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On July 19 2015 18:03 aRyuujin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2015 17:55 Elentos wrote:On July 19 2015 17:51 aRyuujin wrote:On July 19 2015 17:30 dazed25 wrote:On July 19 2015 17:29 Sakkreth wrote:
Best protoss player ?
I think in his current form he's the best player overall, not just protoss. soO and Inno are a bit better currently I think inno is not even in the same league, but soo, maru, rain, dream, and even parting (in that order) are all up there right now. INno has beaten Classic in a series this month unlike most players on your list. His recent results are ridiculous. To say they aren't in the same league is absurd. what sort of ridiculous results are you talking about? 2-1 classic in online qualifers? O DAM HOT STUFF if you wanna include that quality of games, he lost to just a few days after that in leifeng, which is an actual tournament. All we've seen so far from him has been wrecking snute and keen, which honestly says almost nothing. I'm not denying that he looks good (he certainly did in gamescom qualifiers), but you can't objectively say that his results make him a contender for current best player
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/IEM_Season_X_-_gamescom/Asian_Final_Qualifier
In the same tournament where Rain & Dream got rekt
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On July 19 2015 18:15 Inflicted wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2015 18:03 aRyuujin wrote:On July 19 2015 17:55 Elentos wrote:On July 19 2015 17:51 aRyuujin wrote:On July 19 2015 17:30 dazed25 wrote:On July 19 2015 17:29 Sakkreth wrote:
Best protoss player ?
I think in his current form he's the best player overall, not just protoss. soO and Inno are a bit better currently I think inno is not even in the same league, but soo, maru, rain, dream, and even parting (in that order) are all up there right now. INno has beaten Classic in a series this month unlike most players on your list. His recent results are ridiculous. To say they aren't in the same league is absurd. what sort of ridiculous results are you talking about? 2-1 classic in online qualifers? O DAM HOT STUFF if you wanna include that quality of games, he lost to just a few days after that in leifeng, which is an actual tournament. All we've seen so far from him has been wrecking snute and keen, which honestly says almost nothing. I'm not denying that he looks good (he certainly did in gamescom qualifiers), but you can't objectively say that his results make him a contender for current best player http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/IEM_Season_X_-_gamescom/Asian_Final_QualifierIn the same tournament where Rain & Dream got rekt
like i said he looked good in online qualifers (I even already mentioned gamescom!).
But if you honestly think him winning this indicates that he's the best player in the world, or that the reigning gsl champion and current back to back ssl finalist shouldn't be in contention for that title, then* i guess we just have significantly different understanding of what it means to be the best player in the world.
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On July 19 2015 18:19 aRyuujin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2015 18:15 Inflicted wrote:On July 19 2015 18:03 aRyuujin wrote:On July 19 2015 17:55 Elentos wrote:On July 19 2015 17:51 aRyuujin wrote:On July 19 2015 17:30 dazed25 wrote:On July 19 2015 17:29 Sakkreth wrote:
Best protoss player ?
I think in his current form he's the best player overall, not just protoss. soO and Inno are a bit better currently I think inno is not even in the same league, but soo, maru, rain, dream, and even parting (in that order) are all up there right now. INno has beaten Classic in a series this month unlike most players on your list. His recent results are ridiculous. To say they aren't in the same league is absurd. what sort of ridiculous results are you talking about? 2-1 classic in online qualifers? O DAM HOT STUFF if you wanna include that quality of games, he lost to just a few days after that in leifeng, which is an actual tournament. All we've seen so far from him has been wrecking snute and keen, which honestly says almost nothing. I'm not denying that he looks good (he certainly did in gamescom qualifiers), but you can't objectively say that his results make him a contender for current best player http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/IEM_Season_X_-_gamescom/Asian_Final_QualifierIn the same tournament where Rain & Dream got rekt like i said he looked good in online qualifers (I even already mentioned gamescom!). But if you honestly think him winning this indicates that he's the best player in the world, or that the reigning gsl champion and current back to back ssl finalist shouldn't be in contention for that title, then* i guess we just have significantly different understanding of what it means to be the best player in the world.
I don't think he's better than Classic atm, but how is he not even in the same league when he's performed equally or better than the players you listed
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On July 19 2015 18:24 Inflicted wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2015 18:19 aRyuujin wrote:On July 19 2015 18:15 Inflicted wrote:On July 19 2015 18:03 aRyuujin wrote:On July 19 2015 17:55 Elentos wrote:On July 19 2015 17:51 aRyuujin wrote:On July 19 2015 17:30 dazed25 wrote:On July 19 2015 17:29 Sakkreth wrote:
Best protoss player ?
I think in his current form he's the best player overall, not just protoss. soO and Inno are a bit better currently I think inno is not even in the same league, but soo, maru, rain, dream, and even parting (in that order) are all up there right now. INno has beaten Classic in a series this month unlike most players on your list. His recent results are ridiculous. To say they aren't in the same league is absurd. what sort of ridiculous results are you talking about? 2-1 classic in online qualifers? O DAM HOT STUFF if you wanna include that quality of games, he lost to just a few days after that in leifeng, which is an actual tournament. All we've seen so far from him has been wrecking snute and keen, which honestly says almost nothing. I'm not denying that he looks good (he certainly did in gamescom qualifiers), but you can't objectively say that his results make him a contender for current best player http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/IEM_Season_X_-_gamescom/Asian_Final_QualifierIn the same tournament where Rain & Dream got rekt like i said he looked good in online qualifers (I even already mentioned gamescom!). But if you honestly think him winning this indicates that he's the best player in the world, or that the reigning gsl champion and current back to back ssl finalist shouldn't be in contention for that title, then* i guess we just have significantly different understanding of what it means to be the best player in the world. I don't think he's better than Classic atm, but how is he not even in the same league when he's performed equally or better than the players you listed
The players I listed have all had significant accomplishments in live competition. Innovation has barely competed.
Soo- Won the Kespa cup.
Maru - by far best player in proleague
Classic - Current IEM + SSL Champion.
Rain - current gsl champ
Dream - reigning back to back SSL finalist, rising star
innovation - won an online qualifer. beat keen in code a.
again- not saying he's playing badly. but he can't possibly be in the same league as these players when he hasn't achieved anything close to them recently. Let him win gamescom, or a gsl, and then we'll add him to the convo 
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On July 19 2015 18:28 aRyuujin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2015 18:24 Inflicted wrote:On July 19 2015 18:19 aRyuujin wrote:On July 19 2015 18:15 Inflicted wrote:On July 19 2015 18:03 aRyuujin wrote:On July 19 2015 17:55 Elentos wrote:On July 19 2015 17:51 aRyuujin wrote:On July 19 2015 17:30 dazed25 wrote:On July 19 2015 17:29 Sakkreth wrote:
Best protoss player ?
I think in his current form he's the best player overall, not just protoss. soO and Inno are a bit better currently I think inno is not even in the same league, but soo, maru, rain, dream, and even parting (in that order) are all up there right now. INno has beaten Classic in a series this month unlike most players on your list. His recent results are ridiculous. To say they aren't in the same league is absurd. what sort of ridiculous results are you talking about? 2-1 classic in online qualifers? O DAM HOT STUFF if you wanna include that quality of games, he lost to just a few days after that in leifeng, which is an actual tournament. All we've seen so far from him has been wrecking snute and keen, which honestly says almost nothing. I'm not denying that he looks good (he certainly did in gamescom qualifiers), but you can't objectively say that his results make him a contender for current best player http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/IEM_Season_X_-_gamescom/Asian_Final_QualifierIn the same tournament where Rain & Dream got rekt like i said he looked good in online qualifers (I even already mentioned gamescom!). But if you honestly think him winning this indicates that he's the best player in the world, or that the reigning gsl champion and current back to back ssl finalist shouldn't be in contention for that title, then* i guess we just have significantly different understanding of what it means to be the best player in the world. I don't think he's better than Classic atm, but how is he not even in the same league when he's performed equally or better than the players you listed The players I listed have all had significant accomplishments in live competition. Innovation has barely competed. Soo- Won the Kespa cup. Maru - by far best player in proleague Classic - Current IEM + SSL Champion. Rain - current gsl champ Dream - reigning back to back SSL finalist, rising star innovation - won an online qualifer. beat keen in code a. again- not saying he's playing badly. but he can't possibly be in the same league as these players when he hasn't achieved anything close to them recently. Let him win gamescom, or a gsl, and then we'll add him to the convo
So he's able to beat the players you list, and players who beat the players you listed, but he can't be in the same league because he hasn't won anything recently? Yeah,
On July 19 2015 18:19 aRyuujin wrote:
we just have significantly different understanding of what it means to be the best player in the world.
about sums it up then.
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On July 19 2015 18:37 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2015 18:28 aRyuujin wrote:On July 19 2015 18:24 Inflicted wrote:On July 19 2015 18:19 aRyuujin wrote:On July 19 2015 18:15 Inflicted wrote:On July 19 2015 18:03 aRyuujin wrote:On July 19 2015 17:55 Elentos wrote:On July 19 2015 17:51 aRyuujin wrote:On July 19 2015 17:30 dazed25 wrote:On July 19 2015 17:29 Sakkreth wrote:
Best protoss player ?
I think in his current form he's the best player overall, not just protoss. soO and Inno are a bit better currently I think inno is not even in the same league, but soo, maru, rain, dream, and even parting (in that order) are all up there right now. INno has beaten Classic in a series this month unlike most players on your list. His recent results are ridiculous. To say they aren't in the same league is absurd. what sort of ridiculous results are you talking about? 2-1 classic in online qualifers? O DAM HOT STUFF if you wanna include that quality of games, he lost to just a few days after that in leifeng, which is an actual tournament. All we've seen so far from him has been wrecking snute and keen, which honestly says almost nothing. I'm not denying that he looks good (he certainly did in gamescom qualifiers), but you can't objectively say that his results make him a contender for current best player http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/IEM_Season_X_-_gamescom/Asian_Final_QualifierIn the same tournament where Rain & Dream got rekt like i said he looked good in online qualifers (I even already mentioned gamescom!). But if you honestly think him winning this indicates that he's the best player in the world, or that the reigning gsl champion and current back to back ssl finalist shouldn't be in contention for that title, then* i guess we just have significantly different understanding of what it means to be the best player in the world. I don't think he's better than Classic atm, but how is he not even in the same league when he's performed equally or better than the players you listed The players I listed have all had significant accomplishments in live competition. Innovation has barely competed. Soo- Won the Kespa cup. Maru - by far best player in proleague Classic - Current IEM + SSL Champion. Rain - current gsl champ Dream - reigning back to back SSL finalist, rising star innovation - won an online qualifer. beat keen in code a. again- not saying he's playing badly. but he can't possibly be in the same league as these players when he hasn't achieved anything close to them recently. Let him win gamescom, or a gsl, and then we'll add him to the convo So he's able to beat the players you list, and players who beat the players you listed, but he can't be in the same league because he hasn't won anything recently? Yeah, Show nested quote +On July 19 2015 18:19 aRyuujin wrote:
we just have significantly different understanding of what it means to be the best player in the world. about sums it up then.
I'd say he needs to beat those players in a tournament, and not an online qualifier, for it to count 
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[QUOTE]On July 19 2015 18:28 aRyuujin wrote:
[QUOTE]On July 19 2015 18:24 Inflicted wrote:
[QUOTE]On July 19 2015 18:19 aRyuujin wrote:
[QUOTE]On July 19 2015 18:15 Inflicted wrote:
[QUOTE]On July 19 2015 18:03 aRyuujin wrote:
[QUOTE]On July 19 2015 17:55 Elentos wrote:
[QUOTE]On July 19 2015 17:51 aRyuujin wrote:
[QUOTE]On July 19 2015 17:30 dazed25 wrote:
[QUOTE]On July 19 2015 17:29 Sakkreth wrote:
Best protoss player ?
I think in his current form he's the best player overall, not just protoss.[/QUOTE]
soO and Inno are a bit better currently I think[/QUOTE]
inno is not even in the same league, but soo, maru, rain, dream, and even parting (in that order) are all up there right now. [/QUOTE]
innovation - won an online qualifer. beat keen in code a.
again- not saying he's playing badly. but he can't possibly be in the same league as these players when he hasn't achieved anything close to them recently. Let him win gamescom, or a gsl, and then we'll add him to the convo
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i like innovation but really ? ; no long ago he sucked so hard now win online qualifier the best in the world is back. lol
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TY disappoints yet again 
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On July 19 2015 18:57 lastride wrote:TY disappoints yet again
Yeah, was so disappointed he didn't beat the guy with a 97% winrate in series and 87% winrate in games in 3 good games, 2 of which were rather close.
Obviously he has to continue the current trend of "Korean Terrans don't win anything".
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On July 19 2015 18:59 Elentos wrote:Yeah, was so disappointed he didn't beat the guy with a 97% winrate in series and 87% winrate in games in 3 good games, 2 of which were rather close. Obviously he has to continue the current trend of "Korean Terrans don't win anything".
Maru- dominating proleague
Flash - Semis in Kespa cup
do i really need to mention dream again?
hell even byun has won like 4 leifeng cups this month
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On July 19 2015 17:51 aRyuujin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2015 17:30 dazed25 wrote:On July 19 2015 17:29 Sakkreth wrote:
Best protoss player ?
I think in his current form he's the best player overall, not just protoss. soO and Inno are a bit better currently I think inno is not even in the same league, but soo, maru, rain, dream, and even parting (in that order) are all up there right now.
fair enough. i didn't really want to say inno is in the best player conversation but i meant super recent form where he's looked better than classic. soO is absolutely dominant and has the results to show for it.
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On July 19 2015 19:09 aRyuujin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2015 18:59 Elentos wrote:On July 19 2015 18:57 lastride wrote:TY disappoints yet again Yeah, was so disappointed he didn't beat the guy with a 97% winrate in series and 87% winrate in games in 3 good games, 2 of which were rather close. Obviously he has to continue the current trend of "Korean Terrans don't win anything". Maru- dominating proleague Flash - Semis in Kespa cup do i really need to mention dream again? hell even byun has won like 4 leifeng cups this month
And apparently winning 4 Leifeng Cups against mostly Chinese and low level Koreans justifies top 10 on Aligulac.
Seriously, Proleague is nice and all but not an individual tournament. Semis are great especially for Flash but it falls under definition of "not winning anything", as does everything Dream has done in his career. The only tournament a Korean Terran (except WCS) has won is SSL and the finals were a TvT. Korean Terrans are choking in individual leagues. A lot. Or I guess I should specify; it's KeSPA Terrans. Amount of premier tournaments won by KeSPA Terrans 2014/2015 combined? 3. Korean Terrans outside of KeSPA? 11. Even considering the fact that the top KeSPA Terrans stay inside of Korea for most of the year, that's pretty clear underachieving.
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Fell asleep sometime during the hero / classic match. Woo Hoo for rebroadcasts.
edit: And for fucks sake why did I check twitter? Stupid me, now I know who won
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Watching herO vs Classic atm. Man PvP is great.
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nice the rebroadcast is running
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PvP Mirror Best Mirror!
Also yay Classic
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