and then there's also the problem of rayn, a claimed tracker, being alive and apparently not roleblocked

and i will admit, i deliberately didn't attempt to save him because i still find his claim highly doubtful and wanted to see if the night actions would resolve that for me

rsoultin

Netherlands15308 Posts

March 22 2015 15:26 GMT

#4822

that and of course if he is actually the tracker that would be denying town the information he could get out of tracking someone

rsoultin

Netherlands15308 Posts

March 22 2015 15:30 GMT

#4823

like in all honesty what should happen there if all these players are town is:

RB town vig (vivax)
kill claimed tracker (rayn)
kill one of the masons (hf/onegu)

can argue that night actions are wifom and i generally agree but i mean...removing confirmed towns and threats just makes way more sense than yoloing it on a lark

rsoultin

Netherlands15308 Posts

March 22 2015 15:40 GMT

#4824

lol why am i talking to myself now? ><

Vivax

21727 Posts

March 22 2015 15:41 GMT

#4825

On March 23 2015 00:30 rsoultin wrote:
like in all honesty what should happen there if all these players are town is:

RB town vig (vivax)
kill claimed tracker (rayn)
kill one of the masons (hf/onegu)

can argue that night actions are wifom and i generally agree but i mean...removing confirmed towns and threats just makes way more sense than yoloing it on a lark

I'm pretty sure scum believed the mason claim or they wouldn't have shot HF, ie Onegu very unlikely to be mafia and likely to have been shot as well. Speculative but whatever. It really is just speculation and I'd like if other people went more to the standard scumhunting instead of just talking about the claims.

Vivax

21727 Posts

March 22 2015 15:42 GMT

#4826

Like of course we have to focus on the claims to some degree (at least to decide who should be lynched earlier and who later) but I wish there'd be more talking about what people did and what makes them town or scum rather than trying to make this day just a talk about claims.

rsoultin

Netherlands15308 Posts

March 22 2015 15:47 GMT

#4827

nah i get where you're coming from, viva

but i find it unlikely that day 3 involves a lynch outside the claims -shrugs- which is probably why it's such a topic of discussion right now

besides which there's no reason to complain about it when people are specifically asking me if i think i blocked onegu's shot vs. blocked a shot on onegu xP

like, HF is good at this game. he's a n1 kill anyway so i don't think that matters viva

HF = good at this game, plus generally perceived as confirmed town -shrugs-

rsoultin

Netherlands15308 Posts

March 22 2015 15:48 GMT

#4828

what exactly about onegu is townie other than his mason claim which changes with the breeze?

Vivax

21727 Posts

March 22 2015 15:57 GMT

#4829

On March 23 2015 00:48 rsoultin wrote:
what exactly about onegu is townie other than his mason claim which changes with the breeze?

I have no idea and will just trust HF on this.

rsoultin

Netherlands15308 Posts

March 22 2015 16:00 GMT

#4830

On March 23 2015 00:57 Vivax wrote:

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I have no idea and will just trust HF on this.

lol ><

meh, i hope that doesn't bite you in the ass, vivax, cause i doubt my time in this game will last too much longer xP HF and his theory for after the night actions makes me wonder how much he really believed onegu was town but he's not exactly here to ask

rsoultin

Netherlands15308 Posts

March 22 2015 16:04 GMT

#4831

it's just kinda funny

(inb4 you think i'm calling you scum for it)

that you talk about evaluating the players outside the claims, yet are willing to accept some claims on what is apparently pure faith

and not others. if you evaluate onegu outside his claim i don't know how anyone arrives at town. null, maybe

like think about it...if he's The Mason representing The Masons like you'd think he'd be the damn mouthpiece or something? instead he just fake-claims mason with HF and rayn

Trfel

7015 Posts

March 22 2015 16:15 GMT

#4832

Let me do my best to clear a few things up.

Rsoultin's alignment is not related to Toadesstern's, and is not related to Onegu's. Rsoultin is town because of ExO_, who is claiming a green check on her (regardless of ExO_'s alignment, rsoultin is town). The only way that rsoultin is mafia here is if she is the godfather, and this is even more unlikely (given the multitude of other reasons to townread her).

While it is somewhat unlikely, I suppose it is possible that Toadesstern is mafia here. I just think he's much more likely to be town.

Artanis[Xp], if you really think that I am mafia here, you still have to believe that I actually did have the orb. Otherwise, someone would have counterclaimed it. And then, you have to believe that I used the tracking ability. Otherwise, it would come up later, and that would make me look more suspicious. If my plan was to bus LightningStrike, I needed to point the orb at him, that way the KP option would be a successful bus. Thus, there is only a 50% chance that I would be able to incriminate LightningStrike using the orb, as the rolecheck and roleblock options wouldn't do much (and roleblocking has the extreme danger of keeping Holyflare alive...).

Vivax, why do you think that raynpelikoneet is town?

Trfel

7015 Posts

March 22 2015 16:19 GMT

#4833

Oh, and I really see no reason whatsoever to believe Onegu's claim. And I don't think that his claim is relevant to his alignment (except that Holyflare at no point considered Onegu to be a good lynch for Day 1, or he would have unclaimed). I don't necessarily think that Holyflare townread Onegu, since either Holyflare would be around to rescind the mason claim, therefore leaving Onegu's alignment by itself, or Holyflare would be dead, therefore revealing that he was not actually a mason with Onegu.

If Toadesstern is town here, which is quite likely, I am very suspicious of Onegu. I think it's simply much more likely that Onegu was carrying KP and it got roleblocked than mafia deciding to shoot both masons. This might also explain why raynpelikoneet is alive and not roleblocked (assuming he is town...), since Onegu could have been sent to kill him. Furthermore, Onegu would have been a natural choice to carry the scum KP.

rsoultin

Netherlands15308 Posts

March 22 2015 16:20 GMT

#4834

anyway i look at this game and i look at who is actually trying to solve it

- Toad
- Viva
- Artanis
- Eden
- Damdred
- FF
- Breshke

if LS flips scum that almost 100% clears Truffle

i look at ExO_s claim and it matches up with confused town. his insistence that there couldn't be two vigilantes. his pushes against me...can't set that up before a claim he doesn't know is coming...the check makes sense, and it seems to come from a townie perspective more than a scum one

that leaves: sicklucker, slam, onegu, super, palmar and rayn

i kinda want to remove slam from that pool based on gut feels honestly, almost for the same reason as ExO_, cause i don't see why scum would attempt to save an LS who has already conceded

sicklucker, onegu, super, palmar, rayn

so that leaves me with either one of my townreads is wrong...

or at least one of these claims is fake

that's where i'm at right now

Trfel

7015 Posts

March 22 2015 16:25 GMT

#4835

I also note that ExO_ has been leaving hints about being a power role for quite some time... Obvious enough that I picked up on it. And I'm the worst blue hunter in history. And I'm not even scum.

I'm honestly quite surprised that ExO_ is alive and not roleblocked, but that's another possibility for where Onegu's KP was headed.

Rsoultin, I'm disappointed I didn't make your list of people trying to solve the game

rsoultin

Netherlands15308 Posts

March 22 2015 16:28 GMT

#4836

lolol >> you only just started truffle >> your posts you wrote while i was writing mine were a good start though! <3

Damdred

15669 Posts

March 22 2015 16:50 GMT

#4837

One thing about Rayn he did push LS day 1 didn't he

Damdred

15669 Posts

March 22 2015 16:53 GMT

#4838

I need to look at that more. Its hard to see if this is a huge bus or not. Literally probably will flip goon and just might of been sacrificed d1.,,

rsoultin

Netherlands15308 Posts

March 22 2015 16:56 GMT

#4839

it's possible, but lol, the reason i put rayn up at a light townread was his filter looked a lot better on a reread...

like if it's a buss it's a double-buss because lightningstrike was sheeping holyflare onto rayn, and that's what caught rayn's attention

i'm trying to remember who holyflare was talking about earlier than lightningstrike wasn't willing to sheep him on? was it sicklucker?

like if i had to shoot one of onegu/rayn now it would definitely be onegu. i think rayn is much more likely to flip town than him