EPTFor his massive synapsis posts? He MUST DO THAT! Don't town him because he makes big posts.
None of you have asked anything about my case except for the 2 guys in it. Why?
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Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
For his massive synapsis posts? He MUST DO THAT! Don't town him because he makes big posts. None of you have asked anything about my case except for the 2 guys in it. Why? | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On April 17 2015 14:09 Tubesock wrote: I didn't spoonfeed because I don't trust any of you. Why would I spoonfeed Trfel? I don't trust Breshke right now. I can't help but think we are in the same game as Newbie LX. This game I knew Scott131337 and Celestial were scum. I thought JJB was scum for being useless. Half the Sky was being "helpful" but she was the godfather. I didn't see any world where she was mafia. Fucking Trfel is Half the Sky from that game. Breshke could be Celestial who fakeclaimed to save his life. I think Trfel actions D3 were staged. How he went let's no lynch. Oh no let's lynch. Then talked about claims. It felt dirty. Look at how Prplhz entered. He went straight to solving the game thinking it was Rsoultin. We had so much more information from dead towns and Trfel didn't take any time to evaluate the game. Prplhz came in, saw the kills and probably saw his notes or whatever and then bam POE or whatever he knew who the scum team was. Breshke could be town in this. He was just used. I have to think about it. I just think he was in it with Trfel like Geript and Sandroba. Then this claim play of his after Trfel brought it up, just looked really really bad. He's unCC'd vet so until that changes he's town. But I do not trust Trfel's "advice" or certainty of the other should CC there. While Breshke could have been innocent town, it looked like they were doing the same play to end the game for town. So, you guys really think I would as a first time mafia go after Trfel here? Thank you, that's ballsy as fuck. Like I would need a wheelchair they're big. Why not Prplhz? He's scummy as either alignment. Seems dumb to go after the biggest caser here. shining and i also thought a no lynch would be best? i'd have to reread his filter or whatever, but i also talked about claiming so...why him and not me? like i kinda sorta get the breshke/truffle association if you're already scumreading truffle but how realistic do you think this is, honestly? i don't have an eden-lvl toneread here but i'm pretty damn good at reading truffle -_- | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
##Vote bourneq | ||
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Breshke
Australia3749 Posts
On April 17 2015 14:15 Tubesock wrote: Why are you guys towning Trfel? For his massive synapsis posts? He MUST DO THAT! Don't town him because he makes big posts. None of you have asked anything about my case except for the 2 guys in it. Why? because 100% im mafia so if YOU WERE town mafia doesn't care because you are just wasting your time | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
it's something to do with his back and forth...lol read his posts and he'll kind of phrase them like he's debating with himself, usually doesn't make very firm reads but has good reasoning behind most of it like breshke and truffle are both players who if i'm seeing something only one way, will devil's advocate for me >< it's very valuable lol that and just the sarcasm/jokes...he couldn't pull that off in student V | ||
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Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On April 17 2015 14:18 rsoultin wrote: shining and i also thought a no lynch would be best? i'd have to reread his filter or whatever, but i also talked about claiming so...why him and not me? like i kinda sorta get the breshke/truffle association if you're already scumreading truffle but how realistic do you think this is, honestly? i don't have an eden-lvl toneread here but i'm pretty damn good at reading truffle -_- You were not first. He as there immediately, knew immediately who the NK was (don't care if it was obvious that's not the point) and immediately was like No lynch! .... welllllll let's lynch! I don't think it was in the mindset of town doing it. Then he went straight into claim stuff. You were different because you were immediately voted on by Prp. Different circumstance. And you were just responding to him. You didn't look like you had an agenda. | ||
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Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On April 17 2015 14:21 Breshke wrote: because 100% im mafia so if YOU WERE town mafia doesn't care because you are just wasting your time I want people to think about the big possibility our reads were wrong. I think Trfel at the very least needs to be reconsidered. He's been towned too easily. He's the snake in the grass. He thinks my case is lazy. That my push is lazy. Do you guys agree? If so why? | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
tbf though when i thought about it no lynching with two claims out is asinine so -_- if 5v3 is bad for town in terms of voting, 4v3 with one less confirmed town is even worse >< so i unvoted maybe i should go look at it :/ he does like to hyper-analyze things so i'm not sure that's really terrible, and no vigi in their right mind shoots HTS so calling that doesn't seem like anything the claiming advice is the only thing i can think of that could be scummy, so it depends on what he said. hold on | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
On April 17 2015 14:09 Tubesock wrote: Yes, I do think you would do this. I'm not terribly hard to pressure. And the argument of "he wouldn't go after a high profile player, he's town" has been used this game already. That doesn't work after the first time.So, you guys really think I would as a first time mafia go after Trfel here? Thank you, that's ballsy as fuck. Like I would need a wheelchair they're big. Why not Prplhz? He's scummy as either alignment. Seems dumb to go after the biggest caser here. I have the right to be lazy. I've caught a scum, almost guaranteed (Bourneq). There is literally no other pressure to lynch him here, which means that scum is not interested in him dying (which if Bourneq is town, would result in an easy victory). Any other lynch is prematurely advancing the schedule, taking a more risky lynch before it's necessary. But especially without any scum meta to compare to, I doubt much will change with regards to reading Tubesock. See you guys tomorrow, I'll be relaxing. | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
On April 17 2015 14:13 Tubesock wrote: I like how you now insist that Breshke is town due to his claim, while you were suspicious of me for saying very similar things earlier.I was right on 2 of that team in Carol. I was wrong on Sick and Lightningstrike. Here I'm right on Trfel and Bourneq most likely. Breshke I've already said he's town till he's CC'd. And no I am not setting up a claim. I also like how you say that Breshke is town until counterclaimed, while saying that it's scummy that I asked any potential power roles to counterclaim. I guess you like taking mafia as confirmed town? | ||
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Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On April 17 2015 14:29 Trfel wrote: Yes, I do think you would do this. I'm not terribly hard to pressure. And the argument of "he wouldn't go after a high profile player, he's town" has been used this game already. That doesn't work after the first time. I have the right to be lazy. I've caught a scum, almost guaranteed (Bourneq). There is literally no other pressure to lynch him here, which means that scum is not interested in him dying (which if Bourneq is town, would result in an easy victory). Any other lynch is prematurely advancing the schedule, taking a more risky lynch before it's necessary. But especially without any scum meta to compare to, I doubt much will change with regards to reading Tubesock. See you guys tomorrow, I'll be relaxing. Prplhz found him Day 1. You're just bussing. | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
like if truffle and breshke are scum they have to be scum for more than just that >< that's like paranoid fear, tube | ||
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Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On April 17 2015 14:32 Trfel wrote: I like how you now insist that Breshke is town due to his claim, while you were suspicious of me for saying very similar things earlier. I also like how you say that Breshke is town until counterclaimed, while saying that it's scummy that I asked any potential power roles to counterclaim. I guess you like taking mafia as confirmed town? What are you talking about? I've pushed that he could very well be fakeclaiming and just because Trfel says the real vet would 100% counter claim here doesn't make it true at all. You didn't even consider it. | ||
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Breshke
Australia3749 Posts
I would also like to see you case bourne i know you stopped because people werent interacting with you about your casiesother than the people you cased but id like to see a bourne case. | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On April 17 2015 14:36 rsoultin wrote: eh honestly i don't see what's so scummy about the claim talks? like yeah i could see this world you have where breshke is scum with truffle and they just claim, encourage a cc, and both blues are outed but lol >< that world falls apart the moment you say breshke is town like if truffle and breshke are scum they have to be scum for more than just that >< that's like paranoid fear, tube sorry lol >< edited to clarify, how would scum!truffle even know that town!breshke was fake-claiming? | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
On April 17 2015 14:15 Tubesock wrote: Yes. I'm scum because I did something that looks towny.Why are you guys towning Trfel? For his massive synapsis posts? He MUST DO THAT! Don't town him because he makes big posts. None of you have asked anything about my case except for the 2 guys in it. Why? Tubesock, this simply isn't how to scumhunt. To scumhunt, you want to look for mafia motivation. However, this doesn't mean look for "why would they do this as mafia", it means to look for the reasons that mafia would do this that town wouldn't have. Me making my four analysis posts is something I would definitely do as town, and would probably do as scum. In and of itself, it's not alignment indicative. Read what I said, that's what is alignment indicative. Nothing that you have posted suggests that I am scum. You've only showed that you disagree with several of the reasons that I have been townread. The one real potentially scummy thing in my filter, my hammer on TheBloodyDwarf over prplhz, isn't a reason you are scumreading me. Apparently I killed Half the Sky because she was the biggest threat to me. So what? She was the biggest threat to most everyone. Just because Trfel would have killed Half the Sky here doesn't mean that any other mafia team would not. And it doesn't mean that I am scum. Even as scum, you need to keep these things in mind. You can do crazy things and hope to get townread anyway, and often it will work, but normally your support dries up. Eventually you need some actual reasons behind your pushes. | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
On April 17 2015 14:34 Tubesock wrote: Oh, so now Bourneq is confirmed scum? But you want to lynch me anyway?Prplhz found him Day 1. You're just bussing. | ||
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Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On April 17 2015 14:36 rsoultin wrote: eh honestly i don't see what's so scummy about the claim talks? like yeah i could see this world you have where breshke is scum with truffle and they just claim, encourage a cc, and both blues are outed but lol >< that world falls apart the moment you say breshke is scum like if truffle and breshke are scum they have to be scum for more than just that >< that's like paranoid fear, tube Possible. But the paranoid fear is what got me to recheck him. I didn't like all the Bluehunting centric talk while he pressured Stutters. His play made me realize I was making excuses for his play based on my earlier read. My biggest point is I think you guys are biased from your first reads. I don't think you are looking at the game objectively. I mean Prp and Stutters fight for a full cycle for doing the exact same thing. Both are town. Same thing here. Trfel got towned for doing big posts with nothing that anyone really talked about. He pushed the Shining lynch basically on the sale that he can't read pages 7 - 23 in 30 minutes. Those pages are nothing but one liners essentially. It's not hard to read it that fast. I think Trfel was scumming Shining and basically making it look like he was the standard of effort that should apply. | ||
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Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On April 17 2015 14:38 Breshke wrote: Tube im just really like idk how toe xplain it. So you now realize that i am most deffinetly town. Then who is the third scum other than trefel or bourne. I would also like to see you case bourne i know you stopped because people werent interacting with you about your casiesother than the people you cased but id like to see a bourne case. Why? No one thinks Bourneq is town. I have said I'd vote you three, I did rescind my intention to vote Breshke. So, Trfel or Bourneq I don't care. | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
On April 17 2015 14:43 Tubesock wrote: The case on The Shining was about inconsistency between how much time he implied he was spending on the game and the quality of his reads that he implied versus the amount of time he actually spent playing the game and the actual quality of his reads. I won't go into it much now, obviously I was wrong.Possible. But the paranoid fear is what got me to recheck him. I didn't like all the Bluehunting centric talk while he pressured Stutters. His play made me realize I was making excuses for his play based on my earlier read. My biggest point is I think you guys are biased from your first reads. I don't think you are looking at the game objectively. I mean Prp and Stutters fight for a full cycle for doing the exact same thing. Both are town. Same thing here. Trfel got towned for doing big posts with nothing that anyone really talked about. He pushed the Shining lynch basically on the sale that he can't read pages 7 - 23 in 30 minutes. Those pages are nothing but one liners essentially. It's not hard to read it that fast. I think Trfel was scumming Shining and basically making it look like he was the standard of effort that should apply. Note that Breshke (confirmed town) scumread The Shining with me, and rsoultin (likely town) townread The Shining primarily due to a good blue read (which I missed, I'm a terrible blue hunter). | ||
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