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United Kingdom30774 Posts
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Canada11355 Posts
To me it seems like something that's at the top of a slippery slope. People start posting hidden messages every game so someone gets the bright idea to write a greasemonkey script that highlights all BBCODE links or adds a button to change the post to plain text/code tag format.
It's just something that adds extra tedium to an already tedious game. I'm not sure I'd ban them in games I host though because now that it's this big issue, the only people I can see actively looking for hidden claims will be mafia.
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
I'm just saying, hosting games requires reading every post in the game, including hidden content in said posts (if such content is allowed), and I categorically refuse to hit "quote" on every post. I've got other things to do, and hosting is already a big time sink as it is without such a ridiculous contrivance.
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Canada11355 Posts
On June 24 2015 10:31 Blazinghand wrote:
I'm just saying, hosting games requires reading every post in the game, including hidden content in said posts (if such content is allowed), and I categorically refuse to hit "quote" on every post. I've got other things to do, and hosting is already a big time sink as it is without such a ridiculous contrivance.
K, you convinced me.
No hidden BBcode messages in fecalfeast games
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
I think this (hiding messages in BBCode) should be banned for reasons stated already. Though I think kita and Palmar have brought up other excellent points that might be worth discussing (compiled here, ordered by similarity):
- Can you post a picture that contains a message in 2pt font if you zoom in?
- Using out of game content (images, videos) that may be subject to change
- Can you hide a message within a paragraph of text?
- Can you quote some song lyrics where the next passage contains the message that you'll refer to?
- Can you post a random phrase like "I'm like Sirius Black" and a few days later point out that the same actor portrayed Detective Gordon?
- Spreadsheets that can be posted in the thread as "proof" you've been doing something
- Using out of game information to "prove" out of game actions (look at these boxes, I'm really moving)
- Abusing own meta to the point where you stop trying to win in some situations (town seal / promises)
- Speaking in code that only part of the game is likely to understand (I think geript/wos did this?)
For items 1-2, I don't think they should be allowed for similar reasons as the BBCode (though obviously number 2 is a little more vague and there's probably grey area). But if the content is clearly "out of game" then it shouldn't be allowed at all.
For item 3, I think this is okay because it's fairly easy to makeup. You can easily enough go through your previous posts, take random letters just because and say it's a message. I don't feel that this is hard enough where it ruins the fun. I don't remember who, but a while ago there was someone who was always posting a message that he was the cop no matter what role he was (usually using the first three letters of his first three posts, or first three sentences, etc.) Took zero effort and was always available if needed.
Just as well, if we prohibit hidden messages in text then it gets very hard to differentiate between a hidden message a softing a role. Is a player who is trying to allude that they might be the cop so you shouldn't pressure them using a hidden message? I think we can all agree that'd be silly, but it's tough to firmly say that's soooo different from leaving a hidden message.
I don't have an issue with items 4-5 as they are something that's easily google-able. I don't think there's hidden message implications because everyone here (presumably) knows how to use a web browser.
For items 6 and 7, I think there needs to be an important distinction between "out of game" and "in game" information. Anything "out of game" should not be used at all. The example here of 'look at these boxes, I'm moving' shouldn't have any impact on what the player is doing and why they might be mafia. If this is so great of a concern then the player should talk to the host about it first. If a player isn't posting very much, that's his prerogative and outside your control, and probably his fault if he gets killed for it. And while it is easy enough to fake a picture like this (we live in an age where you can take a pic with your phone and have it on imgur in less than a minute) if it does not pertain to information in the game then it shouldn't be used. (I know there's probably some grey area here).
The spreadsheet thing is alright to do. Some people do that and some don't. What's the different between someone posting a spreadsheet and saying "look this is what I did" and someone just typing it all out in a post? The same information is getting across. The spreadsheet would qualify as "in game" information.
Item 8 is probably against the rules in most situations: (from the model OP)
7. Getting yourself modkilled to help your team. Your non-majority-decided death may not be used as a bargaining chip.
...
9. Betting items outside of the game in exchange for in-game benefits
Item 9 I don't know about. It's probably okay but also the most grey out of the list in my opinion. People here are chummy and sometimes that comes out in posts, which is totally okay. But the counter argument of 'what if two people start speaking in Russian and nobody knows what they are saying' is difficult to refute. I'd like to hear what people think about this.
Would love to hear what others think about these items.
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
FWIW the "look at these boxes i'm moving" was only ever used by me as a lie. I think someone did once post photos of plane tickets though. hah.
they were real
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On June 24 2015 16:31 Foolishness wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I think this (hiding messages in BBCode) should be banned for reasons stated already. Though I think kita and Palmar have brought up other excellent points that might be worth discussing (compiled here, ordered by similarity): - Can you post a picture that contains a message in 2pt font if you zoom in?
- Using out of game content (images, videos) that may be subject to change
- Can you hide a message within a paragraph of text?
- Can you quote some song lyrics where the next passage contains the message that you'll refer to?
- Can you post a random phrase like "I'm like Sirius Black" and a few days later point out that the same actor portrayed Detective Gordon?
- Spreadsheets that can be posted in the thread as "proof" you've been doing something
- Using out of game information to "prove" out of game actions (look at these boxes, I'm really moving)
- Abusing own meta to the point where you stop trying to win in some situations (town seal / promises)
- Speaking in code that only part of the game is likely to understand (I think geript/wos did this?)
For items 1-2, I don't think they should be allowed for similar reasons as the BBCode (though obviously number 2 is a little more vague and there's probably grey area). But if the content is clearly "out of game" then it shouldn't be allowed at all. For item 3, I think this is okay because it's fairly easy to makeup. You can easily enough go through your previous posts, take random letters just because and say it's a message. I don't feel that this is hard enough where it ruins the fun. I don't remember who, but a while ago there was someone who was always posting a message that he was the cop no matter what role he was (usually using the first three letters of his first three posts, or first three sentences, etc.) Took zero effort and was always available if needed. Just as well, if we prohibit hidden messages in text then it gets very hard to differentiate between a hidden message a softing a role. Is a player who is trying to allude that they might be the cop so you shouldn't pressure them using a hidden message? I think we can all agree that'd be silly, but it's tough to firmly say that's soooo different from leaving a hidden message. I don't have an issue with items 4-5 as they are something that's easily google-able. I don't think there's hidden message implications because everyone here (presumably) knows how to use a web browser. For items 6 and 7, I think there needs to be an important distinction between "out of game" and "in game" information. Anything "out of game" should not be used at all. The example here of 'look at these boxes, I'm moving' shouldn't have any impact on what the player is doing and why they might be mafia. If this is so great of a concern then the player should talk to the host about it first. If a player isn't posting very much, that's his prerogative and outside your control, and probably his fault if he gets killed for it. And while it is easy enough to fake a picture like this (we live in an age where you can take a pic with your phone and have it on imgur in less than a minute) if it does not pertain to information in the game then it shouldn't be used. (I know there's probably some grey area here). The spreadsheet thing is alright to do. Some people do that and some don't. What's the different between someone posting a spreadsheet and saying "look this is what I did" and someone just typing it all out in a post? The same information is getting across. The spreadsheet would qualify as "in game" information. Item 8 is probably against the rules in most situations: (from the model OP) 7. Getting yourself modkilled to help your team. Your non-majority-decided death may not be used as a bargaining chip. ... 9. Betting items outside of the game in exchange for in-game benefits Item 9 I don't know about. It's probably okay but also the most grey out of the list in my opinion. People here are chummy and sometimes that comes out in posts, which is totally okay. But the counter argument of 'what if two people start speaking in Russian and nobody knows what they are saying' is difficult to refute. I'd like to hear what people think about this. Would love to hear what others think about these items.
I agree with everything!
Except this point:
On June 24 2015 16:31 Foolishness wrote:
The spreadsheet thing is alright to do. Some people do that and some don't. What's the different between someone posting a spreadsheet and saying "look this is what I did" and someone just typing it all out in a post? The same information is getting across. The spreadsheet would qualify as "in game" information.
The content of a online spreeadsheet can change, so if we don't allow edits of posts, I don't know why online spreadsheet would be accepted. A screenshot of it would be alright though.
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Canada11355 Posts
On June 24 2015 16:43 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2015 16:31 Foolishness wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I think this (hiding messages in BBCode) should be banned for reasons stated already. Though I think kita and Palmar have brought up other excellent points that might be worth discussing (compiled here, ordered by similarity): - Can you post a picture that contains a message in 2pt font if you zoom in?
- Using out of game content (images, videos) that may be subject to change
- Can you hide a message within a paragraph of text?
- Can you quote some song lyrics where the next passage contains the message that you'll refer to?
- Can you post a random phrase like "I'm like Sirius Black" and a few days later point out that the same actor portrayed Detective Gordon?
- Spreadsheets that can be posted in the thread as "proof" you've been doing something
- Using out of game information to "prove" out of game actions (look at these boxes, I'm really moving)
- Abusing own meta to the point where you stop trying to win in some situations (town seal / promises)
- Speaking in code that only part of the game is likely to understand (I think geript/wos did this?)
For items 1-2, I don't think they should be allowed for similar reasons as the BBCode (though obviously number 2 is a little more vague and there's probably grey area). But if the content is clearly "out of game" then it shouldn't be allowed at all. For item 3, I think this is okay because it's fairly easy to makeup. You can easily enough go through your previous posts, take random letters just because and say it's a message. I don't feel that this is hard enough where it ruins the fun. I don't remember who, but a while ago there was someone who was always posting a message that he was the cop no matter what role he was (usually using the first three letters of his first three posts, or first three sentences, etc.) Took zero effort and was always available if needed. Just as well, if we prohibit hidden messages in text then it gets very hard to differentiate between a hidden message a softing a role. Is a player who is trying to allude that they might be the cop so you shouldn't pressure them using a hidden message? I think we can all agree that'd be silly, but it's tough to firmly say that's soooo different from leaving a hidden message. I don't have an issue with items 4-5 as they are something that's easily google-able. I don't think there's hidden message implications because everyone here (presumably) knows how to use a web browser. For items 6 and 7, I think there needs to be an important distinction between "out of game" and "in game" information. Anything "out of game" should not be used at all. The example here of 'look at these boxes, I'm moving' shouldn't have any impact on what the player is doing and why they might be mafia. If this is so great of a concern then the player should talk to the host about it first. If a player isn't posting very much, that's his prerogative and outside your control, and probably his fault if he gets killed for it. And while it is easy enough to fake a picture like this (we live in an age where you can take a pic with your phone and have it on imgur in less than a minute) if it does not pertain to information in the game then it shouldn't be used. (I know there's probably some grey area here). The spreadsheet thing is alright to do. Some people do that and some don't. What's the different between someone posting a spreadsheet and saying "look this is what I did" and someone just typing it all out in a post? The same information is getting across. The spreadsheet would qualify as "in game" information. Item 8 is probably against the rules in most situations: (from the model OP) 7. Getting yourself modkilled to help your team. Your non-majority-decided death may not be used as a bargaining chip. ... 9. Betting items outside of the game in exchange for in-game benefits Item 9 I don't know about. It's probably okay but also the most grey out of the list in my opinion. People here are chummy and sometimes that comes out in posts, which is totally okay. But the counter argument of 'what if two people start speaking in Russian and nobody knows what they are saying' is difficult to refute. I'd like to hear what people think about this. Would love to hear what others think about these items. I agree with everything! Except this point: Show nested quote +On June 24 2015 16:31 Foolishness wrote:
The spreadsheet thing is alright to do. Some people do that and some don't. What's the different between someone posting a spreadsheet and saying "look this is what I did" and someone just typing it all out in a post? The same information is getting across. The spreadsheet would qualify as "in game" information. The content of a online spreeadsheet can change, so if we don't allow edits of posts, I don't know why online spreadsheet would be accepted. A screenshot of it would be alright though.
I would agree that linking directly to the spreadsheet is not okay. It essentially becomes out of thread communication at that point.
One thing that I hadn't thought of before is linking to a picture that you later change. Most of the time, especially if you use imgur, this isn't an issue but if I were to host an image on a server I control and then change that image later, while keeping the filename the same, would that not count as editing? I can't imagine it's been an issue before but the possibility is there. The question is if the possibility of abuse warrants a regulation of image hosting providers.
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On June 24 2015 17:00 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2015 16:43 Rels wrote:On June 24 2015 16:31 Foolishness wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I think this (hiding messages in BBCode) should be banned for reasons stated already. Though I think kita and Palmar have brought up other excellent points that might be worth discussing (compiled here, ordered by similarity): - Can you post a picture that contains a message in 2pt font if you zoom in?
- Using out of game content (images, videos) that may be subject to change
- Can you hide a message within a paragraph of text?
- Can you quote some song lyrics where the next passage contains the message that you'll refer to?
- Can you post a random phrase like "I'm like Sirius Black" and a few days later point out that the same actor portrayed Detective Gordon?
- Spreadsheets that can be posted in the thread as "proof" you've been doing something
- Using out of game information to "prove" out of game actions (look at these boxes, I'm really moving)
- Abusing own meta to the point where you stop trying to win in some situations (town seal / promises)
- Speaking in code that only part of the game is likely to understand (I think geript/wos did this?)
For items 1-2, I don't think they should be allowed for similar reasons as the BBCode (though obviously number 2 is a little more vague and there's probably grey area). But if the content is clearly "out of game" then it shouldn't be allowed at all. For item 3, I think this is okay because it's fairly easy to makeup. You can easily enough go through your previous posts, take random letters just because and say it's a message. I don't feel that this is hard enough where it ruins the fun. I don't remember who, but a while ago there was someone who was always posting a message that he was the cop no matter what role he was (usually using the first three letters of his first three posts, or first three sentences, etc.) Took zero effort and was always available if needed. Just as well, if we prohibit hidden messages in text then it gets very hard to differentiate between a hidden message a softing a role. Is a player who is trying to allude that they might be the cop so you shouldn't pressure them using a hidden message? I think we can all agree that'd be silly, but it's tough to firmly say that's soooo different from leaving a hidden message. I don't have an issue with items 4-5 as they are something that's easily google-able. I don't think there's hidden message implications because everyone here (presumably) knows how to use a web browser. For items 6 and 7, I think there needs to be an important distinction between "out of game" and "in game" information. Anything "out of game" should not be used at all. The example here of 'look at these boxes, I'm moving' shouldn't have any impact on what the player is doing and why they might be mafia. If this is so great of a concern then the player should talk to the host about it first. If a player isn't posting very much, that's his prerogative and outside your control, and probably his fault if he gets killed for it. And while it is easy enough to fake a picture like this (we live in an age where you can take a pic with your phone and have it on imgur in less than a minute) if it does not pertain to information in the game then it shouldn't be used. (I know there's probably some grey area here). The spreadsheet thing is alright to do. Some people do that and some don't. What's the different between someone posting a spreadsheet and saying "look this is what I did" and someone just typing it all out in a post? The same information is getting across. The spreadsheet would qualify as "in game" information. Item 8 is probably against the rules in most situations: (from the model OP) 7. Getting yourself modkilled to help your team. Your non-majority-decided death may not be used as a bargaining chip. ... 9. Betting items outside of the game in exchange for in-game benefits Item 9 I don't know about. It's probably okay but also the most grey out of the list in my opinion. People here are chummy and sometimes that comes out in posts, which is totally okay. But the counter argument of 'what if two people start speaking in Russian and nobody knows what they are saying' is difficult to refute. I'd like to hear what people think about this. Would love to hear what others think about these items. I agree with everything! Except this point: On June 24 2015 16:31 Foolishness wrote:
The spreadsheet thing is alright to do. Some people do that and some don't. What's the different between someone posting a spreadsheet and saying "look this is what I did" and someone just typing it all out in a post? The same information is getting across. The spreadsheet would qualify as "in game" information. The content of a online spreeadsheet can change, so if we don't allow edits of posts, I don't know why online spreadsheet would be accepted. A screenshot of it would be alright though. I would agree that linking directly to the spreadsheet is not okay. It essentially becomes out of thread communication at that point. One thing that I hadn't thought of before is linking to a picture that you later change. Most of the time, especially if you use imgur, this isn't an issue but if I were to host an image on a server I control and then change that image later, while keeping the filename the same, would that not count as editing? I can't imagine it's been an issue before but the possibility is there. The question is if the possibility of abuse warrants a regulation of image hosting providers.
I think moral of the story is if you're gonna do something that involves linking (like posting an embeded image) don't change it. If it changes, it will be treated the same as editing the post, cause that's what it is
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On June 24 2015 16:31 Foolishness wrote:I think this (hiding messages in BBCode) should be banned for reasons stated already. Though I think kita and Palmar have brought up other excellent points that might be worth discussing (compiled here, ordered by similarity): - Can you post a picture that contains a message in 2pt font if you zoom in?
- Using out of game content (images, videos) that may be subject to change
- Can you hide a message within a paragraph of text?
- Can you quote some song lyrics where the next passage contains the message that you'll refer to?
- Can you post a random phrase like "I'm like Sirius Black" and a few days later point out that the same actor portrayed Detective Gordon?
- Spreadsheets that can be posted in the thread as "proof" you've been doing something
- Using out of game information to "prove" out of game actions (look at these boxes, I'm really moving)
- Abusing own meta to the point where you stop trying to win in some situations (town seal / promises)
- Speaking in code that only part of the game is likely to understand (I think geript/wos did this?)
1-2 I'd say no.
3 Of course you can.
4-5 Of course you can.
6-7 Both ok for me. Something like this has been faked before so people should know not to blindly believe stuff like this.
8 Hell no.
9 No. There is a reason why people are only allowed to write english for example.
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On June 24 2015 17:08 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2015 17:00 Fecalfeast wrote:On June 24 2015 16:43 Rels wrote:On June 24 2015 16:31 Foolishness wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I think this (hiding messages in BBCode) should be banned for reasons stated already. Though I think kita and Palmar have brought up other excellent points that might be worth discussing (compiled here, ordered by similarity): - Can you post a picture that contains a message in 2pt font if you zoom in?
- Using out of game content (images, videos) that may be subject to change
- Can you hide a message within a paragraph of text?
- Can you quote some song lyrics where the next passage contains the message that you'll refer to?
- Can you post a random phrase like "I'm like Sirius Black" and a few days later point out that the same actor portrayed Detective Gordon?
- Spreadsheets that can be posted in the thread as "proof" you've been doing something
- Using out of game information to "prove" out of game actions (look at these boxes, I'm really moving)
- Abusing own meta to the point where you stop trying to win in some situations (town seal / promises)
- Speaking in code that only part of the game is likely to understand (I think geript/wos did this?)
For items 1-2, I don't think they should be allowed for similar reasons as the BBCode (though obviously number 2 is a little more vague and there's probably grey area). But if the content is clearly "out of game" then it shouldn't be allowed at all. For item 3, I think this is okay because it's fairly easy to makeup. You can easily enough go through your previous posts, take random letters just because and say it's a message. I don't feel that this is hard enough where it ruins the fun. I don't remember who, but a while ago there was someone who was always posting a message that he was the cop no matter what role he was (usually using the first three letters of his first three posts, or first three sentences, etc.) Took zero effort and was always available if needed. Just as well, if we prohibit hidden messages in text then it gets very hard to differentiate between a hidden message a softing a role. Is a player who is trying to allude that they might be the cop so you shouldn't pressure them using a hidden message? I think we can all agree that'd be silly, but it's tough to firmly say that's soooo different from leaving a hidden message. I don't have an issue with items 4-5 as they are something that's easily google-able. I don't think there's hidden message implications because everyone here (presumably) knows how to use a web browser. For items 6 and 7, I think there needs to be an important distinction between "out of game" and "in game" information. Anything "out of game" should not be used at all. The example here of 'look at these boxes, I'm moving' shouldn't have any impact on what the player is doing and why they might be mafia. If this is so great of a concern then the player should talk to the host about it first. If a player isn't posting very much, that's his prerogative and outside your control, and probably his fault if he gets killed for it. And while it is easy enough to fake a picture like this (we live in an age where you can take a pic with your phone and have it on imgur in less than a minute) if it does not pertain to information in the game then it shouldn't be used. (I know there's probably some grey area here). The spreadsheet thing is alright to do. Some people do that and some don't. What's the different between someone posting a spreadsheet and saying "look this is what I did" and someone just typing it all out in a post? The same information is getting across. The spreadsheet would qualify as "in game" information. Item 8 is probably against the rules in most situations: (from the model OP) 7. Getting yourself modkilled to help your team. Your non-majority-decided death may not be used as a bargaining chip. ... 9. Betting items outside of the game in exchange for in-game benefits Item 9 I don't know about. It's probably okay but also the most grey out of the list in my opinion. People here are chummy and sometimes that comes out in posts, which is totally okay. But the counter argument of 'what if two people start speaking in Russian and nobody knows what they are saying' is difficult to refute. I'd like to hear what people think about this. Would love to hear what others think about these items. I agree with everything! Except this point: On June 24 2015 16:31 Foolishness wrote:
The spreadsheet thing is alright to do. Some people do that and some don't. What's the different between someone posting a spreadsheet and saying "look this is what I did" and someone just typing it all out in a post? The same information is getting across. The spreadsheet would qualify as "in game" information. The content of a online spreeadsheet can change, so if we don't allow edits of posts, I don't know why online spreadsheet would be accepted. A screenshot of it would be alright though. I would agree that linking directly to the spreadsheet is not okay. It essentially becomes out of thread communication at that point. One thing that I hadn't thought of before is linking to a picture that you later change. Most of the time, especially if you use imgur, this isn't an issue but if I were to host an image on a server I control and then change that image later, while keeping the filename the same, would that not count as editing? I can't imagine it's been an issue before but the possibility is there. The question is if the possibility of abuse warrants a regulation of image hosting providers. I think moral of the story is if you're gonna do something that involves linking (like posting an embeded image) don't change it. If it changes, it will be treated the same as editing the post, cause that's what it is
Agreed.
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On June 24 2015 16:35 Blazinghand wrote:
FWIW the "look at these boxes i'm moving" was only ever used by me as a lie. I think someone did once post photos of plane tickets though. hah.
they were real
Best.
Wait hold on, when did I ever speak in code?
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United Kingdom30774 Posts
I think out of game reasons and evidence is totally fine since people use out of game reasons and evidence to lynch people all the time (things like boxes etc)
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On June 24 2015 20:16 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2015 17:08 Blazinghand wrote:On June 24 2015 17:00 Fecalfeast wrote:On June 24 2015 16:43 Rels wrote:On June 24 2015 16:31 Foolishness wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I think this (hiding messages in BBCode) should be banned for reasons stated already. Though I think kita and Palmar have brought up other excellent points that might be worth discussing (compiled here, ordered by similarity): - Can you post a picture that contains a message in 2pt font if you zoom in?
- Using out of game content (images, videos) that may be subject to change
- Can you hide a message within a paragraph of text?
- Can you quote some song lyrics where the next passage contains the message that you'll refer to?
- Can you post a random phrase like "I'm like Sirius Black" and a few days later point out that the same actor portrayed Detective Gordon?
- Spreadsheets that can be posted in the thread as "proof" you've been doing something
- Using out of game information to "prove" out of game actions (look at these boxes, I'm really moving)
- Abusing own meta to the point where you stop trying to win in some situations (town seal / promises)
- Speaking in code that only part of the game is likely to understand (I think geript/wos did this?)
For items 1-2, I don't think they should be allowed for similar reasons as the BBCode (though obviously number 2 is a little more vague and there's probably grey area). But if the content is clearly "out of game" then it shouldn't be allowed at all. For item 3, I think this is okay because it's fairly easy to makeup. You can easily enough go through your previous posts, take random letters just because and say it's a message. I don't feel that this is hard enough where it ruins the fun. I don't remember who, but a while ago there was someone who was always posting a message that he was the cop no matter what role he was (usually using the first three letters of his first three posts, or first three sentences, etc.) Took zero effort and was always available if needed. Just as well, if we prohibit hidden messages in text then it gets very hard to differentiate between a hidden message a softing a role. Is a player who is trying to allude that they might be the cop so you shouldn't pressure them using a hidden message? I think we can all agree that'd be silly, but it's tough to firmly say that's soooo different from leaving a hidden message. I don't have an issue with items 4-5 as they are something that's easily google-able. I don't think there's hidden message implications because everyone here (presumably) knows how to use a web browser. For items 6 and 7, I think there needs to be an important distinction between "out of game" and "in game" information. Anything "out of game" should not be used at all. The example here of 'look at these boxes, I'm moving' shouldn't have any impact on what the player is doing and why they might be mafia. If this is so great of a concern then the player should talk to the host about it first. If a player isn't posting very much, that's his prerogative and outside your control, and probably his fault if he gets killed for it. And while it is easy enough to fake a picture like this (we live in an age where you can take a pic with your phone and have it on imgur in less than a minute) if it does not pertain to information in the game then it shouldn't be used. (I know there's probably some grey area here). The spreadsheet thing is alright to do. Some people do that and some don't. What's the different between someone posting a spreadsheet and saying "look this is what I did" and someone just typing it all out in a post? The same information is getting across. The spreadsheet would qualify as "in game" information. Item 8 is probably against the rules in most situations: (from the model OP) 7. Getting yourself modkilled to help your team. Your non-majority-decided death may not be used as a bargaining chip. ... 9. Betting items outside of the game in exchange for in-game benefits Item 9 I don't know about. It's probably okay but also the most grey out of the list in my opinion. People here are chummy and sometimes that comes out in posts, which is totally okay. But the counter argument of 'what if two people start speaking in Russian and nobody knows what they are saying' is difficult to refute. I'd like to hear what people think about this. Would love to hear what others think about these items. I agree with everything! Except this point: On June 24 2015 16:31 Foolishness wrote:
The spreadsheet thing is alright to do. Some people do that and some don't. What's the different between someone posting a spreadsheet and saying "look this is what I did" and someone just typing it all out in a post? The same information is getting across. The spreadsheet would qualify as "in game" information. The content of a online spreeadsheet can change, so if we don't allow edits of posts, I don't know why online spreadsheet would be accepted. A screenshot of it would be alright though. I would agree that linking directly to the spreadsheet is not okay. It essentially becomes out of thread communication at that point. One thing that I hadn't thought of before is linking to a picture that you later change. Most of the time, especially if you use imgur, this isn't an issue but if I were to host an image on a server I control and then change that image later, while keeping the filename the same, would that not count as editing? I can't imagine it's been an issue before but the possibility is there. The question is if the possibility of abuse warrants a regulation of image hosting providers. I think moral of the story is if you're gonna do something that involves linking (like posting an embeded image) don't change it. If it changes, it will be treated the same as editing the post, cause that's what it is Agreed.
Also agreed. For the spreadsheet example I was thinking of someone posting pictures to it, not linking it and updating it.
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I am happy with what you have said, Foolishness.
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No YouTube linking?
Ah.
Adieu...
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of course we can link youtube videos?
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