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ritoky
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ritoky
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he is refusing to play until xata is dead or just flat refusing to play. stop enabling him. either he is mafia and is being mafia and you're wrong. or he is town and actively sandbagging the game for his team. stop defending him and his behavior. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25562 Posts
I don't see scum responding to a free vote this way. This is hilarious and fun and spontaneous and probably not what a scum player would do, because scum has to be more calculating. Here's a snippet of you and I discussing GB (edited for some mistakes): On October 24 2015 03:19 Blazinghand wrote: So Vivax, if I understand what you're getting at here, you were tonereaded by GB as scum. After people came in to defend you, GB then said "Vivax is pushing easy targets, so he's still scum". Why is GB scum and not a tunnelled townie for this? I think you raise a good point with the marv flip-flop (though again, marv is easy to read this game, so we don't really care about him) but "this guy got tunnelled and changed his reason for scumreading someone" seems like... well, in a vacuum it seems like the kind of thing a townie would do, especially if it's a little unpopular. Scum could easily change reads (as you note GB did on Marv), so why not do that on you? If I've missed context here, fill me in. Also, if I recall accurately you were one of the early supports of the RNG lynch on rayn. However, glancing through your filter, I don't see anything other than cursory interactions with him between voting him and now, and yet he's no longer on your list. You also write: Which wasn't too long ago. Where do you stand on rayn, and why? I'm not saying "hurr durr vote rayn now" but I'd like to see a clear statement from you on your position on raynpelikoneet, who which I think addressed my thoughts on the early GB play pretty succinctly. On October 24 2015 03:26 Blazinghand wrote: I consider this moderate evidence that GB is town. It would be the easiest thing in the world for GB to drop this, right? So him sticking to it means he must really BELIEVE it (however incorrectly?) more than he cares about living. This isn't a dumbtell, it's a determinedtell. For example, the biggest shitfests between 2 people are always "town and town" cause nobody is more determined and stubborn than a tunnelled townie. I think this is fair point that I make here. This is what tunnelled townies look like. Is it possible, here, Vivax, that you're scumreading GB just because he scumread you, and that got you mad or at least biased? It's a really common thing for Town to OMGUS people, (town or scum), that call them scum, especially for clearly irrational reasonsl ike GB expressed. Now, we can say ":GB is irrational, and we expect town to have a certain logic" and that's a fair thing to say! for sure! but at the same time, scum ALSO has a certain logic. They're looking out for #1. They're not gonna do this, not after getting opposition from rayn and marv, right? They'll blow which way the wind is going, and be forgotten about. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25562 Posts
On October 26 2015 17:44 ritoky wrote: can you people seriously stop defending rayn? seriously. he is refusing to play until xata is dead or just flat refusing to play. stop enabling him. either he is mafia and is being mafia and you're wrong. or he is town and actively sandbagging the game for his team. stop defending him and his behavior. Look, ritokty. You know me, right? You and I played together in Cell Mafia, and you got to see how ruthless I was as scum. I was willing to lie about a house move, a HOUSE MOVE, I took photos of boxes and everything, and pretended comcast disconnected my internet, etc, JUST to get a tiny edge in a game of mafia. I'm ruthless. I'll do anything to win. I don't care about what's right, or what's easy-- just what wins the game. and what I think, is that rayn is not someone we should lynch right now. I think we give him a chance to get back in the game. when I read his angry posts, like you, I thought, "here's a guy who could easily be scum pretending to be mad in order to avoid contributing". And when he tapered off and did nothing, I thought my concerns were justified. And maybe they are! Maybe rayn reailly IS SCUM. This could be true. But I think there's a good chance he's not. I did vote him, you know, until that post, that one post, that niggling doubt, took over me. Rayn arguing witht he mod. Rayn using green text. Doesn't that SOUND like something rayn would do as town? Doens't that sound like real anger? And now maybe, deep down, you're mad at rayn, you think he is town but youw ant to punish him. You think his play is unacceptable and he should be lynched even if he is town to punish him. I understand that. I know where you're coming from. I know what you're feeling becasue I felt it. that kind of play,r egardless of laignment, is bad. It WOULD be poetic justice, even if rayn was town as you might feel inside, to lynch him, for being so bad, for his insolence, for giving up. But you know what ritoky? I'm ruthless. I don't care about justice. I just want to WIN. as scum, i'm willing to lie, to manipulate, to brag, to photoshop, to twist things to win. And as town? I'm willing to throw away my principles. I don't care wehther or not rayn is sandbagging, I don't care whether or not he deserves to die. I just want to win. Look inside yourself, ritoky. Do you hate rayn for what he posted? Or do you think he's scum? I think he's just mad. I think maybe you think that too, and youw ant to punish him. Don't do that. Be ruthless. Make youer heart cold. Let's play to win. | ||
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ritoky
United States6851 Posts
lynching into yamato, gb, rayn, hopeless. hopeless really depresses me this game. cuz even if he does come back, barring town rainbow colored poo, i see no way i will make it through the duration of this game not lynching him...that thought depresses me greatly cuz he was funny on day 1 and i thought he was kinda town. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25562 Posts
On October 26 2015 17:50 ritoky wrote: i still think my list is right....maybe....also i haven't really read since i last posted, so i still feel as right as before, which is helpful. lynching into yamato, gb, rayn, hopeless. hopeless really depresses me this game. cuz even if he does come back, barring town rainbow colored poo, i see no way i will make it through the duration of this game not lynching him...that thought depresses me greatly cuz he was funny on day 1 and i thought he was kinda town. I am banking on hope,lss1 getting modkilled. If he comes back and votes (which would allow him to avoid modkill), I will vote him. | ||
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ritoky
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ritoky
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Blazinghand
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On October 26 2015 17:52 ritoky wrote: BH, why is it so hard to get ppl to vote on GB? i think 75% of the game or more has thought he was mafia at some point or another? I actually don't think the dude is scum, which is why I'm not voting him, but you do raise a good point that if people have been scumreading him and don't want to vote him, that could be a sign of mafianess. IMO the best thing to do in a situation like this is to point out the people individually. Let's say, for example, that Xat (hypothetically) scumreaded GB, but now that the vote comes up, decided to vote for someone else and just stopped calling GB scum. Call that out! Just call out the individuals who have scumreads on GB and aren't voting him. I'm about to On October 26 2015 17:53 ritoky wrote: playing around modkills always comes back to bite town.... i would know, i have used the ninja vote as mafia tactic before to great effect. I give my vow as the shennannigan king that should Hopelss1 return to doj a modkill I will shenannie onto him SO HARD | ||
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ritoky
United States6851 Posts
i have 1 guy in xata who is either playing 5 steps ahead or in a tunnel potentially filled of rage. i have 1 guy in yamato who is constantly handing out empty promises. i have 1 guy in hopeless who might have died irl. i have 1 guy in rayn who ragequit lyfe, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. i have 1 guy in GB who has never once been so disenfranchised with a mafia game. i have 1 guy in onegu who has had the tonal shift of the ages. like why can't this be easier right now? seriously. all i want are town reads that are trying to find mafia. not all of those people can be mafia....and that isn't even considering if there's a sneakster mafia. i am just tired and want town reads. is this too much to ask for? | ||
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ritoky
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Blazinghand
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Well make it tho just wait | ||
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Vivax
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Ritoky move with me to yamato? | ||
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Vivax
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ritoky
United States6851 Posts
if i am moving it's onto rayn or yamato or maybe hopeless depending on if he posts. but that would require me reading or some1 selling me on it right now. probably too tired for that to occur. going to sleep in 10 mins. | ||
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ritoky
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Blazinghand
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Blazinghand
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Blazinghand
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Thanks ladies and gents, and good night | ||
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Rels
France13467 Posts
Day 2 Vote Count yamato77 (4): gumshoe, Xatalos, GlowingBear, Vivax GlowingBear (2): Chromatically, ritoky, Xatalos (1): raynpelikoneet, Onegu (1): raynpelikoneet (0): Hopeless1der (0): Not Voting (3): Hopeless1der, Onegu, yamato77 Looks like it's time to sack yamato77 for being a traitor! Day 2 ends in at 22:00 GMT (+00:00). The quality control list is here. The automated list counter is here. Only votes on this list will be counted. Please mind the deadline as failure to vote will result in a modkill. | ||
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