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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
Day 2 Vote Count GlowingBear (3): Chromatically, ritoky, Vivax yamato77 (3): gumshoe, Xatalos, GlowingBear raynpelikoneet (1): Xatalos (1): raynpelikoneet, Onegu (0): Not Voting (3): Hopeless1der, Onegu, yamato77 Looks like it's time to sack GlowingBear for being a traitor! Day 2 ends in at 22:00 GMT (+00:00). The quality control list is here. The automated list counter is here. Only votes on this list will be counted. Please mind the deadline as failure to vote will result in a modkill. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
Also, HtS I see you have marvellosity listed as "Not Voting": Not Voting (4): marvellosity, which, while technically correct, is surely misleading, as he died N1. | ||
yamato77
11589 Posts
at the very least I'll do a couple filters after work tomorrow but I'm honestly so disinterested in this game I dunno, it's my fault really, but this wasn't as enjoyable as the last time I played for whatever reason I think I lost it | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
1:Gb is not as active as usual 2:does not push his reads like he does normally. 3:miscelanius points 1: This ones easy, activity, I have been highly active this game, I currently have 5 pages mid day 2. You only have six, are we mafia Chrom? 4 pages is plenty for day 1. More would mostly just result in thread clutter. Some players as they get better become more concise and as the initial excitement wears off they're a little less eager to post. Maybe gb is just improving at making his point without 5 million posts? Would you not regard that as an improvement? Gb is also currently active in school as we learnt earlier this game. That and he took on a ton of heat earlier and when were under attack were less free to pursue reads and were busy defending ourselves (which usually amounts to smaller posts as its just us answering questions or crying onto our keyboards, were also kinda sad so we post less overall) Does your sample size (which is already ludicrously small, with only 2 usable town games to speak of, seriously shouldn't have included the post limit one) account for any of those factors? Absolutely not. This point is utterly moot and should have never been brought to thread. 2: This also is a fairly easy point to break. Gb has pushed his Vivax read super godamm hard. Well, I think he is mafia because he is assuming things in absolutes. I'm used to see Vivax being paranoid town and him giving a bunch of town reads right out of the blue does not looks like his standard gameplay. There are a couple of similar posts like the one regarding yamato, but there are no posts where he shows the reason to his top town reads. His first post was a vote on yamato? And yes, he CAN do it as town, but his whole filter has posts in similar fashion. And I usually see Vivax being paranoid. Not this straight forward. I may be wrong here marv, but what I'm trying to say is not that he is calling people mafia, but that his posts are very straight forward here (that's what I trying to saying with "absolutes" = he calls a player mafia, he calls a player town - I don't see him having a slow progression on most people. And I'm used to Vivax being way more wary before giving reads). It's basically tonal. I think I'm having a hard time even to understand what I want to say LOL. I mean he had a couple of theories to tunnel both of you. He WASN'T straight forward. His town reads were never strong because of the tin foil. But here, less than half a day, he already has like 4 townreads, and two of them I don't even understand why. By the way, Vivax, what are the reasons to townread BH and Xata? Vivax you KNOW that if yamato is town he will eventually come to the thread and try. It has been like that for a long time. It's the kind of player that you get better read on him as the game goes by. Instead you decided to push him at the start of day 1 and is actually scum reading him for being AFK for less than 24 hours. I pushed Vivax because I don't like his tone and his easy town passes. I can find it scummy before further investigating it. I'm re-reading the game atm. I can go on, but I wont, suffice to say there are 12 direct Vivax is mafia posts with reasoning provided. For refrence, Marv the guy with a 10 page filler has only 10 posts with actual points against slam, the day 1 lynch. What kind of super human standard are you holding Gb too? The guy argued against Vivax until all of town collectively jumped on his dick for it. He woulda gone on for sure if he didnt have to spend time defending himself -_- did he have ward off the likes of Rayn and Marv AND Yamato in the games you mentioned? Have you not considered the situation at fucking all? Despite all that he is extremely passionate about his Vivax case, I dont know how you can say he isn't 0_0. as town, GB not only pushes his target a lot, but is very passionate about doing so (doing capslock or spamming the thread to vote for his target). As mafia, he may have a target but he is much calmer about it and doesn't seem to be very invested in the lynch saying something is dispassionate doesn't make it dispassionate. Are we even playing the same game? Gb had more activity day 1 then the vast majority of town(more than me and you and me) thats not even considering that he had class Wednesday. Oh and heres your caps lock I HAVE READ THE THREAD I KNOW YOU "YOLO'ED" AND CALLED ONEGU TOWN FOR NO REASON I KNOW YOU META'ED HOPELESS AND CALLED HIM TOWN I KNOW MARV AND YOU HAD TWO INITIAL TOWNREADS - XATALOS AND VIVAX I KNOW YOU FUCKING HAD GUMSHOE AS MAFIA THEN FLIPPED YOUR READ WHY CAN'T I BRING WHAT I THINK ABOUT PLAYERS AND ASK YOU TO COMMENT ABOUT WHAT I'VE BROUGHT INSTEAD OF SAYING "OH OKAY RAYN SAID THESE GUYS ARE TOWN SO THEY ARE"????!?!?? JESUS CHRIST how is this diffrent compared to the ones you showed? Cherry picking is fun, but it doesnt really have a place here Chrom / : Oh and the Rayn lynch you mentioned was an association read of Vivax, didn't really count on it's own. I dont blame Gb for not pushing his lynch harder than he already was come lynch time XD, he had no thread power whatsoever and people who did have it were firmly against him, what would you have him do, push for Vivax until town lynched gb just to shut him up? 3: Miscelanius points. Point 1! I thought these were very strange posts to get reads from. Why does my post in there give him such a strong townread on me? I LITERALLY said that BH hasn't done anything alignment indicative and I get a day pass for it??? What? The posts from ritoky and Xatalos he quoted also seemed very strange, since I do not consider those posts particularly town at all. This doesn't make sense from town, but it makes sense from a mafia trying to manufacture their town reads on players they already know are town. Why does scum need to manufacture town reads on players who look super shitty? Wouldnt that be a bad idea 0_0 town can infer from several little cues why someone would be town, I have green cleared people for far less this game(I think I green lighted rickoty for coming after me at one point, thats all), why arent you attacking me right now for that? You know that your town chrom and you know your taking heat, in this situation why does gb feel compelled to like you if hesscum when he can just set you up as a lynch target, or just say hes null on you? This point makes no sense from a scum perspective whatsoever unless your all his scum buddies XD, but it can make sense from a derpy or intuitive townie. misc point 2 Yamato isn't an easy catch day1 by the way, Viv. He is actually very hard to catch because a lot of times he is town he also AFK's and die because of that. Like the last time he smurfed and got lynched. I think it's Himalayas? you actually cherry picked this point like a champ. This a continuation pretty much of a previous post in which hes scum reading Vivax Vivax you KNOW that if yamato is town he will eventually come to the thread and try. It has been like that for a long time. It's the kind of player that you get better read on him as the game goes by. Instead you decided to push him at the start of day 1 and is actually scum reading him for being AFK for less than 24 hours. He wasnt advising Vivax, he was given an example of how Yamato plays, to back up his accusation that Vivax was laying into Yamato early on -_- this is more along the lines of "you should know this, therefore your scum for not" rather than "heres some friendly advise kind stranger!" Tldr. 1:Gb does actively push his read on Vivax. 2:Activity in this case doesnt work as an argument considering the weakness of your sample and the extenuating circumstances. 3: The points you raise against him, that he town reads non townie players that are actually fucking townie (which is dumb cause there's no reason to do that as scum, it can actually come back to bite you pretty hard as a point of contention.) and that he some how interrupts his fight with vivax to teach him(which is so dumb, because for starters that doesnt make him scum and for enders he didn't interrupt it, he was continuing a point) are all dumb. Come back with a non troll case plox. | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
On October 26 2015 12:20 yamato77 wrote: yeah this obviously didn't happen today at the very least I'll do a couple filters after work tomorrow but I'm honestly so disinterested in this game I dunno, it's my fault really, but this wasn't as enjoyable as the last time I played for whatever reason I think I lost it It's weird. I can relate to. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
He tried to nuke you 0_0 hes not your friend. Stop relating to him. | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
On October 26 2015 10:39 gumshoe wrote: If you can read Yam at all you should know how shit his day 1 was. In fact you of all fucking people should know that XD His contributions consisted of getting Marv to go after you, almost resulting in your lynch. Not wanting to lynch Onegue for no reason, vaugley going after Slam early and then parroting Marvs slam case back at him to explain his miday vote. I can understand chrom not wanting to see Yam as scum, cause then he has to give up his case on you -_- but how can YOU still defend Yam? Its unbelievable XD To summarize, from your perspective all Yam has been doing is advocating mislynches, providing shady undexplained reads, lurking and fucking town reading/protecting the likes of hopeless and onegue... WHY ARE WE NOT KILLING THIS MAN. If he actually is town by some miraculous stretch, lurkers should be coming out of retirement just to throw shade his way. Instead the only person trying to bring down the man with what must be the most fantastic ratio of lurk to malevolent post this game is me XD That right there should be enough to tell the tale -_- cman gb, get in mah pen ![[image loading]](http://s0.geograph.org.uk/geophotos/02/50/90/2509024_4383a58c.jpg) I'm not defending yamato, I'm voting him. Let me ask you a question: if yamato flips green, does it change your read on me? | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
On October 26 2015 12:33 gumshoe wrote: He tried to nuke you 0_0 hes not your friend. Stop relating to him. Hahaha well he is still a player and the feelin is still relatable I feel burned out :/ | ||
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On October 26 2015 12:33 GlowingBear wrote: I'm not defending yamato, I'm voting him. Let me ask you a question: if yamato flips green, does it change your read on me? Not paticularly, I town read you for tone, and the slam thing. If yamato flips green, it just means he may or may not have been wrong about you. Nothing else. The only thing that really says anything is a red flip. ie if Yam is scum, you must be town, the inverse applies as well if you flip red. Basically you COULD both be town, or its 1 and 1, but you cant both be scum. But yam is way scummier, so he always goes first. If he does flip green, I dont actually know what tommorows lynch will look like. The rayn killers will probally come back, people will call for your head, Onegu will probally be the only viable lynch but I'm not 100 percent sold on him as scum as I am yam. If it comes to that well deal with it then, but I dont think itll come to that / : | ||
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Chromatically
United States1700 Posts
In my case, I made the clear point that his activity in this game was more similar to his activity as mafia than as town. I also showed how the way he pushed his Vivax read is not the same as how he pushes cases as town (providing quotes from other games). The caps lock post you quoted as an example of passion is not relevant, because that post is just GB yelling at rayn for something, not pushing a read passionately like he does as town. I was pretty impressed at how many insults and condescending phrases you worked into that post though, given that I've been nice to you about your yamato posts I disagree with! | ||
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On October 26 2015 12:40 Chromatically wrote: I really don't want to go through that whole post gumshoe so I don't think I will, unless other people really agree with your points and want me to do it. In my case, I made the clear point that his activity in this game was more similar to his activity as mafia than as town. I also showed how the way he pushed his Vivax read is not the same as how he pushes cases as town (providing quotes from other games). The caps lock post you quoted as an example of passion is not relevant, because that post is just GB yelling at rayn for something, not pushing a read passionately like he does as town. I was pretty impressed at how many insults and condescending phrases you worked into that post though, given that I've been nice to you about your yamato posts I disagree with! I'm sorry ) : I'm super mean when I'm trying to get a lynch together. It's my equivalent to driving on the highway. I honestly think your very smart and my meaness is more like a tick than anything else. I'll try to keep it civil from now on. for the activity, 4 pages is alot considering he was busy day 1 and that he was coming under heat for most of it. The vivax case was high jacked by others laying into him for it, so it mostly became him explaining himself, which is a pretty townie thing to have happen / : also your sample size is really unreliable, which you said as much and should invalidate that whole filter point from the get. If it was like 2 pages I'd get it, but 4 is more than me or you / : it's an active filter. Basically, the points you bring up feel null rather than scummy. More like stumbling townie than a scummer trying to burn posts while standing by a terrible lynch target that town is flaming them for. | ||
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Chromatically
United States1700 Posts
 It's all good gumshoe.The point about activity isn't really about whether he's "active" or "inactive" according to our standards. It's just that, from a purely statistical basis, his activity level is much closer to his mafia activity than his town activity. So even if 4 pages is a lot for me or you, it's way less than town GB usually has and about the same as mafia GB. Honestly 3 games from each side is not that small of a sample size, especially considering that you can see the general trend that he's less active as mafia. It's not totally conclusive but it's still a reasonable point. If you think they're null, then fair enough. I don't think I would be able to convince you today anyway, so I'll focus my efforts on other people. | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
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Onegu
United States9695 Posts
I think I like a hopeless lynch at this point. He is just lurking which is with the way the thread was and has been imploding I cant shake the feeling there is at least 1 scum in the lurkers if not 2 or even 3. Plus I did a test for him and he failed it hard. He said he would vote me if I did nothing and I basically told him I look forward to it and he did nothing about it. There are a few other things like his votes and reasons. I will go more into it tomorrow. Ritoky could also easily be mafia as a lurker, plus his thing following his towniest read and that read was BH. Ill get into more details tomorrow. But for now. ##Vote: Hopeless | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
if you do want to actually lynch Hopeless (and I can't tell anything from his filter other than that he seemed vaguely itnerested in the game then never tried and stopped posting) you have to commit to shennannying at the deadline if he's gonna get modkilled, Onegu The reason I bring this up is because I'm imagining the following situation: We pull together a wagon on someone and lynch him, and then you never come back all day and hopeless1 gets modkilled, and you do not particupate in the town discourse all day and we don't know anything about you, and you never had to take any stances.... So here's what Iwant from you, 1gu: a commitment to shenannie if Hopeless1 isn't going to get modkill, and you take part in the day's discussions. What do you say? | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
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Onegu
United States9695 Posts
On October 26 2015 14:31 Blazinghand wrote: Well, he hasn't voted or posted in the past like 2 or 3 days, right? Although there's no hard activity requirement in this game, you are required to vote. He may jsut be modkilled. I don't even know why I'm reasoning with you Onegu but, couldn't we just shenannie onto Hopeless if he comes back? cause otherwise we should just let him get MKed if you do want to actually lynch Hopeless (and I can't tell anything from his filter other than that he seemed vaguely itnerested in the game then never tried and stopped posting) you have to commit to shennannying at the deadline if he's gonna get modkilled, Onegu The reason I bring this up is because I'm imagining the following situation: We pull together a wagon on someone and lynch him, and then you never come back all day and hopeless1 gets modkilled, and you do not particupate in the town discourse all day and we don't know anything about you, and you never had to take any stances.... So here's what Iwant from you, 1gu: a commitment to shenannie if Hopeless1 isn't going to get modkill, and you take part in the day's discussions. What do you say? oK ##Unvote | ||
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