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On April 17 2015 12:23 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2015 12:18 prplhz wrote:
like i'm not going to say i'm not slightly salty because you lynched both of my noob town reads over my noob scum read but i know that it's also on me. i'm not exactly good at arguing or explaining or drumming up support. Would you prefer that I lynched you instead? And jarjarbinks, I'd greatly prefer to lynch Tubesock over prplhz here. I could see prplhz being town without too much effort, I have much more trouble seeing Tubesock as town.
I'm fine with that. I think we need to come to a consensus here though so scum doesn't have a chance to pull a fast one last minute. especially without all of town around to stop it.
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i'm not going to be here for deadline, need to leave several hours earlier.
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I'm gonna be out for the night in a few. I'll check in the morning before work, lunch, and hopefully right before EOD to make sure my vote isn't wasted here
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so i was gonna make a nice fancy post and all lol >< but that's just not my style (and the formatting always gets me ><) i think i'm generally easy to understand and straightforward anyway
i'd rather vote bourneq over tubesock, even though both stand as scum pretty much on their own lol >< for a few reasons
bourneq's read progression on prp is pretty wonky. he scumreads him practically all game with one notable exception, but never tries to push for the lynch until all the easy newbie mislynches are exhausted:
+ Show Spoiler +On April 10 2015 21:24 Bourneq wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2015 21:20 prplhz wrote:On April 10 2015 21:17 Bourneq wrote:On April 10 2015 21:11 prplhz wrote:
nothing
he is prodded he shows up and says whatever
more of the same Meanwhile you have mainly been pushing a lynch on me since first days page based soley on me answering to your vote on me. From reading your filter you seem to have mainly been defending yourself in the same fashion when having been voted on and making jokes and from what I can tell not contributing that much to getting some serious mafia reads. and what do you make of that? Obviously I am leaning towards scum on you. On April 11 2015 02:32 Bourneq wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2015 02:28 prplhz wrote:
OMGUS means he thinks you're calling me scum because i'm calling you scum
he's saying you have decent arguments but unfortunately he has a hard time believing them because he thinks maybe you're just calling me scum because i'm calling you scum I was not calling you scum untill late today, you had a fair reason to bring to attention that I was acting strange at the beginning for mainly just answering to pokes. But my poiny lately is that I have been over why that was the case and you're still going after me like I slayed you family in cold blood or something. I find that odd behaviour if you were town. You were fine in my back untill a few pages back. I know that I stated this before, but the bolded phrase seems like a stark overreaction lol >< considering prp was fairly matter-of-fact about his scumread, if blunt On April 11 2015 22:30 Bourneq wrote:On to my prplhz read. At the start he was questioning tbd a little, he even asked for tbd's reads but did not get any. Then magicaly he goes for his defence with this Show nested quote +On April 10 2015 09:09 prplhz wrote:
bloodydwarf comes in here and says some weird shit about cops saving him. that seems very poorly thought out and like it's just something his fingers wrote and then he pressed enter. doesn't seem like something scum would just say. considering that scum know the setup i imagine they'd actually be inclined not to talk about it if they can avoid it. This also bugs me Show nested quote +On April 11 2015 03:01 prplhz wrote:
dunno if you're my top townies right now but you seem alright and if you agree that's probably a good sign
maybe bloodydwarf is my top town read but i'm not sheeping him How can TBD be anybodys top town read? This just seemed really unmotivated. Changing his vote too look more in tune with the town. I dont recall seeing prpl changing his tune on hts so why this sudden change of heart? Show nested quote +On April 11 2015 02:31 prplhz wrote:
welll i'm just going to drop bourneq for now he's beginning to put in some effort so maybe he's town who knows. anyway, i'm not getting anywhere with it so i'm just going to drop it.
He then drops his crusade against me when seeing a lack of support. It looks to me like he is afraid of looking scum. Show nested quote +On April 11 2015 02:28 prplhz wrote:
OMGUS means he thinks you're calling me scum because i'm calling you scum
he's saying you have decent arguments but unfortunately he has a hard time believing them because he thinks maybe you're just calling me scum because i'm calling you scum I never called him scum before that post. So why is he fabricating a OMGUS response from me? this was absolutely the best analysis that Bourneq brought to the thread :/ and reads very much like prplhz is his top scumread On April 11 2015 22:36 Bourneq wrote:
A last thing before I go about prplhz. He seems to be all over the place but not contributing a whole lot. I will have to think about it carefully today but he is not likely to be voted on by me today. convenient if they're double-bussing lol >< On April 14 2015 22:04 Bourneq wrote:
Prplhz activity in d2 is really poor. He has been consistent in 2 things, defending dwarf and trying to lynch the 1 person I can be absolut sure is town. D2 he seems to be sure about his scum read on stutters yet pushes a lynch on me instead. On April 15 2015 04:20 Bourneq wrote:
I have always looked closely on prplhz but when I made a case against him I was acused of OMGUS so I dont think I would be the best person to make a good case against him. Comparing his filter to Dwarfs made me settle on a dwarf lynch seeing dwarf has contributed nothing. this in response to stutters trying to get prp lynched? >< lol...what does a case have to do with voting to lynch the one player he's consistently scumread and still apparently believes is scum? On April 15 2015 06:06 Bourneq wrote:Well prplhz has been defending dwarf the entire game, do you think he would do that knowing he would be very likely to be lynched anyway? I give prpl a lot of town points for that. On April 16 2015 06:34 Bourneq wrote:
Oh good grief. To answer hts's doubts on me, I was concidering changing my vote on tbd at EoD2 to prplhz but decided against it because 1. I am terrible, and 2. I really belived tbd was scum. I had doubts on prplhz because I thought a lot of my suspicions were grounded in him trying his very best to kill me.
Well now I don't have any doubts about prplhz. I should of lynched him while I had the chance. On April 16 2015 06:58 Bourneq wrote:
A no lynch could make sense. But I think our case against prplhz is absolutely lynch worthy. He has pushed both hts and stutters but not got his way. Now they are dead. He defended dwarf most likely to get some town cred to his name after we surely lynch him. He has pushed a lynch on me since I got of on a bad footing and is the newbie that would be easy to be made to look bad. I don't concider his reads or most of his posts to have been helpfull to town at all. He also wasted his vote D2. Not to mention all the other reads against him like the one hts did. I feel very confident in lynching prplhz. admittedly i can see how he goes from towning prp to wanting to lynch him based on this explanation lol >< On April 16 2015 21:39 Bourneq wrote:
Good morning everybody. Read 12pages now and I have a few comments. First off,
I am vanilla town. So the claims are problably legit.
Secondly, the evidence against prplhz has mounted up for quite a while now.
##Vote prplhz
I am very confident that he will flip scum. ^ perhaps the one redeeming factor here is he actually did eventually decide to actually lynch his top scumread
on top of this, his filter dropped off massively after day 1...something like 10-15% of it occurs after EoD, he's never around during the night phase, he doesn't move his vote at all once he's voted (especially for new scum, finding reasons to change your vote would be daunting)...it's also not unusual to tunnel/buss as newbie scum if the player is insecure
as for tube lol >< points against him are
- his activity level seems much lower than in the town games i've played with him
- his early filter was pretty sheepy of whoever was in the thread until he came out with his tinfoil theory
- one post in particular stood out to me as adding nothing but the narrative he chose to present based on scumreads...i don't see how he arrived at these from the voting analysis, and if it wasn't voting analysis, then why include the votecounts? + Show Spoiler +On April 16 2015 18:01 Tubesock wrote:I think I know what's going on. While I think I'm right, I will acknowledge I was wrong on TheBloodyDwarf. I don't always get all the scum, but I at least get two. Anyway, what I'm thinking. Soren333 was widely towned. Others too probably but I think he was the most towned. In his filter he scummed TheBloodyDwarf, Onegu, Prplhz, Slotspot, and Bourneq. Holyflare subs in. So, doubly obvious night kill. Half the Sky was also widely towned. Trfel and many others of you already agreed she was the obvious night kill. What were her big things? Big case on Onegu. Who was under suspicion? Breshke. Who was scumread? Bourneq. Plotspot. Show nested quote +On April 12 2015 06:01 LoneMeow wrote:
plotspot the Vanilla Townie is lynched!
Final vote count:
TheBloodyDwarf (1): Soren333, Breshke, Tubesock, The Shining, Tubesock
Breshke (0): Onegu
The Shining (1): plotspot
Bourneq (0): prplhz
plotspot (7): Onegu, Breshke, rsoultin, prplhz, Bourneq, Soren333, Stutters695, jarjarbinks, Half the Sky, Onegu
prplhz (0): TheBloodyDwarf
Stutters695 (4): prplhz, Tubesock, TheBloodyDwarf, Half the Sky
Here's Half the Sky's assessment of Onegu's vote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/480171-newbie-student-mafia-vii?page=61#1220 I also think that Onegu's vote on Breshke was a joke. He didn't say hardly anything about it (typical Onegu behavior though) and then came in calling us idiots for not being on the "scumclaim". I asked him where his vote was and then "oh "forgot" ##Vote:  lotspot. I think he was obviously looking to change his vote, that vote wasn't serious at all. Patterns.... TheBloodyDwarf Show nested quote +On April 15 2015 06:01 LoneMeow wrote:
TheBloodyDwarf the Vanilla Townie is lynched!
Final vote count:
TheBloodyDwarf (5): Bourneq, The Shining, Tubesock, rsoultin, Trfel
Breshke (0): rsoultin
The Shining (1): Breshke , rsoultin, Trfel , TheBloodyDwarf
Bourneq (1): prplhz
Half the Sky (0): prplhz, rsoultin, Tubesock
prplhz (4): Stutters695, jarjarbinks, Half the Sky, Breshke
Stutters695 (0): Breshke
Stutters695 while vigi shot, there is still information. It's not as solid or anything, but things of note. He scummed Breshke. Trfel also said Stuters695 was on his most suspicious list before Stutters died. Breshke last words about Stutters while alive were "I can't vote him now but I hope I don't regret it." then votes The Shining. I'll have individual cases on the three as well tomorrow. We have time to talk about it.
what gives me pause is the bloody dwarf scumread lol, the tone of that read seemed very much to me like excited town thinking they'd caught something very clever, and supports why he kept pushing TBD for two days...additionally, though his play today looks super odd and his votes are completely "safe" votes if you don't take into account the possibility that he was tunneled, scumreading truffle and breshke takes balls >< lol
same as with prplhz
that said, i don't think this outweighs the earlier points against him (keeping options open comes to mind?), but i'm less sure on him than bourneq
the thing that makes me more leary of prplhz is his strong push on bourne day 1 to default to plotspot and stutters instead :/ similiarly to how bourneq apparently had a stronger scumread in prp but didn't pursue it. even day 2, he just voted bourne and disappeared without putting in any real effort to push that read
and lol...here again we see prplhz trying to lynch me instead of top scumread bourneq >< he didn't even have bourneq in his list of three until questioned about the third
i don't understand the thought-process at all -_-
regarding jjb, it's a toneread xP and it's also the fact that he's been a good deal more conversational than he was in his scumgame....he's pushing his ideas even when they get rejected. the biggest thing really though is nothing stood out to me as terrible in his posting, and every time i started to get that meh feeling while reading his filter, another good post would hit me. he could be scum here, but i really don't think so -_-
truffle lol >< eh i really don't even want to consider him as scum right now, though if he's still alive in mylo, especially if prp is scum, take a look at that day 2 EoD vote
breshke is probably town lol >< even if he fake-claimed...i can picture a hail mary as scum, but it was kind of early for that sort of play before the voting even really had gotten started
shining town, duh
prpl, if you want to discuss your jjb scumread with me, i am open to discussing it :/ cause i think he has to be scum if you're not. are you capable of discussing it with me or should i not even try?
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On April 17 2015 12:16 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2015 12:04 rsoultin wrote:On April 17 2015 11:57 prplhz wrote:On April 17 2015 11:53 rsoultin wrote:On April 17 2015 11:46 prplhz wrote:
because he was playing like a new player plays scum? super timid? and the other two guys were not playing like new players play scum? they didn't give a fuck and said weird shit all the time? this is super simple.
ace was just not there, i didn't really think anything of that. sometimes people are just not there. it happens a lot especially in new games. i did get a little suspicious because before the game he'd said something like "so stoked for this" and then BAM he gone but, again, sometimes people are not there. tonereads...what was super timid about bourneq's play? (day 1 mind you...i can pull shit on all the times he's banked on that "i'm just a newbie and don't know what I'm doing" line since EoD day 1, too) afraid to give opinion, didn't have opinions, mostly showed up when people poked him. just the way he talked seemed like he didn't want to make mistakes. look at plot and dwarf and how they talked they didn't give a fuck because that's what new people do. i mean all this is just toneready but you know about this which is also a reason i've been suspicious about you. you know what a toneread is and you should have seen that. sorry i'm pulling the "you're better than this" card because i know good people are able to have bad days, but that's just more likely in a scum. blaming TBD lynch solely on me is silly. TBD got lynched because i couldn't explain how he was town well enough for town to understand but there are two parties involved in that. -_- i'm not blaming you for the TBD lynch. i'm saying you blaming others for it like you weren't the counter-lynch is ridiculous >< no matter how sure you are about a toneread, you have to be more sure of your own alignment lol >< just because you have a toneread on someone, even one i generally agree with, doesn't mean we'll reach the same conclusions? of course i know what tonereads are! truffle almost instantly got townread by me because of it, and not for the wordy posts lol >< he's fully capable of posting long posts as scum i saw all the weird switches back and forth as not terribly afraid, for the record >< he also wasn't afraid to tell you to shove it on a post that wasn't alignment indicative. like i don't get how you go from voting for ace to saying tbd is the scummiest, but it wasn't like he was sheeping anything there because there was no time in between i'm not saying he's town, but i do find it pretty odd you had him as scum so early >< when he was arguably more active than the other two, contributing more (which also doesn't really support the timid thing?) and making some odd comments of his own. his later play is definitely timid -_- what do you want me to say? maybe i misread him as timid when he wasn't but i was right anyway because of dumb luck? i don't know? this is a toneready thing, fluffy, debatable, it's not like i had a guilty check on him or anything. i just think he looked textbook scum and the other guys looked textbook town and that you did uncharacteristically little about this claiming (falsely) that you didn't see it. or maybe i was scum thinking "i'll relentlessly push my newbie scum buddy from his very first post". i'm fairly certain you don't know this but i don't bus. find me a scum game where i bussed remotely as hard as this (protip: you can't because i don't bus, yes i know i voted palmar after he was already dead in titanic and prodded him d1 but other than that, and that's PALMAR who i know could mop the floor with me any hour of the day). maybe i decided to fuck a newbie over on his very first game? i don't know this is little unfair because i'm turning a bourneq/prplhz scumteam into an attack on my very person but i wouldn't do that, wouldn't be nice and i think i'm sort of nice? sometimes? mostly? i don't know, i'm pretty confident i wouldn't do that. maybe i have this distorted image of myself someone who tries to be nice and i find it hard that other people think i would do something like bus my newbie team mate in his first game from his first post. i'm also going to point out that my bourneq push didn't just consist of me pointing out the scummy things he did, it consisted of me repeatedly begging people to look into bourneq and convince me he was town. drawing a lot of attention to bourneq.
dude i don't know what sort of play you think i'm capable of >< picking out alignments on people i know well is my strongsuit...and my tonereads are usually informed by meta...look at any of my newbie games and stop tunneling me for some perceived god-level ability to read ><
ftr i probably wouldn't have kept my vote on plot had i actually been there, (yeah, i know, no way for you to verify this lol ><) and voting tbd had everything to do with the counterwagons and not tbd himself (something easily verified by my filter >< i also started suspecting bourne day 2 when i was considering which of the lurkers was likely scum, and people kept misconstruing my explanation of my earlier townread on him as a defense (also verifiable in my filter) >< i feel like you're holding me to a ridiculously high standard
but i will look through your scumgames...i don't intend to lynch you today, prp...i think i've already made that clear -_- it's kind of insulting you won't do my the same courtesy, but i'd actually like to win this game >< meh
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Tube people obviously do not agree with you about your scumread on myself or trefel so you either spoonfeed your analysis now or you present a scumteam or analysis on someone who isnt a un cc'd PR.
Also you saying we were on the same wavelength in JOAT is actually true. I townread you for your vote count stuff and play but then you didn't think sl was scum and thought sandroba was and you were correct but still not really the same wavelength.
I would probably also rather lynch bourne over tube but for a far worse reason than rso. I don't think tube would play like this if he was the roleblocker as it really doesn't make any sense he is probably trying to avoid a lynch on the RB because that would mean they would have to leave me who would be confirmed alive until final 3.
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ahh scrap that last paragraph he has been doing this since early in the day idk if he chooses this path that early.
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heh yes that would definitely be a worse reason than mine xP
^^; can we please settle on a lynch before prp afks? if i'm wrong and he's town >< this is gonna suck majorly and he should send me chocolates or something along with about a thousand apologies for being a tunneled ass -_- maybe a couple 100 to the rest of town lol ><
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eh nevermind :/ where is shining? he should be here lol ><
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like i'm not going to change my mind. if you're going to lynch me you might as well lynch me now.
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Im happy with a tube lynch.
Could be persuaded for a bourne lynch. I actually feel more certain on tube though.
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On April 17 2015 13:35 rsoultin wrote:
heh yes that would definitely be a worse reason than mine xP
^^; can we please settle on a lynch before prp afks? if i'm wrong and he's town >< this is gonna suck majorly and he should send me chocolates or something along with about a thousand apologies for being a tunneled ass -_- maybe a couple 100 to the rest of town lol ><
why everybody scum reads me all the time stutters was completely right when he said i flirt with lynches as any alignment in personality mafia kita made a rpplhz role based on how my lynch rate percentage is like 95% of my games lol
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prp if you think rso is scum who cares if she plans to lynch you. Im not even sure she does. Lynch tube or bourne with us.
What is your read on tube btw?
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On April 17 2015 13:47 prplhz wrote:
rso/jjb/bourneq 2015
Yeah okay so why is tube town.
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fine don't talk to me, don't reevaluate, just dick around, whatever. i hope you're scum here for more reasons than one, prp ><
@bresh...what makes you more sure on Tube? i'm fine with either really lol ><
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On April 17 2015 13:49 Breshke wrote:Yeah okay so why is tube town.
because he is doing tinfoily shit
like just look at that big post he just made on trfel and then he concluded that "trfel may be town here" and then he voted him. i don't know i think scum are more likely to think "i'm going to make a text wall with the conclusion that this dude is mafia" and with that clear aim in mind not stumble upon the words like that. i also said that the way he tinfoiled tbd and then got convinced his theory was nuts and then KEPT his scum read on tbd seemed townie.
like you're probably not getting anything out of this but those are some of the strongest reasons i think he is town.
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lol prp's tonereads this game are all anything that looks scummy/doesn't make sense = town it seems ><
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On April 17 2015 13:50 rsoultin wrote:
fine don't talk to me, don't reevaluate, just dick around, whatever. i hope you're scum here for more reasons than one, prp ><
@bresh...what makes you more sure on Tube? i'm fine with either really lol ><
meh i already talked to you a lot tonight.. do you want me to reconsider bourneq too? like there's a limit both mentally a physically on how many times someone can be reevaluated.
and i'm not done reevaluating you anyway. your alignment is literally all i think about because you're the one who's play i'm most familiar with so i think i'll have the easiest time going back on my scum read on you of all of my scum team so whenever i am thinking about this game (and you know you can't just stop thinking about a game like this) i'm considering your alignment. maybe i say stuff like "i'm really certain here" but that's an overstatement.
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