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Rels
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Trfel
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On June 19 2015 16:58 Trfel wrote: Here is my previous case on Oatsmaster. The cop claim does nothing at all to explain these points from a town perspective. It's still a very valid case.Oatsmaster Day 1 Read Progression: Inconsistent, interacted suspiciously with Sulfurus + Show Spoiler + On June 13 2015 11:11 Oatsmaster wrote: btw we still have like a day lol. if bats flips town, ill be going after sulfurus. On June 13 2015 18:40 Oatsmaster wrote: I would lynch geript if we don't lynch bats. What did geript and Sulfurus do in between these two posts? On June 13 2015 15:38 Sulfurus wrote: I would definitely lynch and Kick and I would be fine with a Geript lynch. Wave was very quick and eager to lynch on me and Damdred has posted too little for me to read him as town. And no I don't think Bats has been more town recently at all. On June 13 2015 15:58 Sulfurus wrote: @trfel this post. It made me realize that just because Bats was town last time I tried to lynch doesn't mean it should stop me this time. On June 13 2015 16:00 Sulfurus wrote: Also I feel bad for saying I would lynch Damdred when he hasn't posted much. So now he isn't on my lynch list. Nothing to warrant this change. At the time that Oatsmaster switched from batsnacks to geript, the vote count was as follows: Sulfurus (6): Kickstart, geript, batsnacks, WaveofShadow, scott31337, MoosyDoosy batsnacks (5): n00bKing, ruXxar, Oatsmaster, Sulfurus, Trfel geript (1): Rels By this point, it was starting to look like Sulfurus would be lynched over batsnacks. Here's some of Oatsmaster's discussion with batsnacks after MoosyDoosy voted for Sulfurus (putting him into the lead). No posts are omitted. On June 13 2015 22:14 Oatsmaster wrote: dammit bats I want to lynch mafia today but you are the scummiest. On June 13 2015 22:15 Oatsmaster wrote: argh now i feel like im nitpicking. Ok Ok fine. On June 13 2015 22:17 batsnacks wrote: I never voted him! And I did explain that no one should claim! And I am NOT the scummiest you are just caught in a logical fallacy that I WILL get you out of. On June 13 2015 22:21 Oatsmaster wrote: Here, it feels that Oatsmaster is suggesting lynching geript with batsnacks, who seven minutes ago he said was the scummiest in the thread. And batsnacks made a whole one post in this time.You did. voting thread doesnt count. If we didnt have a voting thead, you wouldve voted. Answer the question. Also, what logical fallacy? That you are useless and are not helping town at all, that you constantly complain about getting scumread and you do nothing but scumread the person everyone else thinks is mafia? Sure, logical fallacy. You would lynch geript? On June 13 2015 22:42 Damdred wrote: With the vote count at 6 to 5 with Sulfurus leading, and the only players not on one of the two wagons (Damdred and Rels) saying they won't lynch batsnacks, it's pretty obvious that batsnacks won't be lynched.Yeah bats is a completely stupid lynch, here. (Never use this again bats is to smart a player) If you look at bats last scum/town games you see a few things crop up. 1) as scum once it's clear that he is going to,be one of,l the leading wagons his care factor diminishes to a few posts randomly complaining without doing anything about it or pushing his own thoughts. In comparison here he is pushing what he thinks explaining why he's town,and,not giving,up. I liked bats when I first read his filter. He keeps pushing the thread. 2) as scum, he has developed an ability to have weak scum reads to a point. Here he has well reasoned or seemingly well reasoned reasons for calling people out. 3) resorts to trolling as scum when he's caught. He's not doing this here. Bats is town, besides meta. Biggest filter, most controversial figure d1. Okish reads. Leave the bats alone Batsnacks and ruXxar say that they are willing to lynch geript, and despite Oatsmaster still talking about how batsnacks' posts are bad, and batsnacks not saying anything useful, Oatsmaster decides to lynch geript with batsnacks. Night 1: False explanation for vote switch from batsnacks to geript + Show Spoiler + On June 14 2015 09:14 Oatsmaster wrote: Let's get moosy tmr On June 14 2015 09:36 Oatsmaster wrote: Not impressed.I quite like lynching Scot. Because Oatsmaster definitely said that batsnacks looked towny. When he was making posts like these just before switching votes from batsnacks to geript: On June 13 2015 23:00 Oatsmaster wrote: lol everyone is a better lynch than you bats, even me. well intentioned means that it feels like Rels is trying to find mafia. Not very well but still. Every other post of yours is bad bats. ... On June 13 2015 23:09 Oatsmaster wrote: Thats like the worst argument in existence. Day 2: Scumreads Sulfurus, tries to lynch anyone else + Show Spoiler + Going into Day 2, Oatsmaster was suspicious of MoosyDoosy, scott31337, Damdred, and Sulfurus. On June 15 2015 08:40 Oatsmaster wrote: that was a pretty bad kill. Why exactly is everyone voting for rels and not sulph? On June 15 2015 20:43 Oatsmaster wrote: Rels just did his go through the thread and reply to every single post thing again. And in the end, I have no idea who he thinks is scum, only numerous townreads. On June 15 2015 21:29 Oatsmaster wrote: So, Oatsmaster says that he doesn't want to lynch Rels, and suggests lynching Sulfurus instead (without voting for Sulfurus). Then he posts some suspicions of Rels. It almost feels like he's giving himself a way to jump to Rels later, if necessary.I mean, it seems really convoluted, the most strategy Ive ever had as scum was to "ok try not to lynch my partners and lynch town". On June 16 2015 08:41 Oatsmaster wrote: I really dont like this kickstart lynch, its coming up super fast and everyone is supporting it. What happened to lynching ruxxar? I thought that was pretty good. or damdred. On June 16 2015 10:17 Oatsmaster wrote: Kickstart is pretty damn obviously town and him not doing anything doesn't really diminish his start. Like this is a super easy lynch for scum to push because Kickstart 's attitude sucks and a pretty predictable response will come. Let's lynch ruxxar instead. On June 16 2015 10:18 Oatsmaster wrote: Seriously why the hell is kickstart a better lynch. Can someone like trfel give me one reason that doesn't include the words activity and promises. On June 16 2015 12:26 Oatsmaster wrote: Damdred, do you want to lynch kickstart or not? On June 16 2015 22:42 Oatsmaster wrote: So, despite scumreading Sulfurus all this time, seeing the wagons being Sulfurus and Kickstart, he doesn't vote. Then he pushes ruXxar, who he never mentioned being scummy so far Day 2 and Night 1. But Oatsmaster didn't actually vote for ruXxar, after a while he switched to Kickstart. Didn't mention Sulfurus throughout all of this.Pretty ok case I guess. Dammit I hate being a wrong but now kickstart actually looks like mafia. It's weird that sulph wants to lynch me rather than kickstart though. Also note: constant scumread of Damdred, but never does anything about it + Show Spoiler + His first mention of Damdred this game. On June 14 2015 15:18 Oatsmaster wrote: Damdred didn't call me town, he's scum. Also that completely pointless list post that has more townreads than scum reads. Sulph / damdred mafia. Scott also maybe. On June 16 2015 08:41 Oatsmaster wrote: I really dont like this kickstart lynch, its coming up super fast and everyone is supporting it. What happened to lynching ruxxar? I thought that was pretty good. or damdred. On June 17 2015 09:42 Oatsmaster wrote: These are all the times that Oatsmaster references Damdred in the timeframe here.Yeah, sorry Scott, that's not actually a case, just observation. I ddidn't explain my scum reads cause I didn't think it was all that important. Also I totally forgot about Damdred lol. Damdred mafia. Also, I never explained a reason for you to be mafia, so it can't be shit. Damdred should just know better than to townhunt rather than scumhunt After this, Oatsmaster does discuss his scumread of Damdred more, but the fact that he was constantly scumreading Damdred but not saying anything about it is strange. On June 21 2015 23:03 WaveofShadow wrote: This is an extremely good point. I can't think of many good reasons why town!Oatsmaster, as cop, would wait for this long to claim, which validates this point even more.So I just noticed something interesting. The timing of oats claim comes after he can be sure town doesn't have a cop. He waits for everyone in the town to have posted to confirm rather than claim early in the day. You ask 'but wave, everyone had posted already waayyy before oats claimed!' Look at the timing of trfels post. He posts and leaves before the idea of cop claiming comes up. Oats waits until he posts the second time to be absolutely sure its safe. (This actually means trfel is probably town?) Anyway, the main analysis. Starting from the bottom of page 110, at the start of Day 4. Basically everyone was extremely suspicious of Oatsmaster at the start of Day 4, and suspicions of Oatsmaster had been around for quite some time. + Show Spoiler [Examples] + On June 21 2015 07:12 ruXxar wrote: Why was damdred your top scum, even over oats? On June 21 2015 08:12 Kickstart wrote: (note that Oatsmaster claims to have checked Kickstart as town)Don't like the position we are in. Oats deserves to die but if he is town then he fucked all of us by deciding to not play this game. If he is town now is the time for him to do something, otherwise he is still the best lynch. On June 21 2015 08:36 Rels wrote: OK this idea was apparently bad. 4 people were for a Damdred lynch last day: batsnacks, me, WOS and Oats. Can see very well Oats as scum, but not WOS. On June 21 2015 10:04 Kickstart wrote: First of all whatever rels quoted me saying about scott isn't even close to the same thing. Dunno what universe he is in. Rels+oats scum team imo. Oats saying be not liking his play is too much of a compliment to himself. He hasn't been playing. My filter looks like that because you are scum. Just go through Oats filter, it is pathetic how he has played and miraculous that he hasn't been lynched. I told town they would be sorry if oats lived till mylo/lylo and yet here we are. Wave and trfel arent scummy atm at all and if they are are scum fine they can win. Oats is most scummy followed by rels/ruxxar and like I been saying forever oats needs to be lynched. On June 21 2015 10:08 Kickstart wrote: Ill make this real easy in fact. I refuse to move my vote. So you can vote with me and hit mafia or vote whoever mafia is trying to push and lose the game. ##vote Oatsmaster The push on Kickstart doesn't make any sense from a town perspective at all. Given how widely Oatsmaster was being scumread, and how this was only getting worse since the day began, there's no way that Oatsmaster can get out of this without a claim. + Show Spoiler + On June 21 2015 19:04 Oatsmaster wrote: I didn't claim because if I managed to get wave lynche, and I don't die, it's almost auto. On June 21 2015 23:15 Oatsmaster wrote: Dude, i claimed because everyone called me mafia. On June 22 2015 07:44 Oatsmaster wrote: So, Oatsmaster didn't claim right at the start of the day because if he avoided getting lynched himself, and got WaveofShadow lynched anyway, it would make it much better for town later. This logic is plausible, however it doesn't fit this case.But the point of not claiming is because we have a much much much easier time tomorrow if I managed to get wave lynched without claiming. On June 21 2015 17:37 Oatsmaster wrote: (key part in bold)The thing that would make you town is to actually talk about sulf during the night which you didnt do, and instantly vote for him day 2 OR make a case that actually includes more than a d2 quote. Anyway, you cant just say "its not scummy" when I have explained why its scummy, what in the world is the bolded thing even saying? "oh i can do whatever I want, you cant call it scummy." what bullshit. How do you find scum then? I chose you because you are mafia. Im cop, red checked wave yesterday. greenchecked bats n1, kickstart n2. Damn it, thought I could talk my way outta this. Still gotta find the last mafia. So he really thought he could avoid getting lynched, and get WaveofShadow lynched instead. And he's frustrated that he couldn't, forcing him to claim. So, what did he do to defend himself, and what did he do to convince people that WaveofShadow was scum? On June 21 2015 09:24 Oatsmaster wrote: Bold added on the important part.So I doubt bats was a hatter snipe. Wave is more scummy than kickstart though. Man I actually have to go through his filter and make a case. Life sucks. Also he will be pushing my ass for really bad reasons. Can I preempt his omgus? On June 21 2015 10:13 Oatsmaster wrote: So he's willing to make a case on WaveofShadow to actually prove it (which was also requested by several people), and he's willing to defend himself against cases posted on him.I'm town though. If you can post a coherent list of things I did and why that makes me scummy then I will take you seriously. So, Kickstart (who Oatsmaster supposedly knows is town) made a case, and ruXxar immediately quoted it and agreed with it. Here's the case: On June 21 2015 11:03 Kickstart wrote: And here's the response:Sure you are. Lets gather a list of who Oats has called scummy. Day1 Starts the game off with a retarded push on bats and thus starts the day1 nonsense where bats was a very possible lynch candidate. Here again he is pushing the retarded bats read but notice him also hedging his bet on geript, WHO HE VOTES FOR LATER ANYWAYS. First time he says I'm scum, in his typical shit reasons fashion. Though I guess with oats him giving a shit reason is a rarity cause as you will see he usually doesn't give any reason at all. Voted on noobs, justification being noobs had just posted long advice posts instead of scumhunting. He later took his vote off with a good point about noob continuing to post advice even after called out. But again scum could easily make such a point. Notice the continual hedging of his reads and the flip flops. Here he does it while setting up to move his vote on geript. Notice also that up until this point he has only ever pushed for votes on people that are all confirmed town, 3 people not one of them scum. 4 town he pushed on if you count myself as I do. Still in day 1, still willing to lynch whoever has the wagons and still hasn't pushed any original and meaningful reads. More nonsense on day 1, again all on confirmed towns: Night1/Day2 Oats posting around flips is ridiculous in general but this one is pretty good. After only arguing with bats for the entirety of day and bats being the main person he pushes, after the geript flip here is his defense for hoping on the geript wagon: LOL at the blatant lies. Read his day1 filter and aside from the meaningless points his filter is only him 'pressuring'/arguing with/about bats. But he thought he was town, riiiiiiiiiiight. He also picks up his calling almost everyone mafia. I didn't mention it earlier but he did earlier and here call sulfurus possible mafia, but note that he does not stick to this read or even push sulf at any point in the game. Even when sulf was lynched his vote wasn't there. Just his usual causing a shitstorm and being non-committal and non-helpful. Then we have the whole day2 vote situation in which oats looks bad in every way imaginable around this flip. First, hes been calling sulf scum but doesn't push the sulf lynch and his vote didn't even end up there it stayed on me. The wagon on me is picking up steam, he goes from being so ridiculously against it to just saying ok fine and voting me and leaving his vote there: all that only to then do this: If I looked so towny and sulf looks so bad why the fuck wasn't his vote on sulf. Day3 After the vote he gets even more ridiculous saying that no one can be confirmed town after this lynch. I'm just annoyed looking through his filter. Instead of trying to figure anything out or do anything productive when we just got the godfather to flip he just shits up the thread. But when all else fails, oats goes back to his usual just calling everyone mafia with no reasons: After the sulf flip he tries to paint me and damdred as the most likely scum at this point? That is just so retarded it still boggles my mind. I was the first vote on sulf and damdred was the second and oats tries to argue for a long time that neither of us really thought he was scum and our votes mean nothing because we could have bused him. Just ridiculous. Anyways to shorten this down , oats tries to push on damdred or scott for the next lynch, both of which are confirmed town now. Now look at his current play and of all the people to say are scummy he is trying to push wave or me as being the scummiest???? Get real. I suggest you all to read his filter. The only thing that ever made me reconsider was his early talking about sulf but then when it counted it amounted to literally nothing. If oats is town here then we just blame the loss on him because his play has been ridiculous. Again, read his filter, the whole thing is bad. On June 21 2015 11:20 Oatsmaster wrote: He's not actually invested in defending himself, and he's not actually putting in effort.Lol kick, why would I switch to you if I'm mafia. Can you explain that? Why don't I just lynch sulf especially since I can make up a real good reason why he's mafia. The bad thing about this is that I definitely will look like town if I'm mafia. I think wave is mafia because he didn't die. I think you are mafia because the only thing on your mind the past 3 days is lynching me. When there are still 2 mafia alive. Why do you say I'm hedging my vote just cause I call more than one person mafia at a time? Also how am I the only person to think that Scott and damdred were mafia. Everyone in the game thought they were mafia. On June 21 2015 13:33 Oatsmaster wrote: I was reading waves filter and he is totally mafia. I can't quite write why, but his actions after geript got lynched are weird. He said he tried to get the lynch off geript? Nope. And he didn't even repeat his sulph scum read until day 2 when sulph made a horrific post. This reads a lot to me like wave asking his teammate to buck it up but then sulph just can't so he bussed. On June 21 2015 13:34 Oatsmaster wrote: So, here's his WaveofShadow case. And it doesn't have any substance.Also he only has 11 pages in filter. Worse argument in existence. First, WaveofShadow didn't say that he tried to get the lynch off of geript, he wasn't around for the deadline. On June 14 2015 08:24 WaveofShadow wrote: Oatsmaster never found a quote that actually shows this.Yeah only thing I'll say about this but I feel like Geript was going down regardless of any errors. I certainly wasn't around to shout anything. Second, pushing a player with extremely low activity when they aren't there right at the start of a day is really stupid. One thing that's stupider is pushing a player with extremely low activity when they aren't there during the night. This scumread doesn't make sense at all. Filter length definitely isn't a stand-alone argument. I don't get the impression that Oatsmaster was seriously trying to get out of the lynch, at least not to the level he said he was. A few other random points: On June 21 2015 12:41 Oatsmaster wrote: Also, he asks about no lynching only after it's obvious that he isn't getting anywhere with the discussion.Btw can we nolynch? We should no lynch if we can. On June 21 2015 12:46 Kickstart wrote: This is a good point, and makes sense with his claim to have cop checked Kickstart.Don't see why Oats is trying so hard to convince me. Like of all the players to convince that he is town surely I'm like the worst to try and convince. Then, Oatsmaster claims cop. Until this point, WaveofShadow was looking really towny. I already analyzed the ways that his play this game differs from my experience playing with him where he was scum. The way he played Day 4 until the cop claim continued like this. The tone of Oatsmaster's post where he's claiming cop feels a bit strange, but mostly believable. He sounds confident, yet frustrated that he was forced to claim. I'm not sure what to make of the argument between them. WaveofShadow getting mad feels suspicious, as there's no reason for town!WaveofShadow to get mad arguing with mafia!Oatsmaster when he knows for a fact that Oatsmaster is mafia. However, Oatsmaster continues to push false arguments. His explanation of the fake push on Kickstart is a bit hard to believe, and this: On June 21 2015 19:05 Oatsmaster wrote: is nonsense. If WaveofShadow is town, he knows that Oatsmaster is scum, because town would never fake a red check in MYLO. WaveofShadow has no reason to question Oatsmaster at all, except to further prove that he is town.Like wave isn't asking any of the obvious questions especially since I'm clearly lying if he's town. His reaction isn't like that at all. And this is what WaveofShadow does later, when he shows how Oatsmaster waited for everyone to post (suggesting that they weren't the cop) before he claimed. As to the final point about claiming bad checks, Oatsmaster's been using the WIFOM defense all throughout the day. First by saying that he only looks scummy because he doesn't know alignments, he wouldn't take an uncertain stance on his scum buddy, and now that he wouldn't fake claim cop with bad checks. It's a bad argument. As for the red check on WaveofShadow, and not an easier target, unless Oatsmaster decided to do this very early on, he didn't have much choice. His vote was on WaveofShadow, and at MYLO the town cop would need a really good reason to ever not vote for their red check. Furthermore, I doubt that Oatsmaster could pull off a cop fakeclaim on someone else, because WaveofShadow would probably be able to see through it. Claiming a red check on WaveofShadow is a great way to discredit the strongest player in the game. WaveofShadow has been consistently towny all game. In contrast, Oatsmaster has been scummy for a while, and his play doesn't align with his cop claim and his supposed checks. ##vote Oatsmaster | ||
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Trfel
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Kickstart
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The only thing to decide here is if we believe Oats claim. If his claim is true, wave and rels are the scumteam imo. If oats is lying he is obviously scum and wave is town and then his scumbuddy is in trfel or ruxxar I think, probably ruxxar; though I guess Rels could be his teammate as well, havent given that world much though atm. Biggest issue here is I know I'm town and at this point I will put the idea of Trfel being town above almost everything else (in regards to who else is town or who is mafia) simply based on the current situation. Now I am inclined to believe Oats but it seems Trfel doubts it. Rels also seems to doubt Oats claim but now he is hung up on some real retarded shit leading me to think he is scum as well. Like I just don't understand Rels questioning of me here. The single most important event that has happened in this game is the Oats claim and it is the ONLY thing that needs to be figured out to decide if this game is won/lost for town and he is asking me retarded questions??? It just baffles me as the only thing everyone should be discussing and putting their energy into is figuring out if Oats is indeed the cop. Rels this is so weird/scummy of you I need you to explain. | ||
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Kickstart
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I have thought Oats was scummy all game, and while this is a really bad way to play, if he is actually cop and we lose because people don't believe him I am fine just putting the blame on him for playing so shit when he was town =]. Vote remains on Oats and he dies. | ||
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Oatsmaster
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Apparently he thinks that when I say the kickstart shit wasn't a trap but to get reactions it's somehow a lie. I guess he tried too hard to defend wave. Secondly, the post I had with kickstart clearly doesn't say what my read on him is, being a dick is not alignment indicative. Rels is pushing bullwhip and forcing a case in order to lynch the uncced cop. Me. Also, in his vote post, he puts more emphasis on other people's analysis rather than his own. And still nobody has posted a reason why I fake claim both red check on wave and a green check on kickstart...... | ||
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Oatsmaster
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It looks like the reaction of mafia that got caught. | ||
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Oatsmaster
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You do understand why I claimed late right? If I claimed with the opening post of day 1, we still have this discussion and we don't get the chance to get both mafia. We only get one and then no info tmr. | ||
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Oatsmaster
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If wave is town and get lynched, he loses the game. Does his reaction after my claim show that at all???? No. He was looking back to find something to disprove my claim way too late. Trfel, tell me. If someone claims a recheck on you, you will just go off on him right? Is your reaction anything like waves? No town reaction is like that. My points are not wifom. I really thought I could get out of the lynch. Check before the day post. The attitude was definitely not like this at all. Why would mafia oats not go for easy targets on d3? You say that I'm forced into fake claiming a redcheck today wave today, but that's cause of d3 and n3. It just makes 0 sense for mafia oats not to pocket wave when he clearly has problems reading me. Trfel, there is still more than one day left. Talk to me. I want to win this game, you want to win this game. Kickstart too. Appealing to emotion is totally a thing. | ||
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Rels
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On June 22 2015 17:42 Kickstart wrote: Rels you are hung up on some pretty dumb things. I said that because at that point in time I chose to believe his claim. I'm really not going to get into a discussion about me being upset at oats and being pissed about his claim because it is neither important nor fruitful. Now I'm pissed at you for caring about something so meaningless when if we get this lynch wrong we fucking lose. The only thing to decide here is if we believe Oats claim. If his claim is true, wave and rels are the scumteam imo. If oats is lying he is obviously scum and wave is town and then his scumbuddy is in trfel or ruxxar I think, probably ruxxar; though I guess Rels could be his teammate as well, havent given that world much though atm. Biggest issue here is I know I'm town and at this point I will put the idea of Trfel being town above almost everything else (in regards to who else is town or who is mafia) simply based on the current situation. Now I am inclined to believe Oats but it seems Trfel doubts it. Rels also seems to doubt Oats claim but now he is hung up on some real retarded shit leading me to think he is scum as well. Like I just don't understand Rels questioning of me here. The single most important event that has happened in this game is the Oats claim and it is the ONLY thing that needs to be figured out to decide if this game is won/lost for town and he is asking me retarded questions??? It just baffles me as the only thing everyone should be discussing and putting their energy into is figuring out if Oats is indeed the cop. Rels this is so weird/scummy of you I need you to explain. That's two times now I've asked you a question, and you didn't answer and instead got angry. Anyway, we're apparently lynching Oats today. As you say, let's focus on that today. I won't forget it; we'll talk next day. | ||
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Oatsmaster
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Rels
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On June 22 2015 17:42 Kickstart wrote: Like I just don't understand Rels questioning of me here. The single most important event that has happened in this game is the Oats claim and it is the ONLY thing that needs to be figured out to decide if this game is won/lost for town and he is asking me retarded questions??? It just baffles me as the only thing everyone should be discussing and putting their energy into is figuring out if Oats is indeed the cop. Rels this is so weird/scummy of you I need you to explain. So we should only decide if either Oats or WOS is lying right ? Exactly what you did here 5 hours ago right ? On June 22 2015 13:06 Kickstart wrote: The main thing being his hard defense of Rels which I really didn't see as justifiable. But if he is scum and Rels is his buddy then it makes perfect sense. Plus, my questioning is perfectly justified. You seem soooo sorry to believe Oats' claim it is super suspicious. On June 22 2015 13:06 Kickstart wrote: Yeah I thought about it and as much as it pains me I think the most logical thing has to be to trust Oats claim. [...] If Oats fakeclaimed I will just never play with him again sigh. You're usually pretty clear and cut, so why the excuse and the justification here ? | ||
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Oatsmaster
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Come on guys, please think properly about this. I am not playing you. Think about it, if I'm mafia, why don't I just post seals and rely on my teammate winning? You guys have no idea who the other mafia is, if I'm mafia and I post seals. | ||
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Rels
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On June 22 2015 18:42 Oatsmaster wrote: Rels why aren't don't you seem to have any problems at all with lynching me and losing the game? 'cause I think you're mafia. You can explain your actions all you want, I believe your explanations are false and the better explanation is that you're mafia. Plus, there is something you can't explain, even if in the eventuality you're town: setup analysis. All behavioural analysis aside, it's super weird that you would be cop in this setup. And why do you try to convince me when you just said I slip and I am the second mafia ... You really attacked everyone today. Throwing mud, etc. | ||
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Rels
France13467 Posts
On June 22 2015 18:45 Oatsmaster wrote: Wave has like 5 posts since I claimed. I have like 20 but he's town and I'm mafia? Come on guys, please think properly about this. I am not playing you. Think about it, if I'm mafia, why don't I just post seals and rely on my teammate winning? You guys have no idea who the other mafia is, if I'm mafia and I post seals. Yeah you really did nothing all game, and only posted when you were under suspicion. Good point. | ||
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Rels
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On June 22 2015 18:45 Oatsmaster wrote: Think about it, if I'm mafia, why don't I just post seals and rely on my teammate winning? You guys have no idea who the other mafia is, if I'm mafia and I post seals. Stop using WIFOM to explain your behavious. | ||
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Oatsmaster
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It just makes 0 sense. Sure the gain is that mafia win, but it's a really awkward fake claim to make. | ||
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Oatsmaster
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The only thing you guys need to decide is whether the claim is real or fake, all the other stuff is extraneous. It's not wifom. It's not wifom, stop saying it's wifom. Setup analysis clearly doesn't apply because I'm the cop. Lol you really went and made that argument. You are too sure I'm mafia to be town. You do realise that if I'm the cop town loses right? I don't get that feeling at all from your posts. This is just another mislynch for you. | ||
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