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On April 17 2015 11:10 Tubesock wrote:
Has Trfel done anything town this Day 3?
His sole "scumhunting" is in direct response to me scumming him. Otherwise he's trying to lead town to talk about claims and lynch's and whatever but when it comes to actual investigative work he comes up with excuses. And that swap off me to Bourneq is a joke.
##Unvote
##Vote: Trfel Yeah, you definitely don't care who gets lynched. And me voting Bourneq is a joke.
If you are actually town here, you need to take some more time between posts to make sure that what you're saying makes sense. Your posting is loaded with inconsistencies. You're either scum or not thinking things through fully before posting.
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On April 17 2015 14:43 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2015 14:36 rsoultin wrote:
eh honestly i don't see what's so scummy about the claim talks? like yeah i could see this world you have where breshke is scum with truffle and they just claim, encourage a cc, and both blues are outed but lol >< that world falls apart the moment you say breshke is scum
like if truffle and breshke are scum they have to be scum for more than just that >< that's like paranoid fear, tube Possible. But the paranoid fear is what got me to recheck him. I didn't like all the Bluehunting centric talk while he pressured Stutters. His play made me realize I was making excuses for his play based on my earlier read. My biggest point is I think you guys are biased from your first reads. I don't think you are looking at the game objectively. I mean Prp and Stutters fight for a full cycle for doing the exact same thing. Both are town. Same thing here. Trfel got towned for doing big posts with nothing that anyone really talked about. He pushed the Shining lynch basically on the sale that he can't read pages 7 - 23 in 30 minutes. Those pages are nothing but one liners essentially. It's not hard to read it that fast. I think Trfel was scumming Shining and basically making it look like he was the standard of effort that should apply.
the one good reason to think truffle may be scum is his vote to save prp if prp is scum, and even then town can still do that and be wrong lol >< i get what you're saying? it's possible mafia could do that, and scumread shining for that, but it's just as possible that town truffle who reads hella slowly doesn't think that's possible for anyone to do in that amount of time
i guess everything could come from town, too, usually...but you at least have to demonstrate why it's more likely to come from scum than town ><
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On April 17 2015 14:39 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2015 14:15 Tubesock wrote:
Why are you guys towning Trfel?
For his massive synapsis posts? He MUST DO THAT! Don't town him because he makes big posts.
None of you have asked anything about my case except for the 2 guys in it. Why? Yes. I'm scum because I did something that looks towny. Tubesock, this simply isn't how to scumhunt. To scumhunt, you want to look for mafia motivation. However, this doesn't mean look for "why would they do this as mafia", it means to look for the reasons that mafia would do this that town wouldn't have. Me making my four analysis posts is something I would definitely do as town, and would probably do as scum. In and of itself, it's not alignment indicative. Read what I said, that's what is alignment indicative. Nothing that you have posted suggests that I am scum. You've only showed that you disagree with several of the reasons that I have been townread. The one real potentially scummy thing in my filter, my hammer on TheBloodyDwarf over prplhz, isn't a reason you are scumreading me. Apparently I killed Half the Sky because she was the biggest threat to me. So what? She was the biggest threat to most everyone. Just because Trfel would have killed Half the Sky here doesn't mean that any other mafia team would not. And it doesn't mean that I am scum. Even as scum, you need to keep these things in mind. You can do crazy things and hope to get townread anyway, and often it will work, but normally your support dries up. Eventually you need some actual reasons behind your pushes.
What's alignment indicative is things of what you do. You agree that your extra effort is something that you would do as either alignment. I'm trying to get town to see that they shouldn't town you for it. I also think you had to overcompensate for Onegu's scumminess.
I don't think it is nearly as easy as "oh this post is alignment indicative." Or this one, it's too easy to fake. It's more about intentions of what they are doing. I don't want town to just pass you as town. I think that's a very dangerous mistake.
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On April 17 2015 14:47 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2015 14:43 Tubesock wrote:On April 17 2015 14:36 rsoultin wrote:
eh honestly i don't see what's so scummy about the claim talks? like yeah i could see this world you have where breshke is scum with truffle and they just claim, encourage a cc, and both blues are outed but lol >< that world falls apart the moment you say breshke is scum
like if truffle and breshke are scum they have to be scum for more than just that >< that's like paranoid fear, tube Possible. But the paranoid fear is what got me to recheck him. I didn't like all the Bluehunting centric talk while he pressured Stutters. His play made me realize I was making excuses for his play based on my earlier read. My biggest point is I think you guys are biased from your first reads. I don't think you are looking at the game objectively. I mean Prp and Stutters fight for a full cycle for doing the exact same thing. Both are town. Same thing here. Trfel got towned for doing big posts with nothing that anyone really talked about. He pushed the Shining lynch basically on the sale that he can't read pages 7 - 23 in 30 minutes. Those pages are nothing but one liners essentially. It's not hard to read it that fast. I think Trfel was scumming Shining and basically making it look like he was the standard of effort that should apply. The case on The Shining was about inconsistency between how much time he implied he was spending on the game and the quality of his reads that he implied versus the amount of time he actually spent playing the game and the actual quality of his reads. I won't go into it much now, obviously I was wrong. Note that Breshke (confirmed town) scumread The Shining with me, and rsoultin (likely town) townread The Shining primarily due to a good blue read (which I missed, I'm a terrible blue hunter).
xP
actually i didn't unvote him till we mindmelded, but i did note that and thought it was odd, and i liked that he returned to the thread with a unique read lol >< some of the points i'd made before, but some of them i hadn't. if your only goal is survival you push the counterwagon, not someone not even being voted. yes he voted the counterwagon, but then he wanted to talk about his scumread. that seemed townie to me, enough to believe the breadcrumb may be real (though i did realize i might have been reading too much into it lolol ><)
but i was scumreading him for mostly the same things as truffle (minus the minutes part)
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On April 17 2015 14:49 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2015 11:10 Tubesock wrote:
Has Trfel done anything town this Day 3?
His sole "scumhunting" is in direct response to me scumming him. Otherwise he's trying to lead town to talk about claims and lynch's and whatever but when it comes to actual investigative work he comes up with excuses. And that swap off me to Bourneq is a joke.
##Unvote
##Vote: Trfel Yeah, you definitely don't care who gets lynched. And me voting Bourneq is a joke. If you are actually town here, you need to take some more time between posts to make sure that what you're saying makes sense. Your posting is loaded with inconsistencies. You're either scum or not thinking things through fully before posting.
It's a joke because you vote me, then are like, bah Bourneq instead. I don't think you will stay on him at all.
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On April 17 2015 14:45 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2015 14:38 Breshke wrote:
Tube im just really like idk how toe xplain it. So you now realize that i am most deffinetly town. Then who is the third scum other than trefel or bourne.
I would also like to see you case bourne i know you stopped because people werent interacting with you about your casiesother than the people you cased but id like to see a bourne case. Why? No one thinks Bourneq is town. I have said I'd vote you three, I did rescind my intention to vote Breshke. So, Trfel or Bourneq I don't care.
So do you still think im scum? if not who is out of the remaining players?
Also because clearly i think your current analysis is lacking so i want to see what makes you think bourne is scum so i can then use that to rethink your alignment and if we should lynch you today.
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On April 17 2015 14:54 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2015 14:39 Trfel wrote:On April 17 2015 14:15 Tubesock wrote:
Why are you guys towning Trfel?
For his massive synapsis posts? He MUST DO THAT! Don't town him because he makes big posts.
None of you have asked anything about my case except for the 2 guys in it. Why? Yes. I'm scum because I did something that looks towny. Tubesock, this simply isn't how to scumhunt. To scumhunt, you want to look for mafia motivation. However, this doesn't mean look for "why would they do this as mafia", it means to look for the reasons that mafia would do this that town wouldn't have. Me making my four analysis posts is something I would definitely do as town, and would probably do as scum. In and of itself, it's not alignment indicative. Read what I said, that's what is alignment indicative. Nothing that you have posted suggests that I am scum. You've only showed that you disagree with several of the reasons that I have been townread. The one real potentially scummy thing in my filter, my hammer on TheBloodyDwarf over prplhz, isn't a reason you are scumreading me. Apparently I killed Half the Sky because she was the biggest threat to me. So what? She was the biggest threat to most everyone. Just because Trfel would have killed Half the Sky here doesn't mean that any other mafia team would not. And it doesn't mean that I am scum. Even as scum, you need to keep these things in mind. You can do crazy things and hope to get townread anyway, and often it will work, but normally your support dries up. Eventually you need some actual reasons behind your pushes. What's alignment indicative is things of what you do. You agree that your extra effort is something that you would do as either alignment. I'm trying to get town to see that they shouldn't town you for it. I also think you had to overcompensate for Onegu's scumminess. I don't think it is nearly as easy as "oh this post is alignment indicative." Or this one, it's too easy to fake. It's more about intentions of what they are doing. I don't want town to just pass you as town. I think that's a very dangerous mistake.
tube, is truffle your most sure scumread right now? -prods- this is more important than the argument back and forth
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On April 17 2015 14:56 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2015 14:45 Tubesock wrote:On April 17 2015 14:38 Breshke wrote:
Tube im just really like idk how toe xplain it. So you now realize that i am most deffinetly town. Then who is the third scum other than trefel or bourne.
I would also like to see you case bourne i know you stopped because people werent interacting with you about your casiesother than the people you cased but id like to see a bourne case. Why? No one thinks Bourneq is town. I have said I'd vote you three, I did rescind my intention to vote Breshke. So, Trfel or Bourneq I don't care. So do you still think im scum? if not who is out of the remaining players? Also because clearly i think your current analysis is lacking so i want to see what makes you think bourne is scum so i can then use that to rethink your alignment and if we should lynch you today.
He's folded everytime anyone talks to him. He's very conscious of how he looks. Even his last post is "uh I'm feeling better so can have stronger reads now!" yeah yeah
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On April 17 2015 14:56 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2015 14:45 Tubesock wrote:On April 17 2015 14:38 Breshke wrote:
Tube im just really like idk how toe xplain it. So you now realize that i am most deffinetly town. Then who is the third scum other than trefel or bourne.
I would also like to see you case bourne i know you stopped because people werent interacting with you about your casiesother than the people you cased but id like to see a bourne case. Why? No one thinks Bourneq is town. I have said I'd vote you three, I did rescind my intention to vote Breshke. So, Trfel or Bourneq I don't care. So do you still think im scum? if not who is out of the remaining players? Also because clearly i think your current analysis is lacking so i want to see what makes you think bourne is scum so i can then use that to rethink your alignment and if we should lynch you today.
If it were up to me I'd vote Trfel/Bourneq and then you. It'll give a lot of time to figure out. You'll be CC'd or NK'd soon enough anyway I think.
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So. What does a scumteam do when two suspected players claim blue, leaving them close to losing the game due to process of elimination?
First thing they ought to do is counterclaim. I think that scum ought to counterclaim at MYLO, at least once. I'm really surprised that they didn't, this either indicates that the scumteam is not very skilled or has an extremely weak thread presence, such that their chances of pulling it off were minimal (or the best counterclaimer was the roleblocker, and it wasn't deemed worth the risk). I can't assume that the scum team is really that incompetent, so I assume that they didn't have the thread presence to pull it off.
Therefore, scum wants to probe as many places as possible, and try to see what sticks. If scum can cast doubt on one of the townread players, that is huge for their chances of winning. Town simply has to make sure that they don't get dragged down under the desperate scum attacks, and then make one or two good reads, and it's a win.
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On April 17 2015 14:56 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2015 14:54 Tubesock wrote:On April 17 2015 14:39 Trfel wrote:On April 17 2015 14:15 Tubesock wrote:
Why are you guys towning Trfel?
For his massive synapsis posts? He MUST DO THAT! Don't town him because he makes big posts.
None of you have asked anything about my case except for the 2 guys in it. Why? Yes. I'm scum because I did something that looks towny. Tubesock, this simply isn't how to scumhunt. To scumhunt, you want to look for mafia motivation. However, this doesn't mean look for "why would they do this as mafia", it means to look for the reasons that mafia would do this that town wouldn't have. Me making my four analysis posts is something I would definitely do as town, and would probably do as scum. In and of itself, it's not alignment indicative. Read what I said, that's what is alignment indicative. Nothing that you have posted suggests that I am scum. You've only showed that you disagree with several of the reasons that I have been townread. The one real potentially scummy thing in my filter, my hammer on TheBloodyDwarf over prplhz, isn't a reason you are scumreading me. Apparently I killed Half the Sky because she was the biggest threat to me. So what? She was the biggest threat to most everyone. Just because Trfel would have killed Half the Sky here doesn't mean that any other mafia team would not. And it doesn't mean that I am scum. Even as scum, you need to keep these things in mind. You can do crazy things and hope to get townread anyway, and often it will work, but normally your support dries up. Eventually you need some actual reasons behind your pushes. What's alignment indicative is things of what you do. You agree that your extra effort is something that you would do as either alignment. I'm trying to get town to see that they shouldn't town you for it. I also think you had to overcompensate for Onegu's scumminess. I don't think it is nearly as easy as "oh this post is alignment indicative." Or this one, it's too easy to fake. It's more about intentions of what they are doing. I don't want town to just pass you as town. I think that's a very dangerous mistake. tube, is truffle your most sure scumread right now? -prods- this is more important than the argument back and forth
Yes by far. I think he was faking being town this last day to get us to lynch today. I think he was trying to get credit for "leading town" and I don't think it's a towny direction.
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On April 17 2015 14:58 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2015 14:56 Breshke wrote:On April 17 2015 14:45 Tubesock wrote:On April 17 2015 14:38 Breshke wrote:
Tube im just really like idk how toe xplain it. So you now realize that i am most deffinetly town. Then who is the third scum other than trefel or bourne.
I would also like to see you case bourne i know you stopped because people werent interacting with you about your casiesother than the people you cased but id like to see a bourne case. Why? No one thinks Bourneq is town. I have said I'd vote you three, I did rescind my intention to vote Breshke. So, Trfel or Bourneq I don't care. So do you still think im scum? if not who is out of the remaining players? Also because clearly i think your current analysis is lacking so i want to see what makes you think bourne is scum so i can then use that to rethink your alignment and if we should lynch you today. He's folded everytime anyone talks to him. He's very conscious of how he looks. Even his last post is "uh I'm feeling better so can have stronger reads now!" yeah yeah
Can you explain/show me where he is conscious of how he looks. You also didn't respond to the first part.
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On April 17 2015 15:02 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2015 14:58 Tubesock wrote:On April 17 2015 14:56 Breshke wrote:On April 17 2015 14:45 Tubesock wrote:On April 17 2015 14:38 Breshke wrote:
Tube im just really like idk how toe xplain it. So you now realize that i am most deffinetly town. Then who is the third scum other than trefel or bourne.
I would also like to see you case bourne i know you stopped because people werent interacting with you about your casiesother than the people you cased but id like to see a bourne case. Why? No one thinks Bourneq is town. I have said I'd vote you three, I did rescind my intention to vote Breshke. So, Trfel or Bourneq I don't care. So do you still think im scum? if not who is out of the remaining players? Also because clearly i think your current analysis is lacking so i want to see what makes you think bourne is scum so i can then use that to rethink your alignment and if we should lynch you today. He's folded everytime anyone talks to him. He's very conscious of how he looks. Even his last post is "uh I'm feeling better so can have stronger reads now!" yeah yeah Can you explain/show me where he is conscious of how he looks. You also didn't respond to the first part.
oops you just answered. Who is your least sure townread then?
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On April 17 2015 14:54 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2015 14:39 Trfel wrote:On April 17 2015 14:15 Tubesock wrote:
Why are you guys towning Trfel?
For his massive synapsis posts? He MUST DO THAT! Don't town him because he makes big posts.
None of you have asked anything about my case except for the 2 guys in it. Why? Yes. I'm scum because I did something that looks towny. Tubesock, this simply isn't how to scumhunt. To scumhunt, you want to look for mafia motivation. However, this doesn't mean look for "why would they do this as mafia", it means to look for the reasons that mafia would do this that town wouldn't have. Me making my four analysis posts is something I would definitely do as town, and would probably do as scum. In and of itself, it's not alignment indicative. Read what I said, that's what is alignment indicative. Nothing that you have posted suggests that I am scum. You've only showed that you disagree with several of the reasons that I have been townread. The one real potentially scummy thing in my filter, my hammer on TheBloodyDwarf over prplhz, isn't a reason you are scumreading me. Apparently I killed Half the Sky because she was the biggest threat to me. So what? She was the biggest threat to most everyone. Just because Trfel would have killed Half the Sky here doesn't mean that any other mafia team would not. And it doesn't mean that I am scum. Even as scum, you need to keep these things in mind. You can do crazy things and hope to get townread anyway, and often it will work, but normally your support dries up. Eventually you need some actual reasons behind your pushes. What's alignment indicative is things of what you do. You agree that your extra effort is something that you would do as either alignment. I'm trying to get town to see that they shouldn't town you for it. I also think you had to overcompensate for Onegu's scumminess. I don't think it is nearly as easy as "oh this post is alignment indicative." Or this one, it's too easy to fake. It's more about intentions of what they are doing. I don't want town to just pass you as town. I think that's a very dangerous mistake. Onegu wasn't scummy? And I'm not getting townread for effort, I'm getting townread for tone, read progression/explanation, and the fact that my mafia game is a disgrace to the site. Both of my non-town games, rsoultin caught me in a handful of posts.
So you've gone from "here's why Trfel is scum" to "don't townread Trfel for these reasons". Why? You're attacking me with defense, not offense. You have no actual attack.
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On April 17 2015 15:00 Trfel wrote:
So. What does a scumteam do when two suspected players claim blue, leaving them close to losing the game due to process of elimination?
First thing they ought to do is counterclaim. I think that scum ought to counterclaim at MYLO, at least once. I'm really surprised that they didn't, this either indicates that the scumteam is not very skilled or has an extremely weak thread presence, such that their chances of pulling it off were minimal (or the best counterclaimer was the roleblocker, and it wasn't deemed worth the risk). I can't assume that the scum team is really that incompetent, so I assume that they didn't have the thread presence to pull it off.
Therefore, scum wants to probe as many places as possible, and try to see what sticks. If scum can cast doubt on one of the townread players, that is huge for their chances of winning. Town simply has to make sure that they don't get dragged down under the desperate scum attacks, and then make one or two good reads, and it's a win.
I think my "play that shall not be named" mad it really hard for scum the CC the vigi. If you look at it from me what we now know that I am town and that shining is town.
Also I think that as I had could at least try explain some of my play due to being vet it would have been difficult for scum to CC me there aswell.
I also think that if tube is scum he most definitely flirted with the idea of counterclaiming if you look at his play.
On April 17 2015 15:02 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2015 14:56 rsoultin wrote:On April 17 2015 14:54 Tubesock wrote:On April 17 2015 14:39 Trfel wrote:On April 17 2015 14:15 Tubesock wrote:
Why are you guys towning Trfel?
For his massive synapsis posts? He MUST DO THAT! Don't town him because he makes big posts.
None of you have asked anything about my case except for the 2 guys in it. Why? Yes. I'm scum because I did something that looks towny. Tubesock, this simply isn't how to scumhunt. To scumhunt, you want to look for mafia motivation. However, this doesn't mean look for "why would they do this as mafia", it means to look for the reasons that mafia would do this that town wouldn't have. Me making my four analysis posts is something I would definitely do as town, and would probably do as scum. In and of itself, it's not alignment indicative. Read what I said, that's what is alignment indicative. Nothing that you have posted suggests that I am scum. You've only showed that you disagree with several of the reasons that I have been townread. The one real potentially scummy thing in my filter, my hammer on TheBloodyDwarf over prplhz, isn't a reason you are scumreading me. Apparently I killed Half the Sky because she was the biggest threat to me. So what? She was the biggest threat to most everyone. Just because Trfel would have killed Half the Sky here doesn't mean that any other mafia team would not. And it doesn't mean that I am scum. Even as scum, you need to keep these things in mind. You can do crazy things and hope to get townread anyway, and often it will work, but normally your support dries up. Eventually you need some actual reasons behind your pushes. What's alignment indicative is things of what you do. You agree that your extra effort is something that you would do as either alignment. I'm trying to get town to see that they shouldn't town you for it. I also think you had to overcompensate for Onegu's scumminess. I don't think it is nearly as easy as "oh this post is alignment indicative." Or this one, it's too easy to fake. It's more about intentions of what they are doing. I don't want town to just pass you as town. I think that's a very dangerous mistake. tube, is truffle your most sure scumread right now? -prods- this is more important than the argument back and forth Yes by far. I think he was faking being town this last day to get us to lynch today. I think he was trying to get credit for "leading town" and I don't think it's a towny direction.
Yeah but im town and i also thought lynching was a good idea. Lynching was the play to win whereas no lynching was the play to not lose.
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On April 17 2015 15:02 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2015 14:56 rsoultin wrote:On April 17 2015 14:54 Tubesock wrote:On April 17 2015 14:39 Trfel wrote:On April 17 2015 14:15 Tubesock wrote:
Why are you guys towning Trfel?
For his massive synapsis posts? He MUST DO THAT! Don't town him because he makes big posts.
None of you have asked anything about my case except for the 2 guys in it. Why? Yes. I'm scum because I did something that looks towny. Tubesock, this simply isn't how to scumhunt. To scumhunt, you want to look for mafia motivation. However, this doesn't mean look for "why would they do this as mafia", it means to look for the reasons that mafia would do this that town wouldn't have. Me making my four analysis posts is something I would definitely do as town, and would probably do as scum. In and of itself, it's not alignment indicative. Read what I said, that's what is alignment indicative. Nothing that you have posted suggests that I am scum. You've only showed that you disagree with several of the reasons that I have been townread. The one real potentially scummy thing in my filter, my hammer on TheBloodyDwarf over prplhz, isn't a reason you are scumreading me. Apparently I killed Half the Sky because she was the biggest threat to me. So what? She was the biggest threat to most everyone. Just because Trfel would have killed Half the Sky here doesn't mean that any other mafia team would not. And it doesn't mean that I am scum. Even as scum, you need to keep these things in mind. You can do crazy things and hope to get townread anyway, and often it will work, but normally your support dries up. Eventually you need some actual reasons behind your pushes. What's alignment indicative is things of what you do. You agree that your extra effort is something that you would do as either alignment. I'm trying to get town to see that they shouldn't town you for it. I also think you had to overcompensate for Onegu's scumminess. I don't think it is nearly as easy as "oh this post is alignment indicative." Or this one, it's too easy to fake. It's more about intentions of what they are doing. I don't want town to just pass you as town. I think that's a very dangerous mistake. tube, is truffle your most sure scumread right now? -prods- this is more important than the argument back and forth Yes by far. I think he was faking being town this last day to get us to lynch today. I think he was trying to get credit for "leading town" and I don't think it's a towny direction.
i don't follow?
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On April 17 2015 14:55 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2015 14:49 Trfel wrote:On April 17 2015 11:10 Tubesock wrote:
Has Trfel done anything town this Day 3?
His sole "scumhunting" is in direct response to me scumming him. Otherwise he's trying to lead town to talk about claims and lynch's and whatever but when it comes to actual investigative work he comes up with excuses. And that swap off me to Bourneq is a joke.
##Unvote
##Vote: Trfel Yeah, you definitely don't care who gets lynched. And me voting Bourneq is a joke. If you are actually town here, you need to take some more time between posts to make sure that what you're saying makes sense. Your posting is loaded with inconsistencies. You're either scum or not thinking things through fully before posting. It's a joke because you vote me, then are like, bah Bourneq instead. I don't think you will stay on him at all. So, I'm bussing Bourneq, but my vote on him is a joke and I won't stay on him?
And remind me, if I'm scum trying to secure a mislynch at MYLO, why would I bother bussing for town credit?
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On April 17 2015 02:03 Bourneq wrote:
Scum: Prplhz, jarjar, and maybe tube?
I am not scum, I have done nothing but tell the truth the entire game, sometimes I get it wrong but that is simply because this is my first game and I am having a hard time keeping up. I have been doing my best but sometimes my lack of posting has simply been down to not being familiar enough with the game to feel confident in my suspicions. Now that there are so few people left I feel I can say with some certianty who the scums are.
That's all about wanting to look good.
JJB or Prp/Rso. But I think they are town, so would have to rerethink.
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Tubesock stopped arguing with me. I was having fun 
It's probably for the best, though. It doesn't give town any information, and just gets in the way of real scumhunting.
I'd really like to lynch Bourneq today. I could be willing to lynch Tubesock instead, but I just see no reason to do so.
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On April 17 2015 15:07 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2015 14:54 Tubesock wrote:On April 17 2015 14:39 Trfel wrote:On April 17 2015 14:15 Tubesock wrote:
Why are you guys towning Trfel?
For his massive synapsis posts? He MUST DO THAT! Don't town him because he makes big posts.
None of you have asked anything about my case except for the 2 guys in it. Why? Yes. I'm scum because I did something that looks towny. Tubesock, this simply isn't how to scumhunt. To scumhunt, you want to look for mafia motivation. However, this doesn't mean look for "why would they do this as mafia", it means to look for the reasons that mafia would do this that town wouldn't have. Me making my four analysis posts is something I would definitely do as town, and would probably do as scum. In and of itself, it's not alignment indicative. Read what I said, that's what is alignment indicative. Nothing that you have posted suggests that I am scum. You've only showed that you disagree with several of the reasons that I have been townread. The one real potentially scummy thing in my filter, my hammer on TheBloodyDwarf over prplhz, isn't a reason you are scumreading me. Apparently I killed Half the Sky because she was the biggest threat to me. So what? She was the biggest threat to most everyone. Just because Trfel would have killed Half the Sky here doesn't mean that any other mafia team would not. And it doesn't mean that I am scum. Even as scum, you need to keep these things in mind. You can do crazy things and hope to get townread anyway, and often it will work, but normally your support dries up. Eventually you need some actual reasons behind your pushes. What's alignment indicative is things of what you do. You agree that your extra effort is something that you would do as either alignment. I'm trying to get town to see that they shouldn't town you for it. I also think you had to overcompensate for Onegu's scumminess. I don't think it is nearly as easy as "oh this post is alignment indicative." Or this one, it's too easy to fake. It's more about intentions of what they are doing. I don't want town to just pass you as town. I think that's a very dangerous mistake. Onegu wasn't scummy? And I'm not getting townread for effort, I'm getting townread for tone, read progression/explanation, and the fact that my mafia game is a disgrace to the site. Both of my non-town games, rsoultin caught me in a handful of posts. So you've gone from "here's why Trfel is scum" to "don't townread Trfel for these reasons". Why? You're attacking me with defense, not offense. You have no actual attack.
You haven't even read my case then. I saw the game Rso caught you. You picked a bad game to try to change your meta. That wasn't because you are not capable of looking towny as mafia.
How am I only defensing you. I've been repeating myself about how you haven't scumhunted in the first parts of Day 3. You only even noticed me because I came after you.
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