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Tictock
United States6051 Posts
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Breshke
Australia3749 Posts
I feel like you and tictok are going to go round and round in circles with each other like i was with SL. Lets move on for now and see what else we think. Opinions on bunnies/my mini case/anyone else you find interesting? | ||
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disformation
Germany8352 Posts
On May 25 2015 18:00 Tictock wrote: @Bre She's fallen off my radar since EoD. Why aren't you back on this scott wagon? "sry I am to busy hardcore tunneling sicklucker". Not sure if that is good for town. On May 25 2015 16:44 sicklucker wrote: ya well its hard to find scum when no one but the obv towns spam up the thread. I probably have the biggest filter too You. Have. No. Idea. On May 25 2015 17:57 sicklucker wrote: I gave up on convincing him along time ago Scott taught me that giving up can be a sign for both mafia and town. Has anyone who played enough games with sicklucker to tell if that is more of a mafia or town sign for him? I looked at all of sicklucker's read progressions. And I have to say that they look pretty consistent. He does not always have great reasons (like about rels), but it lines up. Only strange thing: Calls breshke town for attacking him early: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/485267-newbie-student-mafia-x?page=11#207 Next mention of Breshke is a weird scum lean here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/485267-newbie-student-mafia-x?page=43#847 If I missed something please feel free to correct me, his filter is quite long after all. But there was a lot of stuff in between, so I can see why the opinion would change... still: sicklucker want to explain why you read Breshke as scum now? Also liked the points sicklucker found on bunnies. On May 25 2015 07:30 disformation wrote: Still not liking 27ninjabunnies at all. Depending on how/if at all she answers my questions, I can see myself making another case. Maybe I'll be ordering 27 bunnies for lunch. But I also want to look at the plotspot vs ticktoc wallbattle going on.. so much to do today. xD | ||
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Tictock
United States6051 Posts
Going back to my thoughts on 27 nb, well.. it's still the same as what i was saying D1 and your own read is pretty in line with that. Basically there is very bad reasoning in how she starts to scum Dis because she scum read BF. Really my biggest concern there is that she scums BF, but ignores him and focus' Dis. It's a wierd play and she clings to it. Idk maybe she just got lazy like plots over there. If that's the case then I'm sure glad we have some active town, though I still miss Rels. Anyways, in my current theories with SL and Plots my most likely Scum, she would be the potential SK. I'm not sure I can back it up (maybe I'm getting lazy too) but I get the sense that she's rather disconnected from the game. Like, doesn't really want to find scum but is along for the ride. This isn't something that we should entertain much though since SK role wont be confirmed until we have 3 dead scum and an active game. If SL flips green and I've just been super tunneled on him then I'd say 27nb and BM are most likely our scum team. | ||
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Tictock
United States6051 Posts
It just helps when you talk to me that way. | ||
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disformation
Germany8352 Posts
On May 25 2015 21:49 Breshke wrote: Opinions on bunnies/my mini case/anyone else you find interesting? TBH, I have no idea why she voted for me at the end of D1. I think I asked her about that once or twice, but she didn't bother to explain. She also never explained her read(s) on sicklucker although I asked her for that all game long. Her last post was: On May 25 2015 05:56 27ninjabunnies wrote: I did ask, and never received an answer. Isnt there a possibility as EOD got closer, mafia voted in their partner to look townie as they new he would be killed? Curious Which can be another weak attempt to subtly push in my direction since I was the last one to vote for scott. Already discussed that with BF. I wrote an answer to her here: On May 25 2015 06:51 disformation wrote: Where did you ask this? Only similar question I found in your filter is: And yes of course there is a possibility for that. I am currently trying to explain my thought to boxerfred. The other two "late" votes where sicklucker and batsnacks. batsnacks had him scummed earlier. I can see sicklucker voting for him to look more townie. Didn't he even argument how townie he is for lynching scott, at the beginning of N1? Will look into that. But I also want a lot of answers from you.  Taking a short break. Talking to boxerfred is exhausting. An again got no answer to that... no idea what her current reads are, as she didn't do anything N1 or D2 so far... The more I think about it... ##unvote ##vote: 27ninjabunnies Will not drop this unless I get some really amazing answers. | ||
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Breshke
Australia3749 Posts
This guys town | ||
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plotspot
800 Posts
On May 25 2015 21:49 Breshke wrote: You too please plot. I feel like you and tictok are going to go round and round in circles with each other like i was with SL. Lets move on for now and see what else we think. Opinions on bunnies/my mini case/anyone else you find interesting? Seconding this motion. I see now in his (TT's) reply that there are certain points leading to why he misread me. And then there are still points I'd like to address. Sorry TT if you feel offended at any points. Certainly I was not addressing you directly with it any of the points you thought I meant you when I said "noobs" or "people think they are king". The first is just highlight the importance of Breshke where I always see the urgency to wipe out misunderstandings, it was purely coincidence that it concerned SL at that time. The second is something I've noticed for a while and used this opportunity to get off my chest: the general tendency of people to apply super safe mechanics for oneself but loose mechanics others. That doesn't make sense: if you (general you) think you'd never let such a mistake catch you, how can you hope to catch someone else for the same mistake? But ok I call it off for now, and move on to the things I really wanted to do. | ||
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Tictock
United States6051 Posts
On May 25 2015 22:05 Breshke wrote: oh shit tictok brought up my case basically before me. This guys town Your welcome! I def don't mind lynching bunnies, hell maybe I'd even get on board so that me and SL can shit storm each other tomorrow night as well. Nah still sticking to my own reads until somebody poke read holes in them or we get something more solid on 27nb. If she pulls a scott? Humm, I'll reconsider near EoD. | ||
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Tictock
United States6051 Posts
In my mind it's more about the pressure and interactions that come from that pressure. Not "Oh! I caught you using logical falicy!" Like I'm far more likely to resend my scum lean on you given some of your attempts to reason with me. I still think there are enough points to keep reading scum on you, but there is a reason I'm gunning for SL first. Maybe one day SL will learn he simply needs to use words and reason... it seems he likes the playstyle he has though, so I wont expect it to change. | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
On May 25 2015 15:09 sicklucker wrote: How anyone can think plots is scum here is beyond me. not even reading that post i believe he flip flopped on disinformation On May 25 2015 15:19 sicklucker wrote: I would like to see this too I could use some defending . I know you have good reasons but unvoting me because I unvoted you can look bad to the dim witted. Regardless bm is almost never mafia because scott pushed him hes pretty close to confirmed town yeah and theres a difference in soft pushing/distancing and what he was doing On May 25 2015 15:22 Tictock wrote: SL you are either A) Scum B) Town that cares more about defending themselves at all costs (including lie and spread disinformation) than finding scum B is not ideal, but I'd be ok with it. Thankfully that's not a worry since you are scum. im pretty sure he, like me, is B he cares more about living than finding scum it's a bad character trait that i have some games On May 25 2015 15:54 Breshke wrote: I agree that the way Scott treats plot is a big point in favour of him being town. It is one of the only things I've gotten from Scott's filter. However tictok raises good points on him and if we dont keep lynching mafia there's only so far a town read based on spreadsheets and Scott being aggressive towards you will last. SL I also have problems with the fact that I'm null to you yet you say I'm pushing you because I'm salty not because I'm scum. So you think I'm town? what do you think of how scott treated me in his couple of posts? | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
hes so smart i didnt want to say anything though, ive been kind of wanting to watch how this plays out | ||
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27ninjabunnies
United States2486 Posts
Someone want to explain why while I reread? | ||
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disformation
Germany8352 Posts
On May 26 2015 01:26 27ninjabunnies wrote: Man, I come back from my campin trip and see this voting nonsense on me. Someone want to explain why while I reread? Hi.  Points by breshke: On May 25 2015 17:17 Breshke wrote: Bunnies scums disfo for a connection with BF and then also seemingly trying to distance himself from him. Then in this post reads BF as town now but still scums dis for other reasons which were not present before. Her townread of BF did not seem to affect her scumread of dis even though the read was firstly based on an association between the two. SL opinion please Which is at least partly a update of: On May 24 2015 11:27 Tictock wrote: BF? Wth you were reading him town EoD. Why are you suddenly suspecting him again? I'm having the hardest time following your thinking the past ~30 hours. sicklucker also did a bit of stuff: On May 25 2015 17:24 sicklucker wrote: wait bunnies was pushing scott but never voted him. strange? she voted disinfo but you quote where she calls disinfo town yet voted him over a confirmed mafia On May 25 2015 17:26 sicklucker wrote: so bunnies afks her vote on the second wagon. While still saying scotts a great lynch. Sounds like a likely scott partner tbh On May 25 2015 17:28 sicklucker wrote: shows up just at eod. Thats more likely as mafia then town from my experience On May 25 2015 17:34 sicklucker wrote: this is interesting. This is the vote count right before bunnies voted. at the time she voted it was very close so her being in a mafia team makes so much sense I think im voting her today and never changing. So we have bunnies being the third vote on disinfo to scotts two votes. At this point of the game it didnt look like scott was the lynch so if shes partners with him getting the vote on the other guy with votes is your only play. ##vote bunnies On top of that I am still disliking you for avoiding my questions all game and never delivered the explanation for your sicklucker reads you said you would deliver. So I'd like you to explain/respond to all that stuff. | ||
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disformation
Germany8352 Posts
And I have zero idea what your current reads are. So I'd like to see some of that, too. | ||
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disformation
Germany8352 Posts
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27ninjabunnies
United States2486 Posts
I will address the scott thing. I didn't vote scott not because we are partners (Cause im town) but because with scott af, and looking to still be afk, we could have had a replacement or modkill. Im glad we did vote him, because hey, We got rid of mafia role, but I felt better information could have been gained outside of a scott lynch. Scott was a last minute bandwagon it seemed, and it didnt really gain us info, because that gave perfect timing for mafia to bus. I'm looking within the votes to see if a possible mafia could have jumped at the chance for town cred there. | ||
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batsnacks
United States4466 Posts
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sicklucker
Canada16986 Posts
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