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sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
May 25 2015 10:51 GMT
#961
Troll me you say... feel like its the other way around

Plots were voting 27ninjabunnies today if your not aware. Ill post it here rather then are mason qt
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
May 25 2015 10:55 GMT
#962
SL what do you think of baraka? Maybe something other than that you green checked him.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
May 25 2015 11:05 GMT
#963
On May 25 2015 16:39 Tictock wrote:
BF is definitely town from his push EoN on Dis. I actually like the exchange between the two that happens.

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On May 25 2015 04:39 boxerfred wrote:
You start tryharding on me. I couldn't say too much on your argumentation before (when Rels started to call out my "I'm a newb" posts) because I saw myself in a bad light and thus tried to do better, which worked - you started to warm up on me. If you still lean me towards scum, I have to assume that you're actively trying to get me lynched, making you SK or scum. So far, I've been really defending myself in a passive way but by now I feel like you're way too aggressive towards other persons, while you keep defending yourself with lots of smileys, trying to make people think positive about you. You accept arguments from others with smiley faces too, acting like you're a gentleman who, even in disagreement, acknowledges the effort/quality/whatever in his opponent's post. You're not a newbie and thus far, you managed to not get yourself into the line of fire very well.


@BF
I totally get where you are coming from on this, and it's not a bad read. However if this is still an important point to you I'd suggest you breifly skim Dis's filter in the last newbie game here.

He uses the simlies AND gets scum read for it in that game as well. However he was Town Doc that game. The smiles are simply a part of his writing style are are completely NAI (Not Alignment Indicative).

Okay I can see that. Also, his usage of smileys really seems to not be based on the intention of a post so I take that as granted. I moved away from the scum lean already anyways but I don't think I'll drop the SK lean. I have to reread the sicklucker things, it's really confusing (since I can only quickscan the thread today until like 7-8 hours from now on).

As I understood it, people want to start a train on either sicklucker or bunnies. Having such a clear train for two different persons, started by two different persons, I'd say that the cop actually hit a scum member this night and wants to get that guy lynched without indicating who he himself is. Is that a far fetched theory or could that be the truth?
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
May 25 2015 11:07 GMT
#964
Again, batsnacks puts me on the 100% town side. He did that before if I recall it correctly, and repeats it now. He's really trying to pocket me as it seems (or he somehow is really sure about my alignment, potentially by copchecking me last night assuming he's cop). I cannot say anything about his alignment and while I like the supportive claims towards me as a person, I want to point out that reading me town at this point is a rather easy choice. There's not too much pressure on me currently.

plotspot
Profile Joined October 2014
800 Posts
May 25 2015 11:12 GMT
#965
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On May 25 2015 16:04 Tictock wrote:
Back to my case on Plots.

I quoted his read on Rels before, and pointed out how his reasons for scumming Rels also applied to SL. Course since SL is his scum partner he can't see that.
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On May 25 2015 07:10 plotspot wrote:
How do you know Rels wasn't Vig shot? I was about to make a case on scumreading him hard for the following points I prepared:
Rels: referring too much to others opinion, reading thread very carefully, the way RELS sets up lynch is also very comfortable (like lynch inactives), giving orders to others, thanks my post but posts no further thoughts, in comparison to Disinformation who displays overall anxiety in his reads and thoughts, Rels looks like he can handle any sudden change, there is nothing clouding his mind, others apparently have to do more than Rels,
you bet if I was Vig I would have shot her.

This time I want to emphasis a different part. Plots mentions Dis here... and is using him as an example of town behavior.

But wait... Didn't plots Vote to lynch Dis day 1? Now Dis is an example of town behavior? Humm...
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On May 24 2015 06:49 cakepie wrote:
~ Vote Count ~

scott31337 (6) : Rels, batsnacks (X), Tictock (X), Breshke, sicklucker, batsnacks, boxerfred, disformation
disformation (3) : Barakos, Breshke (X), 27ninjabunnies, plotspot
plotspot (1) : Bill Murray, Tictock (X)
27ninjabunnies (1) : Bill Murray (X), Tictock
batsnacks (1) : sicklucker (X), Sulfurus
Bill Murray (0) : Tictock (X), Sulfurus (X), Rels (X), boxerfred (X)
boxerfred (0) : Rels (X)
Breshke (0) : Sulfurus (X)
sicklucker (0) : Breshke (X), batsnacks (X), Bill Murray (X), batsnacks (X)
Sulfurus (0) : disformation (X)

Not voting (1) : scott31337

Currently, scott31337 is set to be lynched!
The cycle will end at Saturday, May 23 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00), only 10 minutes from this post!!!
remain as you are reading this.

Remember, voting is mandatory! Place your votes in this thread.

If you see any vote out of place, holler at us and we will look into it.


Interesting, I guess Dis went from most likely scum to epitomizing town behavior in plots eyes.

Ok it’s nice of you trying to read me, but do you have a feeling for time? Get your facts straight out first, maybe?
I scumread Dis entirely based on the 6 hours, and I even emphasized it when I made that read. Why did I vote for him? I freakin ran out of time. I posted my first sheet with 6 hours game info 28 hours into D1 and had a hard time catching up. Somewhere between 28hours and EoD (48hours), as I continued with my sheet I was more and more townreading Dis. Why didn’t I bother switching? Because it didn’t matter, as Scott was clearly the lynch that day. This is a kind of philosophy that I know some people do not agree to, they consider voting as some sort of taking stance, even if doesn’t matter to the end result. They probably don’t want to face the shit of others asking them “meh if you think he is town why don’t you switch”. My response: it didn’t matter that time. My read progressed on Dis from scum to town. He is not in danger of getting lynched. It is fine as it is. Do you understand Tictock? Do you understand my reasoning, even if you think it’s strange or don’t agree to this sort of mentality? Can you accept this as some sort of logical sequence and not a ploy of ploy to be deceptive?

On May 25 2015 16:04 Tictock wrote:
Ok I promised some association stuff. Don't forget I already talked about Plots weak town reads on SL. Guess who else made a weak townread on SL? Hint:
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On May 22 2015 11:44 scott31337 wrote:
Dinner was good and now time to get to work...

I'm unsure what to think of BM's early vote, maybe just to get some discussion started?
He unvoted though.

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On May 22 2015 11:20 sicklucker wrote:
On May 22 2015 10:24 Sulfurus wrote:
@sicklucker is it not normal for the mafia QT to be open during pregame b/c if it is you shouldn't have made that dumbtell
also ##Vote: Breshke


actually I forgot their was coaches. It looks coached This was probably a pocket attempt. No one ever agrees with me unless they have a motive. Also I think breskes town because if his mafia game is to attack me of all people in a newbie game with really weak reasons I will berate him post game so hes probably town.

Sulfurus

Sulfurus I got a n0 red check no you what say you?


SL loves to fakeclaim as town. +1



SL has also been rather protective of plots since he(plots) started posting.
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On May 22 2015 11:55 sicklucker wrote:
On May 22 2015 11:50 Tictock wrote:
On May 22 2015 11:49 plotspot wrote:
oh lawl game has started, but I have to go to sleep now, see you tomorrow
*celebrate good times come on*


This is just asking for Plynch, no?


nope...

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On May 22 2015 12:30 sicklucker wrote:
Plots one post was so null it hurts

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On May 22 2015 12:57 sicklucker wrote:
plots post seemed legit. he forgot the game started as he was about ot go to bed. If your mafia you probably dont do that because you look bad. If your town you dont give a shit and your tired

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On May 23 2015 10:46 sicklucker wrote:
no one is allowed to vote plots today maybe ever

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On May 23 2015 10:52 sicklucker wrote:
plots never mafia here. like ill kill you if you try to kill him. It takes a very special kind of person to do this as mafia and hes not proven as one of them.

I acualy see what hes trying to do with the chart. looking for who ignores who. But now that its out in the open mafia will spam their team mates


That seems like quite a bit of defending from SL...

Then we get to D2 when they actually interact a little. Bre pointed this out earlier but I'll repost it,
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On May 25 2015 08:32 sicklucker wrote:
Lets say im mafia who here can even be my partner?

2) Tictock like never my partner he has too many petty arguments againt me and votes me
4) plotspot Pushing me today
5) boxerfred acual this one makes some sense good thing im not scum
6) disformation hes pushing/voting me
7) Barakos would I check my team mate? Also probably pushing me im not sure
8) Sulfurus Who cares hes town
9) 27ninjabunnies Dont think we would be that obv
10) Bill Murray Im his only push apparently. I think hes the vote today
11) Breshke woulda rage quit if he was my partner
13) batsnacks pretty sure hes trying to lynch me. I voted him he voted me

The bolded part NEVER HAPPENED. Course SL is willing to just lie about that and he certaintly will never respond to and questions about it, rather plots does it for him.
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On May 25 2015 09:13 plotspot wrote:
On May 25 2015 09:07 Breshke wrote:
On May 25 2015 08:32 sicklucker wrote:
Lets say im mafia who here can even be my partner?

2) Tictock like never my partner he has too many petty arguments againt me and votes me
4) plotspot Pushing me today
5) boxerfred acual this one makes some sense good thing im not scum
6) disformation hes pushing/voting me
7) Barakos would I check my team mate? Also probably pushing me im not sure
8) Sulfurus Who cares hes town
9) 27ninjabunnies Dont think we would be that obv
10) Bill Murray Im his only push apparently. I think hes the vote today
11) Breshke woulda rage quit if he was my partner
13) batsnacks pretty sure hes trying to lynch me. I voted him he voted me


Look at the bolded plot. He thinks you are pushing him today. This is what I mean he doesn't read anything


Previously I said I thought he was town for D1, but I also said that I will look into his actions N1. I think it's fair that he thinks I will push him D2 about his actions on N1. He thinks I cannot be his partner and when RIGHT NOW I'm in a state of considering looking into him N1. Just a minor thing Breshke, but I do think he read everything.


Humm, even if plots thinks SL is town, why is he defending SL here? Shouldn't town!plots go "Hey wait, why is he saying that I'm pushing him when I just townread him" rather than "oh of course my buddy SL was thinking I was going to do this kus of stuff I said earlier" ?

Plus there's this weird all too friendly/joking attitude between them starting here.

It... feels forced. Like they realized they needed to interact since they've never really poked each other. Doing so in such a joking manner is liable to get overlooked, but it REALLY stuck out to me. I mean plots has never been so active in this game before that page of posts so why is he suddenly so comfortable interacting with SL? Sure they are townreading each other, but this is still way too casual imo.


God, how do I handle this chunk?
1. the first time SL defended me: I feel like he isn’t really defending me that much. He is just pointing out the obvious, while he has his active phase in the thread. For you it was not obvious because you were suspicious of me. Besides, Breshke also figured out the obvious. You spun too much from a simple good night post from me.
2. the second time SL “defended” me: I think he is overreacting in his natural way to the effort I made. Do you really think he wouldn’t vote me if he thinks I’m scum? Like he keeps forever to his caption: “never lynch PL never ever”? Do you think SL is that stupid? No possible way it was SL posting strategically for something?


3. “That BOLDED PART never happened”: Yeah because I don’t have the time yet. I haven’t closely looked at him N1 yet. N1 something seemed to have happened why everyone thinks he is scum. As I posted earlier I’m willing to look at it.

4. “Humm, even if plots thinks SL is town, why is he defending SL here? Shouldn't town!plots go "Hey wait, why is he saying that I'm pushing him when I just townread him" rather than "oh of course my buddy SL was thinking I was going to do this kus of stuff I said earlier" ?”
You again didn’t get your facts straight. Why would I be saying "Hey wait, why is he saying that I'm pushing him when I just townread him". That would make no sense. I said I was going to look on him closer N1 even though I townread him for D1. He reads it and says he expects me to push him. Why is this illogical?

5. Why did I “defend” him there when he could have resolved it himself: 2 reasons. I was in a posting streak. Plus it was Breshke who raises this point and not some noob. I was sure to correct Breshke as a valuable town member, preventing him from going off. I also corrected Breshke on a point earlier.

6. My joking with SL: I explained about it very clearly here.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24311053
But I see. It’s a mentality problem. You’d never be able to do something like this so most likely you can’t wrap that concept around your head. It wasn’t forced at all. SL was the only one there and I had my fun.

On May 25 2015 16:04 Tictock wrote:
Last point. Look at plots last reads post one last time...
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On May 25 2015 08:29 plotspot wrote:
TOWN READ:
Sicklucker: I admit I might be biased here, from his early posts on D1 4 hours into the game. I had the feeling he really thought about the game and was wondering how to progress it. From then on it was just his natural style, dropping in, posting in streaks, discussing stuff with people online and then vanishing again. I felt he was genuine, it was his style. Ok starting from post 357 (on my sheet) he starts to randomly scum leaning people without providing long-winded reasons. I guess he has me sold when he scumleaned Rels, who I admitted I thought was scum for reasons I posted. So yeah to D1 I think he is town.
Disformation: I originally scummed him for his first 3 hours, but as I went on reading more of him, I felt he had this sort of “I’m not sure about this or that”. He is one of the most active, but combine it anxiety for search and a slight bit of uncertainty lingering in his posts, I can only see him as town. Right now I am aware that he sort of has gotten into a battle with Boxerfred, so I will look into this more deeper.

Bill Murray: I believe this guy. He just doesn’t give a crap, yeah he might not be a helpful town (though you never know, he might have a reason to stay more low-key), but mafia? I’ll consider if other options have run out.

Tictock: oh yeah Tictock. I totally believe he is town. He is too active, too anxious. I feel he is almost to impatient to get results and reads in. In my opinion he would help town even more if he paced down a little bit. I believe mafia can use his wind to sailstab other townies if he isn’t careful. Just my opinion. But there, town. I’ve overcome his strangeness somewhat and believe it to be wrong chemistry if we misread eachother.

Breshke: Do I need to elaborate on this case? He has a sharp mind and is noticing and questioning things I can only say in retrospect: yeah good point. If Breshke is mafia, we are all dead.

Boxerfred: Is town because his stream-of-consiousness way of posting. I cannot imagine mafia being able to simulate this. He thinks:”hmm how can I solve this, oh right there was this thing I didn’t consider *posts*,… ah wait this thing too *post*. Beside that he had the slip about the coaching thread. I cannot imagine you would plan this as mafia. No way. The way I guess he is in some sort of heat with Disinformation is due to they both being uncertain and in a way naturally biased on how to perceive certain things. But I will look into N1 soon.

Regarding 27ninjabunnies, Sulfurus, Batsnacks and Barakos, while I was able to “deeply” the others these were the ones I couldn’t confidently read. This is where I need to filter-read them. If you were to pin me down now, I’d say BS and BA slight town read. SU and 27 slight scum. But let’s see.


Notice anything missing? Thats right, scum reads. He says Sul and 27nb are "slight scum" but that's it. Then the rest of his posts since are stuff with SL and then nothing... just another townread on me and responds to BS about his charts. This is another person who is very clearly not trying to find scum, in fact he spent more time explaining why he was GOING to scum read a confirmed town than he's spent trying to find scum today.

Yeah you probably noticed the reason by now. I was preparing for a scum read on Rels when the results blew up on my face. I wanted still to post some reading results based on the effort I did so far. Naturally containing no scumread. I asked for time to read 27ninjabunnies, Sulfurus, Batsnacks and Barakos. Why does it look like I’m not scum hunting, when I'm still willing to look into others but couldn't just do yet due to time reasons?
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
May 25 2015 11:32 GMT
#966
On May 25 2015 09:32 sicklucker wrote:
6) disformation- He was the counter wagon to a mafia so hes safe for today. I really dont read him well I would have to reread his last game. Not voting today

So at least this is mutual.
For me it feels like you get on your PC and throw a coin to decide if you want to look scummy or towny that day. xD

On May 25 2015 14:14 Sulfurus wrote:
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On May 24 2015 19:57 disformation wrote:
Sulfurus:

1)
On May 24 2015 06:04 Sulfurus wrote:
For me the the person with the most useful reads and my top town is Barakos; he was the one who helped me townread Breshke and scumread Disformation with this post, he has shown a healthy suspicion of NinjaBunnies, and he influenced me to un-vote BM, along with SL, with his coinflip argument (for the record I still think SL is town).]

In the bolded post Barakos talks about sicklucker not me.


Whoops I believe that should be a link to post 264

Okay. That was a while ago, do still think this applies?

On May 25 2015 14:14 Sulfurus wrote:
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2)
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On May 24 2015 15:04 Sulfurus wrote:
@Breshke I'll reread one more time and then I'll answer.

I'd like him to follow up on this.

3)
He also totally ignored my case/push on him. Maybe because I was the only one seeing something in this?

Don't get me wrong, he has a bunch of stuff I like. But I'd def. like to see a more of this guy, before I can give him a solid town read.


IIRC your 'case' against me is that I called Bill Murray 'mislynch bait' which came off as TMI to you. TBH I don't actually know if Bill is town or not but I thought that term sounded better then 'lynch bait' since bait is usually a kind of trap you don't want to get caught in (think fishing) but we want to lynch mafia not avoid it (hopefully that makes sense.

Fair enough. Fun fact: In my first game here (NSM IX) I did a very similar thing and called player a) misslynch, because I suspected player b) of being mafia for pushing player a). A vet called me out for calling player a) a misslynch and I had to explain that. So I just wanted to throw that at you and look at your reaction.

Thanks for answering.

On May 25 2015 14:14 Sulfurus wrote:
As for Sicklucker I feel he has been so busy defending himself that he hasn't been able to give any useful reads and Rels gave a very good accusation of him here so I don't think I will bother defending and I may even vote on him if it comes down to it.

@Bill Murray I don't quite understand why you rescinded your vote off of SL. Can you please explain?

I am not sure I understand this.
Sicklucker is under too much pressure to do good town work? would't that that he is town and we should give him a chance?
Why would you defend him? Why are you not voting him? Yesterday you were like "kill him 100%".
On May 24 2015 14:46 Sulfurus wrote:
I predict that if cop receives a town check on SL people will accuse him of being GF/SK and lynch him anyway, so cop should not check him.

A vigi shot on him is fine since the only way town doesn't kill him is if he claims a role.

Also... do you dislike the idea of him being cop checked, because you know he is town?

I also have no idea what your current reads are like...
Me no likes.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
May 25 2015 11:43 GMT
#967
On May 25 2015 14:26 Tictock wrote:
Just in case that's STILL not enough for you. His posts so far D2 are just filled with lies and misinformation.
This post was directed at Dis (proof)
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On May 25 2015 08:04 sicklucker wrote:
I said I was considering voting you did I ever tho? no because before I voted you I read your filter and decided you were not a great vote and then I lynched scum.

Oh really?
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On May 23 2015 13:14 sicklucker wrote:
one of bunnies or disinfo are scum

probably disinfo

This was back when SL thought bolding peoples names was voting for them. Bre had to remind him this is not 2+2.


This part is not entirely true. His read progression on me is:
1) cheap town read.
2) scum after he asks for my reads
3) does his fail vote on me you quoted
4) unvotes / unscums me after skimming my filter and votes scott

So that looks legit. The problem I have is:
On May 24 2015 19:15 sicklucker wrote:
The standard play is not to lynch people who have not voted because their getting mod killed anyway. We got lucky I was bizzy at deadline and didnt get the lynch on disinfo because that would have been the smarter play not knowing scot was mafia

So he would have tried to lynch me (who he previously unscumed)? Though I could have still been null to him or something. Apparently he has some problems figuring me out, which might be the reason for that...

I am going to try and figure out all read progressions by sicklucker now... which might take a bit. His filter is really long.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6051 Posts
May 25 2015 11:49 GMT
#968
Ugh, couldn't fall asleep so I'm back to lurking I guess.

@Dis
Reread that quote of me you made there. My whole point was the SL made a boldfaced lie that 3) never happened.
I can take that responsibility.
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
May 25 2015 11:56 GMT
#969
On May 25 2015 19:55 batsnacks wrote:
SL what do you think of baraka? Maybe something other than that you green checked him.


idk why do you think I fake checked him of all people. SO I didnt have to read his filter untill the next day. Procrastination is my game
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
May 25 2015 11:57 GMT
#970
On May 25 2015 20:05 boxerfred wrote:
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On May 25 2015 16:39 Tictock wrote:
BF is definitely town from his push EoN on Dis. I actually like the exchange between the two that happens.

On May 25 2015 04:39 boxerfred wrote:
You start tryharding on me. I couldn't say too much on your argumentation before (when Rels started to call out my "I'm a newb" posts) because I saw myself in a bad light and thus tried to do better, which worked - you started to warm up on me. If you still lean me towards scum, I have to assume that you're actively trying to get me lynched, making you SK or scum. So far, I've been really defending myself in a passive way but by now I feel like you're way too aggressive towards other persons, while you keep defending yourself with lots of smileys, trying to make people think positive about you. You accept arguments from others with smiley faces too, acting like you're a gentleman who, even in disagreement, acknowledges the effort/quality/whatever in his opponent's post. You're not a newbie and thus far, you managed to not get yourself into the line of fire very well.


@BF
I totally get where you are coming from on this, and it's not a bad read. However if this is still an important point to you I'd suggest you breifly skim Dis's filter in the last newbie game here.

He uses the simlies AND gets scum read for it in that game as well. However he was Town Doc that game. The smiles are simply a part of his writing style are are completely NAI (Not Alignment Indicative).

Okay I can see that. Also, his usage of smileys really seems to not be based on the intention of a post so I take that as granted. I moved away from the scum lean already anyways but I don't think I'll drop the SK lean. I have to reread the sicklucker things, it's really confusing (since I can only quickscan the thread today until like 7-8 hours from now on).

As I understood it, people want to start a train on either sicklucker or bunnies. Having such a clear train for two different persons, started by two different persons, I'd say that the cop actually hit a scum member this night and wants to get that guy lynched without indicating who he himself is. Is that a far fetched theory or could that be the truth?


no and thats kind of role hunting bro
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
May 25 2015 12:00 GMT
#971
On May 25 2015 20:43 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2015 14:26 Tictock wrote:
Just in case that's STILL not enough for you. His posts so far D2 are just filled with lies and misinformation.
This post was directed at Dis (proof)
On May 25 2015 08:04 sicklucker wrote:
I said I was considering voting you did I ever tho? no because before I voted you I read your filter and decided you were not a great vote and then I lynched scum.

Oh really?
On May 23 2015 13:14 sicklucker wrote:
one of bunnies or disinfo are scum

probably disinfo

This was back when SL thought bolding peoples names was voting for them. Bre had to remind him this is not 2+2.


This part is not entirely true. His read progression on me is:
1) cheap town read.
2) scum after he asks for my reads
3) does his fail vote on me you quoted
4) unvotes / unscums me after skimming my filter and votes scott

So that looks legit. The problem I have is:
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On May 24 2015 19:15 sicklucker wrote:
The standard play is not to lynch people who have not voted because their getting mod killed anyway. We got lucky I was bizzy at deadline and didnt get the lynch on disinfo because that would have been the smarter play not knowing scot was mafia

So he would have tried to lynch me (who he previously unscumed)? Though I could have still been null to him or something. Apparently he has some problems figuring me out, which might be the reason for that...

I am going to try and figure out all read progressions by sicklucker now... which might take a bit. His filter is really long.


ya if i was mafia... but im town thats my whole point. typcically people dont vote on people who didnt vote yet because they get mod killed. If I was with scott I would use this excuse to get you lynched. A 1for 1 trade since scott would get modkilled after.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
May 25 2015 12:00 GMT
#972
On May 25 2015 20:56 sicklucker wrote:
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On May 25 2015 19:55 batsnacks wrote:
SL what do you think of baraka? Maybe something other than that you green checked him.


idk why do you think I fake checked him of all people. SO I didnt have to read his filter untill the next day. Procrastination is my game


Well you said you had a scum lean on him and I do too so I was curious.
plotspot
Profile Joined October 2014
800 Posts
May 25 2015 12:06 GMT
#973
On May 25 2015 18:58 plotspot wrote:
Are you trying to deliberately read me wrong? I clearly ranged the time from 4h00h to 5h00 (this is p11) where SL dominated the thread with conversation. This was a sign of town slip for me, like Boxerfred town-slipping when he mentions his coaching QT. At never a moment did I say “I stress SL’s play from 0h00 to 4:00” as my ground to read him, but you accuse me of doing that in your bolded part. Why?


This was absolutely not clear from the post I quoted.

Please show me the posts SL made that so impressed you. This will avoid me getting confused.[/quote]

1.” This was absolutely not clear from the post I quoted.”
Wat? I said the first time: “At around 4 hours into the game he seemed to have an hour where he dominates the thread with conversation”
I said the 2nd time: “from his early posts on D1 4 hours into the game”. “from his early posts THAT STARTED on D1 4 hours into the game”
Ok the second post is a bit ambiguous whether I mean 04:00+ or I mean 00:00 to 04:00, but if you combine with what I said the first time. I clearly stress on the time from 04:00 to 05:00.
What I think funny about this game in general is like some people thinking: “man I’m the king, I’m cryptic, I’m careful, I’m good. But if I catch some scum it’s because he is stupid, makes stupid mistakes I would never do, slips regularly on the easiest logics”. If you applied your logic to me would you make such a stupid mistake and be inconsistent saying one time in the first post and a completely different time in another post? Isn’t it a bit too easy to catch scum like this?

2. Which posts did impress me?: There wasn’t one single post. He had a streak of consecutive posts where he tries to interact with BM, Breshke, Sulfurus and even freakin Scott. I like I said I had the feeling he tries to solve the game, making a bit more effort than “usually” (from what I saw), that’s why I townread him.

On May 25 2015 19:10 Tictock wrote:

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On May 25 2015 18:58 plotspot wrote:
It was not to posture up for the SL read later. It was just naturally that I mentioned Rels in combination with SL because at that time (before EoD1) only he and me thought Rels could flip scum.


Your right, that part is just me filling in some gaps. Still felt freaking weird how you post all that while also not being convinced that mafia NK'd him. Just don't understand motive as town there.


I just bickered with Breshke for some technicalities (it’s Breshke). Minor thing. I did say later that I was pretty sure Rels was mafia NKed.

On May 25 2015 19:10 Tictock wrote:

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On May 25 2015 18:58 plotspot wrote:
Also please specify here: “Do these points sound like anybody else we know?” Who do you mean? You pick out 2 points from this list and use it to compare a whole person, ignoring the rest of the points? What is that method? From what I can see you try too hard to read me, without really understanding how I roll, so you’re like ignoring 50% just only picking out the 50% that suits you.


The two points I bolded, which you were scumming him for, also apply very strongly to SL. Any opinions?


I didn’t scum Rels for these 2 points only, it’s a complete package of the image I had of Rels, and these were only my notes. I wasn’t thinking they would explode on my face, when I posted them just as a closure to how far I got with the Rels read.
“giving orders to others” is a really vague term to feast on, like basically anybody asking others to clarify could be giving them orders. It was just something peculiar about his “I like this I like that, you do this, I expect this, you still have to answer this” like some scum letting others do the work while they just observe what to make of it next, that I thought Rels was scum (exactly like jarjarbinks in my NB VII game). Same words but the style doesn’t apply to LS at all. But you cannot read which style I mean by just looking at “giving orders to others”.
About the second one “Rels looks like he can handle any sudden change, there is nothing clouding his mind”. This is a bit similar to the first point. Rels looks like some sort of commander handling the battlefield. Not a style I see in LS, he just reacts to you guys, while certainly being strategically in his own way. This style sense is hard to explain.
But yeah, I think you shouldn’t read deeper into my notes, as some sort of Jesus has spoken. There is so much more I imply in there which cannot be explained easily, especially if you picked out convenient parts for your case support.

LOL Tictock, I can only repeat. Don't tunnel so hard on someone you can't understand yet. Stand back and consider you might be wrong, this will help town, I guarantee you.
plotspot
Profile Joined October 2014
800 Posts
May 25 2015 12:07 GMT
#974
OK forget that post above me. It's a format fail. I repost a right version soon.
plotspot
Profile Joined October 2014
800 Posts
May 25 2015 12:09 GMT
#975
On May 25 2015 19:10 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2015 18:58 plotspot wrote:
Are you trying to deliberately read me wrong? I clearly ranged the time from 4h00h to 5h00 (this is p11) where SL dominated the thread with conversation. This was a sign of town slip for me, like Boxerfred town-slipping when he mentions his coaching QT. At never a moment did I say “I stress SL’s play from 0h00 to 4:00” as my ground to read him, but you accuse me of doing that in your bolded part. Why?


This was absolutely not clear from the post I quoted.

Please show me the posts SL made that so impressed you. This will avoid me getting confused.


1.” This was absolutely not clear from the post I quoted.”
Wat? I said the first time: “At around 4 hours into the game he seemed to have an hour where he dominates the thread with conversation”
I said the 2nd time: “from his early posts on D1 4 hours into the game”. “from his early posts THAT STARTED on D1 4 hours into the game”
Ok the second post is a bit ambiguous whether I mean 04:00+ or I mean 00:00 to 04:00, but if you combine with what I said the first time. I clearly stress on the time from 04:00 to 05:00.
What I think funny about this game in general is like some people thinking: “man I’m the king, I’m cryptic, I’m careful, I’m good. But if I catch some scum it’s because he is stupid, makes stupid mistakes I would never do, slips regularly on the easiest logics”. If you applied your logic to me would you make such a stupid mistake and be inconsistent saying one time in the first post and a completely different time in another post? Isn’t it a bit too easy to catch scum like this?

2. Which posts did impress me?: There wasn’t one single post. He had a streak of consecutive posts where he tries to interact with BM, Breshke, Sulfurus and even freakin Scott. I like I said I had the feeling he tries to solve the game, making a bit more effort than “usually” (from what I saw), that’s why I townread him.

On May 25 2015 19:10 Tictock wrote:

Show nested quote +
On May 25 2015 18:58 plotspot wrote:
It was not to posture up for the SL read later. It was just naturally that I mentioned Rels in combination with SL because at that time (before EoD1) only he and me thought Rels could flip scum.


Your right, that part is just me filling in some gaps. Still felt freaking weird how you post all that while also not being convinced that mafia NK'd him. Just don't understand motive as town there.


I just bickered with Breshke for some technicalities (it’s Breshke). Minor thing. I did say later that I was pretty sure Rels was mafia NKed.

On May 25 2015 19:10 Tictock wrote:

Show nested quote +
On May 25 2015 18:58 plotspot wrote:
Also please specify here: “Do these points sound like anybody else we know?” Who do you mean? You pick out 2 points from this list and use it to compare a whole person, ignoring the rest of the points? What is that method? From what I can see you try too hard to read me, without really understanding how I roll, so you’re like ignoring 50% just only picking out the 50% that suits you.


The two points I bolded, which you were scumming him for, also apply very strongly to SL. Any opinions?


I didn’t scum Rels for these 2 points only, it’s a complete package of the image I had of Rels, and these were only my notes. I wasn’t thinking they would explode on my face, when I posted them just as a closure to how far I got with the Rels read.
“giving orders to others” is a really vague term to feast on, like basically anybody asking others to clarify could be giving them orders. It was just something peculiar about his “I like this I like that, you do this, I expect this, you still have to answer this” like some scum letting others do the work while they just observe what to make of it next, that I thought Rels was scum (exactly like jarjarbinks in my NB VII game). Same words but the style doesn’t apply to LS at all. But you cannot read which style I mean by just looking at “giving orders to others”.
About the second one “Rels looks like he can handle any sudden change, there is nothing clouding his mind”. This is a bit similar to the first point. Rels looks like some sort of commander handling the battlefield. Not a style I see in LS, he just reacts to you guys, while certainly being strategically in his own way. This style sense is hard to explain.
But yeah, I think you shouldn’t read deeper into my notes, as some sort of Jesus has spoken. There is so much more I imply in there which cannot be explained easily, especially if you picked out convenient parts for your case support.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6051 Posts
May 25 2015 12:25 GMT
#976
@ Plots I can't tell if your legit not reading what I've posted or trying to confuse matters. Let me straighten some stuff out.

Ok it’s nice of you trying to read me, but do you have a feeling for time? Get your facts straight out first, maybe?
I scumread Dis entirely based on the 6 hours, and I even emphasized it when I made that read. Why did I vote for him? I freakin ran out of time. I posted my first sheet with 6 hours game info 28 hours into D1 and had a hard time catching up. Somewhere between 28hours and EoD (48hours), as I continued with my sheet I was more and more townreading Dis. Why didn’t I bother switching? Because it didn’t matter, as Scott was clearly the lynch that day. This is a kind of philosophy that I know some people do not agree to, they consider voting as some sort of taking stance, even if doesn’t matter to the end result. They probably don’t want to face the shit of others asking them “meh if you think he is town why don’t you switch”. My response: it didn’t matter that time. My read progressed on Dis from scum to town. He is not in danger of getting lynched. It is fine as it is. Do you understand Tictock? Do you understand my reasoning, even if you think it’s strange or don’t agree to this sort of mentality? Can you accept this as some sort of logical sequence and not a ploy of ploy to be deceptive?


Lol, my facts were straight, I simply broke my case up kus it would have been one giant wall of text. I posted and proded in between kus I felt like it. I did end my first post on you with
I have more to come, but that feels like enough for one post.

So you were reading Dis as town EoD and were just too lazy to switch your vote. Ok I get being lazy. However it doesn't seem like good logic as town to leave your vote on a townread though. Kus then some mean guy on the internet is gunna call you scum when you later try to say he was a townread.

1. the first time SL defended me: I feel like he isn’t really defending me that much. He is just pointing out the obvious, while he has his active phase in the thread. For you it was not obvious because you were suspicious of me. Besides, Breshke also figured out the obvious. You spun too much from a simple good night post from me.

Yea, that's possible, but it was the only thing you had posted. I've said multiple times this game that I deal with inactive people by reading their posts twice as hard.

2. the second time SL “defended” me: I think he is overreacting in his natural way to the effort I made. Do you really think he wouldn’t vote me if he thinks I’m scum? Like he keeps forever to his caption: “never lynch PL never ever”? Do you think SL is that stupid? No possible way it was SL posting strategically for something?

First good point I've seen you make. Yes of course SL is overstating things like he always does here. My point was that all those posted taken together is quite the amount of posts by him dedicated to you. Given that you've been doing this kind of analysis all game I thought you'd have picked up on that.

3. “That BOLDED PART never happened”: Yeah because I don’t have the time yet. I haven’t closely looked at him N1 yet. N1 something seemed to have happened why everyone thinks he is scum. As I posted earlier I’m willing to look at it.

Nope sorry. There was a clear order to things.
You read SL town D1. Said you might relook at his posts. Then posted your D2 reads once again Town reading SL, THEN he made that post. He had every sign that you were townreading him. The fact that you keep defending him on this makes me wonder why you are so protective of him.

4. “Humm, even if plots thinks SL is town, why is he defending SL here? Shouldn't town!plots go "Hey wait, why is he saying that I'm pushing him when I just townread him" rather than "oh of course my buddy SL was thinking I was going to do this kus of stuff I said earlier" ?”
You again didn’t get your facts straight. Why would I be saying "Hey wait, why is he saying that I'm pushing him when I just townread him". That would make no sense. I said I was going to look on him closer N1 even though I townread him for D1. He reads it and says he expects me to push him. Why is this illogical?

Because looking closer at someone =/= pushing them. Again your making a logical leap FOR SL.

5. Why did I “defend” him there when he could have resolved it himself: 2 reasons. I was in a posting streak. Plus it was Breshke who raises this point and not some noob. I was sure to correct Breshke as a valuable town member, preventing him from going off. I also corrected Breshke on a point earlier.

Why the hostility to noobs here? I'm not reading into this, just... wierd. Oh is this against me?
Again, why so defensive of SL? Why not let SL defend SL, you doing it for him suggests you have some connection to him. If the both of you are town, there is no way you 100% know SL is town.

6. My joking with SL: I explained about it very clearly here.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24311053
But I see. It’s a mentality problem. You’d never be able to do something like this so most likely you can’t wrap that concept around your head. It wasn’t forced at all. SL was the only one there and I had my fun.

So this is your explanation, I did misread it before. I missed the bolded line
This is why I think you're town TT. I can explain it, but will you believe me? I was relaxing from the stress and SL is the only one with the kind of posting style I can do it with. Posting crap like that with you would be impossible. I say please, please consider that you could be wrong. Please.


Possibly because the next line (italics) caught my attn much more. I'll give you a pass on assuming I'm impossible to reason with or talk to. Though in my defense you've never tried.

Yeah you probably noticed the reason by now. I was preparing for a scum read on Rels when the results blew up on my face. I wanted still to post some reading results based on the effort I did so far. Naturally containing no scumread. I asked for time to read 27ninjabunnies, Sulfurus, Batsnacks and Barakos. Why does it look like I’m not scum hunting, when I'm still willing to look into others but couldn't just do yet due to time reasons?

Not sure why you bring up Rels again here but w/e. And to answer the bolded question, Kus your not finding scum!

More seriously because you post that and haven't done much about it. Tbh you'd have sold me much better on you being town by having spent time doing that rather than responding to my case.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6051 Posts
May 25 2015 12:28 GMT
#977
On May 25 2015 20:57 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2015 20:05 boxerfred wrote:
On May 25 2015 16:39 Tictock wrote:
BF is definitely town from his push EoN on Dis. I actually like the exchange between the two that happens.

On May 25 2015 04:39 boxerfred wrote:
You start tryharding on me. I couldn't say too much on your argumentation before (when Rels started to call out my "I'm a newb" posts) because I saw myself in a bad light and thus tried to do better, which worked - you started to warm up on me. If you still lean me towards scum, I have to assume that you're actively trying to get me lynched, making you SK or scum. So far, I've been really defending myself in a passive way but by now I feel like you're way too aggressive towards other persons, while you keep defending yourself with lots of smileys, trying to make people think positive about you. You accept arguments from others with smiley faces too, acting like you're a gentleman who, even in disagreement, acknowledges the effort/quality/whatever in his opponent's post. You're not a newbie and thus far, you managed to not get yourself into the line of fire very well.


@BF
I totally get where you are coming from on this, and it's not a bad read. However if this is still an important point to you I'd suggest you breifly skim Dis's filter in the last newbie game here.

He uses the simlies AND gets scum read for it in that game as well. However he was Town Doc that game. The smiles are simply a part of his writing style are are completely NAI (Not Alignment Indicative).

Okay I can see that. Also, his usage of smileys really seems to not be based on the intention of a post so I take that as granted. I moved away from the scum lean already anyways but I don't think I'll drop the SK lean. I have to reread the sicklucker things, it's really confusing (since I can only quickscan the thread today until like 7-8 hours from now on).

As I understood it, people want to start a train on either sicklucker or bunnies. Having such a clear train for two different persons, started by two different persons, I'd say that the cop actually hit a scum member this night and wants to get that guy lynched without indicating who he himself is. Is that a far fetched theory or could that be the truth?


no and thats kind of role hunting bro


Yea stop it, that's something SL would never do!
+ Show Spoiler +
On May 24 2015 07:14 sicklucker wrote:
If your a town veg and dont know who to shoot you can just hardclaim now and discuss it without a roleblocker.

Confirmed not veg dont shoot me mafia. Out for the night in a few



@BF it's pretty WIFOM without claims having been made. That is to say, your having to make too many assumptions for that to be a solid theory.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6051 Posts
May 25 2015 12:39 GMT
#978
On May 25 2015 21:09 plotspot wrote:
What I think funny about this game in general is like some people thinking: “man I’m the king, I’m cryptic, I’m careful, I’m good. But if I catch some scum it’s because he is stupid, makes stupid mistakes I would never do, slips regularly on the easiest logics”. If you applied your logic to me would you make such a stupid mistake and be inconsistent saying one time in the first post and a completely different time in another post? Isn’t it a bit too easy to catch scum like this?


Lol you really do have such a low opinion of me for scumming you, huh?

I'm hunting for scum by pointing out inconsistencies, slips of logic, and things that don't make sense to me. I'm also putting pressure on people who say these things because I want to try and understand if they are just townies making plays I don't understand or are really motivated by being scum.

So if my thinking is so bad, should I be trying this spreadsheet thing? Is that still working for you? What ways do you suggest we find scum?
I can take that responsibility.
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
May 25 2015 12:42 GMT
#979
Why havn't more people given an opinion on bunnies?
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6051 Posts
May 25 2015 12:42 GMT
#980
I think it's funny how SL and plots are trying to paint me as some runaway train that can't be stopped.

Anyone around want to chat? Apparently I'm not sleeping tonight.
I can take that responsibility.
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