VII Titanic Mini Mafia: I Have a Cunning Plan... - Page 177

ritoky

United States6851 Posts

February 21 2015 21:25 GMT

#3521

On February 22 2015 02:12 prplhz wrote:
i'll look into a few things now.

you come back after not voting and posting for like 48 hours, and you're going to look into things for 3 hours and do nothing. if you're town, you're essentially anti-town at this point.

Blazinghand

United States25550 Posts

February 21 2015 21:30 GMT

#3522

i don't see any particular reason to not lynch prplhz other than that LS is 100% scum so we should lynch LS first

ritoky

United States6851 Posts

February 21 2015 21:37 GMT

#3523

also there are wayyyyy too many people not trying to solve the game at the moment

I don't see how I can not lynch LS this phase still given the case against him and that he basically conceded as an attempt for sympathy when I asked him to find scum...like that shit just makes me want to lynch him even more.

VayneAuthority

United States8983 Posts

February 21 2015 21:45 GMT

#3524

There's no reason to do anything at this point, just lynch lightningstrike and then we'll go from there. I've looked at the player list multiple times and there is nothing even remotely close to being as good of a lynch.

LightningStrike

United States14276 Posts

February 21 2015 21:58 GMT

#3525

Hey guys this is my case on prplhz being Mafia this game sorry for the delay I had to restart from scartch like I said earlier but without further ab-due here's my case on prplhz being and like I said earlier first thing to note he have a 4 page filter which is extremely small for this game but that alone doesn't make him Mafia. Well let's go to this quote from Day 1 from prplhz which I did question a bit:

On February 14 2015 23:15 prplhz wrote:

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no i rolled mafia so please help me with the blue hunting.

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for realsies?

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why these players?

Now notice he claimed Red which would normally imply Mafia but in this game Town Power roles are Red and Mafia is Blue. Also he seemed to shocked someone called Blazinghand Mafia.
This next quote I finding it pretty weird on certain stuff:

On February 15 2015 00:51 prplhz wrote:

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dunno. i have maybe two slight green reads (robik, rayn) and one red read (me) but i've never been much of a blue hunter (inb4 this is a scum tell). i was hoping someone would convince me with a good case.

i don't like this post at all though

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First he said that Robik and Rayn were green reads of his and it was confirmed that they did in fact flip green. Also he calling himself Red which is in this game a Town Power role but again he still haven't claimed but why soft claim a power role at all unless you were me when I first started playing TL Mafia. Also he doesn't seem to follow up his read on FF on his post.
This post I really dislike a lot:

On February 15 2015 00:53 prplhz wrote:

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wasn't really much of a coaching thing as an "oh my god this could easily lead to 20 pages of ban list discussion and multiple people vowing never to play on tlmafia again because of some minor incident that could just never have happened"

anyway robik and bh are both too stubborn to just not do shit like that so whatevz

First off he already called Robik Green which VT or Miller earlier and now he also posting a whole bunch of nothing with only saying Robik and Blazinghand are stubborn and doesn't say if they were town or not although I think he thought we would assume he thinks both of them are town but him being lazy about it really making me ich.
So this post is interesting:

On February 15 2015 01:11 prplhz wrote:

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how did you figure this out at this point? did you just randomly decide to read the OP right at this time? that doesn't seem like palmaresque behavior (reading the OP at any point of the game).

i mean you think i'm wanting to red hunt and then you say "okay" despite how everybody knows this is pro scum (lightningstrike deftly pointed this out already). then you say "okay" but then suddenly, right there, you decide to read the OP (wtf since when does palmar read the OP) and then you realize that i actually want to blue hunt. why did you read the OP right there?

He decided to do a meta read on Palmar because apparently Palmar doesn't read the OP as Town but again this post seem to have little substance and the bolded inticating is that he want to hunt for our Town Power roles which stupid to do because we need them to do their jobs and help us find Mafia and the Serial Killer.
This next post from prplhz making me cringe:

On February 15 2015 09:41 prplhz wrote:

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On February 15 2015 09:08 Blazinghand wrote:
So, guys. It looks like nobody can agree on any sort of wagon, right? I think it's fair to say that we're in a bit of a disarray. Palmar recently was talking about the importance of sheeping as a skill. You see, with 5 votes on 5 different wagons we're in a bad place. There's no clear town consensus or counterwagon forming, and everyone is pulling every which way trying to make things happen. If like, one scum votes one way then that wagon could jump into the lead or something, and it wouldn't be clear where people stand because none of these wagons are important enough yet (another reason why Majority Lynch is better than Plurality Lynch)... but most importantly, people seem afraid to sheep. Sheeping is important! It's a vital skill. Here, Palmar from the Past will tell you:

On March 12 2014 17:57 Palmar wrote:
A little point about this game:

It really, really proves the value of NOT GETTING LYNCHED as town. For some reason staying alive, just like sheeping, is a pretty devalued skill in mafia. Everyone wants to focus on amazing reads and shit, and while those are great, the main job of any townie can simply be to not get lynched. If townies don't get lynched town wins the game by default.

On February 03 2015 00:23 Palmar wrote:

On February 02 2015 23:12 Damdred wrote:
HTS was pretty towny d1 especially early part when I was talking to her with rsoultin not sure what was going on with that lol.

While I'm on the topic of underrated skillsets, HTS has an amazing ability look town when she is. She is just so painfully obviously town that it makes the game so much easier.

Like for some reason everyone seems to think the be-all end-all townplayer skill in mafia is to figure out who is mafia, when in reality it's only one of half a dozen or so very important skills that can't exist without each other.

The ability to convince, the ability to be townread, the ability to sheep when needed, the ability to control atmosphere and focus discussion etc etc etc.

This game was actually a very good example of how unimportant actually figuring out who the mafia is can be. If you polled people in this game, more than half of them would put me in the bottom half for performance as town here. But no one was more right on the mafia than I was this game. I literally tried to kill 3 people day 1 and those were the mafia. However:

I was not useful for direction/focus/atmosphere
I couldn't convince anyone to follow me
Half the players thought I was mafia.

I agree! I didn't play this game well at all. And of the two things I did right, only one of them was actually really good, and it wasn't the fact that I went after the entire mafia team. In the end my willingness to sheep Damdred's case and thus make a good judgement call is something I'm far more happy about than being right.

So yeah, don't sleep on players even if they are wrong sometimes. The #1 priority of any town player is to not get lynched.

So as you can see, we have problems in this thread because our votes are all over the place. People are focussed too much on trying to look good (for example, numerous peoples' extremely wrongheaded attack on my RNG) or like, trying to hunt scum or something, when they should be focused on constructing a solid town discourse. I propose we focus this discourse around my wagon on Vayne. It's the largest wagon by a good amount, and on top of that, despite his protestations Vayne isn't contributing. Oh, he might, and if he's town I'm sure he'll pick things up, but it's not like we lose anything by lynching him, or pushing a lynch on him. Think about all the people who have come out of the woodwork to attack my case, or even worse, to ignore it utterly. What's the agenda here? Clearly scum are afraid. Afraid of the glory of RNG.

Now, maybe you have your own cases, or your own ideas, and that's fine. I appreciate that. Maybe that one-vote case on rayn or whatever could be a thing. But right now, we need to focus on the task at hand, which is sheeping me and voting Vayne. It's our best chance to unify this town onto a solid goal, which is lynching according to RNG.

Vote Vayne, lynch him for unity and because you understand that sheeping me is an underrated skill.

any questions?

i have a question

are you not aware the the bullshitting phase of this game is long over?

Idk what was the purpose of this post by prplhz other than telling BH to just cut out the RNG lynch since he was wanting to RNG lynch VA so he was either townreading VA or is scum buddies with VA.
This next post seems to contradict a earlier post of his:

On February 16 2015 00:56 prplhz wrote:
@palmar i don't know if i'm remembering this correctly, but rayn is usually all over the place isn't he? i mean he had a list post in this very game like 6 hours into the game where he claims that he found the entire scum team. it's pretty ridiculous but he's just very convinced of one thing and then suddenly of another, very jumpy. i remember that game where he thought i was scum and you and marv had to do your very best to change his mind but at that point he had thought i was scum every single game we had played together (think we had played four games), he just had a thing for me. i don't think that means he never reconsiders his reads, especially his early "flakier" reads.

i agree that that "guess why i think ksc is mafia"-thing is weird and that's after he went to the sauna he's uncharacteristically disappeared though that could be for other reasons.

also, as much as i hate to say it, slam and bh are right, we're nowhere right now and we should consolidate. ksc had a terrible entrance to this thread and the only substantial thing he's done is this weird hard defense of rayn. bh looking good for pointing it out but very bad for sticking with this VA thing, it's getting way too old by now.

Now earlier he had posted this:

On February 15 2015 00:51 prplhz wrote:

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So he haven't show a real progression on his own read on rayn and called him Vanilla Town earlier so what had changed? I checked his filter and he didn't explain any change before the post I quoted earlier about his change in reads on rayn. Also he already had checked the case on KSC being Mafia and liked it but he also said that we were getting no where with the KSC talked which is odd because if you think someone is Mafia you talk others and ask them what their view is on that person and people minds change over time normally.
Now in this post it seemed to defend rayn even though he seemed to had changed his mind suddenly on him:

On February 16 2015 01:34 prplhz wrote:
yea i'm not sure what to think about palmar. this push on rayn is, well i don't like pushes on people like rayn or palmar on d1 because if they're town they're going to get shot by mafia really soon anyway. pretty simple. also a rayn/palmar shout fest clash of egos on d1 is potentially devastating for town. i liked some of his earlier posts like the one where he points out that robik is town and then he just made this post

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which i think looks super townie.

in any case i'm really tentative about lynching palmar or rayn on d1. i want to see what happens when rayn gets back though.

semi related you're also looking townie simply because the "say something clever twice and you're scum" thing you have for me is so ridiculous.

So he thinks that Palmar looks town and both Palmar and Rayn shouldn't be lynched on Day 1 but why he wouldn't want to lynch one of his possible Mafia reads as soon as possible?
In this post he hard attacks rayn after hard defending him to not be the Day 1 lynch:

On February 16 2015 01:54 prplhz wrote:
@Palmar I don't remember which game it was that had you and marvellosity fight an uphill battle against raynpelikoneet to make him realize I was town.

HOWEVER

In that very game I remember that I said something like "raynpelikoneet can't read me for shit he always reads me scum even though I'm town" and that just ticked him off. Completely emotionally compromised and we know raynpelikoneet with the multiple 5 game bans can be hilariously emotionally compromised. That's what happened and that's why he was so stubborn that game. I'm pretty sure that while he's usually self-confident, he's nowhere near those levels of stubbornness.

What's happening in this game is that raynpelikoneet saw a post that he liked and then it seems like he reconsidered a read. That's not scummy, it's scummy to keep all doors open but not to reconsider reads.

pls respond

He showed no real progression on his read on rayn at least in his filter up to this point and turned up suddenly. He also called Rayn Mafia because he was keeping all of his doors open but yet he said he didn't reconsider reads when in that same post he said he did.
In this post he seemed to again contradict a earlier statement:

On February 16 2015 02:42 prplhz wrote:
SERIOUSLY

RAYN IS REALLY GOOD AT MAFIA

EITHER HE WILL FIND MAFIA OR HE WILL GET SHOT

IF NEITHER HAPPENS, WE CAN CONSIDER LYNCHING HIM

WE'RE NOT LYNCHING HIM JUST BECAUSE HE CHANGED HIS MIND AND IS NOW AFK WRESTLING A POLAR BEAR OR WHATEVER.

this is mafia 101, you don't lynch townies with a good reputation on d1.

He just said he wanted to lynch Rayn but now he said don't lynch him again on Day 1 like him reconsidering when to lynch someone who he got as a scumread for him is really weird like if he was town he should of tried to convince people to lynch him if he really thought Rayn was Mafia.
Now these next two quotes are really confusing:

On February 16 2015 04:22 prplhz wrote:
##Vote Blazinghand

On February 16 2015 04:24 prplhz wrote:
##Unvote Blazinghand

So first he never gave his reasoning to lynch Blazinghand then he unvotes him 2 minutes later like seriously why even vote him if you just going to unvote like 2 mins later like if you think someone is Mafia you vote them not vote then unvote but he never gave a reasoning for his vote on Blazinghand at all and that is very scummy.
Now in this post his explains his Blazinghand vote but also attacks KSC:

On February 17 2015 11:34 prplhz wrote:
@KelsierSC on the odd chance that you're actually town you need to take a step back and reconsider your read on me instead of just going "prplhz is scum" every single time I post. Seriously, even if I was scum I wouldn't be scummy in every single post. It's pretty obvious that you're tunneling me. If you're mafia then keep going though.

Also this thread went to pieces. I can explain my Blazinghand vote though, it's pretty simple. Blazinghand did a horrible claim under hardly any pressure and I though that was scummy for a second then I realized that scum would rarely do that in face of 2-3 votes 10 hours before deadline. Scum are usually way more hesitant and he'd have the backing of his team to count on as well so no reason to panic like that. Took me a moment to realize thus vote into unvote.

I'm having a hard time piecing this game together. I really thought the claim made Blazinghand town but the way he's acting now doesn't look town at all. Look at how he's saying that "nothing is confirmed" and "you can't know about Superbia" when Superbia pretty much just modconfirmed two townies. It's not that he isn't right, it's that he's pushing uncertainty in the thread. Why, when it's like 99% probable that Superbia is town, does Blazinghand want us to remember the 1% chance that he isn't? Also Blazinghand has a high opinion of himself and he wants people to do what he says. Right now he's been up for lynch but everybody stopped wanting to lynch him, he's looking townier than every, what does he use this for? He's not pushing anything other than uncertainty, why isn't he pushing VayneAuthority or whoever else he thinks is scum?

It's really hard to make a scum team right now, too little fits well and the liancourt lynch didn't really give me anything. Not a bad lynch but I just hadn't really paid much attention to him and he turned out to be not only a townie but a god damn fake claiming townie.

Anyway, defensive roles on townies and offensive roles on scum. We don't need any heroes just play safe.

Okay so he said that KSC was tunneled on him(prplhz) tells him to stop unless KSC is Mafia but his explaination of his Blazinghand vote is he thought Blazinghand was Mafia for his claim then unvotes him because he thought Mafia would be dumb to do that type of claim and yet he says Blazinghand doesn't look like town and said that Blazinghand shouldn't of had us remember that Superbia has a 1% chance of flipping Mafia. Also he complains that it's hard to make a Mafia because it's too well and lian's lynch said nothing well he should of start asking questions and crap to figure out who's mafia and who isn't.
These next two quotes are him attacking KSC over the fact that KSC thinks prplhz is Mafia and saying it's ridiculous:

On February 17 2015 11:49 prplhz wrote:
You really are. Every time I post you make a post saying "this is scummy". That's tunneling because (and it appears that you agree) not everything I do is scummy.

I had real life. Seriously, why do you think I disappeared and what did you think I'd answer to that question? It's stupid shit like that question that makes it's obvious that you're tunneling, just using whatever reason you can to yell at me.

Short non-committal filter. Someone mentioned the poking in to talk about rules which I agree is scummy. He seems more at ease talking about setup stuff that reads. Also, no one would vote you and as Alakaslam and Blazinghand had pointed out, we were in a bad condition with no one really gaining traction for a lynch. You're also completely right I went with it partially also to see if it would "stick", if anything would come of it. I'm really not set in stone when I vote for someone, it's a very dynamic process for me.

I haven't had much time today until now, trying to catch up on the thread.

On February 17 2015 11:54 prplhz wrote:

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Things like these, jesus christ.

First of all, I never said I dropped you entirely, I said I'd give you some pause because you were actually playing.

Anyway, if I think you're scummy because of your entrance into the thread, does that mean I can never stop thinking that because you can never change your entrance? No, your entrance can be scummy and you can be town which would then show later. Your entrance was scummy, I still think that. I think that your sheer bullheaded activity makes other people better lynches for now.

Do you mean to say that because I think something you do is scummy, I can never think something you do is townie? Because that's complete nonsense.

I also did complain about your activity anyway.

First he saying his excuse for inactivity was because of real life although if it's true he would of posted much more later but he didn't. Second he called Rayn out I think in the first quote for setup speculation and talking about rules as scummy but setup speculation should be considered null at best since we would know how the setup works based on the OP and reading the backstory of this setup. Third he attacks KSC calling his entrance scummy yet wanted to give a pause for a bit and saying that if he thought something he did call he never thinks something from KSC would townie is complete nonsense.
This is pretty much my entire case on Prplhz being Mafia he haven't really done much scum hunting at all and letting others do it for him when he's a Vet player and he should know how to scum hunt at this stage in the game.
##Vote: Prplhz

ritoky

United States6851 Posts

February 21 2015 21:59 GMT

#3526

rsoul, did you want me to copy/paste all of the raw statistics for votes this game or just tell you what I track?

cuz my spreadsheet tracks lots of things from the games I have played in as well as stuff from this particular game.

some examples for game specifics are: who votes with who, who votes on town, who votes on mafia, who votes for the primary lynch, who votes for the secondary lynch, who stray votes

some examples for "macro" trackers are: % of mafia who vote on primary wagon per day, % of mafia voting on partners day 1, successful day 1 lynch rate, composites of above stats, and a couple others that don't usually give anything relevant but I track anyway.

LightningStrike

United States14276 Posts

February 21 2015 21:59 GMT

#3527

Also rsoultin I know some Mafia members are willing to bus others because of towncred I mean who doesn't want free towncred if they lynch Mafia?
Alkso sheep me baby AF girl!

LightningStrike

United States14276 Posts

February 21 2015 21:59 GMT

#3528

On February 22 2015 06:59 LightningStrike wrote:
Also rsoultin I know some Mafia members are willing to bus others because of towncred I mean who doesn't want free towncred if they lynch Mafia?
Also sheep me baby AF girl!

EBWOP: Fixed.

Palmar

Iceland22630 Posts

February 21 2015 22:50 GMT

#3529

please no shenanigans. I know there is not a single vote on me but I just feel the shennies lurking around the corner.

I WILL defend myself if put under pressure as town. It's objectively bad play to not give myself a chance to do so.

ritoky

United States6851 Posts

February 21 2015 22:58 GMT

#3530

On February 22 2015 07:50 Palmar wrote:
please no shenanigans. I know there is not a single vote on me but I just feel the shennies lurking around the corner.

I WILL defend myself if put under pressure as town. It's objectively bad play to not give myself a chance to do so.

can you give reads? I feel like you've kinda given up on the game a bit after rayn flipped town.

even if it's a list with no explanation.

ritoky

United States6851 Posts

February 21 2015 23:06 GMT

#3531

also LS, I find that case a stretch and really incoherent. I mean, it's probably the best you can make out of a 4 page filter that has 0 interaction with the game for the past 48 or so hours....but

you make a big deal out of a joke mafia claim, which is whatever; for most people it is not alignment indicative at all to joke claim early in the day, then you make a deal out of him not wanting to kill rayn day 1....rayn is a really strong town normally so I can understand that sentiment, and the rest I just kinda find incoherent and hard to understand.

to be fair I have absolutely no read on prp and wasn't trying to bother having one because I figured an impending sub or modkill; so I guess I need to work on that

not to mention I asked you to find scum and you conceded, then went for the lowest of the low hanging fruit in the game, and gave nothing else....like this doesn't scream town in the slightest.

Fecalfeast

Canada11355 Posts

February 21 2015 23:15 GMT

#3532

Man maybe it's because I just smoked too much but I can't get all the way through that LS post without getting lost

LightningStrike

United States14276 Posts

February 21 2015 23:15 GMT

#3533

Fine when I flip town use my case to get rid of prplhz.

LightningStrike

United States14276 Posts

February 21 2015 23:16 GMT

#3534

I did give you my biggest scum read and my case on him. ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED RITOKY?

Fecalfeast

Canada11355 Posts

February 21 2015 23:16 GMT

#3535

By all the way through I mean like 2 paragraphs. By lost I mean zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Alakaslam

United States17322 Posts

February 21 2015 23:17 GMT

#3536

Chupazi

Alakaslam

United States17322 Posts

February 21 2015 23:17 GMT

#3537

On February 22 2015 08:16 Fecalfeast wrote:
By all the way through I mean like 2 paragraphs. By lost I mean ~~zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz~~ ?????????????????!!!??????????????

Blazinghand

United States25550 Posts

February 21 2015 23:18 GMT

#3538

we will not lynch you today Palmar.

So, LS, got any other things you want me to look into?

Alakaslam

United States17322 Posts

February 21 2015 23:18 GMT

#3539

On February 22 2015 08:16 Fecalfeast wrote:
By all the way through I mean like 2 paragraphs. By lost I mean hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiijole!!

Blazinghand

United States25550 Posts

February 21 2015 23:20 GMT

#3540

BTW I generally like the Palmar case (not sure if I mentioned this) but he's not close to being on my list lynch today

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