Newbie Student Mafia VI - Page 42

On February 26 2015 04:54 Eden1892 wrote:
What the hell guys why are you letting yamato and Wave turn this onto Snarfs? These guys are people we're starting to circle and then they're like "yeah lynch snarfs he contradicted himself (because townies NEVER do that!!) once or twice lol!" and now everyone's talking about lynching Snarfs. We're not doing that. Come on.

Kelsier, sicklucker is town.
sicklucker, Kelsier is (probably) town. (Contradicting myself from earlier lol much scum!! But he's actually started getting involved and his lines of questioning make more sense to me. He's not today's lynch.)
Y'all stop and help me lynch Wave or yamato, prefs Wave.

I kinda get this Yoda Zen sense that Artanis might be mafia but I'm not even entertaining it seriously unless/until Wave flips scum.

On February 26 2015 05:05 Eden1892 wrote:
"Throwing dirt"?

Why don't you go ahead and call me mafia if you're gonna spin my arguments with half-baked suspicions like that?

On February 26 2015 05:06 yamato77 wrote:

You're probably mafia.

On February 26 2015 05:12 Eden1892 wrote:

More half-baked suspicions. That all you got?

On February 25 2015 12:50 Eden1892 wrote:

It is a low-quality but very sincere read IMO. I think it is a pretty townie thought process, cause I know when I'm town I'm looking for stuff like that, and as mafia I'm looking not to hand out bad townreads that I might want to walk back later. If they're partners then that goes away, but I think Damdred is town, so I'm not really putting any weight on the possibility

On February 26 2015 04:54 Eden1892 wrote:
I kinda get this Yoda Zen sense that Artanis might be mafia but I'm not even entertaining it seriously unless/until Wave flips scum.

On February 26 2015 04:54 Eden1892 wrote:
What the hell guys why are you letting yamato and Wave turn this onto Snarfs? These guys are people we're starting to circle and then they're like "yeah lynch snarfs he contradicted himself (because townies NEVER do that!!) once or twice lol!" and now everyone's talking about lynching Snarfs. We're not doing that. Come on.

Kelsier, sicklucker is town.
sicklucker, Kelsier is (probably) town. (Contradicting myself from earlier lol much scum!! But he's actually started getting involved and his lines of questioning make more sense to me. He's not today's lynch.)
Y'all stop and help me lynch Wave or yamato, prefs Wave.

I kinda get this Yoda Zen sense that Artanis might be mafia but I'm not even entertaining it seriously unless/until Wave flips scum.

On February 26 2015 05:23 yamato77 wrote:

Like, this is the only real read you've given on Snarfs but you've been chainsaw defending him all game by pushing the people who are suspicious of him.

Regardless of Snarf's alignment, this makes you look incredibly suspicious.

On February 26 2015 05:37 WaveofShadow wrote:

Yup I'm totally leading the snarfs lynch.
Hear that damdred? You should totally lynch me because I'm the one pushing to lynch snarfs, amirite?

On February 26 2015 05:38 Eden1892 wrote:

You're an experienced player, right? Because this is a pretty bad read on me, and it's making me think I should just lynch you if this is honestly the best you have.

I've substantiated my reasons for why I'm pushing the people I'm pushing. They have nothing to do with defending Snarfs. For you to call it a chainsaw defense requires you to prove that (a) I have an interest in defending Snarfs, and (b) my pushes are the result primarily or exclusively of that interest and cannot be in significant part for other reasons. You can't prove either of those, because I don't have any a priori interest in defending Snarfs, and I've already shown that I'm pushing people because I think they're mafia.

On February 25 2015 22:36 Eden1892 wrote:
Ah, one other thing about Wave. Earlier he said this:


Now he's voting Tronak for... what? Something that I'd pretty much to the letter call "'I'm not sure what else to do here' noob play."

I'd almost rather lynch Wave over yamato. How about that? I like my arguments better for lynching him on further reflection.

##UNVOTE
##VOTE: WaveofShadow

On February 26 2015 05:45 WaveofShadow wrote:
Lol you literally said I'm turning this onto snarfs.
I made it very clear I haven't even read the guy properly and haven't had time, nor have I voted him. If anything you're the one flinging shit right now eden.

On February 26 2015 04:45 Eden1892 wrote:
Responding to older stuff I missed b/c I overestimated how much time I had before work. I reserve the right to make hilariously blatant contradictions after I read the posts from after I left


"Adhering more to thread sentiment" isn't what Wave was doing with Kelsier. He just floats the question out there and does nothing with it afterward. He even said "I think this is a scummy question" and then ignored me when I asked why. That isn't probing people for their thoughts. He kinda did some probing with Damdred which is why I'm a little hesitant (not enough to matter), but after that he just goes on cruise control.

And yes, his suspicion of Tronak is contradictory with the quote I provided. He acknowledges a weakness in being able to read new people who say things that are superficially suspicious. A new player says something superficially suspicious. A townie in this situation would question the new player further to understand where that player is coming from, being cognizant of his own weakness in reading and seeking to overcome his bias and find a more accurate read. A mobster in this situation would just vote the guy for contradicting himself and then go "oops, looks like my newbie-reading weakness caught me again, haha!" after the guy flips town.