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On March 23 2015 02:39 Damdred wrote:
Also vivax if toad flips town, how does that influence this
He won't. He included LS in his scumlist just cause. He ignored my LS arguments which were more than what he delivered which was a feels soup.
If you actually read what he posted afterwards (after his big read post "and I still have to read 25 pages") you will see that his LS scumread was posted for the sake of distancing and not cause he meant it. Or he would have considered that I scumread him too, and my reasons for scumreading him before making me his main scumread based on something that made me look like I was misrepresenting people. Or he would have at least tried to discuss his lynch. He didn't. LS is nowhere to see afterwards.
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Sup guys, your savior has finally woken up and is here to tell you what I solved last night because apparently stuff happened:
Rayn is not a mason
Neither is Onegu
The lynchlist is LightningStrike, Rayn
Next we figure out wether Onegu is fakeclaiming to draw shots to him as a VT/VET. Would make sense given how angry he was after HF was killed and how vehemently he called bullshit on the protection on him. On the other hand him going along when this plan of his to get shot (assuming he's town) clearly isn't working isn't making any sense. There's no point to get this confusion
So after those two there's 3 mafia in ExO, Slam, superbia, Palmar, Onegu.
I said we need to figure out how yolo we want to be because that's still only 2 ML in worstcase scenario and I was perfectly fine playing along until at least the night to see if maybe, just maybe Onegu does get shot, thus me stating that I won't tell you guys yet.
There could be a legit case where Rayn and Onegu are actually mafia together and are really desperate right now because I mentioned that I figured something out hinting heavily at 2 people in Eden's list that might be town (and thus might be replaced with two other people, gosh who could that have been) and thus we have this chaos right now. We'll have to see
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On March 23 2015 02:43 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2015 02:29 rsoultin wrote:On March 23 2015 02:19 Vivax wrote:
Sure you can work with me but then don't ask me to spoonfeed you what other people and myself said about Artanis.
Cause working with you isn't the same as working for you, I did my work on the Artanis part. I read him, I read HF, I read VE, I read rayn and their opinions on him. Everyone else is letting him slide for lazy reasons, and these are the guys I trust the most given that we know each other's plays being here for years.
So I kindly ask you to read what HF and VE wrote on Artanis, cause if you can't trust me or rayn at least you can trust me. lol, i really don't see the problem with putting it in one place, succinctly, over me going back through five filters to find it, but if it bugs you that much, whatever (i wasn't asking you, btw, because i ever intended to accept what you were saying blindly >< i fact-check things. it's how i work with others' reads/cases. just ask damdy. i always fact-check his cases even when people go omg! sheep time) regardless i don't think it's worth arguing about. i'm not sure why you're so pissed at me right now, anyway? it's kinda unnecessary Pissed isn't exactly the word, I was just honest about my opinion on how the game should be played and why I think you're doing it wrong, and then suggested what to read. I figured I thought I was more constructive than how it actually came over? Okay, let's go into more concrete examples then. Show nested quote +On March 22 2015 05:09 Holyflare wrote:On March 22 2015 05:04 Holyflare wrote:On March 22 2015 03:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Yo guys, just got back from a long ass capoeira session. First of all, sorry to hear that LS.
Second, Damdred, you seem to have forgotten the thing about Trfel/Superbia early on where they both asked how many mafia players are playing in this game. I still believe that tell to be valid. I also know I'm town so your team is guaranteed to be wrong. I also think that shooting into "unknowns" is terrible unless they don't post a lot. I've given plenty of info to read into, so I should either be lynched or kept alive but never shot by a town vig.
So as to who I think you might be wrong on: Rayn and VE come to mind. Your current team lacks a lot of vet power, and though it's possible RNG made it that way, Host WIFOM dictates that there's probably at least one strong player in the mafia team. Rayn's claim can easily be bullshit. I dunno if scum can have a tracker but he can just unclaim it anytime anyway and it'd be just one more Rayn fakeclaim. I've given VE a peripheral townread for his tone but I seem to be getting too many townreads, and that was one of the weakest ones. I'm not sure what you saw in VE's filter that truly made you read him town, but I have not been convinced by him this game. I had to taunt him into actually going into his read on me and he hasn't pushed his opinions at all despite them being in conflict with town consensus (such as his Fecal scumread which no one agreed upon, yet he never tried to convince anyone).
I think one of the two is probably scum and I'll spend some time digging into them once I'm a bit rested. this post for reference Not only is the wifom ridiculously strong but he makes assumptions based off of it and also adds rayn fake claiming for no reason whatsoever. His only mafia reads are a claimed blue and ve who isn't actually that bad looking i really just want you to shoot artanis for this post plz Show nested quote +On March 22 2015 05:13 Holyflare wrote:On March 22 2015 05:12 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Just went through Rayn's filter in his last two scumgames and compared them with his last towngame as well as this one. One thing I noticed as I scrolled through them was that Mafia Rayn tunnels a lot more than town Rayn. Another thing was that Scum Rayn never really gave out list posts or reads on the overall field whereas Town Rayn had more of an overview of the field. This game I feel like Rayn's attention has been going from person to person which would be much more in line with his Town game. you mean like the last game where rayn afk tunneled on 1 guy the entirety of day 1 as town????? i don't believe you Show nested quote +On March 22 2015 05:32 Holyflare wrote:On March 22 2015 05:31 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 22 2015 05:27 Vivax wrote:On March 22 2015 05:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Someone with a townread on VE explain to me why he's town. He buddies me up pretty nicely with his reads and stuff. He also didn't try to lynch me. I think that suffices. He voted Toad. Toad is Town. He also came back almost instantly after the deadline whilst being afk on the time leading up to it which is pretty highly sketch. if you think toad is town and i presume you think vivax is town because you didn't scum read him in your host wifom then why on earth was rayn in your list when he was on the bm lynch????? So can anyone tell me why HF is making wrong points on Artanis here?
the WIFOM post is meh...there aren't too many points there i agree on
the meta was bad
i kinda already said why rayn voting for you at eod woulda looked bad even if he was scum though...he could've parked his vote on toad i suppose but that still looks bad if he thinks you're the town vig, so i don't actually agree with HF on the third post
like i see why these posts are bad (most of them) but not so much why they make artanis scum?
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Toads....bad...words...i dont understand.. So much not reading
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Rsoultin.
- Host wifom dictates there's at least one vet on the team. -> argumentation for scumreading VE and rayn.
- It's possible RNG made it that way.
Can you tell me how these two mesh?
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On March 22 2015 22:45 Vivax wrote:
Fecal/Slam/Artanis/Toad/LS
I think I like it this way.
wtf is wrong with you. seriously
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If i was a day vig I might shoot toad q.q
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Toad are you here I have a question for you
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What do you think of the cop claim that has a red check on you
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can't be true since I am Drax
who did that? oO
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On March 23 2015 02:59 Vivax wrote:
Rsoultin.
- Host wifom dictates there's at least one vet on the team. -> argumentation for scumreading VE and rayn.
- It's possible RNG made it that way.
Can you tell me how these two mesh?
i don't see why either arguments should be made at all frankly? lol
like, seriously, either it's RNG or the hosts adjusted. either way we won't know
which is what he was saying
it's a bad reason to scumread anyone, but doesn't that ignore the rest of his post where he did present reasons for scumreading them both beyond RNG or whatever?
it's a shit post but this feels like it's being read into too much
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on the other hand the thing that just occurred to me is that for someone like ExO_ (assuming his claim is true) or me, or you...a blue claim should be met with more paranoia simply because we know we're blue and as the numbers keep piling up it becomes more and more likely someone was lying
so in that sense i'm not sure where the paranoia on rayn was coming from in artanis' case
like i 100% get ExO_s issue with the way the vote went down if he's blue cause i had issues with rayn's claim and onegu's...HF i trusted and the git was sitting there fake-claiming mason lol
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On March 23 2015 03:09 Damdred wrote:
I love you toad....
How do you love me if I'm red checked?
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On March 23 2015 03:06 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2015 02:59 Vivax wrote:
Rsoultin.
- Host wifom dictates there's at least one vet on the team. -> argumentation for scumreading VE and rayn.
- It's possible RNG made it that way.
Can you tell me how these two mesh? i don't see why either arguments should be made at all frankly? lol like, seriously, either it's RNG or the hosts adjusted. either way we won't know which is what he was saying it's a bad reason to scumread anyone, but doesn't that ignore the rest of his post where he did present reasons for scumreading them both beyond RNG or whatever? it's a shit post but this feels like it's being read into too much ... on the other hand the thing that just occurred to me is that for someone like ExO_ (assuming his claim is true) or me, or you...a blue claim should be met with more paranoia simply because we know we're blue and as the numbers keep piling up it becomes more and more likely someone was lying so in that sense i'm not sure where the paranoia on rayn was coming from in artanis' case like i 100% get ExO_s issue with the way the vote went down if he's blue cause i had issues with rayn's claim and onegu's...HF i trusted and the git was sitting there fake-claiming mason lol
No it's not being read in too much. Mafia has to make up stuff to scumread townies and if you find arguments that are really easy to make and don't involve the individual play, that also applies to claims, then you can be sure it could have come from mafia. Artanis starts his post with the premise of vets being in the scum team which just sounds like a lazy justification for his scumreads on VE and rayn, and at the same time posts something that invalidates his own reasoning to not look like he's stretching it too much.
And Toad if you want to discuss with me why I think you're scum do it without whining. Why shoot VE and why not consider LS for lynching D1 even though your post suggested you would?
Like, I had every reason to scumread Trfel and I didn't shoot him cause a good vig doesn't go for the hero play, he removes people nobody bothers with or is capable of reading.
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Damdred what were you expecting from such a question? That Toad starts posting puppies?
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On March 22 2015 22:27 sicklucker wrote:Im his mason partner!
that guy is mafia after all oO
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I'm not discussing with you why you think I'm mafia. You think I'm mafia because you're pants-on-Head. There's no point in discussing that with you
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On March 23 2015 03:13 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2015 03:06 rsoultin wrote:On March 23 2015 02:59 Vivax wrote:
Rsoultin.
- Host wifom dictates there's at least one vet on the team. -> argumentation for scumreading VE and rayn.
- It's possible RNG made it that way.
Can you tell me how these two mesh? i don't see why either arguments should be made at all frankly? lol like, seriously, either it's RNG or the hosts adjusted. either way we won't know which is what he was saying it's a bad reason to scumread anyone, but doesn't that ignore the rest of his post where he did present reasons for scumreading them both beyond RNG or whatever? it's a shit post but this feels like it's being read into too much ... on the other hand the thing that just occurred to me is that for someone like ExO_ (assuming his claim is true) or me, or you...a blue claim should be met with more paranoia simply because we know we're blue and as the numbers keep piling up it becomes more and more likely someone was lying so in that sense i'm not sure where the paranoia on rayn was coming from in artanis' case like i 100% get ExO_s issue with the way the vote went down if he's blue cause i had issues with rayn's claim and onegu's...HF i trusted and the git was sitting there fake-claiming mason lol No it's not being read in too much. Mafia has to make up stuff to scumread townies and if you find arguments that are really easy to make and don't involve the individual play, that also applies to claims, then you can be sure it could have come from mafia. Artanis starts his post with the premise of vets being in the scum team which just sounds like a lazy justification for his scumreads on VE and rayn, and at the same time posts something that invalidates his own reasoning to not look like he's stretching it too much. And Toad if you want to discuss with me why I think you're scum do it without whining. Why shoot VE and why not consider LS for lynching D1 even though your post suggested you would? Like, I had every reason to scumread Trfel and I didn't shoot him cause a good vig doesn't go for the hero play, he removes people nobody bothers with or is capable of reading.
okay that actually does make sense...especially if that's a pattern
i know y'all kept saying his reads were too easy this game/unoriginal
i don't really have the time right now, but i'll go through his filter and see how true that is...lol >< i'm so good at mafia-siding in these games it's almost a mark against people if i'm agreeing with them too much
uhoh damdy that means you may be scum xP (nah, lol)
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