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iGrok
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Damdred
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iGrok
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On August 06 2015 23:09 rsoultin wrote: {iGrok's} saying my posting is useless, but he won't ask me what i mean on the posts he doesn't understand others are clearly finding my pushes and points, but he's not, yet he doesn't have the curiosity to see what he is that he's missing? or prove to them that they're wrong and he's right and my posts really are nothing but fluff? Obvious bullshit. | ||
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Rels
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On August 06 2015 23:13 iGrok wrote: @rels: Couldn't sleep, sunburn's a bitch. Pushing through thanks to caffeine. I'm taking care of business (replying to people) first. You do realize I said that 4 hours ago, right? Sorry about your pain. But realize that 95% of the things you did was not scumhunting: you put a policy in place, you coached a little bit, you asked questions. So for now I think you're suspicious, you still have time to do other things, I'll re-evaluate when you do. | ||
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Damdred
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Rels
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On August 06 2015 23:23 Damdred wrote: Rels I answered your shining question please don't ignore it. If you're talking about this: On August 06 2015 23:08 Damdred wrote: Everyone will hate my shining read but it is right. It all deals with the emotional responses he shows and the tone in which he responds in the thread plus how he does his posts a bit. For example his first real post is horrid even for shining, and it made me want to scum read him. But his other posts that are somewhat catch up posts with reads and a response to me make me go yep this is town shining. This is really vague but shining can't really be read content wise early even if he says smart things he's always going to sound super robotic in his posts instead of more free. He can't change his scum tone shrig I asked what you thought about rayn's case. It was rayn who asked why Shining was town. But OK, I think you're town so your Shining townread holds weight for me. I can't evaluate it though 'cause it's based on personnal feelings. If you feel there are better lynches today that will influence me. | ||
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iGrok
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I play more mechanically than most people. I'm not going to be nice and cutesy, and I'm going to take the by-GOD truth and run with it. Let me very clearly explain my initial actions: I see that the setup is Mountainous (all-vanilla). This implies that Day 1 has absolutely no information to base any cases off of. In non-mountainous games, at least one townie has information that others don't - their power role. This further implies that only Mafia have non-public information. Together, these mean that mafia can be found by analyzing their actions between other people, comparing how they act to how people with 0 information would likely act. In order for this strategy to work, all players need high activity, so that their interactions with each other can be analyzed. This implies that lurking is actively anti-town Day 1. This implies that pressuring lurkers is pro-town. This implies that a Lynch-All-Lurkers policy (which iirc TLMafia desperately needs anyways) is pro-town. A LAL policy will pressure lurkers into posting, or will eliminate them. Town lurkers who are posting will do one of two things: A) Come up with a read and reasoning, even if the reasoning is bad. This lets us establish relationships, and is good for town. B) Sheep someone else's reads because they are lazy. This is bad town play, and deserves a lynch. Scum lurkers who are posting will do one or more of the following four things: A) Come up with a read and reasoning, even if the reasoning is bad. This lets us establish relationships, and is good for town. B) Sheep someone else's reads because they are lazy. This is bad scum play, and deserves a lynch. C) Post fluff. Fluff is a post that contributes nothing to scumhunting/relationship building, or actively detracts from those. D) Lie about their activities outside of the game. A townie has no reason to mislead town about their activity levels. Tina sheeped Ruxxar's reads, posted fluff, and lied about her activity. Does it sound stupid? Petty? Then you need to play better. This is why I'm still voting on Tina, and I will continue to as long as the remaining lurkers wake up and start posting like good townies. There are other people who did some combination of things, but Tina was the biggest offender. Tina's probably 50% likely to be mafia, and that's the best possible read so far in the game. There isn't enough activity for good scumreads yet. We have 3 mislynches this game. I'm more than happy to use one early to kill a null-read lurker over a weak scumread, but right now Tina's the scummiest read assuming all the lurkers start posting. We'll get more information from the scummy player than the null one, and maybe we'll even hit a scum lurker. Again, if that sounds stupid/scummy/anti-town, play better. If anything, I've strayed too far from the Lynch-all-Lurkers plan because of Tina's reaction, and I need to go harder on the lurkers. | ||
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rsoultin
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On August 06 2015 23:20 iGrok wrote: To post this here, what you just said was: Obvious bullshit. that's because the reasons were already in the thread thus the "reading is a skill ^^" post if you don't understand what i was saying about them, say so. i'm not going to sit here and repeat myself half a dozen times because you can't be bothered to read speaking of which, did you find what i was talking about while paraphrasing my stuff, cause you should have lol >< | ||
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rsoultin
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On August 06 2015 23:29 iGrok wrote: @Rels: I play more mechanically than most people. I'm not going to be nice and cutesy, and I'm going to take the by-GOD truth and run with it. Let me very clearly explain my initial actions: I see that the setup is Mountainous (all-vanilla). This implies that Day 1 has absolutely no information to base any cases off of. In non-mountainous games, at least one townie has information that others don't - their power role. This further implies that only Mafia have non-public information. Together, these mean that mafia can be found by analyzing their actions between other people, comparing how they act to how people with 0 information would likely act. In order for this strategy to work, all players need high activity, so that their interactions with each other can be analyzed. This implies that lurking is actively anti-town Day 1. This implies that pressuring lurkers is pro-town. This implies that a Lynch-All-Lurkers policy (which iirc TLMafia desperately needs anyways) is pro-town. A LAL policy will pressure lurkers into posting, or will eliminate them. Town lurkers who are posting will do one of two things: A) Come up with a read and reasoning, even if the reasoning is bad. This lets us establish relationships, and is good for town. B) Sheep someone else's reads because they are lazy. This is bad town play, and deserves a lynch. Scum lurkers who are posting will do one or more of the following four things: A) Come up with a read and reasoning, even if the reasoning is bad. This lets us establish relationships, and is good for town. B) Sheep someone else's reads because they are lazy. This is bad scum play, and deserves a lynch. C) Post fluff. Fluff is a post that contributes nothing to scumhunting/relationship building, or actively detracts from those. D) Lie about their activities outside of the game. A townie has no reason to mislead town about their activity levels. Tina sheeped Ruxxar's reads, posted fluff, and lied about her activity. Does it sound stupid? Petty? Then you need to play better. This is why I'm still voting on Tina, and I will continue to as long as the remaining lurkers wake up and start posting like good townies. There are other people who did some combination of things, but Tina was the biggest offender. Tina's probably 50% likely to be mafia, and that's the best possible read so far in the game. There isn't enough activity for good scumreads yet. We have 3 mislynches this game. I'm more than happy to use one early to kill a null-read lurker over a weak scumread, but right now Tina's the scummiest read assuming all the lurkers start posting. We'll get more information from the scummy player than the null one, and maybe we'll even hit a scum lurker. Again, if that sounds stupid/scummy/anti-town, play better. If anything, I've strayed too far from the Lynch-all-Lurkers plan because of Tina's reaction, and I need to go harder on the lurkers. ye you're awful we get it what are your reads on anyone else? | ||
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Damdred
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Rels
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Other than that, I agree 100% on pressuring lurkers (and in all games btw, not especially this one). What I (and others) are saying is that if you only do that for the whole day, you could be a scum trying to appear active when actually he's just pushing a policy. TLDR I suscribe to your policy of lynching lurker. You will be considered lurker if all you do is pushing LAL policy. | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
tunneling me is lovely and all, but people are not going to be content with just that one read you've managed to post quite a bit and still say nothing new this isn't helping with those of us uncertain about your alignment | ||
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Rels
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On August 06 2015 23:32 Damdred wrote: I don't think rayns case makes shining scum rels and he's wrong. You must ask yourself how good am I at finding town reads on people So you're saying that knowing Shining's meta, it's normal that: - he said he was going to reread the game to check FF weird behaviour - in his post after reread he doesn't mention FF | ||
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Damdred
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Rels
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On August 06 2015 23:40 Damdred wrote: Totally normal honestly OK. Of course I can only believe you, but as I think you're town it's good. Plus, if Shining is town and this is false, that means you're mafia and he will say it. | ||
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iGrok
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There's a really interesting 3-person circle, anyone else found it yet? | ||
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Damdred
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Anyway lets say shining flips town and Edgar wasn't in game who then rels | ||
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Damdred
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Rels
France13467 Posts
On August 06 2015 23:47 Damdred wrote: Shining will probably come in and say I'm scum anyway cause he can't read me ^^. Anyway lets say shining flips town and Edgar wasn't in game who then rels ruxxar Then AFK people: yamato scott | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
not lynching: damdy ruxx rayn rels ksc shining yes those are in order of relative certainty preferred lynch currently is edgar | ||
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