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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
us, us, us vs. them, them, them line that he is reinforcing with this post he is hard-aligning with you, rayn, which if i were you would make me instantly wary, but i don't know how well you know this guy. and town will want to start cozying up to townreads, too, so it doesn't make him scum. doesn't keep the subtext from making me itch, though | ||
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Rels
France13467 Posts
On August 06 2015 22:24 iGrok wrote: @Rayne, I think that this game is forming up to be a clash of mindsets - Old vets like myself, you, and possibly Yamato compared to the newer styles of rsoultin, ruxxar, and... most other people here. Somehow, there's a mental disconnect preventing communication between the two sides. We need to fix this if we want to win. WTF 1 - I don't even know why you count yamato in your team when you're not sure he's town or mafia. 2 - Rayn actually asked you to drop the lynch inactive thing and start to scumhunt and comment on things, so it's not far from what rsoul and ruxx are scumreading for 3 - WHY are you fucking segregating the players in opposide sides ... there is only two teams : town and mafia. It really feels like you're trying to get people to fight There is NO disconnect preventing communication. Everybody, scumreading or twonreading you, agrees on these two things: 1 - sure we should lynch lurkers refusing to play 2 - you should start doing something else though | ||
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iGrok
United States5142 Posts
1. FecalFeast 2. Yamato77 3. TheShining 4. EdgarAllenPoE 5. Rels 6. Raynpelikoneet 7. CopCake 8. Damdred 9. KelsierSC 10. RuXxar 11.scott31337 12. rsoultin 13. iGrok | ||
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iGrok
United States5142 Posts
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
rels is right you're doing nothing do something it's laughable that you think this is you "carrying town" | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
if your issue is you can't english and don't understand what's in my posts, there's little i can do to help with that until you bother to be more specific | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
i'm not an active lurker | ||
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Rels
France13467 Posts
On August 06 2015 22:41 iGrok wrote: @Rels, Yes, I'm totally trying to separate the town and get people to fight by saying there are two different mindsets at work and we need to improve communication /SARCASM OK. Explain what is the communication problem between rayn & the rest of town 'cause I don't see it. | ||
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iGrok
United States5142 Posts
On August 06 2015 22:43 Rels wrote: OK. Explain what is the communication problem between rayn & the rest of town 'cause I don't see it. Sure, one group understands what active lurking is and the other doesn't. One group realizes that LAL is a great policy to start D1, and the other thinks it isn't. The circles aren't Town/Mafia or anything like that - I'll welcome anyone in. I'm including Yamato because I've played with him for a long time and I know he'll get it. If he doesn't, ezpz scumread, but he's better than that. | ||
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Rels
France13467 Posts
Now it's time for you to do something else though. Cause the only person that did less scumhunting than you was yamato. The only thing you did was a case on rsoul paraphrasing all her posts, that didn't convince me. So you are an active lurker right now. You could start be doing what you said you would when waking up: On August 06 2015 18:56 iGrok wrote: As its 6am, I don't have the mental fortitude to go through other people's cases at the moment, but I'll do that tomorrow. Right now I'm just watching Dota 2 and checking the thread occasionally. Unfortunately, some people still don't seem to understand what active lurkers are (Ruxxar, I'm looking at you). You and Rels have been talking about things but, as I said, I'm not super mentally sharp right now, so I'll go over it tomorrow. I think I said something about EAP earlier today, and also, iirc Shining hadn't even posted before I left for dinner? Could be wrong on that. The point is, tomorrow I'll go through and reassess everyone to figure out who the lurkeriest lurker is. | ||
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ruXxar
Norway5668 Posts
On August 06 2015 22:50 iGrok wrote: Sure, one group understands what active lurking is and the other doesn't. One group realizes that LAL is a great policy to start D1, and the other thinks it isn't. The circles aren't Town/Mafia or anything like that - I'll welcome anyone in. I'm including Yamato because I've played with him for a long time and I know he'll get it. If he doesn't, ezpz scumread, but he's better than that. Problem I have with your strategy is that lurking is a nebulous term for people of low post activity. Maybe you define lurker differently from me, but lynching people with post count as the only metric without looking at the content if their posts is stupid. | ||
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Rels
France13467 Posts
And is it 100% based on meta ? | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
For example his first real post is horrid even for shining, and it made me want to scum read him. But his other posts that are somewhat catch up posts with reads and a response to me make me go yep this is town shining. This is really vague but shining can't really be read content wise early even if he says smart things he's always going to sound super robotic in his posts instead of more free. He can't change his scum tone shrig | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
he's saying my posting is useless, but he won't ask me what i mean on the posts he doesn't understand others are clearly finding my pushes and points, but he's not, yet he doesn't have the curiosity to see what he is that he's missing? or prove to them that they're wrong and he's right and my posts really are nothing but fluff? | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On August 06 2015 23:08 Rels wrote: rsoul how sure are you on your ruxxar townread ? And is it 100% based on meta ? sure enough i'll actively try to obstruct a d1 lynch on him? it's...god how do i even begin to explain these things >< people here will call it meta. i usually call it tone in reality it's a hybrid of meta/tone and actually speaks to what i know of his personality and what mindset/thoughts i believe are natural for him. scum usually has a very hard time replicating the thought process they'd have as town this is the same way that i'm reading damdy, btw, but my track record on damdy is very, very good. i'm most confident of my damdy read as a result | ||
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ruXxar
Norway5668 Posts
As scum this is the perfect strategy for pushing lynches without much resistance. And of course with your own arbitrary interpretation of what is a lurker or not(active lukers?!) you could easily pick a few townies to mislynch before you change up your strategy and lynch people for other reasons. | ||
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iGrok
United States5142 Posts
Couldn't sleep, sunburn's a bitch. Pushing through thanks to caffeine. I'm taking care of business (replying to people) first. You do realize I said that 4 hours ago, right? On August 06 2015 23:03 ruXxar wrote: Problem I have with your strategy is that lurking is a nebulous term for people of low post activity. Maybe you define lurker differently from me, but lynching people with post count as the only metric without looking at the content if their posts is stupid. Ruxxar, nowhere did I say that post count was the only metric. If Yamato were to write a 2000-word treatise on each player's relationships with each other, he'd be well on his way to not being a lurker. But low post count means low interaction with other players, which is literally all the information we have to go on. British Dictionary: lurking /ˈlɜːkɪŋ/ adjective 1. lingering and persistent, though unsuspected or unacknowledged | ||
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ruXxar
Norway5668 Posts
On August 06 2015 23:13 ruXxar wrote: The thing is no one is going to say "I love lurkers, let's lynch active people!" As scum this is the perfect strategy for pushing lynches without much resistance. And of course with your own arbitrary interpretation of what is a lurker or not(active lukers?!) you could easily pick a few townies to mislynch before you change up your strategy and lynch people for other reasons. In Himalayas I used this exact same logic of "I hate lurkers" as scum to mislynch town, so excuse me if I'm a bit suspicious. | ||
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Rels
France13467 Posts
On August 06 2015 23:11 rsoultin wrote: sure enough i'll actively try to obstruct a d1 lynch on him? it's...god how do i even begin to explain these things >< people here will call it meta. i usually call it tone in reality it's a hybrid of meta/tone and actually speaks to what i know of his personality and what mindset/thoughts i believe are natural for him. scum usually has a very hard time replicating the thought process they'd have as town this is the same way that i'm reading damdy, btw, but my track record on damdy is very, very good. i'm most confident of my damdy read as a result OK that makes 100% sense. Asking because that post is just wrong: On August 06 2015 23:03 ruXxar wrote: Problem I have with your strategy is that lurking is a nebulous term for people of low post activity. Maybe you define lurker differently from me, but lynching people with post count as the only metric without looking at the content if their posts is stupid. 1 - it's clear that by "lurker" igrok means "no content people" 2 - whatever the definition is, ruxxar said he was OK lynching lurker and suddendly he's not anymore | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
So I need opinions about other people. | ||
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