suspicion on them. You are arguing that given the choice completely on their own, mafia chose to kill their partner rather than town. It's possible that they put together a sick bus plan to get town cred, but 99% of the time 4-3 LYLO with would be way way better than the position now when they already had lots of town cred.
And gumshoe has played a lot like he isn't mafia, lol.
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Well I think you can pretty safely say that if my filter is 20+ pages, I'm town
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On October 31 2015 01:36 Chromatically wrote:
Guys, think about this:
IF GB is town:
The mafia are three out of {me, Vivax, Hopeless}. No question.
If you believe otherwise (that at least one mafia was bussing), then you have to find a person on the Onegu wagon that couldn't have switched to secure the GB lynch.
gumshoe wrote a justification for voting GB, he could have kept his vote there.
BH was posting a lot about being worried about the lynch, he could have easily switched at the last second and people would be like "Oh BH, you silly goose! You and your shenannies!"
ritoky switched for basically no reason and hammered scum, he 100% could have just kept his vote on GB with perfect justification.
Xatalos was saying that he might be okay with lynching GB earlier in the day and he's been scumreading GB too, he could have switched.
The mafia team is EITHER GB + someone else OR {me/Vivax/Hopeless}. To believe otherwise, you have to think that scum willingly avoided, for basically no reason, lynching a town and saving Onegu, which would have put us into 4-3 LYLO.
If you disagree with this, you are saying that mafia WILLINGLY chose to kill their partner over GB, when they were already being read as town by everyone in the thread (BH, gumshoe, ritoky, Xatalos all were top towns). There was no reason to bus for town cred when they could have switched to put us in LYLO.
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