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On March 23 2015 03:13 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2015 03:06 rsoultin wrote:On March 23 2015 02:59 Vivax wrote:
Rsoultin.
- Host wifom dictates there's at least one vet on the team. -> argumentation for scumreading VE and rayn.
- It's possible RNG made it that way.
Can you tell me how these two mesh? i don't see why either arguments should be made at all frankly? lol like, seriously, either it's RNG or the hosts adjusted. either way we won't know which is what he was saying it's a bad reason to scumread anyone, but doesn't that ignore the rest of his post where he did present reasons for scumreading them both beyond RNG or whatever? it's a shit post but this feels like it's being read into too much ... on the other hand the thing that just occurred to me is that for someone like ExO_ (assuming his claim is true) or me, or you...a blue claim should be met with more paranoia simply because we know we're blue and as the numbers keep piling up it becomes more and more likely someone was lying so in that sense i'm not sure where the paranoia on rayn was coming from in artanis' case like i 100% get ExO_s issue with the way the vote went down if he's blue cause i had issues with rayn's claim and onegu's...HF i trusted and the git was sitting there fake-claiming mason lol No it's not being read in too much. Mafia has to make up stuff to scumread townies and if you find arguments that are really easy to make and don't involve the individual play, that also applies to claims, then you can be sure it could have come from mafia. Artanis starts his post with the premise of vets being in the scum team which just sounds like a lazy justification for his scumreads on VE and rayn, and at the same time posts something that invalidates his own reasoning to not look like he's stretching it too much. And Toad if you want to discuss with me why I think you're scum do it without whining. Why shoot VE and why not consider LS for lynching D1 even though your post suggested you would? Like, I had every reason to scumread Trfel and I didn't shoot him cause a good vig doesn't go for the hero play, he removes people nobody bothers with or is capable of reading.
but fine if you want it:
I shot VE because I was told to shoot him. I had a massive townread on HF/Eden and I wanted to shoot my target. I was convinced to shoot who I'm supposed to shoot after all so I did that. Nothing more, nothing else. Had I not done that you would be dead by now because it was between shooting you and listening to HF/Eden. It never was between my #1 scumread and any other scumreads. It was between doing what I want and doing what I'm told to do.
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i know that i'm getting sick of artanis' she's town cause she has a ton of posts -_- that's true, but it's like the easiest read on me ever
like, honestly, if i can't keep myself from getting lynched without eden/art running interference i'm the shittiest player here and should only play in newbies...that i then inevitably fuck up lol ><
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On March 23 2015 03:20 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2015 03:13 Vivax wrote:On March 23 2015 03:06 rsoultin wrote:On March 23 2015 02:59 Vivax wrote:
Rsoultin.
- Host wifom dictates there's at least one vet on the team. -> argumentation for scumreading VE and rayn.
- It's possible RNG made it that way.
Can you tell me how these two mesh? i don't see why either arguments should be made at all frankly? lol like, seriously, either it's RNG or the hosts adjusted. either way we won't know which is what he was saying it's a bad reason to scumread anyone, but doesn't that ignore the rest of his post where he did present reasons for scumreading them both beyond RNG or whatever? it's a shit post but this feels like it's being read into too much ... on the other hand the thing that just occurred to me is that for someone like ExO_ (assuming his claim is true) or me, or you...a blue claim should be met with more paranoia simply because we know we're blue and as the numbers keep piling up it becomes more and more likely someone was lying so in that sense i'm not sure where the paranoia on rayn was coming from in artanis' case like i 100% get ExO_s issue with the way the vote went down if he's blue cause i had issues with rayn's claim and onegu's...HF i trusted and the git was sitting there fake-claiming mason lol No it's not being read in too much. Mafia has to make up stuff to scumread townies and if you find arguments that are really easy to make and don't involve the individual play, that also applies to claims, then you can be sure it could have come from mafia. Artanis starts his post with the premise of vets being in the scum team which just sounds like a lazy justification for his scumreads on VE and rayn, and at the same time posts something that invalidates his own reasoning to not look like he's stretching it too much. And Toad if you want to discuss with me why I think you're scum do it without whining. Why shoot VE and why not consider LS for lynching D1 even though your post suggested you would? Like, I had every reason to scumread Trfel and I didn't shoot him cause a good vig doesn't go for the hero play, he removes people nobody bothers with or is capable of reading. but fine if you want it: I shot VE because I was told to shoot him. I had a massive townread on HF/Eden and I wanted to shoot my target. I was convinced to shoot who I'm supposed to shoot after all so I did that. Nothing more, nothing else. Had I not done that you would be dead by now because it was between shooting you and listening to HF/Eden. It never was between my #1 scumread and any other scumreads. It was between doing what I want and doing what I'm told to do.
Okay, so you went for the awful play and shot a guy who is able to post normally. You didn't post about your LS read but let's skip that for a moment. Would you lynch Artanis tomorrow?
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On March 23 2015 03:20 rsoultin wrote:
i know that i'm getting sick of artanis' she's town cause she has a ton of posts -_- that's true, but it's like the easiest read on me ever
like, honestly, if i can't keep myself from getting lynched without eden/art running interference i'm the shittiest player here and should only play in newbies...that i then inevitably fuck up lol ><
The only guy calling you scum is rayn so far, cause he doesn't buy you jailing Onegu cause medic dodge.
I'm going with the theory you're town for pretty much the same reasons Artanis does. You don't seem to have trouble posting, but what you do have trouble with is getting some firm scumreads out there.
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On March 23 2015 03:25 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2015 03:20 Toadesstern wrote:On March 23 2015 03:13 Vivax wrote:On March 23 2015 03:06 rsoultin wrote:On March 23 2015 02:59 Vivax wrote:
Rsoultin.
- Host wifom dictates there's at least one vet on the team. -> argumentation for scumreading VE and rayn.
- It's possible RNG made it that way.
Can you tell me how these two mesh? i don't see why either arguments should be made at all frankly? lol like, seriously, either it's RNG or the hosts adjusted. either way we won't know which is what he was saying it's a bad reason to scumread anyone, but doesn't that ignore the rest of his post where he did present reasons for scumreading them both beyond RNG or whatever? it's a shit post but this feels like it's being read into too much ... on the other hand the thing that just occurred to me is that for someone like ExO_ (assuming his claim is true) or me, or you...a blue claim should be met with more paranoia simply because we know we're blue and as the numbers keep piling up it becomes more and more likely someone was lying so in that sense i'm not sure where the paranoia on rayn was coming from in artanis' case like i 100% get ExO_s issue with the way the vote went down if he's blue cause i had issues with rayn's claim and onegu's...HF i trusted and the git was sitting there fake-claiming mason lol No it's not being read in too much. Mafia has to make up stuff to scumread townies and if you find arguments that are really easy to make and don't involve the individual play, that also applies to claims, then you can be sure it could have come from mafia. Artanis starts his post with the premise of vets being in the scum team which just sounds like a lazy justification for his scumreads on VE and rayn, and at the same time posts something that invalidates his own reasoning to not look like he's stretching it too much. And Toad if you want to discuss with me why I think you're scum do it without whining. Why shoot VE and why not consider LS for lynching D1 even though your post suggested you would? Like, I had every reason to scumread Trfel and I didn't shoot him cause a good vig doesn't go for the hero play, he removes people nobody bothers with or is capable of reading. but fine if you want it: I shot VE because I was told to shoot him. I had a massive townread on HF/Eden and I wanted to shoot my target. I was convinced to shoot who I'm supposed to shoot after all so I did that. Nothing more, nothing else. Had I not done that you would be dead by now because it was between shooting you and listening to HF/Eden. It never was between my #1 scumread and any other scumreads. It was between doing what I want and doing what I'm told to do. Okay, so you went for the awful play and shot a guy who is able to post normally. You didn't post about your LS read but let's skip that for a moment. Would you lynch Artanis tomorrow?
No? He's town
I never had a LS read... I even had him on my sheet as "null, slightly leaning mafia" iirc what are you even talkinga bout.
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On March 22 2015 07:57 Holyflare wrote:
Look vivax shoot slam and toad shoot ve or something
On March 22 2015 06:23 Eden1892 wrote:
decent logic on exo there.
vivax who you shootin bruh? slam yeah?
toad who you shootin bruh? ve yeah?
but hey we're back to Vivax throwing shit at me for no reason calling it a shit shot because HE thinks so... just that this time I'm actually sure he's town and doing it because pants-on-Head
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On March 23 2015 03:28 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2015 03:25 Vivax wrote:On March 23 2015 03:20 Toadesstern wrote:On March 23 2015 03:13 Vivax wrote:On March 23 2015 03:06 rsoultin wrote:On March 23 2015 02:59 Vivax wrote:
Rsoultin.
- Host wifom dictates there's at least one vet on the team. -> argumentation for scumreading VE and rayn.
- It's possible RNG made it that way.
Can you tell me how these two mesh? i don't see why either arguments should be made at all frankly? lol like, seriously, either it's RNG or the hosts adjusted. either way we won't know which is what he was saying it's a bad reason to scumread anyone, but doesn't that ignore the rest of his post where he did present reasons for scumreading them both beyond RNG or whatever? it's a shit post but this feels like it's being read into too much ... on the other hand the thing that just occurred to me is that for someone like ExO_ (assuming his claim is true) or me, or you...a blue claim should be met with more paranoia simply because we know we're blue and as the numbers keep piling up it becomes more and more likely someone was lying so in that sense i'm not sure where the paranoia on rayn was coming from in artanis' case like i 100% get ExO_s issue with the way the vote went down if he's blue cause i had issues with rayn's claim and onegu's...HF i trusted and the git was sitting there fake-claiming mason lol No it's not being read in too much. Mafia has to make up stuff to scumread townies and if you find arguments that are really easy to make and don't involve the individual play, that also applies to claims, then you can be sure it could have come from mafia. Artanis starts his post with the premise of vets being in the scum team which just sounds like a lazy justification for his scumreads on VE and rayn, and at the same time posts something that invalidates his own reasoning to not look like he's stretching it too much. And Toad if you want to discuss with me why I think you're scum do it without whining. Why shoot VE and why not consider LS for lynching D1 even though your post suggested you would? Like, I had every reason to scumread Trfel and I didn't shoot him cause a good vig doesn't go for the hero play, he removes people nobody bothers with or is capable of reading. but fine if you want it: I shot VE because I was told to shoot him. I had a massive townread on HF/Eden and I wanted to shoot my target. I was convinced to shoot who I'm supposed to shoot after all so I did that. Nothing more, nothing else. Had I not done that you would be dead by now because it was between shooting you and listening to HF/Eden. It never was between my #1 scumread and any other scumreads. It was between doing what I want and doing what I'm told to do. Okay, so you went for the awful play and shot a guy who is able to post normally. You didn't post about your LS read but let's skip that for a moment. Would you lynch Artanis tomorrow? No? He's town I never had a LS read... I even had him on my sheet as "null, slightly leaning mafia" iirc what are you even talkinga bout.
LS seems very political correct. I mostly remember him for talking about how he co-hosted or hosted one of the games I played in (either hammer or Joat I guess) and explaining how my stance might make sense. Easy stuff to talk about, add that up with actually thinking I'm town (apparently?) and I get the shivers. Like I said, I get the feeling a lot of mafias just tend to give me townreads or nullreads based on my lenghty posts and it didn't feel like with other people like Eden who actually read my posts.
So with that being said I'd be up for lynching Palmar / Artanis+Rayn / Vivax+LS right now
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On March 23 2015 03:32 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2015 03:28 Toadesstern wrote:On March 23 2015 03:25 Vivax wrote:On March 23 2015 03:20 Toadesstern wrote:On March 23 2015 03:13 Vivax wrote:On March 23 2015 03:06 rsoultin wrote:On March 23 2015 02:59 Vivax wrote:
Rsoultin.
- Host wifom dictates there's at least one vet on the team. -> argumentation for scumreading VE and rayn.
- It's possible RNG made it that way.
Can you tell me how these two mesh? i don't see why either arguments should be made at all frankly? lol like, seriously, either it's RNG or the hosts adjusted. either way we won't know which is what he was saying it's a bad reason to scumread anyone, but doesn't that ignore the rest of his post where he did present reasons for scumreading them both beyond RNG or whatever? it's a shit post but this feels like it's being read into too much ... on the other hand the thing that just occurred to me is that for someone like ExO_ (assuming his claim is true) or me, or you...a blue claim should be met with more paranoia simply because we know we're blue and as the numbers keep piling up it becomes more and more likely someone was lying so in that sense i'm not sure where the paranoia on rayn was coming from in artanis' case like i 100% get ExO_s issue with the way the vote went down if he's blue cause i had issues with rayn's claim and onegu's...HF i trusted and the git was sitting there fake-claiming mason lol No it's not being read in too much. Mafia has to make up stuff to scumread townies and if you find arguments that are really easy to make and don't involve the individual play, that also applies to claims, then you can be sure it could have come from mafia. Artanis starts his post with the premise of vets being in the scum team which just sounds like a lazy justification for his scumreads on VE and rayn, and at the same time posts something that invalidates his own reasoning to not look like he's stretching it too much. And Toad if you want to discuss with me why I think you're scum do it without whining. Why shoot VE and why not consider LS for lynching D1 even though your post suggested you would? Like, I had every reason to scumread Trfel and I didn't shoot him cause a good vig doesn't go for the hero play, he removes people nobody bothers with or is capable of reading. but fine if you want it: I shot VE because I was told to shoot him. I had a massive townread on HF/Eden and I wanted to shoot my target. I was convinced to shoot who I'm supposed to shoot after all so I did that. Nothing more, nothing else. Had I not done that you would be dead by now because it was between shooting you and listening to HF/Eden. It never was between my #1 scumread and any other scumreads. It was between doing what I want and doing what I'm told to do. Okay, so you went for the awful play and shot a guy who is able to post normally. You didn't post about your LS read but let's skip that for a moment. Would you lynch Artanis tomorrow? No? He's town I never had a LS read... I even had him on my sheet as "null, slightly leaning mafia" iirc what are you even talkinga bout. Show nested quote +LS seems very political correct. I mostly remember him for talking about how he co-hosted or hosted one of the games I played in (either hammer or Joat I guess) and explaining how my stance might make sense. Easy stuff to talk about, add that up with actually thinking I'm town (apparently?) and I get the shivers. Like I said, I get the feeling a lot of mafias just tend to give me townreads or nullreads based on my lenghty posts and it didn't feel like with other people like Eden who actually read my posts.
So with that being said I'd be up for lynching Palmar / Artanis+Rayn / Vivax+LS right now
well and that is just that, slightly leaning mafia on d1.
Read the actual reasoning you just quoted and tell me with a straight face that was a strong read I was really convinced in.
It's a gutread and nothing else. Yes I'm willing to lynch into those d1 if they're up for lynch. No I'm not going to push them until they get stronger.
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Why did you even want to lynch Artanis???
Artanis I think has a decent chance to flip mafia. He has done a lot more though ever since he got some heat. Have not yet figured out if him going everywhere and voting whatever comes in front of his visor is particularly townish or scummy yet.
Artanis might flip mafia.
But Artanis did a lot more.
I don't know if Artanis going after every target is town or scum.
But I would lynch Artanis.
This doesn't sound like a scumread at all. It's a plain "would lynch" with nullish points chained onto it. Can you point anyone to a reason you scumread him in the first place?
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On March 23 2015 03:27 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2015 03:20 rsoultin wrote:
i know that i'm getting sick of artanis' she's town cause she has a ton of posts -_- that's true, but it's like the easiest read on me ever
like, honestly, if i can't keep myself from getting lynched without eden/art running interference i'm the shittiest player here and should only play in newbies...that i then inevitably fuck up lol >< The only guy calling you scum is rayn so far, cause he doesn't buy you jailing Onegu cause medic dodge. I'm going with the theory you're town for pretty much the same reasons Artanis does. You don't seem to have trouble posting, but what you do have trouble with is getting some firm scumreads out there.
that's kind of the point?
eden's probably just being protective (and proud of his read lol ><) but like what is the point of even defending me when i don't need defending?
lol >< eh
my confidence in my reads is just not there after being wrong as many times as i've been. i can make anything sound/look right pretty much as long as i believe what i'm saying and i don't want to lead people on wild goose chases, but if that's what y'all keep clamoring for, i can do that, too
i've been told more than once by different people they'd rather me play town leader even with my bad reads lol >< things just tend to go wrong when i do that
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On March 23 2015 03:35 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2015 03:32 Vivax wrote:On March 23 2015 03:28 Toadesstern wrote:On March 23 2015 03:25 Vivax wrote:On March 23 2015 03:20 Toadesstern wrote:On March 23 2015 03:13 Vivax wrote:On March 23 2015 03:06 rsoultin wrote:On March 23 2015 02:59 Vivax wrote:
Rsoultin.
- Host wifom dictates there's at least one vet on the team. -> argumentation for scumreading VE and rayn.
- It's possible RNG made it that way.
Can you tell me how these two mesh? i don't see why either arguments should be made at all frankly? lol like, seriously, either it's RNG or the hosts adjusted. either way we won't know which is what he was saying it's a bad reason to scumread anyone, but doesn't that ignore the rest of his post where he did present reasons for scumreading them both beyond RNG or whatever? it's a shit post but this feels like it's being read into too much ... on the other hand the thing that just occurred to me is that for someone like ExO_ (assuming his claim is true) or me, or you...a blue claim should be met with more paranoia simply because we know we're blue and as the numbers keep piling up it becomes more and more likely someone was lying so in that sense i'm not sure where the paranoia on rayn was coming from in artanis' case like i 100% get ExO_s issue with the way the vote went down if he's blue cause i had issues with rayn's claim and onegu's...HF i trusted and the git was sitting there fake-claiming mason lol No it's not being read in too much. Mafia has to make up stuff to scumread townies and if you find arguments that are really easy to make and don't involve the individual play, that also applies to claims, then you can be sure it could have come from mafia. Artanis starts his post with the premise of vets being in the scum team which just sounds like a lazy justification for his scumreads on VE and rayn, and at the same time posts something that invalidates his own reasoning to not look like he's stretching it too much. And Toad if you want to discuss with me why I think you're scum do it without whining. Why shoot VE and why not consider LS for lynching D1 even though your post suggested you would? Like, I had every reason to scumread Trfel and I didn't shoot him cause a good vig doesn't go for the hero play, he removes people nobody bothers with or is capable of reading. but fine if you want it: I shot VE because I was told to shoot him. I had a massive townread on HF/Eden and I wanted to shoot my target. I was convinced to shoot who I'm supposed to shoot after all so I did that. Nothing more, nothing else. Had I not done that you would be dead by now because it was between shooting you and listening to HF/Eden. It never was between my #1 scumread and any other scumreads. It was between doing what I want and doing what I'm told to do. Okay, so you went for the awful play and shot a guy who is able to post normally. You didn't post about your LS read but let's skip that for a moment. Would you lynch Artanis tomorrow? No? He's town I never had a LS read... I even had him on my sheet as "null, slightly leaning mafia" iirc what are you even talkinga bout. LS seems very political correct. I mostly remember him for talking about how he co-hosted or hosted one of the games I played in (either hammer or Joat I guess) and explaining how my stance might make sense. Easy stuff to talk about, add that up with actually thinking I'm town (apparently?) and I get the shivers. Like I said, I get the feeling a lot of mafias just tend to give me townreads or nullreads based on my lenghty posts and it didn't feel like with other people like Eden who actually read my posts.
So with that being said I'd be up for lynching Palmar / Artanis+Rayn / Vivax+LS right now well and that is just that, slightly leaning mafia on d1. Read the actual reasoning you just quoted and tell me with a straight face that was a strong read I was really convinced in. It's a gutread and nothing else. Yes I'm willing to lynch into those d1 if they're up for lynch. No I'm not going to push them until they get stronger.
Well of all the people you mentioned as gutreads I ended up being your favourite when I already had the most votes while everyone who was your strong read (and you included Artanis among your strong reads) became a secondary preference.
When you mention Artanis you don't refer to the wall of text, you mention activity related reasons for being unsure about him that weren't even the main point of your case on him, here.
In your case we find this:
Feels like he's pushing me because he wants to push me rather than actually being convinced I'm mafia.
But later you put him off the table for this:
He has done a lot more though ever since he got some heat. Have not yet figured out if him going everywhere and voting whatever comes in front of his visor is particularly townish or scummy yet.
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On March 23 2015 03:37 Vivax wrote:Why did you even want to lynch Artanis??? Show nested quote +Artanis I think has a decent chance to flip mafia. He has done a lot more though ever since he got some heat. Have not yet figured out if him going everywhere and voting whatever comes in front of his visor is particularly townish or scummy yet. Artanis might flip mafia. But Artanis did a lot more. I don't know if Artanis going after every target is town or scum. But I would lynch Artanis. This doesn't sound like a scumread at all. It's a plain "would lynch" with nullish points chained onto it. Can you point anyone to a reason you scumread him in the first place?
In case you forgot:
On March 20 2015 02:20 Toadesstern wrote:okay here's the thing about Artanis, to get this straight with context I'll explain the context for you guys as well! It is 24:00 CET, the game begings. Toad is currently playing boat-moba thus only posting inbetween and didn't even realize the game started. Thus the rushed inbetween posts while alt-tabbing in games. About 01:00 CET, my internet crashes and I am afk for about... idk at least an hour About 02:00 CET, I'm back and actually doing stuff. You might not agree with things I did like my Palmar read but I did some stuff. Enough for people to figure out that I don't like Palmar and want him lynched at least. This continues until around 05:30 CET. Argueably I got distracted everytime HF got in the thread but I felt like I was actually getting my thoughts out at least when I made it pretty obvious that I don't want to lean back another game as townie and just lose that way. So that's the basic background, Artanis gets in the thread and posts this: Show nested quote +On March 19 2015 20:55 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
1) I'm reading Toad's filter now and the only thing I got out of it was that he thinks Palmar is scum, some interactions with SL 2) and a lot of fluff particularly on Pg 2. 3) What I don't really understand is why he let go of the Palmar scum theory in favour of chasing SL, then jumped back to Palmar without any real 'trigger' for it other than rsoultin asking him.
Problem with that is that he mentions he's back to voting for Palmar in response to that question before he expands, so he had already been thinking of switching back to Palmar before anyone triggered him. Palmar hadn't posted between the time Toad switched to SL and went back to Palmar. 3 important things here: 1) Hypocrisy. He even mentioned someone else being a hypocrite towards him and fos'es me for only getting 1 mafiaread during the time between... 00:00AM and 05:30AM? He knows I'm from europe, he knows I've got to sleep, heck I even wrote it in the thread and he says he doesn't know enough about my reads despite him not giving out a single hard read up to that point. Check his filter up to that point and you won't find anything and yet he criticizes me for that? 2) He knows me. Everyone on here that knows me knows that I'm the boxxy of TL-mafia. I post a lot. I post a lot of big walls that noone reads. Chances are you, my dear non-reader, aren't actually reading this very sentence because you already gave up on it because it's too long and fully. That's what I do. No matter of alignment. Every single game. Sorry I just can't help it but he knows that I do it and he knows that I do it no matter of alignment. There's a big famous game that I had with VE + gom... whatever his name was that had like 200pages by the end of d2 because we're all very talkactive. He knows about that shit. He should not bring up my fluffyness no matter how cute I am. 3) I never gave up on Palmar. I think I made it plenty clear that I want him lynched and if I ever get the chance to lynch him I'm going to grab that chance and kick him out of this game. So HF reads me mafia for focussing too much on Palmar, Artanis reads me mafia for not focusing enough on Palmar and discussing other people even if I think Palmar is 99% confirmed mafia at this point. Great. Did anyone here really think I let go of my Palmar read in general? I thought it was pretty damn obvious that I was just putting it aside for a sec to discuss some other stuff at that time, in this case SL. Feels like he's pushing me because he wants to push me rather than actually being convinced I'm mafia. He directly goes against what HF thinks and comes to the same conclusion as HF with the opposite interpretation with his #3. He knows better than to use #2 and he himself is worse than me for what he's accusing me about with his #1 at that point in time. The one thing Artanis has going for himself is that he apparently thinks I'm mafia. Mafias don't tend to mafiaread me because I post too big walloftexts and they're too lazy to actually read them so they'll nullread me or townread me because "wow, much text, very town"But the reasoning is really bad here. Still want to lynch Palmar. I'd be up for Artanis though.
That's why I innitially wanted to lynch Artanis.
And he DID do a lot more ever since that. What you just quoted is me acknowledging that Artanis might actually be town at a time when I heavily mafiaread him. I acknowledged it based on him actually scumhunting in all different places.
So yes, that's not a reason why I wanted to lynch Artanis. That's the reason why I started to townread Artanis.
But yeah good job completly ignoring my case on Artanis that people called really good, a lot of people actually wanted to lynch Artanis, you even called me mafia at that point for going for the "low hanging fruits", which you completly ignore right now saying I didn't have any reasoning for lynching Artanis at that point and quoting my post that tells people I actually think Artanis might be town to show "lookylooky, he had really shit reasoning for Artanis" instead of quoting my reasoning for wanting to lynch him...
Should I start quoting you explaining why you townread someone later on in the game that you ended up voting earlier and asking why that quote doesn't show how you're scumreading? I can go out of context as well if you want to shit this up any further.
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On March 23 2015 03:43 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2015 03:35 Toadesstern wrote:On March 23 2015 03:32 Vivax wrote:On March 23 2015 03:28 Toadesstern wrote:On March 23 2015 03:25 Vivax wrote:On March 23 2015 03:20 Toadesstern wrote:On March 23 2015 03:13 Vivax wrote:On March 23 2015 03:06 rsoultin wrote:On March 23 2015 02:59 Vivax wrote:
Rsoultin.
- Host wifom dictates there's at least one vet on the team. -> argumentation for scumreading VE and rayn.
- It's possible RNG made it that way.
Can you tell me how these two mesh? i don't see why either arguments should be made at all frankly? lol like, seriously, either it's RNG or the hosts adjusted. either way we won't know which is what he was saying it's a bad reason to scumread anyone, but doesn't that ignore the rest of his post where he did present reasons for scumreading them both beyond RNG or whatever? it's a shit post but this feels like it's being read into too much ... on the other hand the thing that just occurred to me is that for someone like ExO_ (assuming his claim is true) or me, or you...a blue claim should be met with more paranoia simply because we know we're blue and as the numbers keep piling up it becomes more and more likely someone was lying so in that sense i'm not sure where the paranoia on rayn was coming from in artanis' case like i 100% get ExO_s issue with the way the vote went down if he's blue cause i had issues with rayn's claim and onegu's...HF i trusted and the git was sitting there fake-claiming mason lol No it's not being read in too much. Mafia has to make up stuff to scumread townies and if you find arguments that are really easy to make and don't involve the individual play, that also applies to claims, then you can be sure it could have come from mafia. Artanis starts his post with the premise of vets being in the scum team which just sounds like a lazy justification for his scumreads on VE and rayn, and at the same time posts something that invalidates his own reasoning to not look like he's stretching it too much. And Toad if you want to discuss with me why I think you're scum do it without whining. Why shoot VE and why not consider LS for lynching D1 even though your post suggested you would? Like, I had every reason to scumread Trfel and I didn't shoot him cause a good vig doesn't go for the hero play, he removes people nobody bothers with or is capable of reading. but fine if you want it: I shot VE because I was told to shoot him. I had a massive townread on HF/Eden and I wanted to shoot my target. I was convinced to shoot who I'm supposed to shoot after all so I did that. Nothing more, nothing else. Had I not done that you would be dead by now because it was between shooting you and listening to HF/Eden. It never was between my #1 scumread and any other scumreads. It was between doing what I want and doing what I'm told to do. Okay, so you went for the awful play and shot a guy who is able to post normally. You didn't post about your LS read but let's skip that for a moment. Would you lynch Artanis tomorrow? No? He's town I never had a LS read... I even had him on my sheet as "null, slightly leaning mafia" iirc what are you even talkinga bout. LS seems very political correct. I mostly remember him for talking about how he co-hosted or hosted one of the games I played in (either hammer or Joat I guess) and explaining how my stance might make sense. Easy stuff to talk about, add that up with actually thinking I'm town (apparently?) and I get the shivers. Like I said, I get the feeling a lot of mafias just tend to give me townreads or nullreads based on my lenghty posts and it didn't feel like with other people like Eden who actually read my posts.
So with that being said I'd be up for lynching Palmar / Artanis+Rayn / Vivax+LS right now well and that is just that, slightly leaning mafia on d1. Read the actual reasoning you just quoted and tell me with a straight face that was a strong read I was really convinced in. It's a gutread and nothing else. Yes I'm willing to lynch into those d1 if they're up for lynch. No I'm not going to push them until they get stronger. Well of all the people you mentioned as gutreads I ended up being your favourite when I already had the most votes while everyone who was your strong read (and you included Artanis among your strong reads) became a secondary preference. When you mention Artanis you don't refer to the wall of text, you mention activity related reasons for being unsure about him that weren't even the main point of your case on him, here. In your case we find this: Show nested quote +Feels like he's pushing me because he wants to push me rather than actually being convinced I'm mafia. But later you put him off the table for this: Show nested quote +He has done a lot more though ever since he got some heat. Have not yet figured out if him going everywhere and voting whatever comes in front of his visor is particularly townish or scummy yet.
He has done more. If you honestly think there is a world in which Artanis is mafia in this game based on his activity you are insane and we are done talking. Period
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But that's the point!
I don't read him by activity.
You scumread him for his content and reconsidered on activity.
And when I say you went for the low hanging fruit I mean that you displayed the mafia trait of talking about everyone that was a possible lynch even when they were just null reads. I don't see the point of talking about my null reads unless asked about it.
The thing is: You came into the thread, checked the important wagons, and to fake scumhunt commented on each one of them, instead of commenting on things you really found important: Your scumreads.
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I made this argument previously and you said "but Palmar is in there". Well no shit Palmar is in there only a dumb scum would forget about the guy he called scum so confidently. But what was the point of even posting about Damdred and SL?
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On March 23 2015 03:43 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2015 03:35 Toadesstern wrote:On March 23 2015 03:32 Vivax wrote:On March 23 2015 03:28 Toadesstern wrote:On March 23 2015 03:25 Vivax wrote:On March 23 2015 03:20 Toadesstern wrote:On March 23 2015 03:13 Vivax wrote:On March 23 2015 03:06 rsoultin wrote:On March 23 2015 02:59 Vivax wrote:
Rsoultin.
- Host wifom dictates there's at least one vet on the team. -> argumentation for scumreading VE and rayn.
- It's possible RNG made it that way.
Can you tell me how these two mesh? i don't see why either arguments should be made at all frankly? lol like, seriously, either it's RNG or the hosts adjusted. either way we won't know which is what he was saying it's a bad reason to scumread anyone, but doesn't that ignore the rest of his post where he did present reasons for scumreading them both beyond RNG or whatever? it's a shit post but this feels like it's being read into too much ... on the other hand the thing that just occurred to me is that for someone like ExO_ (assuming his claim is true) or me, or you...a blue claim should be met with more paranoia simply because we know we're blue and as the numbers keep piling up it becomes more and more likely someone was lying so in that sense i'm not sure where the paranoia on rayn was coming from in artanis' case like i 100% get ExO_s issue with the way the vote went down if he's blue cause i had issues with rayn's claim and onegu's...HF i trusted and the git was sitting there fake-claiming mason lol No it's not being read in too much. Mafia has to make up stuff to scumread townies and if you find arguments that are really easy to make and don't involve the individual play, that also applies to claims, then you can be sure it could have come from mafia. Artanis starts his post with the premise of vets being in the scum team which just sounds like a lazy justification for his scumreads on VE and rayn, and at the same time posts something that invalidates his own reasoning to not look like he's stretching it too much. And Toad if you want to discuss with me why I think you're scum do it without whining. Why shoot VE and why not consider LS for lynching D1 even though your post suggested you would? Like, I had every reason to scumread Trfel and I didn't shoot him cause a good vig doesn't go for the hero play, he removes people nobody bothers with or is capable of reading. but fine if you want it: I shot VE because I was told to shoot him. I had a massive townread on HF/Eden and I wanted to shoot my target. I was convinced to shoot who I'm supposed to shoot after all so I did that. Nothing more, nothing else. Had I not done that you would be dead by now because it was between shooting you and listening to HF/Eden. It never was between my #1 scumread and any other scumreads. It was between doing what I want and doing what I'm told to do. Okay, so you went for the awful play and shot a guy who is able to post normally. You didn't post about your LS read but let's skip that for a moment. Would you lynch Artanis tomorrow? No? He's town I never had a LS read... I even had him on my sheet as "null, slightly leaning mafia" iirc what are you even talkinga bout. LS seems very political correct. I mostly remember him for talking about how he co-hosted or hosted one of the games I played in (either hammer or Joat I guess) and explaining how my stance might make sense. Easy stuff to talk about, add that up with actually thinking I'm town (apparently?) and I get the shivers. Like I said, I get the feeling a lot of mafias just tend to give me townreads or nullreads based on my lenghty posts and it didn't feel like with other people like Eden who actually read my posts.
So with that being said I'd be up for lynching Palmar / Artanis+Rayn / Vivax+LS right now well and that is just that, slightly leaning mafia on d1. Read the actual reasoning you just quoted and tell me with a straight face that was a strong read I was really convinced in. It's a gutread and nothing else. Yes I'm willing to lynch into those d1 if they're up for lynch. No I'm not going to push them until they get stronger. Well of all the people you mentioned as gutreads I ended up being your favourite when I already had the most votes while everyone who was your strong read (and you included Artanis among your strong reads) became a secondary preference. When you mention Artanis you don't refer to the wall of text, you mention activity related reasons for being unsure about him that weren't even the main point of your case on him, here. In your case we find this: Show nested quote +Feels like he's pushing me because he wants to push me rather than actually being convinced I'm mafia. But later you put him off the table for this: Show nested quote +He has done a lot more though ever since he got some heat. Have not yet figured out if him going everywhere and voting whatever comes in front of his visor is particularly townish or scummy yet.
You are under the impression that I think everything I say has to be 100% correct, and the only way I every change a read is to disprove that established 100% read.
Example:
I thought you are mafia because you are throwing shit at me for the sake of throwing shit at me. You do that at deadline and follow up with a claim that is my role. Of course I think you're mafia
I still think you threw shit at me, but I came to the conclusion that you threw shit at me because you're Vivax and not for the sake of throwing shit at me. I came to that conclusion because the longer it went and the more you posted the more unlikely it became that my innitial conclusion was correct. Not because your posts proved them wrong, nothing you did could prove that you didn't do it for the sake of throwing shit. It changed because you posted so much and ramped up your activity to the point that I considered it more likely that you're just bad and the activity is and involvement is the better read than the "throwing shit" read.
Thus I changed my read without ever chaning my opinion on you throwing shit at me. I just changed the conclusion that it wasn't done on purpoe. You're just doing it because you're pants-on-head Vivax.
Same thing happened with Artanis. I did not have to disprove my innitial reasoning to townread him. I just have to come to the conclusion that something else is more likely to be the case.
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On March 23 2015 03:53 Vivax wrote:
I made this argument previously and you said "but Palmar is in there". Well no shit Palmar is in there only a dumb scum would forget about the guy he called scum so confidently. But what was the point of even posting about Damdred and SL?
because they were possible lynches? To state that I'm in theory willing to lynch them because I had no townread on either of the two at that point while vastly prefering my own reads?
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You weren't in theory willing to lynch them
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So with that being said I'd be up for lynching Palmar / Artanis+Rayn / Vivax+LS right now.
No SL and Dam in here.
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On March 23 2015 03:57 Vivax wrote:
You weren't in theory willing to lynch them
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at that time I was. Why else would I have included them?
You see when I wanted to have you dead later on I only talked about you and lynching you. Noone else. Because I wasn't willing to go for anyone else at that point. You even agree with that, you just said so. You just aren't willing to look at the timestamps and acknowledge that people's reads and stances change.
I was willing to lynch them at that point. When you claimed Vig, that very second, everything else was gone for me and it was you or noone for me. And you're just ignoring that trying show all kinds of quotes out of context for the last 60 minutes.
You show that quote from me about my options and "disprove" it by talking about my state of mind hours later.
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