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KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
On February 26 2015 03:51 KelsierSC wrote: Ive actually made good contributions over the past 8 hours. Artanis isn't here..i want YOUR answers and so far they are wanting Fixed | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On February 26 2015 03:28 Damdred wrote: I stopped pushing it for two seconds waiting on hts to do stuff then kel replaced in theris a bit of a difference I think. I didn't write a case exactly, and after I said I would back off I still wrote why I think they are scum and pressured kel and eden. Here we have, someone go I think this person is mafia! A few hours later they give a meta post explaining why they were wrong and they are now town. However you have pro I think it was say this wasn't the snarf he remembers and he would of went for the throat. Directly after this he comes up with a hard scum read on node when everything he scum read that person for had already happened in the thread before he made the town read. He then under light pressure and no push to get people to consier node as mafia says hes been gone to long drops it. Says artanis is scummy, drops it after nobody agrees, moves on to say he would lynch tormented. Then votes kel a few seconds later for hts being wishy washy. Its a totally different thing Alright. Artanis when you get back, are you still on tormented? What are your thoughts on snarfs exactly? | ||
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KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
If he isn't lying then why have you gone against how you play as town. I know the answer to this one...cos your mafia! | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
Gotta think about it but i'm bak on the road now then eating. | ||
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KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
SL feel free to give some other reads now I will let you play for a bit. | ||
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sicklucker
Canada16986 Posts
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sicklucker
Canada16986 Posts
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KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
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KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
Me as mafia. | ||
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sicklucker
Canada16986 Posts
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KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
To me it seemed you twisted artanis's words to make his lie look better, like you were scared to.call him mafia. Why cant he just be lying about your play. | ||
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KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
Give some reads that don't suck balls | ||
yamato77
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Snarfs
Canada1006 Posts
On February 26 2015 03:28 Damdred wrote: I stopped pushing it for two seconds waiting on hts to do stuff then kel replaced in theris a bit of a difference I think. I didn't write a case exactly, and after I said I would back off I still wrote why I think they are scum and pressured kel and eden. Here we have, someone go I think this person is mafia! A few hours later they give a meta post explaining why they were wrong and they are now town. However you have pro I think it was say this wasn't the snarf he remembers and he would of went for the throat. Directly after this he comes up with a hard scum read on node when everything he scum read that person for had already happened in the thread before he made the town read. Kind of embarassing to admit since it (the idea, not the read) seems terrible now, but I thought it'd be really cool if Prob said that and then I could come in and drop a sick scumread and nail someone and everyone would lynch him and I'd be crowned in glory. Prob would be all "yeaaaaaaa" and I'd be all "that's right boys, still got it". So I put my best case together which happened to be Node at the time and I posted it. Also, not everything had already happened. My third point, which I've tried to make clear I feel is the strongest point, had not happened yet when I gave him a town read. He then under light pressure and no push to get people to consier node as mafia says hes been gone to long drops it. Says artanis is scummy, drops it after nobody agrees, moves on to say he would lynch tormented. Then votes kel a few seconds later for hts being wishy washy. A lot of people came into the thread between last night and this morning and essentially either ignored the case or implied it was bad. Not a single person thought I had a single good point. Why would I try to push that? Kel demanded I vote him, sl or yamato. I think Kel is the most likely scum so fuck it, why not? And I would vote Tormented if he was up for debate, but I actually agree with Kel that we should be deciding on a lynch at this point, not adding more people into the equation. Its a totally different thing | ||
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KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
On February 26 2015 04:31 yamato77 wrote: Kels what do you think of snarfs? I had him as tone town early and haven't really read him since. Can I get back to you in like 30 minutes and give you my read on him. | ||
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KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
I think he was pretty happy to accept the consolidation of votes that didn't contain his scum reads which is interesting. Maybe he did just think it was a good idea and thought he should vote the scummiest. This is kind of assosciative buy I'm.surprised I'm the scummiest person to him in that group. Considering node and torment are his scum reads and they both thought I was scummy. I suppose it depends on how strong his scum reads are. Id read him town if he has strong scum reads and gives them now... | ||
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Eden1892
United States5866 Posts
On February 25 2015 22:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Eden how are you so sure that Tormented is a distraction lynch over just, you know, actually being scum? I've established how his thought process makes no sense and no one has come up with a reasonable argument against it. His thought process not making sense isn't alignment-indicative to me. People can be bad at mafia, or I can just not understand a person's thought process. What mattered more to me is that he seemed pretty sincere about what he was saying. It kinda felt like a "checklist" lynch - like we have a list of things mafia tend to do, and the arguments just kinda went down the list and checked things off, without looking for the deeper motivation and context of why Tormented was saying what he was saying. On February 25 2015 22:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Also I don't think your wave case is that strong. I pointed out that he was adhering more to thread sentiment already here and he replied that he's changing his meta. I actually feel like he's been probing people's thoughts for the most part in the rest of the game. I also don't think his suspicion of Tronak is contradictory; he could simply find it stronger than the case on Tormented, though I still don't understand why people keep ignoring that case. "Adhering more to thread sentiment" isn't what Wave was doing with Kelsier. He just floats the question out there and does nothing with it afterward. He even said "I think this is a scummy question" and then ignored me when I asked why. That isn't probing people for their thoughts. He kinda did some probing with Damdred which is why I'm a little hesitant (not enough to matter), but after that he just goes on cruise control. And yes, his suspicion of Tronak is contradictory with the quote I provided. He acknowledges a weakness in being able to read new people who say things that are superficially suspicious. A new player says something superficially suspicious. A townie in this situation would question the new player further to understand where that player is coming from, being cognizant of his own weakness in reading and seeking to overcome his bias and find a more accurate read. A mobster in this situation would just vote the guy for contradicting himself and then go "oops, looks like my newbie-reading weakness caught me again, haha!" after the guy flips town. On February 25 2015 21:09 Tronak wrote: About this, Eden what made you abandon your line of scum arguments on Kelsier? Just his case on sicklucker? You considered Yamato a better target? or any other thing I cant arrive to see? I feel I have better targets. I thought HTS was a good lynch since she's never inactive like this, and Kelsier's deliberate obstinacy on entering the game didn't help. But it's difficult for me to tell whether Kelsier's antagonism and obfuscation was from a townie or mafia POV. It's clearly anti-town, but that doesn't make him mafia. I feel I have actual mafia reads on people, so I wanted to give myself some more time to observe him. On February 26 2015 00:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I think this post is very townie because the paranoia is very well articulated and omnipresent in everything, as well as having a very clear idea about what to him is acting in the best interest of town and being congruent in it. This in contrast to Tormented for which, I once again repeat, no one has found a viable explanation regarding his sudden shift in thoughts. I agree with your assessment of Tronak, but not Tormented. The thing Tormented said that made me think the core of your case (inconsistent paranoia) wasn't valid anymore is that he used town reads as filler. It sounds like a silly thing to do and nothing about it is exclusively townie, but when he said that, it just struck me as the most plausible answer. Let's consider a mafia mindset when he posts that list. Giving almost everyone a townread is pretty dumb, wouldn't you say? It'd be hard to walk so much of that back, and it's also hard to even substantiate the reads to begin with. Coming out with a reads list on everyone is not something mafia want to do, because they don't want to commit themselves to something so early and especially not on so many people. I'm done with p35, catching up now. | ||
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KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
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Snarfs
Canada1006 Posts
On February 26 2015 04:47 KelsierSC wrote: Seriously does no one do cryptic crosswords. That makes me sad Wave said he did  On February 26 2015 00:44 WaveofShadow wrote: Shits really hard. I've tried. You have to know all those tricks and what keywords to look for going in. | ||
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Eden1892
United States5866 Posts
Kelsier, sicklucker is town. sicklucker, Kelsier is (probably) town. (Contradicting myself from earlier lol much scum!! But he's actually started getting involved and his lines of questioning make more sense to me. He's not today's lynch.) Y'all stop and help me lynch Wave or yamato, prefs Wave. I kinda get this Yoda Zen sense that Artanis might be mafia but I'm not even entertaining it seriously unless/until Wave flips scum. | ||
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