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Btw rsoultin this is my 3rd game I not entirely new 
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On December 17 2014 05:35 LightningStrike wrote:Btw rsoultin this is my 3rd game I not entirely new
I believe this site defines newbies as those who haven't finished 3 games yet? But I take your point . Tube is newer than you are.
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I need guidance. I don't particularly think HF is mafia but I don't like that ritoky lied. I see the logic in ritoky+HF and it's making my brain think which causes me great pain.
I also don't see why SL was called confirmed town for so long just because he acted like he was confused about roles.
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On December 16 2014 15:48 rsoultin wrote:GlowingBear...Stubborn or Anti-Xmas??? - He made several unexplained reads throughout the game (however a few, not all, were explained after he was pressed for reasons, i.e. me and SL) I can see early gut reads, but not later into the game, and not to this extent. Its true I don't like his lists. I also don't like how he's essentially claimed red (after perhaps mistakenly claiming blue) and yet is not dead yet. I don't really see town motivatio for claiming blue red even as a joke+ Show Spoiler +On December 09 2014 11:58 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2014 11:56 sicklucker wrote:On December 09 2014 09:38 Damdred wrote:On December 09 2014 09:35 GlowingBear wrote:On December 09 2014 09:33 Fecalfeast wrote:On December 09 2014 09:30 KelsierSC wrote:
So i think fecal is scum, we played a game together as town and early game he was very try hard, essentially Kush made a set up/mechanics comment and fecal went back to the setup, worked through all the permutations and then asked Kush to explain. Super town super eager.
this game i make a set up comment, then retract it and ff doesn't bat n eyelid. All he does is talk to slam about sumo. Which is pretty pointless. Like "herez an excuse nit to scumhunt" it doesn't feel towny at all I don't expect you to have read my other town games but I've gotten exponentially worse as town. GB do you have a comment on the current votes or discussion? Nope because I didn't read anything from the thread. Because I'm bored. Do you? I am town GB, but i am unable to give you a present currently if you are good i can share one of my many toys later on as when i was a child i was taught to share if i get one that is. You should really read the thread and are you blue gb seirously/ HMMM I see. I may want to lynch damdred after this. Don't ask me why On December 09 2014 12:01 GlowingBear wrote:
K gonna sleep
SL is town rsoultin is town
Bats is scummy
I'm going to lynch kush if I don't see his town tell.
Good night. On December 10 2014 00:15 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2014 00:11 Holyflare wrote:
2 people haven't posted in this game at all yet, useful -.-
Oats, your post on vivax is wrong and your post refuting that wasn't in any english I could understand.
Ls looks not bad to me, dunno why people are hating on him giving all the meta when loads of other people do the same. Ritoky seems angry for some reason because of this??
Obi still being useless, just because he was useless last game (russian) as town doesn't stop him being able to be useless this game as mafia. It just means he's useless which increases the odds of him being mafia.
Kush.. Meh will resolve itself i think
Gb hasn't really done anything but hasn't done anything outrageously wrong like I'd expect him to as town but his picking on solely koshi and like nothing else is wearing thin and is pretty scummy
I dunno feel kinda iffy about hts after reading the things about kush feels a bit too flippant
New list oats, obi, (gb?) bunnies
Mehhhhbe/mehhhhbe not: hts, kush
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA THAT'S MEAN. But for some reason, it makes me town read you. On December 10 2014 10:53 GlowingBear wrote:
Cool, townslam.
I think this game is going to be easy. On December 12 2014 01:09 GlowingBear wrote:
Koshi is mafia, c'mon.
Do I have a post count in my filter or I have to count one by one? On December 13 2014 03:52 GlowingBear wrote:
Bats is town.
This game is getting easier. - He delayed or completely failed to make reads most of the game (I don't think anyone can forget how long it took him to make his HF case.) I can't really talk as I haven't explained my reads much. The only thing I can add is that I find it more scummy for someone to be involved in the thread yet not being constructive/being disruptive than someone who is generally afk + Show Spoiler +On December 11 2014 11:58 GlowingBear wrote:
I'm gonna be warned if I keep posting.
Ritoky is probably mafia.
I'll only post once this night with updates reads. Expect a big post. On December 12 2014 22:10 GlowingBear wrote:
I want to read more of the thread before making a case on HF, but a lot of his reasoning is off. The lack of push on ritoky's present claim, the multiple scumreads of wagons outside the 27nb wagon and the 27nb mislynch is all playing against him.
His entrance in this game is awful, he picking on bunnies for being contradictory when picking up on frogs awful entrance but not picking on Vivax post on frog... This kind of double standards worries me. - The "recipient" of GBs "present" was being scumread by GB all through Night 1, until apparently he decided that HF must be scum therefore ritoky wasn't, and when questioned afterwards why he would give a "present" to possible scum, he responds that his read was "null" At the time of the gift-giving? I saw no reads from GB on ritoky before the one demanding he be lynched.: I think this is bad logic rather than scummy per se. I feel this reinforces possibility of GB scum Rit somehow town + Show Spoiler +On December 12 2014 05:52 GlowingBear wrote: lynch ritoky tomorrow Bye On December 12 2014 08:09 GlowingBear wrote:
I'm gonna read this thread now. And I'm going to hammer mafai.
Btw, lynch ritoky. I gave him the present. But he claimed that he got the present at night, not caring for being roleblocked. Like, lol. On December 12 2014 08:17 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2014 08:12 ritoky wrote:On December 12 2014 08:09 GlowingBear wrote:
I'm gonna read this thread now. And I'm going to hammer mafai.
Btw, lynch ritoky. I gave him the present. But he claimed that he got the present at night, not caring for being roleblocked. Like, lol. ????? I got it at the change of phase, and claimed when I decided I was gonna open it???? what are you smoking? you should know that presents change hands at the end of day phase, it is both in the rules and i confirmed it with the mod lol. The ability you earn can be roleblocked. I just thought you could use it night one instead of using it night 2. It doesn't matter anyway, you just revealed to mafia that you have a role now, which makes no sense for a townie. On December 12 2014 08:22 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2014 08:20 ritoky wrote:On December 12 2014 08:17 GlowingBear wrote:On December 12 2014 08:12 ritoky wrote:On December 12 2014 08:09 GlowingBear wrote:
I'm gonna read this thread now. And I'm going to hammer mafai.
Btw, lynch ritoky. I gave him the present. But he claimed that he got the present at night, not caring for being roleblocked. Like, lol. ????? I got it at the change of phase, and claimed when I decided I was gonna open it???? what are you smoking? you should know that presents change hands at the end of day phase, it is both in the rules and i confirmed it with the mod lol. The ability you earn can be roleblocked. I just thought you could use it night one instead of using it night 2. It doesn't matter anyway, you just revealed to mafia that you have a role now, which makes no sense for a townie. and opening something unknown that has a 1 in 3 chance to kill you (esp when you have a crap ton of kp) doesn't make much sense as mafia. i can wifom too broski It's not WIFOM, rit. It's just looking through perspectives. I can't understand the psychology of a townie who decides to claim he is going to open the present he received. You don't die night one, then BAM! You obviously got a skill and will be killed/roleblocked night2 if you're town. I can never see town doing that. On December 14 2014 03:52 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2014 03:45 rsoultin wrote:On December 14 2014 03:37 GlowingBear wrote:
Make a case on me. You're calling me scum multiple times for things that doesn't make me scum.
I want you to say mafias motivation for things you call me scum for. I've made my case on you multiple times GB. Unlike you I am not under scrutiny. I've explained what I think and why I think it. As for the gut feel that is contributing to it...what have you really done for town? Falsely brought up mass-claiming like that would be helpful. A bunch of jokes. A bunch of partial reads you have to be prodded on. Many promises you fail to carry out. (Your HF case is still unfinished.) Ritoky you were pressuring a little until others started...which, if you're town, why are you pressuring the guy you think is town (cause you're not going to send anything to mafia as town) then flip right back onto HF as soon as others start pressuring Ritoky? There's something wrong about how you're playing, and the scenario with both you and Ritoky as scum works. It is ballsy like Xata said...but assuming that mafia would never play ballsy...lol. If this is the way town thinks, that's the perfect way for mafia to play. Either way its WIFOM as shit. You're so focused on this matter that you fail to properly evaluate what I've brought for holyflare. What do you think of the case? Of the arguments? Why do you think mafia would make a case on one of the strongest players in the game? Do you see ANY mafia motivation behind it? I thought ritoky was mafia. I reevaluated it after putting more thought on it, mostly when I've realised HF is sure to be scum. I'm saying people are town based on gut feelings and probability. I have experience with some players here and I feel comfortable after I see some patterns. Like batsnacks, his townplay is like this. Slam also. It's hard to explain why, because it's more of a feeling than logical reads. I've townread you for the way you evaluated the present thing on sicklucker. I'm still reading you as town. I want you to get out of the tunnel you're currently in. On December 14 2014 04:09 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2014 04:02 rsoultin wrote:On December 14 2014 03:52 GlowingBear wrote:On December 14 2014 03:45 rsoultin wrote:On December 14 2014 03:37 GlowingBear wrote:
Make a case on me. You're calling me scum multiple times for things that doesn't make me scum.
I want you to say mafias motivation for things you call me scum for. I've made my case on you multiple times GB. Unlike you I am not under scrutiny. I've explained what I think and why I think it. As for the gut feel that is contributing to it...what have you really done for town? Falsely brought up mass-claiming like that would be helpful. A bunch of jokes. A bunch of partial reads you have to be prodded on. Many promises you fail to carry out. (Your HF case is still unfinished.) Ritoky you were pressuring a little until others started...which, if you're town, why are you pressuring the guy you think is town (cause you're not going to send anything to mafia as town) then flip right back onto HF as soon as others start pressuring Ritoky? There's something wrong about how you're playing, and the scenario with both you and Ritoky as scum works. It is ballsy like Xata said...but assuming that mafia would never play ballsy...lol. If this is the way town thinks, that's the perfect way for mafia to play. Either way its WIFOM as shit. You're so focused on this matter that you fail to properly evaluate what I've brought for holyflare. What do you think of the case? Of the arguments? Why do you think mafia would make a case on one of the strongest players in the game? Do you see ANY mafia motivation behind it? I thought ritoky was mafia. I reevaluated it after putting more thought on it, mostly when I've realised HF is sure to be scum. I'm saying people are town based on gut feelings and probability. I have experience with some players here and I feel comfortable after I see some patterns. Like batsnacks, his townplay is like this. Slam also. It's hard to explain why, because it's more of a feeling than logical reads. I've townread you for the way you evaluated the present thing on sicklucker. I'm still reading you as town. I want you to get out of the tunnel you're currently in. I've already responded to your case GB. Your town reads I'm not arguing with, in a general sense. Your points aren't very strong to me. Sorry. I did consider them. An entrance post and a different read on 27nb than vivax doesn't scream scum to me. I feel like you're mostly basing your HF read on the fact that he wasn't killed first night, and going from there. I'm not the only one with tunnel vision. Yet I am willing to back off you for now to pursue another possible scum, so...-shrugs- We could both be town firing away erroneously, but I still don't think so. I don't understand town giving someone they think is mafia a present, dude...you should want to give it to one of your strongest town reads. You yourself have made this point multiple times. Anyway, Trfel. What do you think of that push since we're probably not going to agree on this. Dude, I gave it to someone I thought was null at the time and that I can't properly read, so, if he was town, he would have a power and if he dies, it doesn't matter because it's less one in the game I can't read. I was going to change the target but I couldn't make it until deadline. That's why my vote is wasted. By the way, STOP VOTING TUBESOCK BECAUSE HE IS TOWN - Relentlessly tunnels HF for weak reasons, beginning with the simple observation that HF is still alive after N1. More curiously, the amazing "case"? All points he brought up beforehand. Amazing how long it took him to build it. Also note the weakness of this case. He cites 1) an entrance 2) responding differently to people town/null reading froggynoddy's entrance where it's clear that Vivax is calling his read null and 27nb's response is less clear 3)looking into wasted votes as if doing so automatically means that HF considers those voters scum, and someone town-aligned never would pay attention to the votes outside the train 4)a null-leaning town read on froggynoddy who HF never called scum during the game somehow being contradictory 5) HFs read on GB being contradictory because "spreading falsities" should apparently be in the same camp as doing something "outrageously wrong" and make GB a town read? Additionally we see what appears to be a clear attempt to try to warp Trfel's status as seer to suit GBs anti-HF train. I think this is strongest point so far. Kelsier was getting into some serious pressure, going after HF seems like an easy way to divert pressure before the wagon starts rolling. Implies HF is town though (which I'm not saying is not possible. + Show Spoiler +On December 12 2014 08:07 GlowingBear wrote:
ALERT!!! ALERT!!!
HF ISN'T DEAD NIGHT1 On December 12 2014 10:16 GlowingBear wrote:
I'm impressed you're not questioning Ritoky for claiming being GIVAN PREZANT, HF.
What do you think of it? On December 12 2014 10:48 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2014 05:47 ritoky wrote:
to whomever gave me this present, gonna open it. yolo, wish me luck. Show nested quote +On December 12 2014 08:40 Holyflare wrote:
I'm incredibly disappointed with the vigi if we do because he shot absolutely nobody that was a good shot. Not one of ff, ritoky etc died even though like 4 vets called them mafia -.-
Not sure what i think of the present opening tbh. It would have been great to give them to all the scummy people and forced them to open them/use them to our will :/
2 biggest proponents of a ff lynch also died which is cool, especially as lm was in the shadows while doing it so didn't look like a high priority kill Just check timestamps. You were here before. You know about the presents. You didn't push ritoky. You're not pushing him now. Your excuse of just coming to the thread isn't valid. On December 12 2014 10:49 GlowingBear wrote:
Oops you're pushing him now.
Gonna sleep and see the outcome of it tomorrow. On December 12 2014 21:24 GlowingBear wrote:
Slam is town.
Holyflare is mafia.
Ritoky's reason could be legit. I admit I tunnelled a bit after the present thing. I can, although with some reluctance, see his actions coming from a town perspective. More from a mafia perspective, but... I'll have to reevaluate his play in this game.
I want to lynch Holyflare today. On December 12 2014 22:02 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2014 21:42 rsoultin wrote:On December 12 2014 21:24 GlowingBear wrote:
Slam is town.
Holyflare is mafia.
Ritoky's reason could be legit. I admit I tunnelled a bit after the present thing. I can, although with some reluctance, see his actions coming from a town perspective. More from a mafia perspective, but... I'll have to reevaluate his play in this game.
I want to lynch Holyflare today. Why HF? And no, don't think so. Ritoky claiming so we know how he died is BS. It would just increase the possibilities from mafia/vig to mafia/vig/present, making things more difficult to decipher, not easier. Claiming before use of the power renders the power useless because now mafia has a sure thing to disable/take out over a guess. It just doesn't make sense, and while town cannot make sense, his refusal to see that is ridiculous. Yeah, that's a point. I agree with you. The problem is: HF is giving me scum vibes and although I know he busses a lot, I find hard to believe that they would both make a case against each other. On December 12 2014 22:10 GlowingBear wrote:
I want to read more of the thread before making a case on HF, but a lot of his reasoning is off. The lack of push on ritoky's present claim, the multiple scumreads of wagons outside the 27nb wagon and the 27nb mislynch is all playing against him.
His entrance in this game is awful, he picking on bunnies for being contradictory when picking up on frogs awful entrance but not picking on Vivax post on frog... This kind of double standards worries me. On December 13 2014 05:28 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2014 05:10 sicklucker wrote:
Actually whoever started with the third present should claim immediately. Just dont say who you gave it too. I can get alot of info off this. Lol what kind of info? Lololol Ok, listen: The only important point regarding presents is that ritoky claimed he got one, which is more detrimental than helpful, because, in case he don't die night1, he dies/get roleblocked night2, which is awful for town. But if you think of it again, there is no motive for him to claim that he is opening the present as mafia. I just used my brain a little more and got to this conclusion. Which means that talking about presents is only helpful when considering mass claiming. We should drop this discussion right now. HF doesn't look like he is pushin town agenda, but his own self agenda. This looks much more like mafia holyflare. He points out things that aren't really mafiaish and doesn't seem to try to further identify people's alignment. His pushes aren't for solving the game. They are mostly done just to push, just to make a lynch happen, maybe. His backtracking on froggy is weird because he kept an absolute stance regarding bunnies, who I just say sounded more null than anything, and froggy is leaning scum. HF once came to the thread and said that we should look for people outside the NB wagon, which is ridiculous. He wasn't talking about people who WASTED their votes. He was talking about people outside the main wagon. He also said me and ritoky looked the worst. You can see he is doing a timid push on ritoky, but it really doesn't sound like he is trying to figure out his alignment. Weirdly enough, the present claim from ritoky remained unquestioned by HF. MOREOVER, he did not make ANY attempt to figure out my alignment when he said I looked bad at that time. He is scum. On December 13 2014 06:15 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2014 06:04 Half the Sky wrote:On December 11 2014 13:08 Holyflare wrote:
kush, gb, froggy, oats, damd, ritoky, lonemeow, kelsiersc, ls, slam, obi, vivax, fecal, rsoul, hts
gonna check out all of those filters at some point to see their views on bunnies and why they weren't on her/what they were doing, kinda bad to still be on xata after he kinda adequately explained every accusation against him tbh and those rogue 1 and 2 voters that are on targets that were barely ever pushed at all (gb, froggy, hts) look terrible
Is this it? Yes. And I've just realised he talked about froggy looking bad, but he townreads him out of nothing later, when I ask him about Vivax and froggy.That's it guys. HF is scum. I'm voting noone else. On December 13 2014 07:09 GlowingBear wrote:
Just vote HF. He will flip scum.
I've just got home and I'm tired. Don't force me into making a full case on him. On December 13 2014 10:46 GlowingBear wrote: HOLYFLARE IS MAFIA! Part 1 EntranceShow nested quote +On December 09 2014 08:16 Holyflare wrote:
Here's how it's going to roll. This game has a cap on posts so if you start the game with usual joke crap and useless things like rng that you don't follow through with then I'm going to deem you irresponsible and not worthy of being listened to this game. I've rolled town, I'm going to save my posts instead of being usual and chatty and just come up with my usual list of who to lynch and who to never lynch so that when I get nk'd you can just follow it.
Get rekt mafia His entrance is bad. He says obvious things like saving posts because of post cap (which is a big cap, by the way, you can waste some posts). He then says he will ignore people that wastes posts. The problem is: he calls Templar out for the RNG thing but does not take any stance regarding it. He is also okay to ignore a thing that in a game with post cap could be considered a scum trait. Then he says the obvious thing about not wasting posts. This means (A) his entrance is a waste of post itself for not taking any stance and saying the obvious, (B) he is okay to ignore scum traits. Why this comes from a mafia: this is just a post to try looking contributive while being noncomittal and fluffy. This is also a pre-excuse to overlook any scummy people who are wasting their posts. Froggynoddy's entranceFroggynoddy's entrance is bad. It is. Show nested quote +On December 09 2014 08:20 froggynoddy wrote:
Gogogo.
RNG sounds pretty silly. Though at least it would create some content and stop people from lurking.
On the subject of lurking. having not played in a while... when I did play, town usually spent Day 1 arguing on whether to lynch lurkers, I assume this is still the case. I have to go to bed now (work in the morning) but pre-empting this topic lets just cut to the chase and all agree nicely that policy lynching is stupid, however in the absence of a decent slip to go on, lurkers are the best of bad lynch options.
+ Show Spoiler [If you have no idea why his entrance i…] +
This entrance is bad because mafia tends to have a hard time to introduce themselves into the game. They will try to sound serious, to sound committal, so they look like they're town. Under this perspective:
"Gogogo" is completely forced.
Lynching lurkers wasn't being a trend in the topic but he says that policy lynchings are stupid and we shouldn't discuss it. The thread wasn't discussing. So, unnecessary to bring this up. By saying that we shouldn't discuss it, he starts a discussion towards it. But that's not the only problem. In the end of his sentence he ASSUMES it is ok to go against lurkers LOLOLOLOL.
Why this comes from mafia? As I've already said, mafia will try to look contributive, so this is just him trying look townie by saying something very easy to say as mafia. Worse, he then contradicts himself saying that it is okay to lynch lurkers under the lack of good target, which makes his policy-talking shit a waste of post. It is also a pre-excuse if he chooses to lynch lurkers later in the day, so he won't take responsibility for it
Holyflare picks on it in a timid way: + Show Spoiler +On December 09 2014 08:23 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2014 08:20 froggynoddy wrote:
Gogogo.
RNG sounds pretty silly. Though at least it would create some content and stop people from lurking.
On the subject of lurking. having not played in a while... when I did play, town usually spent Day 1 arguing on whether to lynch lurkers, I assume this is still the case. I have to go to bed now (work in the morning) but pre-empting this topic lets just cut to the chase and all agree nicely that policy lynching is stupid, however in the absence of a decent slip to go on, lurkers are the best of bad lynch options.
So what you're saying is policy lynches are terrible but if it all goes sour you want to policy lynch?? Bunnies and Vivax, however, have different opinions: + Show Spoiler +On December 09 2014 08:32 27ninjabunnies wrote:
@ Slam
@ Damdred
Didn't HF basically do just the same thing? Except more of he came into the thread with "Omgerd we have cap posts. Im town, follow me later" and then leaves.
And yet, Damdred, you have him as town for basically a shit post?
While I agree, people talking about policy lynching and lurkers seem off, he seems just an easy target for people to scum read because of that. On December 09 2014 08:35 Vivax wrote:
What froggy said is simple common sense but also something that never matters cause at the end of the day it's mostly some scummy looking person getting lynched.
I don't see it as scummy, just as something useless to talk about which isn't scummy at this stage of the game.
The biggest accusation you could make is that he's so serious in a setting where people are kinda joking, but that's not enough to go with in my book. It's more like he's annoyed that people are discussing policies when in past games it always led to that statement of his making the most sense.
Null for me. Notice that the basis of their argument is similar: it's a very easy target for scum. Then Holyflare comes with this very opportunistic post: Show nested quote +On December 09 2014 08:37 Holyflare wrote:On December 09 2014 08:32 27ninjabunnies wrote:
@ Slam
@ Damdred
Didn't HF basically do just the same thing? Except more of he came into the thread with "Omgerd we have cap posts. Im town, follow me later" and then leaves.
And yet, Damdred, you have him as town for basically a shit post?
While I agree, people talking about policy lynching and lurkers seem off, he seems just an easy target for people to scum read because of that. I'm still here and haven't made an excuse about leaving? I'm not sure I understand what you're saying in bold at all though. It's one thing to talk about policy but this is showing that first and foremost you did not read his post because: A) he wrote about not policy lynching lirkers because it's bad And B) he wrote about agreeing to policy lynch lurkers And secondly you are defending a person that "is an easy target to be scum read" when that person has done genuinely scummy things and you are brushing it off
##vote 27ninjabunnies
Enjoy your date Why this comes from a mafiaSee, why does Holyflare doesn't attack Vivax for using the same argument? Why does he completely ignore Vivax and goes shit aggressive against bunnies? Why doesn't he even do that against froggy, the contradictory one? Because bunnies will turn into an easy lynch and the others may be (I SAID MAY BE) his scum partners. Holyflare even ended lynching bunnies. Then says that people outside the NB wagon are scummy, including froggy. But he makes NO ATTEMPT to discover his alignment. He is just pushing his own agenda, without even considering solving the game. He just says someone is scum and pushes it. Putting it in a simpler way: he says what town agenda is (looking to the wasted votes), but goes against his own agenda (pushing ritoky in a timid way) This is the end of part 1. Part 2 will be tomorrow, because I'm going to a party. On December 14 2014 05:49 GlowingBear wrote:PART 2Odd final count analysis and lack of push on town agendaShow nested quote +On December 11 2014 13:08 Holyflare wrote:On December 11 2014 12:41 ritoky wrote:On December 11 2014 12:33 Holyflare wrote:
you're literally saying right here in the thread that the fact that I updated my read with my own tidbits + what other people had said makes me mafia? ahahahaha how many posts do you think bunnies made in that time frame? 1000? how many posts do I have to spend in a post limited game explaining things that other people are saying + adding my own things on? also the stuff that I said kita mentioned I fleshed out more in that post so it was actually my original thoughts and not just the bolded which you seem to imply it is
also, her points on kelsier were crap, the fact that I'm starting to scum read him now is totally irrelevant to her case being crap at all because it purely involves her flipping town and the stuff he said previous to her flipping
I find it hard to believe you could believe anything you are typing at all. she made 3 pages worth of posts, actually, so yes she made quite a few. I believe that's over 40 posts to respond to, so your exaggerating and laughing, but actually you're just lying and implying she didn't post a lot or a lot of substance. if she is your top scum read, 3 posts to push and develop your read seems shallow at best; especially with your standards. hell you devoted the same or more posts in the same time frame to reading vivax, kels, and xat; who you didn't push on at all. and i disagree that any of what you said regarding kita's stuff is original, it is all sheep. further as town you are one of the largest proponents of using your vote as a means of pressuring people into giving information, and you felt perfectly fine leaving it on a town. like you're just plain mafia. So you're saying that even though I spent 2-3 pages of filter PREVIOUSLY talking about bunnies all game the fact that I only spent a few long posts on her LATER when she had only posted like a page or less since I left with a lot of fluff in it makes me mafia? Why are you using the the latter half of the game to justify a read on me that should span the whole game? Have you even bothered to check the timestamps of when I've been around, I was sick all day and literally posted as much as I could on as many people I could in the time frame that I've been here (without trying to devolve into spammyness) I can't believe you'd ever make this read as town. Ever. It literally shows no progression of thought process at all and is a rough job of a case that is based on falsities twisted to fit your narrative. There is no way on this planet that a town ritoky would make this case. Just like the case you made on LS using exclusively meta reads. None of these things you are saying make anyone scum yet you're pushing them so vehemently that it's making YOU look scummy instead. I hope someone shoots this guy (ritoky) btw. On December 11 2014 12:43 LightningStrike wrote:
Okay Oatsmaster I got a Null read on him due to him not as much as he did on his town games but I guess the limit on the post number on each persons filter making try to conserve his posts a lot more than normal he did have some nice questions but he also made a weird call on Vivax being scum so idk what the true nature of his read on him is.
KSC I got him scum right now since most of his posts were more fluff than anything and he didn't ask good questions except once towards me but he also had a I told you so attitude on the lynch of 27ninja before the lynch which one of the scum members in the Campus Mafia game said about me when I was getting lynched kind of tells me he is scum at this point.
I dunno about oats anymore. My point on him was made kinda moot by xata so he's really just a ?. Don't like his wasted vote on vivax after saying he looked towny at all though. In fact there were a LOT of wasted votes. ritoky (1): 27ninjabunnies, kushm4sta, Fecalfeast27ninjabunnies (10): batsnacks, The_Templar, Fecalfeast, Holyflare, batsnacks, Half the Sky, sicklucker, kitaman27, liancourt, Vivax, Koshi, Alakaslam, Xatalos, Tubesock, Tubesock, Trfel Half the Sky (0): batsnacks, Xatalos, KoshiThe_Templar (2): GlowingBear, froggynoddy sicklucker (0): rsoultin, ObiWanShinobiObiWanShinobi (0): rsoultinVivax (1): Oatsmaster LightningStrike (0): ritoky, Alakaslamsicklucker (0): LightningStrikeliancourt (0): LightningStrikeGlowingBear (1): Damdred Fecalfeast (3): ritoky, LoneMeow, KelsierSC KelsierSC (3): The_Templar, 27ninjabunnies, LightningStrike, Alakaslam Xatalos (4): ObiWanShinobi, Vivax, Fecalfeast, rsoultin, Tubesockfroggynoddy (1): Half the Sky kush, gb, froggy, oats, damd, ritoky, lonemeow, kelsiersc, ls, slam, obi, vivax, fecal, rsoul, htsgonna check out all of those filters at some point to see their views on bunnies and why they weren't on her/what they were doing, kinda bad to still be on xata after he kinda adequately explained every accusation against him tbh and those rogue 1 and 2 voters that are on targets that were barely ever pushed at all (gb, froggy, hts) look terrible A good way to catch mafia is looking at who wasted their votes on the final votecount of a day. This looks like an attempt to do that. But, you see, he oddly points out EVERY other person outside the main wagon, which is NOT a reasonable thing, specially when we are talking about such strong player as Holyflare. Following his logic, me, frog and hts looks terrible. This is him stablishing the town agenda. In fact, our wasted votes looks terrible. Reminder: he didn't like froggynoddy's entrance either. But look at how inconsistent is his play: he stablishes town agenda, but pushes his own agenda (pushing ritoky). He does NOTHING to see these 3 people's alignment. He is NOT interested in these 3 people's alignment. He is just interested to look like an aggressive townie pushing ritoky, but he is actually not trying to solve the game. He is not trying to discover ritoky's alignment. He is just pushing for the sake of pushing someone. Why this comes from a mafia?: Mafia tends to look contributive but lacks the town intention for solving the game. He simply displays 3 names people should take a look at but does not go after those names. He is disinterested in solving the game, to discover people's alignment. That's not a townie. A townie would go against those 3 names he spoke of. He just posted this analysis because he wants to look contributive. Town read on froggynoddyWhen I noticed these patterns, I inquired him for reads on froggynoddy and Vivax. This is his response: Show nested quote +On December 12 2014 10:21 Holyflare wrote:On December 12 2014 10:08 GlowingBear wrote:
Holyflare
Your reads on froggynoddy and vivax, please. I have no idea how this is relevant in the slightest when I've made it pretty clear who i think mafia are. Either way, froggy is a kindaaaa towny/i dunno read. He writes quite long posts to say not much but I dunno how to explain that I don't want to lynch him other than saying his posts look innocent enough and to the point. He also wanted people to talk to him about his templar read that he's been pushing around the deadline which was cool and I kinda regret not talking to him more, he also said something around the bunnies lynch which i forget that made it seem like he was actually thinking about the game. I wouldn't say it's particularly difficult stuff to post as mafia but it seems pretty genuine to me. Vivax has been pushing people that I agree look scummy (- xatalos) but his reasons for doing it look like he's putting in the effort to find out inconsistencies. After a few games where we've been wrong on each other I think we've just resorted to ignoring the other and are just gonna base it on overall play. Well I am anyway. Not really bothered to elaborate further. You see, he was scumreading froggy noddy, said he looked terrible by his wasted vote, BUT CALLS HIM TOWN WHEN ASKED FOR A READ. This is someone who is NOT consistent with his reads. This is someone who gives fabricated reads and forgets them, or someone who doesn't want to scumread a possible partner. I know for a fact that Holyflare does this a lot. He scumreads a partner to further townread him. Remember: HE HAD NO ATTEMPT TO DISCOVER FROGGY'S ALIGNMENT. He started having this townread on him out of nothing, which is completely scummy. I'm sure you can understand mafia motivation behind it. Scumread on me This is hilarious. I want you to check these two posts regarding me, from the most recent to the oldest: Show nested quote +On December 13 2014 08:29 Holyflare wrote:
I can only assume someone pushing so much false information is mafia. Much like ritoky who even when presented with multiple pieces of evidence to show that his meta was wrong continued to push his scum read on me. Not to mention his initial contradictory stance on how he has a super solid meta read on me but was fooled last game even though he said that meta read existed then too. Glad to see absolutely nobody in this game is paying attention to that. Show nested quote +On December 10 2014 00:11 Holyflare wrote:
2 people haven't posted in this game at all yet, useful -.-
Oats, your post on vivax is wrong and your post refuting that wasn't in any english I could understand.
Ls looks not bad to me, dunno why people are hating on him giving all the meta when loads of other people do the same. Ritoky seems angry for some reason because of this??
Obi still being useless, just because he was useless last game (russian) as town doesn't stop him being able to be useless this game as mafia. It just means he's useless which increases the odds of him being mafia.
Kush.. Meh will resolve itself i think
Gb hasn't really done anything but hasn't done anything outrageously wrong like I'd expect him to as town but his picking on solely koshi and like nothing else is wearing thin and is pretty scummy
I dunno feel kinda iffy about hts after reading the things about kush feels a bit too flippant
New list oats, obi, (gb?) bunnies
Mehhhhbe/mehhhhbe not: hts, kush
HAHAHA
HE SAYS IT'S A TOWN TRAIT FOR ME FOR BEING OUTRAGEOUSLY WRONG, BUT WHEN HE THINKS I'M OUTRAGEOUSLY WRONG THE SCUMREADS ME.This is the most inconsistent thing I have ever seen. He didn't scumread me because I acted scummy. He scumread me because he felt I was getting close to him. He is trying to discredit me and to survive, and not to figure out my alignment. Town perspective would be evaluate my action and figure out my alignment for something he already knows about my gameplay. Mafia perspective is "I'm getting caught, I have to make this guy look bad" ##VOTE: HOLYFLARE RIGHT NOW!!!! On December 15 2014 09:53 GlowingBear wrote:
By the way, why would Santa try to lynch holyflare by having a "gut feeling"?
His check was obvious not on Kelsier.
Hm. On December 15 2014 10:10 GlowingBear wrote:
##Vote:Holyflare
I'll keep my vote on him until he claims.
OBI if you shot HF you're insane. -Calls for mass roleclaims multiple times, recants, then calls for mass roleclaims again. With possibly 2-3 town roles still out there, and no set number of anything, how does this benefit town, and why won't he stop harping about it?+ Show Spoiler +On December 12 2014 08:30 GlowingBear wrote:
I'm wondering if mass claiming day2 is a good idea. On December 12 2014 08:58 GlowingBear wrote:
Who was masoned with kita?
Time to claim. On December 13 2014 03:25 GlowingBear wrote:
You guys are out of your minds.
I had to come quickly to my work so I couldn't bring the points on holyflare.
By the way, mass claiming IS okay now, as a lot of vts died.
It will narrow our lynches A LOT On December 13 2014 03:52 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2014 03:30 Half the Sky wrote:
Bats, if you're going to make a case on anyone using meta, I would think reading filters would be required, otherwise your case is going nowhere.
GB: I don't understand the logic of mass claiming. Based on N1, we're sure they have Mass Murderer, likely the Branch Manager is out there too. Not sure about their RB or City Banker.
What good does it do for our key power roles (i.e. Santa) to claim? Is there something with the mechanics you're seeing I'm not? Why mafia roles are relevant? If people mass claim, mafia will have to counter claim in order to survive for long. This means that, at least, we will have to decide between 2 claims, when one is true and the other is false. Considering Scrooge is dead, we have 3 confirmed roles for town. There's obviously a Santa. That's 4 people we are not considering lynching today already. It's a lot. I don't care much for power roles. All we have to do to win the game is to lynch mafia, that's all. On December 14 2014 00:43 GlowingBear wrote:Ok, now that I'm sober (although extremely hangover), and before I continue with the case on Holyflare, I want to say a word about presents. Although talking about the power presents give is useless, there is an important thing about its mechanics that we should consider: Mafia is unlikely to give presents to town + Show Spoiler [Why?] + They have 66% chance of giving a important power to town. That said, if a mafia holds a present, he is most likely to give it to a partner and not opening it until they can see if the present town holds is the death one. Town, in the other hand, will give it to anyone day1 and the townie will most likely open it because they have a very good chance of opening a power present. This means: If damdred opened a present and flipped town, sicklucker is most likely town. If ritoky claims he's got a present and that he is opening it, he's most likely town, because mafia would hold it and give to another partner to see if that was the death present or not. There is no motive for mafia to say they will open it, since that, if they open the death present, they will flip mafia anyway, so ritoky's explanation actually looks fair. That's it guys. Btw, no mass claiming. It was a bad idea of mine. I've just realised mafia will have problems with so many possible powers against them. On December 14 2014 01:19 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2014 01:00 rsoultin wrote:On December 14 2014 00:43 GlowingBear wrote:Ok, now that I'm sober (although extremely hangover), and before I continue with the case on Holyflare, I want to say a word about presents. Although talking about the power presents give is useless, there is an important thing about its mechanics that we should consider: Mafia is unlikely to give presents to town + Show Spoiler [Why?] + They have 66% chance of giving a important power to town. That said, if a mafia holds a present, he is most likely to give it to a partner and not opening it until they can see if the present town holds is the death one. Town, in the other hand, will give it to anyone day1 and the townie will most likely open it because they have a very good chance of opening a power present. This means: If damdred opened a present and flipped town, sicklucker is most likely town. If ritoky claims he's got a present and that he is opening it, he's most likely town, because mafia would hold it and give to another partner to see if that was the death present or not. There is no motive for mafia to say they will open it, since that, if they open the death present, they will flip mafia anyway, so ritoky's explanation actually looks fair. That's it guys. Btw, no mass claiming. It was a bad idea of mine. I've just realised mafia will have problems with so many possible powers against them. Nice recant. Took you long enough. I'm not the first one to say no, that's stupid, just one of the first to scumread you for the mass role claim. You're still ignoring my comment that Mafia is fully capable of fake claiming the opening of a present (and what was Ritoky's main excuse, that it would be dumb to open a present as mafia if it could be the kill present?), claim that he had a KS, then follow through because mafia does have a KS. That said, I'm comfortable waiting to see if he dies tonight, if no one else who was scumreading him Day 1 feels inclined to do the same today because they think he's a stupid (or crafty) town. I'm not ignoring it, I'm considering probability. Mafia can do whatever they want to do. But it is likely that they do that? I don't believe so. He obviously received the present because I sent it to him. Unnecessary to claim it as mafia. Also, I know the setup was open on titanic v, but the thing is that a lot of vts died, the probability of we having a lot of power roles alive is high and if we all claim, we will be able to narrow people and discussion. We will narrow our lunch targets a lot. Anyway, it doesn't matter now because it is a better idea to not claim. Masons are confirmed to each other, aren't they? Because if they are, we will have another confirmed town without a power role. Do you understand why claiming masons is okay? On December 15 2014 10:42 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2014 10:37 rsoultin wrote:On December 15 2014 10:34 rsoultin wrote:
Or, and here is a really crazy thing.
We lynched KSC.
And that is why he didn't kill anyone.
You know...just a thought. EBWOP: Nevermind. You were talking about Night 1 there weren't you GB? It's possible he shot randomly into the crowd and happened to hit what he needed to, but yeah, it's probably more likely that someone else shot. I don't think that's how the mechanic works... Anyway, yes, I was talking about night1 It has been a long day and I'm not thinking properly now. Gonna put thoughts on things tomorrow. I gently ask for anyone who was roleblocked night1 and night2 to claim it. On December 16 2014 02:09 GlowingBear wrote:
I don't get why people aren't claiming. I don't fucking care about the shorty JK power. I care to know who is town and who is mafia because all we have to do is lynch them.
Why did the mason didn't claim yet?
I want to clear names from my head and go against scummy people. This is the most important thing. Yet here we are wasting our time instead of figuring out other people's alignment. - Presents unasked for defense/explanation for “gift-giving” being a purely town-motivated action, going out of his way to clear SL when SL was not being scumread/under fire. This one is simply a bit "why" for me. What with their duo, I can only think that a scum!GB has pocketed a town!SL and is trying to be read as town by association: Damdred(town)-SL-GB-ritoky??? Or, scum!GB is trying to protect scum!SL by giving him a WIFOM "confirmation". I agree with this entirely. I would add that saying something this obvious (I mean I may be terrible but even I got that when I read the set-up) Looks useful to town, but actually does not contribute much if anything+ Show Spoiler +On December 14 2014 00:43 GlowingBear wrote:Ok, now that I'm sober (although extremely hangover), and before I continue with the case on Holyflare, I want to say a word about presents. Although talking about the power presents give is useless, there is an important thing about its mechanics that we should consider: Mafia is unlikely to give presents to town + Show Spoiler [Why?] + They have 66% chance of giving a important power to town. That said, if a mafia holds a present, he is most likely to give it to a partner and not opening it until they can see if the present town holds is the death one. Town, in the other hand, will give it to anyone day1 and the townie will most likely open it because they have a very good chance of opening a power present. This means: If damdred opened a present and flipped town, sicklucker is most likely town. If ritoky claims he's got a present and that he is opening it, he's most likely town, because mafia would hold it and give to another partner to see if that was the death present or not. There is no motive for mafia to say they will open it, since that, if they open the death present, they will flip mafia anyway, so ritoky's explanation actually looks fair. That's it guys. Btw, no mass claiming. It was a bad idea of mine. I've just realised mafia will have problems with so many possible powers against them. On December 14 2014 03:46 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2014 03:42 Tubesock wrote:On December 14 2014 03:38 GlowingBear wrote:
Dude... You also use your part 2 to talk about presents when that implicates KILLING DAMDRED??? You are a scapegoat. Tube, sicklucker claims he sent damdred a present Damdred dies and flips town You can assume it was the death present Mafia is unlikely to give present to town day1
Therefore, SL is town - Throws a fit EoD2 when demands to vote HF and trust him fail, and piecemeal case is generally rejected. I included this mostly because people seemed to think this was a sign of being town. Unless bullying and yelling at people is a town trait, I don't really get it...Occasionally could be considered a joke, but this was completely over the top imo. I think this is irrelevant, he seems like a pretty belligerent poster which could be of either alignment, if anything I think its a little more likely that a towny player would display this kind of emotion (which could obviously also be faked = WIFOM) + Show Spoiler +On December 14 2014 04:57 GlowingBear wrote:
Obi, trust me. Vote for holyflare.
Trust me please. On December 14 2014 05:09 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2014 05:07 Alakaslam wrote:On December 14 2014 04:46 Tubesock wrote:
First, I don't expect anyone to really dig into what I saw until we lose a few more towns and have 0 mafia kills.
I do absolutely think I can be wrong. This is why I'm hoping and asking for help, if people don't see what I see and have asked many times, then it's not right. But, my reads have slightly changed. I'm replacing GB, in my published 4 (temp, kel, sick and GB) and my 5th changed and found my 6th. But before I say, I think I need people to try more to see from my eyes. When they do, they will understand more.
It's just like my interaction with Slam. He had no interest in me. I showed him I had something he wanted. Unfortunately, he (and the rest of you) thought I personally attacked him. I did not. I was seeing if we saw eye to eye. Now, I think he sees that I wasn't at all insulting him. Not one bit.
Specifically, aviation isn't like professional sports, the best pilots are not necessarily the best pilots. Amateurs and professionals are equal. We are all pilots. I think Slam would agree.
So, I need to figure out how to convey my thoughts on who I think are mafia. Unless I do that, then no matter what I say will be useless. Absolutely useless. Can vouch for this + Show Spoiler + except I think Dick Bong (unfortunate name on the Internet, pot smokers and references -_-) is the best- he equaled the Red Baron in a more advanced theatre of flight Tube sock I am two dozen. I was 3 when you joined AOPA. I am an idiot talk about the best thing all you like. GB WE GET FF NOT HF WHO IS TOO GOOD HEY BUT HE IS OBVIOUS MAFIA SLAM C'MON On December 14 2014 06:04 GlowingBear wrote:
I WILL LYNCH WHOEVER DOES NOT VOTES ON HOLYFLARE AFTER THE BEST CASE OF MY LIFE
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AND I'LL PM GAY PORN EVERYDAY TO YOU GUYS. EVERYDAY. On December 14 2014 06:06 GlowingBear wrote:
Seriously.
READ MY CASE.
VOTE HOLYFLARE OR POINT OUT WHY MY CASE IS WRONG. On December 14 2014 06:07 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2014 06:05 The_Templar wrote:On December 14 2014 06:04 GlowingBear wrote:
I WILL LYNCH WHOEVER DOES NOT VOTES ON HOLYFLARE AFTER THE BEST CASE OF MY LIFE
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AND I'LL PM GAY PORN EVERYDAY TO YOU GUYS. EVERYDAY. will switch if tubesock's tryhard defense continues to convince enough people to unvote him You will switch now. Mafia is deflecting the ongoing HF's lynch. It was the best opportunity for them to lynch HF but they started deflecting it to FF. You will switch NOW. On December 14 2014 06:20 GlowingBear wrote:
REALLY RITOKY?
I'VE MADE A STRONG CASE ON THE GUY WHO WAS PUSHING YOU AND TEMPLAR'S CASE IS GOOD? NO WORDS REGARDING MY CASE? On December 14 2014 06:25 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2014 06:22 ritoky wrote:On December 14 2014 06:20 GlowingBear wrote:
REALLY RITOKY?
I'VE MADE A STRONG CASE ON THE GUY WHO WAS PUSHING YOU AND TEMPLAR'S CASE IS GOOD? NO WORDS REGARDING MY CASE? i was 30 pages behind cuz of work, chillax; getting to it. also it was trfel, not templar; you should try reading it. it is pretty good. his case is just a little bit after mine, dude, lol. I read it but I'm too heated now. I'll getting out of the thread for a while. Please, all of you, read my case and give thoughts (and mostly, vote HF) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/472628-tl-mafia-lxix-carol-of-the-bells?page=121#2402 On December 14 2014 06:46 GlowingBear wrote:
Get back to HF, ff. - Doesn’t want vig to shoot top scum read and refuses to explain why until Day 3, claiming HF could have been town/vet when he hasn’t townread him the entire game since early Day 1. His vet story is particularly strange. Worried the vig might waste a bullet? Wouldn't that be a possibility regardless of who the vig shot? If GB thinks HF is scum, he should want him dead to confirm, and GB never admits to thinking HF isn't scum.+ Show Spoiler +On December 14 2014 10:34 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2014 10:27 ObiWanShinobi wrote:The most likely scenario we're dealing with is that there's scum on the Holyflare wagon. We hunt there first, and if Hf gets shot by either mafia or a vigilante and flips town, then we're in an awesome spot information-wise because we know exactly where some scum have hid, and it's likely there's more than one on his wagon. I just realized there's actually a scenario where Oats could be scum with Holyflare, but that would depend on the mafia team so absolved of thread influence that two mafia were the leading wagons and the whole team is made up of useless players with no thread pull. Just an fyi, Holyflare is anything but useless. It would be amazing if that were the case, but I don't think it is: out of the people who fit the bill based on their votes, LS is a claimed role as well, so it's unlikely. All of this is mostly speculation at this point. I need to do more legwork to get my analysis out before I most likely get shot.  1st paragraph won't happen :/ although I want HF lynched, I don't think he is a good vigi shot. 2nd paragraph: yeah, he isn't useless, but he is scummy. I'll debunk his defense soon. Although I'll say in advance that I may have misread something in his filter, since I couldn't find where he explicitly said froggy is scummy. All I've got was him calling his entrance out and saying froggy looks terrible (which, for me, is a way to say someone looks scummy), but I couldn't find where he explicitly said he was scum. Bummer. I believe it's possible that both wagons were mafia. Holyflare's vote was on FF. I simply don't like FFs wagon. Gonna check it again On December 14 2014 10:52 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2014 10:50 rsoultin wrote:On December 14 2014 10:48 GlowingBear wrote:On December 14 2014 10:44 liancourt wrote:On December 14 2014 10:34 GlowingBear wrote:On December 14 2014 10:27 ObiWanShinobi wrote:The most likely scenario we're dealing with is that there's scum on the Holyflare wagon. We hunt there first, and if Hf gets shot by either mafia or a vigilante and flips town, then we're in an awesome spot information-wise because we know exactly where some scum have hid, and it's likely there's more than one on his wagon. I just realized there's actually a scenario where Oats could be scum with Holyflare, but that would depend on the mafia team so absolved of thread influence that two mafia were the leading wagons and the whole team is made up of useless players with no thread pull. Just an fyi, Holyflare is anything but useless. It would be amazing if that were the case, but I don't think it is: out of the people who fit the bill based on their votes, LS is a claimed role as well, so it's unlikely. All of this is mostly speculation at this point. I need to do more legwork to get my analysis out before I most likely get shot. 1st paragraph won't happen :/ although I want HF lynched, I don't think he is a good vigi shot. 2nd paragraph: yeah, he isn't useless, but he is scummy. I'll debunk his defense soon. Although I'll say in advance that I may have misread something in his filter, since I couldn't find where he explicitly said froggy is scummy. All I've got was him calling his entrance out and saying froggy looks terrible (which, for me, is a way to say someone looks scummy), but I couldn't find where he explicitly said he was scum. Bummer. I believe it's possible that both wagons were mafia. Holyflare's vote was on FF. I simply don't like FFs wagon. Gonna check it again although I want HF lynched, I don't think he is a good vigi shot. what? HF needs to flip tonight or discussion won't progress tomorrow He isn't a good vigi shot. Period. Fail to see your reasoning here. If he's scum, dead is dead. If he's town, we waste a day trying to lynch him (or arguing about lynching him) tomorrow. No specific logic. Bad vigi shot. That's all. Let's move on to the next topic. On December 14 2014 11:00 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2014 10:54 rsoultin wrote:On December 14 2014 10:52 GlowingBear wrote:On December 14 2014 10:50 rsoultin wrote:On December 14 2014 10:48 GlowingBear wrote:On December 14 2014 10:44 liancourt wrote:On December 14 2014 10:34 GlowingBear wrote:On December 14 2014 10:27 ObiWanShinobi wrote:The most likely scenario we're dealing with is that there's scum on the Holyflare wagon. We hunt there first, and if Hf gets shot by either mafia or a vigilante and flips town, then we're in an awesome spot information-wise because we know exactly where some scum have hid, and it's likely there's more than one on his wagon. I just realized there's actually a scenario where Oats could be scum with Holyflare, but that would depend on the mafia team so absolved of thread influence that two mafia were the leading wagons and the whole team is made up of useless players with no thread pull. Just an fyi, Holyflare is anything but useless. It would be amazing if that were the case, but I don't think it is: out of the people who fit the bill based on their votes, LS is a claimed role as well, so it's unlikely. All of this is mostly speculation at this point. I need to do more legwork to get my analysis out before I most likely get shot. 1st paragraph won't happen :/ although I want HF lynched, I don't think he is a good vigi shot. 2nd paragraph: yeah, he isn't useless, but he is scummy. I'll debunk his defense soon. Although I'll say in advance that I may have misread something in his filter, since I couldn't find where he explicitly said froggy is scummy. All I've got was him calling his entrance out and saying froggy looks terrible (which, for me, is a way to say someone looks scummy), but I couldn't find where he explicitly said he was scum. Bummer. I believe it's possible that both wagons were mafia. Holyflare's vote was on FF. I simply don't like FFs wagon. Gonna check it again although I want HF lynched, I don't think he is a good vigi shot. what? HF needs to flip tonight or discussion won't progress tomorrow He isn't a good vigi shot. Period. Fail to see your reasoning here. If he's scum, dead is dead. If he's town, we waste a day trying to lynch him (or arguing about lynching him) tomorrow. No specific logic. Bad vigi shot. That's all. Let's move on to the next topic. Not acceptable. If you don't have a reason to say that, why are you saying it? I am trying to play ball with you here, GB...I'm not sold that you're not town or that HF isn't mafia, so can you at least work with me a little here? I can, but this is not a thing to be discussed at night. I can talk about any other topic you want On December 14 2014 11:23 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2014 11:06 rsoultin wrote:On December 14 2014 11:00 GlowingBear wrote:On December 14 2014 10:54 rsoultin wrote:On December 14 2014 10:52 GlowingBear wrote:On December 14 2014 10:50 rsoultin wrote:On December 14 2014 10:48 GlowingBear wrote:On December 14 2014 10:44 liancourt wrote:On December 14 2014 10:34 GlowingBear wrote:On December 14 2014 10:27 ObiWanShinobi wrote:The most likely scenario we're dealing with is that there's scum on the Holyflare wagon. We hunt there first, and if Hf gets shot by either mafia or a vigilante and flips town, then we're in an awesome spot information-wise because we know exactly where some scum have hid, and it's likely there's more than one on his wagon. I just realized there's actually a scenario where Oats could be scum with Holyflare, but that would depend on the mafia team so absolved of thread influence that two mafia were the leading wagons and the whole team is made up of useless players with no thread pull. Just an fyi, Holyflare is anything but useless. It would be amazing if that were the case, but I don't think it is: out of the people who fit the bill based on their votes, LS is a claimed role as well, so it's unlikely. All of this is mostly speculation at this point. I need to do more legwork to get my analysis out before I most likely get shot. 1st paragraph won't happen :/ although I want HF lynched, I don't think he is a good vigi shot. 2nd paragraph: yeah, he isn't useless, but he is scummy. I'll debunk his defense soon. Although I'll say in advance that I may have misread something in his filter, since I couldn't find where he explicitly said froggy is scummy. All I've got was him calling his entrance out and saying froggy looks terrible (which, for me, is a way to say someone looks scummy), but I couldn't find where he explicitly said he was scum. Bummer. I believe it's possible that both wagons were mafia. Holyflare's vote was on FF. I simply don't like FFs wagon. Gonna check it again although I want HF lynched, I don't think he is a good vigi shot. what? HF needs to flip tonight or discussion won't progress tomorrow He isn't a good vigi shot. Period. Fail to see your reasoning here. If he's scum, dead is dead. If he's town, we waste a day trying to lynch him (or arguing about lynching him) tomorrow. No specific logic. Bad vigi shot. That's all. Let's move on to the next topic. Not acceptable. If you don't have a reason to say that, why are you saying it? I am trying to play ball with you here, GB...I'm not sold that you're not town or that HF isn't mafia, so can you at least work with me a little here? I can, but this is not a thing to be discussed at night. I can talk about any other topic you want ...Unless you're trying to tell me that you're no longer certain of HF's alignment, it seems like you just don't want people to see him flip. And if you're no longer certain of HF's alignment, you should be able to "discuss" that just fine. I'm not an idiot to not understand what you're hinting at here, but the dodging is unnecessary when all you had to say was "I'm having doubts." Listen: we can discuss any topic regarding HF. There are a lot of reasons why I think HF isn't a good shot. I don't want to talk about any of them. But we can discuss HFs alignment, that's for sure. I still think he is scum. Odd thing: Kelsier didn't vote HF to keep alive. Thoughts on this? On December 15 2014 22:14 GlowingBear wrote:
Where did froggy agreed with my case?
I didn't want vigi to shoot HF because:
1) He could be town (I'm positive he is mafia but I don't have perfect information) and the way he claimed he was a role made me think he was the veteran. That's why I didn't want to talk, at night, exactly WHY HF wasn't a good shot
2) We have questions marks/scummy lurkers that are more worthy of a vigi shot: froggy, oats were the best shots. - Weird froggynoddy association flip comment, suggesting that if froggynoddy flips HF is scum. Does he really buy the froggynoddy nonsense he's spouting in his case? Or...could it be that this is a buss intended to add credence to his not-so-shiny case? as much as I want to agree with this I think this is just absolutely terrible logic rather than scummy play. + Show Spoiler +On December 15 2014 06:22 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2014 06:17 Alakaslam wrote:On December 15 2014 06:16 sicklucker wrote:
He claimed a blue role. Then he claimed sc No he didn't Stop talking about his shitty claim, we will now what will happen after the nightkills. I just ask you guys to be careful. In case I die, it means nothing regarding HFs alignment. Don't fall into WIFOM with the night kills. Anyway, I think I'll head the other way. If HF is mafia, I have this association that froggy noddy is mafia with him. So instead of going against HF tomorrow, I'll go against froggy noddy. By the way, if we have a vigi (which I don't think so), froggynoddy is an okay target. - Finally...yes, there is an end!...The weird reads on me. Note how he first links me to HFs alignment, then quickly backs down to a null read, then a town read. Suspiciously, this looks like a nod to general thread sentiment. no offence but my read on you has gone through all the colours of the rainbow so I meh + Show Spoiler +On December 15 2014 13:58 GlowingBear wrote:
Seriously, if HF flips mafia, I have contundent facts that rsoultin is hod partner.
Although I must say I'm impressed with his play here. On December 16 2014 02:28 GlowingBear wrote:
I was reading slam as town but I'm not sure anymore though.
I don't know what I make of rsoultin.
Templar fits the lurking mafia
Obi dying and not shooting is weird. It's hard to believe mafia nailed his alignment, roleblocked and killed him.
But it seems he was roleblocked which means ritoky could be saved by nigella. Which again makes no sense. Argh.
Froggynoddy is worthless in this game
So is oats, who townread Vivax day1 after a long quarrel but keeps his vote on his townread
HTS looks bad because it doesn't look like she is trying. Same to Tubesock.
It makes no sense, however, that Templar is scum with Tubesock.
His pushes on Tubesock are timid. I can see Templar very well being mafia. On December 16 2014 10:32 GlowingBear wrote:
By tunnelling you, I've made rsoultin mafia by association.
But looking at his filter and other dead people I feel like he is most likely town, although he has this weird things I'm pointing out. Please feel free to comment/ask questions. Like, why would mafia!ritoky successfully lynch mafia!ksc instead of HF? Well, if HF is town (and I have yet to see real evidence that he isn't), mafia!GB cannot afford to have HF flip. (No vig shot lololol) It really is that simple. If they can string this along to LYLO, they will.
Ok so looks like you did the work for me. My thoughts in green.
My questions to you are:
- Why GB over Rit?
- Does GB/Rit scumteam make more sense than HF/Rit scumteam?
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On December 17 2014 05:44 Fecalfeast wrote:
I need guidance. I don't particularly think HF is mafia but I don't like that ritoky lied. I see the logic in ritoky+HF and it's making my brain think which causes me great pain.
I also don't see why SL was called confirmed town for so long just because he acted like he was confused about roles.
Do you mind discussing the rit+HF logic. I am afraid I don't follow + am too tired.
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On December 17 2014 05:47 froggynoddy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2014 15:48 rsoultin wrote:GlowingBear...Stubborn or Anti-Xmas??? - He made several unexplained reads throughout the game (however a few, not all, were explained after he was pressed for reasons, i.e. me and SL) I can see early gut reads, but not later into the game, and not to this extent. Its true I don't like his lists. I also don't like how he's essentially claimed red (after perhaps mistakenly claiming blue) and yet is not dead yet. I don't really see town motivatio for claiming blue red even as a joke+ Show Spoiler +On December 09 2014 11:58 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2014 11:56 sicklucker wrote:On December 09 2014 09:38 Damdred wrote:On December 09 2014 09:35 GlowingBear wrote:On December 09 2014 09:33 Fecalfeast wrote:On December 09 2014 09:30 KelsierSC wrote:
So i think fecal is scum, we played a game together as town and early game he was very try hard, essentially Kush made a set up/mechanics comment and fecal went back to the setup, worked through all the permutations and then asked Kush to explain. Super town super eager.
this game i make a set up comment, then retract it and ff doesn't bat n eyelid. All he does is talk to slam about sumo. Which is pretty pointless. Like "herez an excuse nit to scumhunt" it doesn't feel towny at all I don't expect you to have read my other town games but I've gotten exponentially worse as town. GB do you have a comment on the current votes or discussion? Nope because I didn't read anything from the thread. Because I'm bored. Do you? I am town GB, but i am unable to give you a present currently if you are good i can share one of my many toys later on as when i was a child i was taught to share if i get one that is. You should really read the thread and are you blue gb seirously/ HMMM I see. I may want to lynch damdred after this. Don't ask me why On December 09 2014 12:01 GlowingBear wrote:
K gonna sleep
SL is town rsoultin is town
Bats is scummy
I'm going to lynch kush if I don't see his town tell.
Good night. On December 10 2014 00:15 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2014 00:11 Holyflare wrote:
2 people haven't posted in this game at all yet, useful -.-
Oats, your post on vivax is wrong and your post refuting that wasn't in any english I could understand.
Ls looks not bad to me, dunno why people are hating on him giving all the meta when loads of other people do the same. Ritoky seems angry for some reason because of this??
Obi still being useless, just because he was useless last game (russian) as town doesn't stop him being able to be useless this game as mafia. It just means he's useless which increases the odds of him being mafia.
Kush.. Meh will resolve itself i think
Gb hasn't really done anything but hasn't done anything outrageously wrong like I'd expect him to as town but his picking on solely koshi and like nothing else is wearing thin and is pretty scummy
I dunno feel kinda iffy about hts after reading the things about kush feels a bit too flippant
New list oats, obi, (gb?) bunnies
Mehhhhbe/mehhhhbe not: hts, kush
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA THAT'S MEAN. But for some reason, it makes me town read you. On December 10 2014 10:53 GlowingBear wrote:
Cool, townslam.
I think this game is going to be easy. On December 12 2014 01:09 GlowingBear wrote:
Koshi is mafia, c'mon.
Do I have a post count in my filter or I have to count one by one? On December 13 2014 03:52 GlowingBear wrote:
Bats is town.
This game is getting easier. - He delayed or completely failed to make reads most of the game (I don't think anyone can forget how long it took him to make his HF case.) I can't really talk as I haven't explained my reads much. The only thing I can add is that I find it more scummy for someone to be involved in the thread yet not being constructive/being disruptive than someone who is generally afk + Show Spoiler +On December 11 2014 11:58 GlowingBear wrote:
I'm gonna be warned if I keep posting.
Ritoky is probably mafia.
I'll only post once this night with updates reads. Expect a big post. On December 12 2014 22:10 GlowingBear wrote:
I want to read more of the thread before making a case on HF, but a lot of his reasoning is off. The lack of push on ritoky's present claim, the multiple scumreads of wagons outside the 27nb wagon and the 27nb mislynch is all playing against him.
His entrance in this game is awful, he picking on bunnies for being contradictory when picking up on frogs awful entrance but not picking on Vivax post on frog... This kind of double standards worries me. - The "recipient" of GBs "present" was being scumread by GB all through Night 1, until apparently he decided that HF must be scum therefore ritoky wasn't, and when questioned afterwards why he would give a "present" to possible scum, he responds that his read was "null" At the time of the gift-giving? I saw no reads from GB on ritoky before the one demanding he be lynched.: I think this is bad logic rather than scummy per se. I feel this reinforces possibility of GB scum Rit somehow town + Show Spoiler +On December 12 2014 05:52 GlowingBear wrote: lynch ritoky tomorrow Bye On December 12 2014 08:09 GlowingBear wrote:
I'm gonna read this thread now. And I'm going to hammer mafai.
Btw, lynch ritoky. I gave him the present. But he claimed that he got the present at night, not caring for being roleblocked. Like, lol. On December 12 2014 08:17 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2014 08:12 ritoky wrote:On December 12 2014 08:09 GlowingBear wrote:
I'm gonna read this thread now. And I'm going to hammer mafai.
Btw, lynch ritoky. I gave him the present. But he claimed that he got the present at night, not caring for being roleblocked. Like, lol. ????? I got it at the change of phase, and claimed when I decided I was gonna open it???? what are you smoking? you should know that presents change hands at the end of day phase, it is both in the rules and i confirmed it with the mod lol. The ability you earn can be roleblocked. I just thought you could use it night one instead of using it night 2. It doesn't matter anyway, you just revealed to mafia that you have a role now, which makes no sense for a townie. On December 12 2014 08:22 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2014 08:20 ritoky wrote:On December 12 2014 08:17 GlowingBear wrote:On December 12 2014 08:12 ritoky wrote:On December 12 2014 08:09 GlowingBear wrote:
I'm gonna read this thread now. And I'm going to hammer mafai.
Btw, lynch ritoky. I gave him the present. But he claimed that he got the present at night, not caring for being roleblocked. Like, lol. ????? I got it at the change of phase, and claimed when I decided I was gonna open it???? what are you smoking? you should know that presents change hands at the end of day phase, it is both in the rules and i confirmed it with the mod lol. The ability you earn can be roleblocked. I just thought you could use it night one instead of using it night 2. It doesn't matter anyway, you just revealed to mafia that you have a role now, which makes no sense for a townie. and opening something unknown that has a 1 in 3 chance to kill you (esp when you have a crap ton of kp) doesn't make much sense as mafia. i can wifom too broski It's not WIFOM, rit. It's just looking through perspectives. I can't understand the psychology of a townie who decides to claim he is going to open the present he received. You don't die night one, then BAM! You obviously got a skill and will be killed/roleblocked night2 if you're town. I can never see town doing that. On December 14 2014 03:52 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2014 03:45 rsoultin wrote:On December 14 2014 03:37 GlowingBear wrote:
Make a case on me. You're calling me scum multiple times for things that doesn't make me scum.
I want you to say mafias motivation for things you call me scum for. I've made my case on you multiple times GB. Unlike you I am not under scrutiny. I've explained what I think and why I think it. As for the gut feel that is contributing to it...what have you really done for town? Falsely brought up mass-claiming like that would be helpful. A bunch of jokes. A bunch of partial reads you have to be prodded on. Many promises you fail to carry out. (Your HF case is still unfinished.) Ritoky you were pressuring a little until others started...which, if you're town, why are you pressuring the guy you think is town (cause you're not going to send anything to mafia as town) then flip right back onto HF as soon as others start pressuring Ritoky? There's something wrong about how you're playing, and the scenario with both you and Ritoky as scum works. It is ballsy like Xata said...but assuming that mafia would never play ballsy...lol. If this is the way town thinks, that's the perfect way for mafia to play. Either way its WIFOM as shit. You're so focused on this matter that you fail to properly evaluate what I've brought for holyflare. What do you think of the case? Of the arguments? Why do you think mafia would make a case on one of the strongest players in the game? Do you see ANY mafia motivation behind it? I thought ritoky was mafia. I reevaluated it after putting more thought on it, mostly when I've realised HF is sure to be scum. I'm saying people are town based on gut feelings and probability. I have experience with some players here and I feel comfortable after I see some patterns. Like batsnacks, his townplay is like this. Slam also. It's hard to explain why, because it's more of a feeling than logical reads. I've townread you for the way you evaluated the present thing on sicklucker. I'm still reading you as town. I want you to get out of the tunnel you're currently in. On December 14 2014 04:09 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2014 04:02 rsoultin wrote:On December 14 2014 03:52 GlowingBear wrote:On December 14 2014 03:45 rsoultin wrote:On December 14 2014 03:37 GlowingBear wrote:
Make a case on me. You're calling me scum multiple times for things that doesn't make me scum.
I want you to say mafias motivation for things you call me scum for. I've made my case on you multiple times GB. Unlike you I am not under scrutiny. I've explained what I think and why I think it. As for the gut feel that is contributing to it...what have you really done for town? Falsely brought up mass-claiming like that would be helpful. A bunch of jokes. A bunch of partial reads you have to be prodded on. Many promises you fail to carry out. (Your HF case is still unfinished.) Ritoky you were pressuring a little until others started...which, if you're town, why are you pressuring the guy you think is town (cause you're not going to send anything to mafia as town) then flip right back onto HF as soon as others start pressuring Ritoky? There's something wrong about how you're playing, and the scenario with both you and Ritoky as scum works. It is ballsy like Xata said...but assuming that mafia would never play ballsy...lol. If this is the way town thinks, that's the perfect way for mafia to play. Either way its WIFOM as shit. You're so focused on this matter that you fail to properly evaluate what I've brought for holyflare. What do you think of the case? Of the arguments? Why do you think mafia would make a case on one of the strongest players in the game? Do you see ANY mafia motivation behind it? I thought ritoky was mafia. I reevaluated it after putting more thought on it, mostly when I've realised HF is sure to be scum. I'm saying people are town based on gut feelings and probability. I have experience with some players here and I feel comfortable after I see some patterns. Like batsnacks, his townplay is like this. Slam also. It's hard to explain why, because it's more of a feeling than logical reads. I've townread you for the way you evaluated the present thing on sicklucker. I'm still reading you as town. I want you to get out of the tunnel you're currently in. I've already responded to your case GB. Your town reads I'm not arguing with, in a general sense. Your points aren't very strong to me. Sorry. I did consider them. An entrance post and a different read on 27nb than vivax doesn't scream scum to me. I feel like you're mostly basing your HF read on the fact that he wasn't killed first night, and going from there. I'm not the only one with tunnel vision. Yet I am willing to back off you for now to pursue another possible scum, so...-shrugs- We could both be town firing away erroneously, but I still don't think so. I don't understand town giving someone they think is mafia a present, dude...you should want to give it to one of your strongest town reads. You yourself have made this point multiple times. Anyway, Trfel. What do you think of that push since we're probably not going to agree on this. Dude, I gave it to someone I thought was null at the time and that I can't properly read, so, if he was town, he would have a power and if he dies, it doesn't matter because it's less one in the game I can't read. I was going to change the target but I couldn't make it until deadline. That's why my vote is wasted. By the way, STOP VOTING TUBESOCK BECAUSE HE IS TOWN - Relentlessly tunnels HF for weak reasons, beginning with the simple observation that HF is still alive after N1. More curiously, the amazing "case"? All points he brought up beforehand. Amazing how long it took him to build it. Also note the weakness of this case. He cites 1) an entrance 2) responding differently to people town/null reading froggynoddy's entrance where it's clear that Vivax is calling his read null and 27nb's response is less clear 3)looking into wasted votes as if doing so automatically means that HF considers those voters scum, and someone town-aligned never would pay attention to the votes outside the train 4)a null-leaning town read on froggynoddy who HF never called scum during the game somehow being contradictory 5) HFs read on GB being contradictory because "spreading falsities" should apparently be in the same camp as doing something "outrageously wrong" and make GB a town read? Additionally we see what appears to be a clear attempt to try to warp Trfel's status as seer to suit GBs anti-HF train. I think this is strongest point so far. Kelsier was getting into some serious pressure, going after HF seems like an easy way to divert pressure before the wagon starts rolling. Implies HF is town though (which I'm not saying is not possible. + Show Spoiler +On December 12 2014 08:07 GlowingBear wrote:
ALERT!!! ALERT!!!
HF ISN'T DEAD NIGHT1 On December 12 2014 10:16 GlowingBear wrote:
I'm impressed you're not questioning Ritoky for claiming being GIVAN PREZANT, HF.
What do you think of it? On December 12 2014 10:48 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2014 05:47 ritoky wrote:
to whomever gave me this present, gonna open it. yolo, wish me luck. Show nested quote +On December 12 2014 08:40 Holyflare wrote:
I'm incredibly disappointed with the vigi if we do because he shot absolutely nobody that was a good shot. Not one of ff, ritoky etc died even though like 4 vets called them mafia -.-
Not sure what i think of the present opening tbh. It would have been great to give them to all the scummy people and forced them to open them/use them to our will :/
2 biggest proponents of a ff lynch also died which is cool, especially as lm was in the shadows while doing it so didn't look like a high priority kill Just check timestamps. You were here before. You know about the presents. You didn't push ritoky. You're not pushing him now. Your excuse of just coming to the thread isn't valid. On December 12 2014 10:49 GlowingBear wrote:
Oops you're pushing him now.
Gonna sleep and see the outcome of it tomorrow. On December 12 2014 21:24 GlowingBear wrote:
Slam is town.
Holyflare is mafia.
Ritoky's reason could be legit. I admit I tunnelled a bit after the present thing. I can, although with some reluctance, see his actions coming from a town perspective. More from a mafia perspective, but... I'll have to reevaluate his play in this game.
I want to lynch Holyflare today. On December 12 2014 22:02 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2014 21:42 rsoultin wrote:On December 12 2014 21:24 GlowingBear wrote:
Slam is town.
Holyflare is mafia.
Ritoky's reason could be legit. I admit I tunnelled a bit after the present thing. I can, although with some reluctance, see his actions coming from a town perspective. More from a mafia perspective, but... I'll have to reevaluate his play in this game.
I want to lynch Holyflare today. Why HF? And no, don't think so. Ritoky claiming so we know how he died is BS. It would just increase the possibilities from mafia/vig to mafia/vig/present, making things more difficult to decipher, not easier. Claiming before use of the power renders the power useless because now mafia has a sure thing to disable/take out over a guess. It just doesn't make sense, and while town cannot make sense, his refusal to see that is ridiculous. Yeah, that's a point. I agree with you. The problem is: HF is giving me scum vibes and although I know he busses a lot, I find hard to believe that they would both make a case against each other. On December 12 2014 22:10 GlowingBear wrote:
I want to read more of the thread before making a case on HF, but a lot of his reasoning is off. The lack of push on ritoky's present claim, the multiple scumreads of wagons outside the 27nb wagon and the 27nb mislynch is all playing against him.
His entrance in this game is awful, he picking on bunnies for being contradictory when picking up on frogs awful entrance but not picking on Vivax post on frog... This kind of double standards worries me. On December 13 2014 05:28 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2014 05:10 sicklucker wrote:
Actually whoever started with the third present should claim immediately. Just dont say who you gave it too. I can get alot of info off this. Lol what kind of info? Lololol Ok, listen: The only important point regarding presents is that ritoky claimed he got one, which is more detrimental than helpful, because, in case he don't die night1, he dies/get roleblocked night2, which is awful for town. But if you think of it again, there is no motive for him to claim that he is opening the present as mafia. I just used my brain a little more and got to this conclusion. Which means that talking about presents is only helpful when considering mass claiming. We should drop this discussion right now. HF doesn't look like he is pushin town agenda, but his own self agenda. This looks much more like mafia holyflare. He points out things that aren't really mafiaish and doesn't seem to try to further identify people's alignment. His pushes aren't for solving the game. They are mostly done just to push, just to make a lynch happen, maybe. His backtracking on froggy is weird because he kept an absolute stance regarding bunnies, who I just say sounded more null than anything, and froggy is leaning scum. HF once came to the thread and said that we should look for people outside the NB wagon, which is ridiculous. He wasn't talking about people who WASTED their votes. He was talking about people outside the main wagon. He also said me and ritoky looked the worst. You can see he is doing a timid push on ritoky, but it really doesn't sound like he is trying to figure out his alignment. Weirdly enough, the present claim from ritoky remained unquestioned by HF. MOREOVER, he did not make ANY attempt to figure out my alignment when he said I looked bad at that time. He is scum. On December 13 2014 06:15 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2014 06:04 Half the Sky wrote:On December 11 2014 13:08 Holyflare wrote:
kush, gb, froggy, oats, damd, ritoky, lonemeow, kelsiersc, ls, slam, obi, vivax, fecal, rsoul, hts
gonna check out all of those filters at some point to see their views on bunnies and why they weren't on her/what they were doing, kinda bad to still be on xata after he kinda adequately explained every accusation against him tbh and those rogue 1 and 2 voters that are on targets that were barely ever pushed at all (gb, froggy, hts) look terrible
Is this it? Yes. And I've just realised he talked about froggy looking bad, but he townreads him out of nothing later, when I ask him about Vivax and froggy.That's it guys. HF is scum. I'm voting noone else. On December 13 2014 07:09 GlowingBear wrote:
Just vote HF. He will flip scum.
I've just got home and I'm tired. Don't force me into making a full case on him. On December 13 2014 10:46 GlowingBear wrote: HOLYFLARE IS MAFIA! Part 1 EntranceShow nested quote +On December 09 2014 08:16 Holyflare wrote:
Here's how it's going to roll. This game has a cap on posts so if you start the game with usual joke crap and useless things like rng that you don't follow through with then I'm going to deem you irresponsible and not worthy of being listened to this game. I've rolled town, I'm going to save my posts instead of being usual and chatty and just come up with my usual list of who to lynch and who to never lynch so that when I get nk'd you can just follow it.
Get rekt mafia His entrance is bad. He says obvious things like saving posts because of post cap (which is a big cap, by the way, you can waste some posts). He then says he will ignore people that wastes posts. The problem is: he calls Templar out for the RNG thing but does not take any stance regarding it. He is also okay to ignore a thing that in a game with post cap could be considered a scum trait. Then he says the obvious thing about not wasting posts. This means (A) his entrance is a waste of post itself for not taking any stance and saying the obvious, (B) he is okay to ignore scum traits. Why this comes from a mafia: this is just a post to try looking contributive while being noncomittal and fluffy. This is also a pre-excuse to overlook any scummy people who are wasting their posts. Froggynoddy's entranceFroggynoddy's entrance is bad. It is. Show nested quote +On December 09 2014 08:20 froggynoddy wrote:
Gogogo.
RNG sounds pretty silly. Though at least it would create some content and stop people from lurking.
On the subject of lurking. having not played in a while... when I did play, town usually spent Day 1 arguing on whether to lynch lurkers, I assume this is still the case. I have to go to bed now (work in the morning) but pre-empting this topic lets just cut to the chase and all agree nicely that policy lynching is stupid, however in the absence of a decent slip to go on, lurkers are the best of bad lynch options.
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This entrance is bad because mafia tends to have a hard time to introduce themselves into the game. They will try to sound serious, to sound committal, so they look like they're town. Under this perspective:
"Gogogo" is completely forced.
Lynching lurkers wasn't being a trend in the topic but he says that policy lynchings are stupid and we shouldn't discuss it. The thread wasn't discussing. So, unnecessary to bring this up. By saying that we shouldn't discuss it, he starts a discussion towards it. But that's not the only problem. In the end of his sentence he ASSUMES it is ok to go against lurkers LOLOLOLOL.
Why this comes from mafia? As I've already said, mafia will try to look contributive, so this is just him trying look townie by saying something very easy to say as mafia. Worse, he then contradicts himself saying that it is okay to lynch lurkers under the lack of good target, which makes his policy-talking shit a waste of post. It is also a pre-excuse if he chooses to lynch lurkers later in the day, so he won't take responsibility for it
Holyflare picks on it in a timid way: + Show Spoiler +On December 09 2014 08:23 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2014 08:20 froggynoddy wrote:
Gogogo.
RNG sounds pretty silly. Though at least it would create some content and stop people from lurking.
On the subject of lurking. having not played in a while... when I did play, town usually spent Day 1 arguing on whether to lynch lurkers, I assume this is still the case. I have to go to bed now (work in the morning) but pre-empting this topic lets just cut to the chase and all agree nicely that policy lynching is stupid, however in the absence of a decent slip to go on, lurkers are the best of bad lynch options.
So what you're saying is policy lynches are terrible but if it all goes sour you want to policy lynch?? Bunnies and Vivax, however, have different opinions: + Show Spoiler +On December 09 2014 08:32 27ninjabunnies wrote:
@ Slam
@ Damdred
Didn't HF basically do just the same thing? Except more of he came into the thread with "Omgerd we have cap posts. Im town, follow me later" and then leaves.
And yet, Damdred, you have him as town for basically a shit post?
While I agree, people talking about policy lynching and lurkers seem off, he seems just an easy target for people to scum read because of that. On December 09 2014 08:35 Vivax wrote:
What froggy said is simple common sense but also something that never matters cause at the end of the day it's mostly some scummy looking person getting lynched.
I don't see it as scummy, just as something useless to talk about which isn't scummy at this stage of the game.
The biggest accusation you could make is that he's so serious in a setting where people are kinda joking, but that's not enough to go with in my book. It's more like he's annoyed that people are discussing policies when in past games it always led to that statement of his making the most sense.
Null for me. Notice that the basis of their argument is similar: it's a very easy target for scum. Then Holyflare comes with this very opportunistic post: Show nested quote +On December 09 2014 08:37 Holyflare wrote:On December 09 2014 08:32 27ninjabunnies wrote:
@ Slam
@ Damdred
Didn't HF basically do just the same thing? Except more of he came into the thread with "Omgerd we have cap posts. Im town, follow me later" and then leaves.
And yet, Damdred, you have him as town for basically a shit post?
While I agree, people talking about policy lynching and lurkers seem off, he seems just an easy target for people to scum read because of that. I'm still here and haven't made an excuse about leaving? I'm not sure I understand what you're saying in bold at all though. It's one thing to talk about policy but this is showing that first and foremost you did not read his post because: A) he wrote about not policy lynching lirkers because it's bad And B) he wrote about agreeing to policy lynch lurkers And secondly you are defending a person that "is an easy target to be scum read" when that person has done genuinely scummy things and you are brushing it off
##vote 27ninjabunnies
Enjoy your date Why this comes from a mafiaSee, why does Holyflare doesn't attack Vivax for using the same argument? Why does he completely ignore Vivax and goes shit aggressive against bunnies? Why doesn't he even do that against froggy, the contradictory one? Because bunnies will turn into an easy lynch and the others may be (I SAID MAY BE) his scum partners. Holyflare even ended lynching bunnies. Then says that people outside the NB wagon are scummy, including froggy. But he makes NO ATTEMPT to discover his alignment. He is just pushing his own agenda, without even considering solving the game. He just says someone is scum and pushes it. Putting it in a simpler way: he says what town agenda is (looking to the wasted votes), but goes against his own agenda (pushing ritoky in a timid way) This is the end of part 1. Part 2 will be tomorrow, because I'm going to a party. On December 14 2014 05:49 GlowingBear wrote:PART 2Odd final count analysis and lack of push on town agendaShow nested quote +On December 11 2014 13:08 Holyflare wrote:On December 11 2014 12:41 ritoky wrote:On December 11 2014 12:33 Holyflare wrote:
you're literally saying right here in the thread that the fact that I updated my read with my own tidbits + what other people had said makes me mafia? ahahahaha how many posts do you think bunnies made in that time frame? 1000? how many posts do I have to spend in a post limited game explaining things that other people are saying + adding my own things on? also the stuff that I said kita mentioned I fleshed out more in that post so it was actually my original thoughts and not just the bolded which you seem to imply it is
also, her points on kelsier were crap, the fact that I'm starting to scum read him now is totally irrelevant to her case being crap at all because it purely involves her flipping town and the stuff he said previous to her flipping
I find it hard to believe you could believe anything you are typing at all. she made 3 pages worth of posts, actually, so yes she made quite a few. I believe that's over 40 posts to respond to, so your exaggerating and laughing, but actually you're just lying and implying she didn't post a lot or a lot of substance. if she is your top scum read, 3 posts to push and develop your read seems shallow at best; especially with your standards. hell you devoted the same or more posts in the same time frame to reading vivax, kels, and xat; who you didn't push on at all. and i disagree that any of what you said regarding kita's stuff is original, it is all sheep. further as town you are one of the largest proponents of using your vote as a means of pressuring people into giving information, and you felt perfectly fine leaving it on a town. like you're just plain mafia. So you're saying that even though I spent 2-3 pages of filter PREVIOUSLY talking about bunnies all game the fact that I only spent a few long posts on her LATER when she had only posted like a page or less since I left with a lot of fluff in it makes me mafia? Why are you using the the latter half of the game to justify a read on me that should span the whole game? Have you even bothered to check the timestamps of when I've been around, I was sick all day and literally posted as much as I could on as many people I could in the time frame that I've been here (without trying to devolve into spammyness) I can't believe you'd ever make this read as town. Ever. It literally shows no progression of thought process at all and is a rough job of a case that is based on falsities twisted to fit your narrative. There is no way on this planet that a town ritoky would make this case. Just like the case you made on LS using exclusively meta reads. None of these things you are saying make anyone scum yet you're pushing them so vehemently that it's making YOU look scummy instead. I hope someone shoots this guy (ritoky) btw. On December 11 2014 12:43 LightningStrike wrote:
Okay Oatsmaster I got a Null read on him due to him not as much as he did on his town games but I guess the limit on the post number on each persons filter making try to conserve his posts a lot more than normal he did have some nice questions but he also made a weird call on Vivax being scum so idk what the true nature of his read on him is.
KSC I got him scum right now since most of his posts were more fluff than anything and he didn't ask good questions except once towards me but he also had a I told you so attitude on the lynch of 27ninja before the lynch which one of the scum members in the Campus Mafia game said about me when I was getting lynched kind of tells me he is scum at this point.
I dunno about oats anymore. My point on him was made kinda moot by xata so he's really just a ?. Don't like his wasted vote on vivax after saying he looked towny at all though. In fact there were a LOT of wasted votes. ritoky (1): 27ninjabunnies, kushm4sta, Fecalfeast27ninjabunnies (10): batsnacks, The_Templar, Fecalfeast, Holyflare, batsnacks, Half the Sky, sicklucker, kitaman27, liancourt, Vivax, Koshi, Alakaslam, Xatalos, Tubesock, Tubesock, Trfel Half the Sky (0): batsnacks, Xatalos, KoshiThe_Templar (2): GlowingBear, froggynoddy sicklucker (0): rsoultin, ObiWanShinobiObiWanShinobi (0): rsoultinVivax (1): Oatsmaster LightningStrike (0): ritoky, Alakaslamsicklucker (0): LightningStrikeliancourt (0): LightningStrikeGlowingBear (1): Damdred Fecalfeast (3): ritoky, LoneMeow, KelsierSC KelsierSC (3): The_Templar, 27ninjabunnies, LightningStrike, Alakaslam Xatalos (4): ObiWanShinobi, Vivax, Fecalfeast, rsoultin, Tubesockfroggynoddy (1): Half the Sky kush, gb, froggy, oats, damd, ritoky, lonemeow, kelsiersc, ls, slam, obi, vivax, fecal, rsoul, htsgonna check out all of those filters at some point to see their views on bunnies and why they weren't on her/what they were doing, kinda bad to still be on xata after he kinda adequately explained every accusation against him tbh and those rogue 1 and 2 voters that are on targets that were barely ever pushed at all (gb, froggy, hts) look terrible A good way to catch mafia is looking at who wasted their votes on the final votecount of a day. This looks like an attempt to do that. But, you see, he oddly points out EVERY other person outside the main wagon, which is NOT a reasonable thing, specially when we are talking about such strong player as Holyflare. Following his logic, me, frog and hts looks terrible. This is him stablishing the town agenda. In fact, our wasted votes looks terrible. Reminder: he didn't like froggynoddy's entrance either. But look at how inconsistent is his play: he stablishes town agenda, but pushes his own agenda (pushing ritoky). He does NOTHING to see these 3 people's alignment. He is NOT interested in these 3 people's alignment. He is just interested to look like an aggressive townie pushing ritoky, but he is actually not trying to solve the game. He is not trying to discover ritoky's alignment. He is just pushing for the sake of pushing someone. Why this comes from a mafia?: Mafia tends to look contributive but lacks the town intention for solving the game. He simply displays 3 names people should take a look at but does not go after those names. He is disinterested in solving the game, to discover people's alignment. That's not a townie. A townie would go against those 3 names he spoke of. He just posted this analysis because he wants to look contributive. Town read on froggynoddyWhen I noticed these patterns, I inquired him for reads on froggynoddy and Vivax. This is his response: Show nested quote +On December 12 2014 10:21 Holyflare wrote:On December 12 2014 10:08 GlowingBear wrote:
Holyflare
Your reads on froggynoddy and vivax, please. I have no idea how this is relevant in the slightest when I've made it pretty clear who i think mafia are. Either way, froggy is a kindaaaa towny/i dunno read. He writes quite long posts to say not much but I dunno how to explain that I don't want to lynch him other than saying his posts look innocent enough and to the point. He also wanted people to talk to him about his templar read that he's been pushing around the deadline which was cool and I kinda regret not talking to him more, he also said something around the bunnies lynch which i forget that made it seem like he was actually thinking about the game. I wouldn't say it's particularly difficult stuff to post as mafia but it seems pretty genuine to me. Vivax has been pushing people that I agree look scummy (- xatalos) but his reasons for doing it look like he's putting in the effort to find out inconsistencies. After a few games where we've been wrong on each other I think we've just resorted to ignoring the other and are just gonna base it on overall play. Well I am anyway. Not really bothered to elaborate further. You see, he was scumreading froggy noddy, said he looked terrible by his wasted vote, BUT CALLS HIM TOWN WHEN ASKED FOR A READ. This is someone who is NOT consistent with his reads. This is someone who gives fabricated reads and forgets them, or someone who doesn't want to scumread a possible partner. I know for a fact that Holyflare does this a lot. He scumreads a partner to further townread him. Remember: HE HAD NO ATTEMPT TO DISCOVER FROGGY'S ALIGNMENT. He started having this townread on him out of nothing, which is completely scummy. I'm sure you can understand mafia motivation behind it. Scumread on me This is hilarious. I want you to check these two posts regarding me, from the most recent to the oldest: Show nested quote +On December 13 2014 08:29 Holyflare wrote:
I can only assume someone pushing so much false information is mafia. Much like ritoky who even when presented with multiple pieces of evidence to show that his meta was wrong continued to push his scum read on me. Not to mention his initial contradictory stance on how he has a super solid meta read on me but was fooled last game even though he said that meta read existed then too. Glad to see absolutely nobody in this game is paying attention to that. Show nested quote +On December 10 2014 00:11 Holyflare wrote:
2 people haven't posted in this game at all yet, useful -.-
Oats, your post on vivax is wrong and your post refuting that wasn't in any english I could understand.
Ls looks not bad to me, dunno why people are hating on him giving all the meta when loads of other people do the same. Ritoky seems angry for some reason because of this??
Obi still being useless, just because he was useless last game (russian) as town doesn't stop him being able to be useless this game as mafia. It just means he's useless which increases the odds of him being mafia.
Kush.. Meh will resolve itself i think
Gb hasn't really done anything but hasn't done anything outrageously wrong like I'd expect him to as town but his picking on solely koshi and like nothing else is wearing thin and is pretty scummy
I dunno feel kinda iffy about hts after reading the things about kush feels a bit too flippant
New list oats, obi, (gb?) bunnies
Mehhhhbe/mehhhhbe not: hts, kush
HAHAHA
HE SAYS IT'S A TOWN TRAIT FOR ME FOR BEING OUTRAGEOUSLY WRONG, BUT WHEN HE THINKS I'M OUTRAGEOUSLY WRONG THE SCUMREADS ME.This is the most inconsistent thing I have ever seen. He didn't scumread me because I acted scummy. He scumread me because he felt I was getting close to him. He is trying to discredit me and to survive, and not to figure out my alignment. Town perspective would be evaluate my action and figure out my alignment for something he already knows about my gameplay. Mafia perspective is "I'm getting caught, I have to make this guy look bad" ##VOTE: HOLYFLARE RIGHT NOW!!!! On December 15 2014 09:53 GlowingBear wrote:
By the way, why would Santa try to lynch holyflare by having a "gut feeling"?
His check was obvious not on Kelsier.
Hm. On December 15 2014 10:10 GlowingBear wrote:
##Vote:Holyflare
I'll keep my vote on him until he claims.
OBI if you shot HF you're insane. -Calls for mass roleclaims multiple times, recants, then calls for mass roleclaims again. With possibly 2-3 town roles still out there, and no set number of anything, how does this benefit town, and why won't he stop harping about it?+ Show Spoiler +On December 12 2014 08:30 GlowingBear wrote:
I'm wondering if mass claiming day2 is a good idea. On December 12 2014 08:58 GlowingBear wrote:
Who was masoned with kita?
Time to claim. On December 13 2014 03:25 GlowingBear wrote:
You guys are out of your minds.
I had to come quickly to my work so I couldn't bring the points on holyflare.
By the way, mass claiming IS okay now, as a lot of vts died.
It will narrow our lynches A LOT On December 13 2014 03:52 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2014 03:30 Half the Sky wrote:
Bats, if you're going to make a case on anyone using meta, I would think reading filters would be required, otherwise your case is going nowhere.
GB: I don't understand the logic of mass claiming. Based on N1, we're sure they have Mass Murderer, likely the Branch Manager is out there too. Not sure about their RB or City Banker.
What good does it do for our key power roles (i.e. Santa) to claim? Is there something with the mechanics you're seeing I'm not? Why mafia roles are relevant? If people mass claim, mafia will have to counter claim in order to survive for long. This means that, at least, we will have to decide between 2 claims, when one is true and the other is false. Considering Scrooge is dead, we have 3 confirmed roles for town. There's obviously a Santa. That's 4 people we are not considering lynching today already. It's a lot. I don't care much for power roles. All we have to do to win the game is to lynch mafia, that's all. On December 14 2014 00:43 GlowingBear wrote:Ok, now that I'm sober (although extremely hangover), and before I continue with the case on Holyflare, I want to say a word about presents. Although talking about the power presents give is useless, there is an important thing about its mechanics that we should consider: Mafia is unlikely to give presents to town + Show Spoiler [Why?] + They have 66% chance of giving a important power to town. That said, if a mafia holds a present, he is most likely to give it to a partner and not opening it until they can see if the present town holds is the death one. Town, in the other hand, will give it to anyone day1 and the townie will most likely open it because they have a very good chance of opening a power present. This means: If damdred opened a present and flipped town, sicklucker is most likely town. If ritoky claims he's got a present and that he is opening it, he's most likely town, because mafia would hold it and give to another partner to see if that was the death present or not. There is no motive for mafia to say they will open it, since that, if they open the death present, they will flip mafia anyway, so ritoky's explanation actually looks fair. That's it guys. Btw, no mass claiming. It was a bad idea of mine. I've just realised mafia will have problems with so many possible powers against them. On December 14 2014 01:19 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2014 01:00 rsoultin wrote:On December 14 2014 00:43 GlowingBear wrote:Ok, now that I'm sober (although extremely hangover), and before I continue with the case on Holyflare, I want to say a word about presents. Although talking about the power presents give is useless, there is an important thing about its mechanics that we should consider: Mafia is unlikely to give presents to town + Show Spoiler [Why?] + They have 66% chance of giving a important power to town. That said, if a mafia holds a present, he is most likely to give it to a partner and not opening it until they can see if the present town holds is the death one. Town, in the other hand, will give it to anyone day1 and the townie will most likely open it because they have a very good chance of opening a power present. This means: If damdred opened a present and flipped town, sicklucker is most likely town. If ritoky claims he's got a present and that he is opening it, he's most likely town, because mafia would hold it and give to another partner to see if that was the death present or not. There is no motive for mafia to say they will open it, since that, if they open the death present, they will flip mafia anyway, so ritoky's explanation actually looks fair. That's it guys. Btw, no mass claiming. It was a bad idea of mine. I've just realised mafia will have problems with so many possible powers against them. Nice recant. Took you long enough. I'm not the first one to say no, that's stupid, just one of the first to scumread you for the mass role claim. You're still ignoring my comment that Mafia is fully capable of fake claiming the opening of a present (and what was Ritoky's main excuse, that it would be dumb to open a present as mafia if it could be the kill present?), claim that he had a KS, then follow through because mafia does have a KS. That said, I'm comfortable waiting to see if he dies tonight, if no one else who was scumreading him Day 1 feels inclined to do the same today because they think he's a stupid (or crafty) town. I'm not ignoring it, I'm considering probability. Mafia can do whatever they want to do. But it is likely that they do that? I don't believe so. He obviously received the present because I sent it to him. Unnecessary to claim it as mafia. Also, I know the setup was open on titanic v, but the thing is that a lot of vts died, the probability of we having a lot of power roles alive is high and if we all claim, we will be able to narrow people and discussion. We will narrow our lunch targets a lot. Anyway, it doesn't matter now because it is a better idea to not claim. Masons are confirmed to each other, aren't they? Because if they are, we will have another confirmed town without a power role. Do you understand why claiming masons is okay? On December 15 2014 10:42 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2014 10:37 rsoultin wrote:On December 15 2014 10:34 rsoultin wrote:
Or, and here is a really crazy thing.
We lynched KSC.
And that is why he didn't kill anyone.
You know...just a thought. EBWOP: Nevermind. You were talking about Night 1 there weren't you GB? It's possible he shot randomly into the crowd and happened to hit what he needed to, but yeah, it's probably more likely that someone else shot. I don't think that's how the mechanic works... Anyway, yes, I was talking about night1 It has been a long day and I'm not thinking properly now. Gonna put thoughts on things tomorrow. I gently ask for anyone who was roleblocked night1 and night2 to claim it. On December 16 2014 02:09 GlowingBear wrote:
I don't get why people aren't claiming. I don't fucking care about the shorty JK power. I care to know who is town and who is mafia because all we have to do is lynch them.
Why did the mason didn't claim yet?
I want to clear names from my head and go against scummy people. This is the most important thing. Yet here we are wasting our time instead of figuring out other people's alignment. - Presents unasked for defense/explanation for “gift-giving” being a purely town-motivated action, going out of his way to clear SL when SL was not being scumread/under fire. This one is simply a bit "why" for me. What with their duo, I can only think that a scum!GB has pocketed a town!SL and is trying to be read as town by association: Damdred(town)-SL-GB-ritoky??? Or, scum!GB is trying to protect scum!SL by giving him a WIFOM "confirmation". I agree with this entirely. I would add that saying something this obvious (I mean I may be terrible but even I got that when I read the set-up) Looks useful to town, but actually does not contribute much if anything+ Show Spoiler +On December 14 2014 00:43 GlowingBear wrote:Ok, now that I'm sober (although extremely hangover), and before I continue with the case on Holyflare, I want to say a word about presents. Although talking about the power presents give is useless, there is an important thing about its mechanics that we should consider: Mafia is unlikely to give presents to town + Show Spoiler [Why?] + They have 66% chance of giving a important power to town. That said, if a mafia holds a present, he is most likely to give it to a partner and not opening it until they can see if the present town holds is the death one. Town, in the other hand, will give it to anyone day1 and the townie will most likely open it because they have a very good chance of opening a power present. This means: If damdred opened a present and flipped town, sicklucker is most likely town. If ritoky claims he's got a present and that he is opening it, he's most likely town, because mafia would hold it and give to another partner to see if that was the death present or not. There is no motive for mafia to say they will open it, since that, if they open the death present, they will flip mafia anyway, so ritoky's explanation actually looks fair. That's it guys. Btw, no mass claiming. It was a bad idea of mine. I've just realised mafia will have problems with so many possible powers against them. On December 14 2014 03:46 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2014 03:42 Tubesock wrote:On December 14 2014 03:38 GlowingBear wrote:
Dude... You also use your part 2 to talk about presents when that implicates KILLING DAMDRED??? You are a scapegoat. Tube, sicklucker claims he sent damdred a present Damdred dies and flips town You can assume it was the death present Mafia is unlikely to give present to town day1
Therefore, SL is town - Throws a fit EoD2 when demands to vote HF and trust him fail, and piecemeal case is generally rejected. I included this mostly because people seemed to think this was a sign of being town. Unless bullying and yelling at people is a town trait, I don't really get it...Occasionally could be considered a joke, but this was completely over the top imo. I think this is irrelevant, he seems like a pretty belligerent poster which could be of either alignment, if anything I think its a little more likely that a towny player would display this kind of emotion (which could obviously also be faked = WIFOM) + Show Spoiler +On December 14 2014 04:57 GlowingBear wrote:
Obi, trust me. Vote for holyflare.
Trust me please. On December 14 2014 05:09 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2014 05:07 Alakaslam wrote:On December 14 2014 04:46 Tubesock wrote:
First, I don't expect anyone to really dig into what I saw until we lose a few more towns and have 0 mafia kills.
I do absolutely think I can be wrong. This is why I'm hoping and asking for help, if people don't see what I see and have asked many times, then it's not right. But, my reads have slightly changed. I'm replacing GB, in my published 4 (temp, kel, sick and GB) and my 5th changed and found my 6th. But before I say, I think I need people to try more to see from my eyes. When they do, they will understand more.
It's just like my interaction with Slam. He had no interest in me. I showed him I had something he wanted. Unfortunately, he (and the rest of you) thought I personally attacked him. I did not. I was seeing if we saw eye to eye. Now, I think he sees that I wasn't at all insulting him. Not one bit.
Specifically, aviation isn't like professional sports, the best pilots are not necessarily the best pilots. Amateurs and professionals are equal. We are all pilots. I think Slam would agree.
So, I need to figure out how to convey my thoughts on who I think are mafia. Unless I do that, then no matter what I say will be useless. Absolutely useless. Can vouch for this + Show Spoiler + except I think Dick Bong (unfortunate name on the Internet, pot smokers and references -_-) is the best- he equaled the Red Baron in a more advanced theatre of flight Tube sock I am two dozen. I was 3 when you joined AOPA. I am an idiot talk about the best thing all you like. GB WE GET FF NOT HF WHO IS TOO GOOD HEY BUT HE IS OBVIOUS MAFIA SLAM C'MON On December 14 2014 06:04 GlowingBear wrote:
I WILL LYNCH WHOEVER DOES NOT VOTES ON HOLYFLARE AFTER THE BEST CASE OF MY LIFE
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AND I'LL PM GAY PORN EVERYDAY TO YOU GUYS. EVERYDAY. On December 14 2014 06:06 GlowingBear wrote:
Seriously.
READ MY CASE.
VOTE HOLYFLARE OR POINT OUT WHY MY CASE IS WRONG. On December 14 2014 06:07 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2014 06:05 The_Templar wrote:On December 14 2014 06:04 GlowingBear wrote:
I WILL LYNCH WHOEVER DOES NOT VOTES ON HOLYFLARE AFTER THE BEST CASE OF MY LIFE
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AND I'LL PM GAY PORN EVERYDAY TO YOU GUYS. EVERYDAY. will switch if tubesock's tryhard defense continues to convince enough people to unvote him You will switch now. Mafia is deflecting the ongoing HF's lynch. It was the best opportunity for them to lynch HF but they started deflecting it to FF. You will switch NOW. On December 14 2014 06:20 GlowingBear wrote:
REALLY RITOKY?
I'VE MADE A STRONG CASE ON THE GUY WHO WAS PUSHING YOU AND TEMPLAR'S CASE IS GOOD? NO WORDS REGARDING MY CASE? On December 14 2014 06:25 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2014 06:22 ritoky wrote:On December 14 2014 06:20 GlowingBear wrote:
REALLY RITOKY?
I'VE MADE A STRONG CASE ON THE GUY WHO WAS PUSHING YOU AND TEMPLAR'S CASE IS GOOD? NO WORDS REGARDING MY CASE? i was 30 pages behind cuz of work, chillax; getting to it. also it was trfel, not templar; you should try reading it. it is pretty good. his case is just a little bit after mine, dude, lol. I read it but I'm too heated now. I'll getting out of the thread for a while. Please, all of you, read my case and give thoughts (and mostly, vote HF) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/472628-tl-mafia-lxix-carol-of-the-bells?page=121#2402 On December 14 2014 06:46 GlowingBear wrote:
Get back to HF, ff. - Doesn’t want vig to shoot top scum read and refuses to explain why until Day 3, claiming HF could have been town/vet when he hasn’t townread him the entire game since early Day 1. His vet story is particularly strange. Worried the vig might waste a bullet? Wouldn't that be a possibility regardless of who the vig shot? If GB thinks HF is scum, he should want him dead to confirm, and GB never admits to thinking HF isn't scum.+ Show Spoiler +On December 14 2014 10:34 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2014 10:27 ObiWanShinobi wrote:The most likely scenario we're dealing with is that there's scum on the Holyflare wagon. We hunt there first, and if Hf gets shot by either mafia or a vigilante and flips town, then we're in an awesome spot information-wise because we know exactly where some scum have hid, and it's likely there's more than one on his wagon. I just realized there's actually a scenario where Oats could be scum with Holyflare, but that would depend on the mafia team so absolved of thread influence that two mafia were the leading wagons and the whole team is made up of useless players with no thread pull. Just an fyi, Holyflare is anything but useless. It would be amazing if that were the case, but I don't think it is: out of the people who fit the bill based on their votes, LS is a claimed role as well, so it's unlikely. All of this is mostly speculation at this point. I need to do more legwork to get my analysis out before I most likely get shot. 1st paragraph won't happen :/ although I want HF lynched, I don't think he is a good vigi shot. 2nd paragraph: yeah, he isn't useless, but he is scummy. I'll debunk his defense soon. Although I'll say in advance that I may have misread something in his filter, since I couldn't find where he explicitly said froggy is scummy. All I've got was him calling his entrance out and saying froggy looks terrible (which, for me, is a way to say someone looks scummy), but I couldn't find where he explicitly said he was scum. Bummer. I believe it's possible that both wagons were mafia. Holyflare's vote was on FF. I simply don't like FFs wagon. Gonna check it again On December 14 2014 10:52 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2014 10:50 rsoultin wrote:On December 14 2014 10:48 GlowingBear wrote:On December 14 2014 10:44 liancourt wrote:On December 14 2014 10:34 GlowingBear wrote:On December 14 2014 10:27 ObiWanShinobi wrote:The most likely scenario we're dealing with is that there's scum on the Holyflare wagon. We hunt there first, and if Hf gets shot by either mafia or a vigilante and flips town, then we're in an awesome spot information-wise because we know exactly where some scum have hid, and it's likely there's more than one on his wagon. I just realized there's actually a scenario where Oats could be scum with Holyflare, but that would depend on the mafia team so absolved of thread influence that two mafia were the leading wagons and the whole team is made up of useless players with no thread pull. Just an fyi, Holyflare is anything but useless. It would be amazing if that were the case, but I don't think it is: out of the people who fit the bill based on their votes, LS is a claimed role as well, so it's unlikely. All of this is mostly speculation at this point. I need to do more legwork to get my analysis out before I most likely get shot. 1st paragraph won't happen :/ although I want HF lynched, I don't think he is a good vigi shot. 2nd paragraph: yeah, he isn't useless, but he is scummy. I'll debunk his defense soon. Although I'll say in advance that I may have misread something in his filter, since I couldn't find where he explicitly said froggy is scummy. All I've got was him calling his entrance out and saying froggy looks terrible (which, for me, is a way to say someone looks scummy), but I couldn't find where he explicitly said he was scum. Bummer. I believe it's possible that both wagons were mafia. Holyflare's vote was on FF. I simply don't like FFs wagon. Gonna check it again although I want HF lynched, I don't think he is a good vigi shot. what? HF needs to flip tonight or discussion won't progress tomorrow He isn't a good vigi shot. Period. Fail to see your reasoning here. If he's scum, dead is dead. If he's town, we waste a day trying to lynch him (or arguing about lynching him) tomorrow. No specific logic. Bad vigi shot. That's all. Let's move on to the next topic. On December 14 2014 11:00 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2014 10:54 rsoultin wrote:On December 14 2014 10:52 GlowingBear wrote:On December 14 2014 10:50 rsoultin wrote:On December 14 2014 10:48 GlowingBear wrote:On December 14 2014 10:44 liancourt wrote:On December 14 2014 10:34 GlowingBear wrote:On December 14 2014 10:27 ObiWanShinobi wrote:The most likely scenario we're dealing with is that there's scum on the Holyflare wagon. We hunt there first, and if Hf gets shot by either mafia or a vigilante and flips town, then we're in an awesome spot information-wise because we know exactly where some scum have hid, and it's likely there's more than one on his wagon. I just realized there's actually a scenario where Oats could be scum with Holyflare, but that would depend on the mafia team so absolved of thread influence that two mafia were the leading wagons and the whole team is made up of useless players with no thread pull. Just an fyi, Holyflare is anything but useless. It would be amazing if that were the case, but I don't think it is: out of the people who fit the bill based on their votes, LS is a claimed role as well, so it's unlikely. All of this is mostly speculation at this point. I need to do more legwork to get my analysis out before I most likely get shot. 1st paragraph won't happen :/ although I want HF lynched, I don't think he is a good vigi shot. 2nd paragraph: yeah, he isn't useless, but he is scummy. I'll debunk his defense soon. Although I'll say in advance that I may have misread something in his filter, since I couldn't find where he explicitly said froggy is scummy. All I've got was him calling his entrance out and saying froggy looks terrible (which, for me, is a way to say someone looks scummy), but I couldn't find where he explicitly said he was scum. Bummer. I believe it's possible that both wagons were mafia. Holyflare's vote was on FF. I simply don't like FFs wagon. Gonna check it again although I want HF lynched, I don't think he is a good vigi shot. what? HF needs to flip tonight or discussion won't progress tomorrow He isn't a good vigi shot. Period. Fail to see your reasoning here. If he's scum, dead is dead. If he's town, we waste a day trying to lynch him (or arguing about lynching him) tomorrow. No specific logic. Bad vigi shot. That's all. Let's move on to the next topic. Not acceptable. If you don't have a reason to say that, why are you saying it? I am trying to play ball with you here, GB...I'm not sold that you're not town or that HF isn't mafia, so can you at least work with me a little here? I can, but this is not a thing to be discussed at night. I can talk about any other topic you want On December 14 2014 11:23 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2014 11:06 rsoultin wrote:On December 14 2014 11:00 GlowingBear wrote:On December 14 2014 10:54 rsoultin wrote:On December 14 2014 10:52 GlowingBear wrote:On December 14 2014 10:50 rsoultin wrote:On December 14 2014 10:48 GlowingBear wrote:On December 14 2014 10:44 liancourt wrote:On December 14 2014 10:34 GlowingBear wrote:On December 14 2014 10:27 ObiWanShinobi wrote:The most likely scenario we're dealing with is that there's scum on the Holyflare wagon. We hunt there first, and if Hf gets shot by either mafia or a vigilante and flips town, then we're in an awesome spot information-wise because we know exactly where some scum have hid, and it's likely there's more than one on his wagon. I just realized there's actually a scenario where Oats could be scum with Holyflare, but that would depend on the mafia team so absolved of thread influence that two mafia were the leading wagons and the whole team is made up of useless players with no thread pull. Just an fyi, Holyflare is anything but useless. It would be amazing if that were the case, but I don't think it is: out of the people who fit the bill based on their votes, LS is a claimed role as well, so it's unlikely. All of this is mostly speculation at this point. I need to do more legwork to get my analysis out before I most likely get shot. 1st paragraph won't happen :/ although I want HF lynched, I don't think he is a good vigi shot. 2nd paragraph: yeah, he isn't useless, but he is scummy. I'll debunk his defense soon. Although I'll say in advance that I may have misread something in his filter, since I couldn't find where he explicitly said froggy is scummy. All I've got was him calling his entrance out and saying froggy looks terrible (which, for me, is a way to say someone looks scummy), but I couldn't find where he explicitly said he was scum. Bummer. I believe it's possible that both wagons were mafia. Holyflare's vote was on FF. I simply don't like FFs wagon. Gonna check it again although I want HF lynched, I don't think he is a good vigi shot. what? HF needs to flip tonight or discussion won't progress tomorrow He isn't a good vigi shot. Period. Fail to see your reasoning here. If he's scum, dead is dead. If he's town, we waste a day trying to lynch him (or arguing about lynching him) tomorrow. No specific logic. Bad vigi shot. That's all. Let's move on to the next topic. Not acceptable. If you don't have a reason to say that, why are you saying it? I am trying to play ball with you here, GB...I'm not sold that you're not town or that HF isn't mafia, so can you at least work with me a little here? I can, but this is not a thing to be discussed at night. I can talk about any other topic you want ...Unless you're trying to tell me that you're no longer certain of HF's alignment, it seems like you just don't want people to see him flip. And if you're no longer certain of HF's alignment, you should be able to "discuss" that just fine. I'm not an idiot to not understand what you're hinting at here, but the dodging is unnecessary when all you had to say was "I'm having doubts." Listen: we can discuss any topic regarding HF. There are a lot of reasons why I think HF isn't a good shot. I don't want to talk about any of them. But we can discuss HFs alignment, that's for sure. I still think he is scum. Odd thing: Kelsier didn't vote HF to keep alive. Thoughts on this? On December 15 2014 22:14 GlowingBear wrote:
Where did froggy agreed with my case?
I didn't want vigi to shoot HF because:
1) He could be town (I'm positive he is mafia but I don't have perfect information) and the way he claimed he was a role made me think he was the veteran. That's why I didn't want to talk, at night, exactly WHY HF wasn't a good shot
2) We have questions marks/scummy lurkers that are more worthy of a vigi shot: froggy, oats were the best shots. - Weird froggynoddy association flip comment, suggesting that if froggynoddy flips HF is scum. Does he really buy the froggynoddy nonsense he's spouting in his case? Or...could it be that this is a buss intended to add credence to his not-so-shiny case? as much as I want to agree with this I think this is just absolutely terrible logic rather than scummy play. + Show Spoiler +On December 15 2014 06:22 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2014 06:17 Alakaslam wrote:On December 15 2014 06:16 sicklucker wrote:
He claimed a blue role. Then he claimed sc No he didn't Stop talking about his shitty claim, we will now what will happen after the nightkills. I just ask you guys to be careful. In case I die, it means nothing regarding HFs alignment. Don't fall into WIFOM with the night kills. Anyway, I think I'll head the other way. If HF is mafia, I have this association that froggy noddy is mafia with him. So instead of going against HF tomorrow, I'll go against froggy noddy. By the way, if we have a vigi (which I don't think so), froggynoddy is an okay target. - Finally...yes, there is an end!...The weird reads on me. Note how he first links me to HFs alignment, then quickly backs down to a null read, then a town read. Suspiciously, this looks like a nod to general thread sentiment. no offence but my read on you has gone through all the colours of the rainbow so I meh + Show Spoiler +On December 15 2014 13:58 GlowingBear wrote:
Seriously, if HF flips mafia, I have contundent facts that rsoultin is hod partner.
Although I must say I'm impressed with his play here. On December 16 2014 02:28 GlowingBear wrote:
I was reading slam as town but I'm not sure anymore though.
I don't know what I make of rsoultin.
Templar fits the lurking mafia
Obi dying and not shooting is weird. It's hard to believe mafia nailed his alignment, roleblocked and killed him.
But it seems he was roleblocked which means ritoky could be saved by nigella. Which again makes no sense. Argh.
Froggynoddy is worthless in this game
So is oats, who townread Vivax day1 after a long quarrel but keeps his vote on his townread
HTS looks bad because it doesn't look like she is trying. Same to Tubesock.
It makes no sense, however, that Templar is scum with Tubesock.
His pushes on Tubesock are timid. I can see Templar very well being mafia. On December 16 2014 10:32 GlowingBear wrote:
By tunnelling you, I've made rsoultin mafia by association.
But looking at his filter and other dead people I feel like he is most likely town, although he has this weird things I'm pointing out. Please feel free to comment/ask questions. Like, why would mafia!ritoky successfully lynch mafia!ksc instead of HF? Well, if HF is town (and I have yet to see real evidence that he isn't), mafia!GB cannot afford to have HF flip. (No vig shot lololol) It really is that simple. If they can string this along to LYLO, they will. Ok so looks like you did the work for me. My thoughts in green. My questions to you are: - Why GB over Rit? - Does GB/Rit scumteam make more sense than HF/Rit scumteam?
This is for the lynch after Rit in case you didn't see the votes.
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On December 17 2014 04:39 batsnacks wrote:
How many people are scum reading ritoky but not HF?
If this is true for you pls explain why you are scum reading ritoky.
@ritoky please walk me through from the beginning exactly what happened with you claiming and how much of what youve said is true. Start from when you first received the present, if you even did receive a present.
Start of game, got role pm.
Played day 1
Beginning of Night 1, got pm saying had present
Thought about it all night, said yolo opening present.
Got lambasted by every1 in the game even though they didn't read my reasons
Night 2 begins, thought I could be cute to get around the RB and hold the shot
Night 2 ends, shot disappears
Day 3, everyone spamming me for info, I panic and explain it away while slightly intoxicated from the seahawks game.
Everyone votes me cuz I played terrible enough to deserve it.
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PS: Though I think GB would be a good lynch, we still have to lynch Rit first. If we don't and he is not scum (as sad as that would be) then we would be operating on a huge assumption that could kill the game. I think perhaps this is what Vivax meant as a policy lynch but I will let him answer that comment.
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On December 17 2014 05:50 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2014 05:47 froggynoddy wrote:On December 16 2014 15:48 rsoultin wrote:GlowingBear...Stubborn or Anti-Xmas??? - He made several unexplained reads throughout the game (however a few, not all, were explained after he was pressed for reasons, i.e. me and SL) I can see early gut reads, but not later into the game, and not to this extent. Its true I don't like his lists. I also don't like how he's essentially claimed red (after perhaps mistakenly claiming blue) and yet is not dead yet. I don't really see town motivatio for claiming blue red even as a joke+ Show Spoiler +On December 09 2014 11:58 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2014 11:56 sicklucker wrote:On December 09 2014 09:38 Damdred wrote:On December 09 2014 09:35 GlowingBear wrote:On December 09 2014 09:33 Fecalfeast wrote:On December 09 2014 09:30 KelsierSC wrote:
So i think fecal is scum, we played a game together as town and early game he was very try hard, essentially Kush made a set up/mechanics comment and fecal went back to the setup, worked through all the permutations and then asked Kush to explain. Super town super eager.
this game i make a set up comment, then retract it and ff doesn't bat n eyelid. All he does is talk to slam about sumo. Which is pretty pointless. Like "herez an excuse nit to scumhunt" it doesn't feel towny at all I don't expect you to have read my other town games but I've gotten exponentially worse as town. GB do you have a comment on the current votes or discussion? Nope because I didn't read anything from the thread. Because I'm bored. Do you? I am town GB, but i am unable to give you a present currently if you are good i can share one of my many toys later on as when i was a child i was taught to share if i get one that is. You should really read the thread and are you blue gb seirously/ HMMM I see. I may want to lynch damdred after this. Don't ask me why On December 09 2014 12:01 GlowingBear wrote:
K gonna sleep
SL is town rsoultin is town
Bats is scummy
I'm going to lynch kush if I don't see his town tell.
Good night. On December 10 2014 00:15 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2014 00:11 Holyflare wrote:
2 people haven't posted in this game at all yet, useful -.-
Oats, your post on vivax is wrong and your post refuting that wasn't in any english I could understand.
Ls looks not bad to me, dunno why people are hating on him giving all the meta when loads of other people do the same. Ritoky seems angry for some reason because of this??
Obi still being useless, just because he was useless last game (russian) as town doesn't stop him being able to be useless this game as mafia. It just means he's useless which increases the odds of him being mafia.
Kush.. Meh will resolve itself i think
Gb hasn't really done anything but hasn't done anything outrageously wrong like I'd expect him to as town but his picking on solely koshi and like nothing else is wearing thin and is pretty scummy
I dunno feel kinda iffy about hts after reading the things about kush feels a bit too flippant
New list oats, obi, (gb?) bunnies
Mehhhhbe/mehhhhbe not: hts, kush
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA THAT'S MEAN. But for some reason, it makes me town read you. On December 10 2014 10:53 GlowingBear wrote:
Cool, townslam.
I think this game is going to be easy. On December 12 2014 01:09 GlowingBear wrote:
Koshi is mafia, c'mon.
Do I have a post count in my filter or I have to count one by one? On December 13 2014 03:52 GlowingBear wrote:
Bats is town.
This game is getting easier. - He delayed or completely failed to make reads most of the game (I don't think anyone can forget how long it took him to make his HF case.) I can't really talk as I haven't explained my reads much. The only thing I can add is that I find it more scummy for someone to be involved in the thread yet not being constructive/being disruptive than someone who is generally afk + Show Spoiler +On December 11 2014 11:58 GlowingBear wrote:
I'm gonna be warned if I keep posting.
Ritoky is probably mafia.
I'll only post once this night with updates reads. Expect a big post. On December 12 2014 22:10 GlowingBear wrote:
I want to read more of the thread before making a case on HF, but a lot of his reasoning is off. The lack of push on ritoky's present claim, the multiple scumreads of wagons outside the 27nb wagon and the 27nb mislynch is all playing against him.
His entrance in this game is awful, he picking on bunnies for being contradictory when picking up on frogs awful entrance but not picking on Vivax post on frog... This kind of double standards worries me. - The "recipient" of GBs "present" was being scumread by GB all through Night 1, until apparently he decided that HF must be scum therefore ritoky wasn't, and when questioned afterwards why he would give a "present" to possible scum, he responds that his read was "null" At the time of the gift-giving? I saw no reads from GB on ritoky before the one demanding he be lynched.: I think this is bad logic rather than scummy per se. I feel this reinforces possibility of GB scum Rit somehow town + Show Spoiler +On December 12 2014 05:52 GlowingBear wrote: lynch ritoky tomorrow Bye On December 12 2014 08:09 GlowingBear wrote:
I'm gonna read this thread now. And I'm going to hammer mafai.
Btw, lynch ritoky. I gave him the present. But he claimed that he got the present at night, not caring for being roleblocked. Like, lol. On December 12 2014 08:17 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2014 08:12 ritoky wrote:On December 12 2014 08:09 GlowingBear wrote:
I'm gonna read this thread now. And I'm going to hammer mafai.
Btw, lynch ritoky. I gave him the present. But he claimed that he got the present at night, not caring for being roleblocked. Like, lol. ????? I got it at the change of phase, and claimed when I decided I was gonna open it???? what are you smoking? you should know that presents change hands at the end of day phase, it is both in the rules and i confirmed it with the mod lol. The ability you earn can be roleblocked. I just thought you could use it night one instead of using it night 2. It doesn't matter anyway, you just revealed to mafia that you have a role now, which makes no sense for a townie. On December 12 2014 08:22 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2014 08:20 ritoky wrote:On December 12 2014 08:17 GlowingBear wrote:On December 12 2014 08:12 ritoky wrote:On December 12 2014 08:09 GlowingBear wrote:
I'm gonna read this thread now. And I'm going to hammer mafai.
Btw, lynch ritoky. I gave him the present. But he claimed that he got the present at night, not caring for being roleblocked. Like, lol. ????? I got it at the change of phase, and claimed when I decided I was gonna open it???? what are you smoking? you should know that presents change hands at the end of day phase, it is both in the rules and i confirmed it with the mod lol. The ability you earn can be roleblocked. I just thought you could use it night one instead of using it night 2. It doesn't matter anyway, you just revealed to mafia that you have a role now, which makes no sense for a townie. and opening something unknown that has a 1 in 3 chance to kill you (esp when you have a crap ton of kp) doesn't make much sense as mafia. i can wifom too broski It's not WIFOM, rit. It's just looking through perspectives. I can't understand the psychology of a townie who decides to claim he is going to open the present he received. You don't die night one, then BAM! You obviously got a skill and will be killed/roleblocked night2 if you're town. I can never see town doing that. On December 14 2014 03:52 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2014 03:45 rsoultin wrote:On December 14 2014 03:37 GlowingBear wrote:
Make a case on me. You're calling me scum multiple times for things that doesn't make me scum.
I want you to say mafias motivation for things you call me scum for. I've made my case on you multiple times GB. Unlike you I am not under scrutiny. I've explained what I think and why I think it. As for the gut feel that is contributing to it...what have you really done for town? Falsely brought up mass-claiming like that would be helpful. A bunch of jokes. A bunch of partial reads you have to be prodded on. Many promises you fail to carry out. (Your HF case is still unfinished.) Ritoky you were pressuring a little until others started...which, if you're town, why are you pressuring the guy you think is town (cause you're not going to send anything to mafia as town) then flip right back onto HF as soon as others start pressuring Ritoky? There's something wrong about how you're playing, and the scenario with both you and Ritoky as scum works. It is ballsy like Xata said...but assuming that mafia would never play ballsy...lol. If this is the way town thinks, that's the perfect way for mafia to play. Either way its WIFOM as shit. You're so focused on this matter that you fail to properly evaluate what I've brought for holyflare. What do you think of the case? Of the arguments? Why do you think mafia would make a case on one of the strongest players in the game? Do you see ANY mafia motivation behind it? I thought ritoky was mafia. I reevaluated it after putting more thought on it, mostly when I've realised HF is sure to be scum. I'm saying people are town based on gut feelings and probability. I have experience with some players here and I feel comfortable after I see some patterns. Like batsnacks, his townplay is like this. Slam also. It's hard to explain why, because it's more of a feeling than logical reads. I've townread you for the way you evaluated the present thing on sicklucker. I'm still reading you as town. I want you to get out of the tunnel you're currently in. On December 14 2014 04:09 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2014 04:02 rsoultin wrote:On December 14 2014 03:52 GlowingBear wrote:On December 14 2014 03:45 rsoultin wrote:On December 14 2014 03:37 GlowingBear wrote:
Make a case on me. You're calling me scum multiple times for things that doesn't make me scum.
I want you to say mafias motivation for things you call me scum for. I've made my case on you multiple times GB. Unlike you I am not under scrutiny. I've explained what I think and why I think it. As for the gut feel that is contributing to it...what have you really done for town? Falsely brought up mass-claiming like that would be helpful. A bunch of jokes. A bunch of partial reads you have to be prodded on. Many promises you fail to carry out. (Your HF case is still unfinished.) Ritoky you were pressuring a little until others started...which, if you're town, why are you pressuring the guy you think is town (cause you're not going to send anything to mafia as town) then flip right back onto HF as soon as others start pressuring Ritoky? There's something wrong about how you're playing, and the scenario with both you and Ritoky as scum works. It is ballsy like Xata said...but assuming that mafia would never play ballsy...lol. If this is the way town thinks, that's the perfect way for mafia to play. Either way its WIFOM as shit. You're so focused on this matter that you fail to properly evaluate what I've brought for holyflare. What do you think of the case? Of the arguments? Why do you think mafia would make a case on one of the strongest players in the game? Do you see ANY mafia motivation behind it? I thought ritoky was mafia. I reevaluated it after putting more thought on it, mostly when I've realised HF is sure to be scum. I'm saying people are town based on gut feelings and probability. I have experience with some players here and I feel comfortable after I see some patterns. Like batsnacks, his townplay is like this. Slam also. It's hard to explain why, because it's more of a feeling than logical reads. I've townread you for the way you evaluated the present thing on sicklucker. I'm still reading you as town. I want you to get out of the tunnel you're currently in. I've already responded to your case GB. Your town reads I'm not arguing with, in a general sense. Your points aren't very strong to me. Sorry. I did consider them. An entrance post and a different read on 27nb than vivax doesn't scream scum to me. I feel like you're mostly basing your HF read on the fact that he wasn't killed first night, and going from there. I'm not the only one with tunnel vision. Yet I am willing to back off you for now to pursue another possible scum, so...-shrugs- We could both be town firing away erroneously, but I still don't think so. I don't understand town giving someone they think is mafia a present, dude...you should want to give it to one of your strongest town reads. You yourself have made this point multiple times. Anyway, Trfel. What do you think of that push since we're probably not going to agree on this. Dude, I gave it to someone I thought was null at the time and that I can't properly read, so, if he was town, he would have a power and if he dies, it doesn't matter because it's less one in the game I can't read. I was going to change the target but I couldn't make it until deadline. That's why my vote is wasted. By the way, STOP VOTING TUBESOCK BECAUSE HE IS TOWN - Relentlessly tunnels HF for weak reasons, beginning with the simple observation that HF is still alive after N1. More curiously, the amazing "case"? All points he brought up beforehand. Amazing how long it took him to build it. Also note the weakness of this case. He cites 1) an entrance 2) responding differently to people town/null reading froggynoddy's entrance where it's clear that Vivax is calling his read null and 27nb's response is less clear 3)looking into wasted votes as if doing so automatically means that HF considers those voters scum, and someone town-aligned never would pay attention to the votes outside the train 4)a null-leaning town read on froggynoddy who HF never called scum during the game somehow being contradictory 5) HFs read on GB being contradictory because "spreading falsities" should apparently be in the same camp as doing something "outrageously wrong" and make GB a town read? Additionally we see what appears to be a clear attempt to try to warp Trfel's status as seer to suit GBs anti-HF train. I think this is strongest point so far. Kelsier was getting into some serious pressure, going after HF seems like an easy way to divert pressure before the wagon starts rolling. Implies HF is town though (which I'm not saying is not possible. + Show Spoiler +On December 12 2014 08:07 GlowingBear wrote:
ALERT!!! ALERT!!!
HF ISN'T DEAD NIGHT1 On December 12 2014 10:16 GlowingBear wrote:
I'm impressed you're not questioning Ritoky for claiming being GIVAN PREZANT, HF.
What do you think of it? On December 12 2014 10:48 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2014 05:47 ritoky wrote:
to whomever gave me this present, gonna open it. yolo, wish me luck. Show nested quote +On December 12 2014 08:40 Holyflare wrote:
I'm incredibly disappointed with the vigi if we do because he shot absolutely nobody that was a good shot. Not one of ff, ritoky etc died even though like 4 vets called them mafia -.-
Not sure what i think of the present opening tbh. It would have been great to give them to all the scummy people and forced them to open them/use them to our will :/
2 biggest proponents of a ff lynch also died which is cool, especially as lm was in the shadows while doing it so didn't look like a high priority kill Just check timestamps. You were here before. You know about the presents. You didn't push ritoky. You're not pushing him now. Your excuse of just coming to the thread isn't valid. On December 12 2014 10:49 GlowingBear wrote:
Oops you're pushing him now.
Gonna sleep and see the outcome of it tomorrow. On December 12 2014 21:24 GlowingBear wrote:
Slam is town.
Holyflare is mafia.
Ritoky's reason could be legit. I admit I tunnelled a bit after the present thing. I can, although with some reluctance, see his actions coming from a town perspective. More from a mafia perspective, but... I'll have to reevaluate his play in this game.
I want to lynch Holyflare today. On December 12 2014 22:02 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2014 21:42 rsoultin wrote:On December 12 2014 21:24 GlowingBear wrote:
Slam is town.
Holyflare is mafia.
Ritoky's reason could be legit. I admit I tunnelled a bit after the present thing. I can, although with some reluctance, see his actions coming from a town perspective. More from a mafia perspective, but... I'll have to reevaluate his play in this game.
I want to lynch Holyflare today. Why HF? And no, don't think so. Ritoky claiming so we know how he died is BS. It would just increase the possibilities from mafia/vig to mafia/vig/present, making things more difficult to decipher, not easier. Claiming before use of the power renders the power useless because now mafia has a sure thing to disable/take out over a guess. It just doesn't make sense, and while town cannot make sense, his refusal to see that is ridiculous. Yeah, that's a point. I agree with you. The problem is: HF is giving me scum vibes and although I know he busses a lot, I find hard to believe that they would both make a case against each other. On December 12 2014 22:10 GlowingBear wrote:
I want to read more of the thread before making a case on HF, but a lot of his reasoning is off. The lack of push on ritoky's present claim, the multiple scumreads of wagons outside the 27nb wagon and the 27nb mislynch is all playing against him.
His entrance in this game is awful, he picking on bunnies for being contradictory when picking up on frogs awful entrance but not picking on Vivax post on frog... This kind of double standards worries me. On December 13 2014 05:28 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2014 05:10 sicklucker wrote:
Actually whoever started with the third present should claim immediately. Just dont say who you gave it too. I can get alot of info off this. Lol what kind of info? Lololol Ok, listen: The only important point regarding presents is that ritoky claimed he got one, which is more detrimental than helpful, because, in case he don't die night1, he dies/get roleblocked night2, which is awful for town. But if you think of it again, there is no motive for him to claim that he is opening the present as mafia. I just used my brain a little more and got to this conclusion. Which means that talking about presents is only helpful when considering mass claiming. We should drop this discussion right now. HF doesn't look like he is pushin town agenda, but his own self agenda. This looks much more like mafia holyflare. He points out things that aren't really mafiaish and doesn't seem to try to further identify people's alignment. His pushes aren't for solving the game. They are mostly done just to push, just to make a lynch happen, maybe. His backtracking on froggy is weird because he kept an absolute stance regarding bunnies, who I just say sounded more null than anything, and froggy is leaning scum. HF once came to the thread and said that we should look for people outside the NB wagon, which is ridiculous. He wasn't talking about people who WASTED their votes. He was talking about people outside the main wagon. He also said me and ritoky looked the worst. You can see he is doing a timid push on ritoky, but it really doesn't sound like he is trying to figure out his alignment. Weirdly enough, the present claim from ritoky remained unquestioned by HF. MOREOVER, he did not make ANY attempt to figure out my alignment when he said I looked bad at that time. He is scum. On December 13 2014 06:15 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2014 06:04 Half the Sky wrote:On December 11 2014 13:08 Holyflare wrote:
kush, gb, froggy, oats, damd, ritoky, lonemeow, kelsiersc, ls, slam, obi, vivax, fecal, rsoul, hts
gonna check out all of those filters at some point to see their views on bunnies and why they weren't on her/what they were doing, kinda bad to still be on xata after he kinda adequately explained every accusation against him tbh and those rogue 1 and 2 voters that are on targets that were barely ever pushed at all (gb, froggy, hts) look terrible
Is this it? Yes. And I've just realised he talked about froggy looking bad, but he townreads him out of nothing later, when I ask him about Vivax and froggy.That's it guys. HF is scum. I'm voting noone else. On December 13 2014 07:09 GlowingBear wrote:
Just vote HF. He will flip scum.
I've just got home and I'm tired. Don't force me into making a full case on him. On December 13 2014 10:46 GlowingBear wrote: HOLYFLARE IS MAFIA! Part 1 EntranceShow nested quote +On December 09 2014 08:16 Holyflare wrote:
Here's how it's going to roll. This game has a cap on posts so if you start the game with usual joke crap and useless things like rng that you don't follow through with then I'm going to deem you irresponsible and not worthy of being listened to this game. I've rolled town, I'm going to save my posts instead of being usual and chatty and just come up with my usual list of who to lynch and who to never lynch so that when I get nk'd you can just follow it.
Get rekt mafia His entrance is bad. He says obvious things like saving posts because of post cap (which is a big cap, by the way, you can waste some posts). He then says he will ignore people that wastes posts. The problem is: he calls Templar out for the RNG thing but does not take any stance regarding it. He is also okay to ignore a thing that in a game with post cap could be considered a scum trait. Then he says the obvious thing about not wasting posts. This means (A) his entrance is a waste of post itself for not taking any stance and saying the obvious, (B) he is okay to ignore scum traits. Why this comes from a mafia: this is just a post to try looking contributive while being noncomittal and fluffy. This is also a pre-excuse to overlook any scummy people who are wasting their posts. Froggynoddy's entranceFroggynoddy's entrance is bad. It is. Show nested quote +On December 09 2014 08:20 froggynoddy wrote:
Gogogo.
RNG sounds pretty silly. Though at least it would create some content and stop people from lurking.
On the subject of lurking. having not played in a while... when I did play, town usually spent Day 1 arguing on whether to lynch lurkers, I assume this is still the case. I have to go to bed now (work in the morning) but pre-empting this topic lets just cut to the chase and all agree nicely that policy lynching is stupid, however in the absence of a decent slip to go on, lurkers are the best of bad lynch options.
+ Show Spoiler [If you have no idea why his entrance i…] +
This entrance is bad because mafia tends to have a hard time to introduce themselves into the game. They will try to sound serious, to sound committal, so they look like they're town. Under this perspective:
"Gogogo" is completely forced.
Lynching lurkers wasn't being a trend in the topic but he says that policy lynchings are stupid and we shouldn't discuss it. The thread wasn't discussing. So, unnecessary to bring this up. By saying that we shouldn't discuss it, he starts a discussion towards it. But that's not the only problem. In the end of his sentence he ASSUMES it is ok to go against lurkers LOLOLOLOL.
Why this comes from mafia? As I've already said, mafia will try to look contributive, so this is just him trying look townie by saying something very easy to say as mafia. Worse, he then contradicts himself saying that it is okay to lynch lurkers under the lack of good target, which makes his policy-talking shit a waste of post. It is also a pre-excuse if he chooses to lynch lurkers later in the day, so he won't take responsibility for it
Holyflare picks on it in a timid way: + Show Spoiler +On December 09 2014 08:23 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2014 08:20 froggynoddy wrote:
Gogogo.
RNG sounds pretty silly. Though at least it would create some content and stop people from lurking.
On the subject of lurking. having not played in a while... when I did play, town usually spent Day 1 arguing on whether to lynch lurkers, I assume this is still the case. I have to go to bed now (work in the morning) but pre-empting this topic lets just cut to the chase and all agree nicely that policy lynching is stupid, however in the absence of a decent slip to go on, lurkers are the best of bad lynch options.
So what you're saying is policy lynches are terrible but if it all goes sour you want to policy lynch?? Bunnies and Vivax, however, have different opinions: + Show Spoiler +On December 09 2014 08:32 27ninjabunnies wrote:
@ Slam
@ Damdred
Didn't HF basically do just the same thing? Except more of he came into the thread with "Omgerd we have cap posts. Im town, follow me later" and then leaves.
And yet, Damdred, you have him as town for basically a shit post?
While I agree, people talking about policy lynching and lurkers seem off, he seems just an easy target for people to scum read because of that. On December 09 2014 08:35 Vivax wrote:
What froggy said is simple common sense but also something that never matters cause at the end of the day it's mostly some scummy looking person getting lynched.
I don't see it as scummy, just as something useless to talk about which isn't scummy at this stage of the game.
The biggest accusation you could make is that he's so serious in a setting where people are kinda joking, but that's not enough to go with in my book. It's more like he's annoyed that people are discussing policies when in past games it always led to that statement of his making the most sense.
Null for me. Notice that the basis of their argument is similar: it's a very easy target for scum. Then Holyflare comes with this very opportunistic post: Show nested quote +On December 09 2014 08:37 Holyflare wrote:On December 09 2014 08:32 27ninjabunnies wrote:
@ Slam
@ Damdred
Didn't HF basically do just the same thing? Except more of he came into the thread with "Omgerd we have cap posts. Im town, follow me later" and then leaves.
And yet, Damdred, you have him as town for basically a shit post?
While I agree, people talking about policy lynching and lurkers seem off, he seems just an easy target for people to scum read because of that. I'm still here and haven't made an excuse about leaving? I'm not sure I understand what you're saying in bold at all though. It's one thing to talk about policy but this is showing that first and foremost you did not read his post because: A) he wrote about not policy lynching lirkers because it's bad And B) he wrote about agreeing to policy lynch lurkers And secondly you are defending a person that "is an easy target to be scum read" when that person has done genuinely scummy things and you are brushing it off
##vote 27ninjabunnies
Enjoy your date Why this comes from a mafiaSee, why does Holyflare doesn't attack Vivax for using the same argument? Why does he completely ignore Vivax and goes shit aggressive against bunnies? Why doesn't he even do that against froggy, the contradictory one? Because bunnies will turn into an easy lynch and the others may be (I SAID MAY BE) his scum partners. Holyflare even ended lynching bunnies. Then says that people outside the NB wagon are scummy, including froggy. But he makes NO ATTEMPT to discover his alignment. He is just pushing his own agenda, without even considering solving the game. He just says someone is scum and pushes it. Putting it in a simpler way: he says what town agenda is (looking to the wasted votes), but goes against his own agenda (pushing ritoky in a timid way) This is the end of part 1. Part 2 will be tomorrow, because I'm going to a party. On December 14 2014 05:49 GlowingBear wrote:PART 2Odd final count analysis and lack of push on town agendaShow nested quote +On December 11 2014 13:08 Holyflare wrote:On December 11 2014 12:41 ritoky wrote:On December 11 2014 12:33 Holyflare wrote:
you're literally saying right here in the thread that the fact that I updated my read with my own tidbits + what other people had said makes me mafia? ahahahaha how many posts do you think bunnies made in that time frame? 1000? how many posts do I have to spend in a post limited game explaining things that other people are saying + adding my own things on? also the stuff that I said kita mentioned I fleshed out more in that post so it was actually my original thoughts and not just the bolded which you seem to imply it is
also, her points on kelsier were crap, the fact that I'm starting to scum read him now is totally irrelevant to her case being crap at all because it purely involves her flipping town and the stuff he said previous to her flipping
I find it hard to believe you could believe anything you are typing at all. she made 3 pages worth of posts, actually, so yes she made quite a few. I believe that's over 40 posts to respond to, so your exaggerating and laughing, but actually you're just lying and implying she didn't post a lot or a lot of substance. if she is your top scum read, 3 posts to push and develop your read seems shallow at best; especially with your standards. hell you devoted the same or more posts in the same time frame to reading vivax, kels, and xat; who you didn't push on at all. and i disagree that any of what you said regarding kita's stuff is original, it is all sheep. further as town you are one of the largest proponents of using your vote as a means of pressuring people into giving information, and you felt perfectly fine leaving it on a town. like you're just plain mafia. So you're saying that even though I spent 2-3 pages of filter PREVIOUSLY talking about bunnies all game the fact that I only spent a few long posts on her LATER when she had only posted like a page or less since I left with a lot of fluff in it makes me mafia? Why are you using the the latter half of the game to justify a read on me that should span the whole game? Have you even bothered to check the timestamps of when I've been around, I was sick all day and literally posted as much as I could on as many people I could in the time frame that I've been here (without trying to devolve into spammyness) I can't believe you'd ever make this read as town. Ever. It literally shows no progression of thought process at all and is a rough job of a case that is based on falsities twisted to fit your narrative. There is no way on this planet that a town ritoky would make this case. Just like the case you made on LS using exclusively meta reads. None of these things you are saying make anyone scum yet you're pushing them so vehemently that it's making YOU look scummy instead. I hope someone shoots this guy (ritoky) btw. On December 11 2014 12:43 LightningStrike wrote:
Okay Oatsmaster I got a Null read on him due to him not as much as he did on his town games but I guess the limit on the post number on each persons filter making try to conserve his posts a lot more than normal he did have some nice questions but he also made a weird call on Vivax being scum so idk what the true nature of his read on him is.
KSC I got him scum right now since most of his posts were more fluff than anything and he didn't ask good questions except once towards me but he also had a I told you so attitude on the lynch of 27ninja before the lynch which one of the scum members in the Campus Mafia game said about me when I was getting lynched kind of tells me he is scum at this point.
I dunno about oats anymore. My point on him was made kinda moot by xata so he's really just a ?. Don't like his wasted vote on vivax after saying he looked towny at all though. In fact there were a LOT of wasted votes. ritoky (1): 27ninjabunnies, kushm4sta, Fecalfeast27ninjabunnies (10): batsnacks, The_Templar, Fecalfeast, Holyflare, batsnacks, Half the Sky, sicklucker, kitaman27, liancourt, Vivax, Koshi, Alakaslam, Xatalos, Tubesock, Tubesock, Trfel Half the Sky (0): batsnacks, Xatalos, KoshiThe_Templar (2): GlowingBear, froggynoddy sicklucker (0): rsoultin, ObiWanShinobiObiWanShinobi (0): rsoultinVivax (1): Oatsmaster LightningStrike (0): ritoky, Alakaslamsicklucker (0): LightningStrikeliancourt (0): LightningStrikeGlowingBear (1): Damdred Fecalfeast (3): ritoky, LoneMeow, KelsierSC KelsierSC (3): The_Templar, 27ninjabunnies, LightningStrike, Alakaslam Xatalos (4): ObiWanShinobi, Vivax, Fecalfeast, rsoultin, Tubesockfroggynoddy (1): Half the Sky kush, gb, froggy, oats, damd, ritoky, lonemeow, kelsiersc, ls, slam, obi, vivax, fecal, rsoul, htsgonna check out all of those filters at some point to see their views on bunnies and why they weren't on her/what they were doing, kinda bad to still be on xata after he kinda adequately explained every accusation against him tbh and those rogue 1 and 2 voters that are on targets that were barely ever pushed at all (gb, froggy, hts) look terrible A good way to catch mafia is looking at who wasted their votes on the final votecount of a day. This looks like an attempt to do that. But, you see, he oddly points out EVERY other person outside the main wagon, which is NOT a reasonable thing, specially when we are talking about such strong player as Holyflare. Following his logic, me, frog and hts looks terrible. This is him stablishing the town agenda. In fact, our wasted votes looks terrible. Reminder: he didn't like froggynoddy's entrance either. But look at how inconsistent is his play: he stablishes town agenda, but pushes his own agenda (pushing ritoky). He does NOTHING to see these 3 people's alignment. He is NOT interested in these 3 people's alignment. He is just interested to look like an aggressive townie pushing ritoky, but he is actually not trying to solve the game. He is not trying to discover ritoky's alignment. He is just pushing for the sake of pushing someone. Why this comes from a mafia?: Mafia tends to look contributive but lacks the town intention for solving the game. He simply displays 3 names people should take a look at but does not go after those names. He is disinterested in solving the game, to discover people's alignment. That's not a townie. A townie would go against those 3 names he spoke of. He just posted this analysis because he wants to look contributive. Town read on froggynoddyWhen I noticed these patterns, I inquired him for reads on froggynoddy and Vivax. This is his response: Show nested quote +On December 12 2014 10:21 Holyflare wrote:On December 12 2014 10:08 GlowingBear wrote:
Holyflare
Your reads on froggynoddy and vivax, please. I have no idea how this is relevant in the slightest when I've made it pretty clear who i think mafia are. Either way, froggy is a kindaaaa towny/i dunno read. He writes quite long posts to say not much but I dunno how to explain that I don't want to lynch him other than saying his posts look innocent enough and to the point. He also wanted people to talk to him about his templar read that he's been pushing around the deadline which was cool and I kinda regret not talking to him more, he also said something around the bunnies lynch which i forget that made it seem like he was actually thinking about the game. I wouldn't say it's particularly difficult stuff to post as mafia but it seems pretty genuine to me. Vivax has been pushing people that I agree look scummy (- xatalos) but his reasons for doing it look like he's putting in the effort to find out inconsistencies. After a few games where we've been wrong on each other I think we've just resorted to ignoring the other and are just gonna base it on overall play. Well I am anyway. Not really bothered to elaborate further. You see, he was scumreading froggy noddy, said he looked terrible by his wasted vote, BUT CALLS HIM TOWN WHEN ASKED FOR A READ. This is someone who is NOT consistent with his reads. This is someone who gives fabricated reads and forgets them, or someone who doesn't want to scumread a possible partner. I know for a fact that Holyflare does this a lot. He scumreads a partner to further townread him. Remember: HE HAD NO ATTEMPT TO DISCOVER FROGGY'S ALIGNMENT. He started having this townread on him out of nothing, which is completely scummy. I'm sure you can understand mafia motivation behind it. Scumread on me This is hilarious. I want you to check these two posts regarding me, from the most recent to the oldest: Show nested quote +On December 13 2014 08:29 Holyflare wrote:
I can only assume someone pushing so much false information is mafia. Much like ritoky who even when presented with multiple pieces of evidence to show that his meta was wrong continued to push his scum read on me. Not to mention his initial contradictory stance on how he has a super solid meta read on me but was fooled last game even though he said that meta read existed then too. Glad to see absolutely nobody in this game is paying attention to that. Show nested quote +On December 10 2014 00:11 Holyflare wrote:
2 people haven't posted in this game at all yet, useful -.-
Oats, your post on vivax is wrong and your post refuting that wasn't in any english I could understand.
Ls looks not bad to me, dunno why people are hating on him giving all the meta when loads of other people do the same. Ritoky seems angry for some reason because of this??
Obi still being useless, just because he was useless last game (russian) as town doesn't stop him being able to be useless this game as mafia. It just means he's useless which increases the odds of him being mafia.
Kush.. Meh will resolve itself i think
Gb hasn't really done anything but hasn't done anything outrageously wrong like I'd expect him to as town but his picking on solely koshi and like nothing else is wearing thin and is pretty scummy
I dunno feel kinda iffy about hts after reading the things about kush feels a bit too flippant
New list oats, obi, (gb?) bunnies
Mehhhhbe/mehhhhbe not: hts, kush
HAHAHA
HE SAYS IT'S A TOWN TRAIT FOR ME FOR BEING OUTRAGEOUSLY WRONG, BUT WHEN HE THINKS I'M OUTRAGEOUSLY WRONG THE SCUMREADS ME.This is the most inconsistent thing I have ever seen. He didn't scumread me because I acted scummy. He scumread me because he felt I was getting close to him. He is trying to discredit me and to survive, and not to figure out my alignment. Town perspective would be evaluate my action and figure out my alignment for something he already knows about my gameplay. Mafia perspective is "I'm getting caught, I have to make this guy look bad" ##VOTE: HOLYFLARE RIGHT NOW!!!! On December 15 2014 09:53 GlowingBear wrote:
By the way, why would Santa try to lynch holyflare by having a "gut feeling"?
His check was obvious not on Kelsier.
Hm. On December 15 2014 10:10 GlowingBear wrote:
##Vote:Holyflare
I'll keep my vote on him until he claims.
OBI if you shot HF you're insane. -Calls for mass roleclaims multiple times, recants, then calls for mass roleclaims again. With possibly 2-3 town roles still out there, and no set number of anything, how does this benefit town, and why won't he stop harping about it?+ Show Spoiler +On December 12 2014 08:30 GlowingBear wrote:
I'm wondering if mass claiming day2 is a good idea. On December 12 2014 08:58 GlowingBear wrote:
Who was masoned with kita?
Time to claim. On December 13 2014 03:25 GlowingBear wrote:
You guys are out of your minds.
I had to come quickly to my work so I couldn't bring the points on holyflare.
By the way, mass claiming IS okay now, as a lot of vts died.
It will narrow our lynches A LOT On December 13 2014 03:52 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2014 03:30 Half the Sky wrote:
Bats, if you're going to make a case on anyone using meta, I would think reading filters would be required, otherwise your case is going nowhere.
GB: I don't understand the logic of mass claiming. Based on N1, we're sure they have Mass Murderer, likely the Branch Manager is out there too. Not sure about their RB or City Banker.
What good does it do for our key power roles (i.e. Santa) to claim? Is there something with the mechanics you're seeing I'm not? Why mafia roles are relevant? If people mass claim, mafia will have to counter claim in order to survive for long. This means that, at least, we will have to decide between 2 claims, when one is true and the other is false. Considering Scrooge is dead, we have 3 confirmed roles for town. There's obviously a Santa. That's 4 people we are not considering lynching today already. It's a lot. I don't care much for power roles. All we have to do to win the game is to lynch mafia, that's all. On December 14 2014 00:43 GlowingBear wrote:Ok, now that I'm sober (although extremely hangover), and before I continue with the case on Holyflare, I want to say a word about presents. Although talking about the power presents give is useless, there is an important thing about its mechanics that we should consider: Mafia is unlikely to give presents to town + Show Spoiler [Why?] + They have 66% chance of giving a important power to town. That said, if a mafia holds a present, he is most likely to give it to a partner and not opening it until they can see if the present town holds is the death one. Town, in the other hand, will give it to anyone day1 and the townie will most likely open it because they have a very good chance of opening a power present. This means: If damdred opened a present and flipped town, sicklucker is most likely town. If ritoky claims he's got a present and that he is opening it, he's most likely town, because mafia would hold it and give to another partner to see if that was the death present or not. There is no motive for mafia to say they will open it, since that, if they open the death present, they will flip mafia anyway, so ritoky's explanation actually looks fair. That's it guys. Btw, no mass claiming. It was a bad idea of mine. I've just realised mafia will have problems with so many possible powers against them. On December 14 2014 01:19 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2014 01:00 rsoultin wrote:On December 14 2014 00:43 GlowingBear wrote:Ok, now that I'm sober (although extremely hangover), and before I continue with the case on Holyflare, I want to say a word about presents. Although talking about the power presents give is useless, there is an important thing about its mechanics that we should consider: Mafia is unlikely to give presents to town + Show Spoiler [Why?] + They have 66% chance of giving a important power to town. That said, if a mafia holds a present, he is most likely to give it to a partner and not opening it until they can see if the present town holds is the death one. Town, in the other hand, will give it to anyone day1 and the townie will most likely open it because they have a very good chance of opening a power present. This means: If damdred opened a present and flipped town, sicklucker is most likely town. If ritoky claims he's got a present and that he is opening it, he's most likely town, because mafia would hold it and give to another partner to see if that was the death present or not. There is no motive for mafia to say they will open it, since that, if they open the death present, they will flip mafia anyway, so ritoky's explanation actually looks fair. That's it guys. Btw, no mass claiming. It was a bad idea of mine. I've just realised mafia will have problems with so many possible powers against them. Nice recant. Took you long enough. I'm not the first one to say no, that's stupid, just one of the first to scumread you for the mass role claim. You're still ignoring my comment that Mafia is fully capable of fake claiming the opening of a present (and what was Ritoky's main excuse, that it would be dumb to open a present as mafia if it could be the kill present?), claim that he had a KS, then follow through because mafia does have a KS. That said, I'm comfortable waiting to see if he dies tonight, if no one else who was scumreading him Day 1 feels inclined to do the same today because they think he's a stupid (or crafty) town. I'm not ignoring it, I'm considering probability. Mafia can do whatever they want to do. But it is likely that they do that? I don't believe so. He obviously received the present because I sent it to him. Unnecessary to claim it as mafia. Also, I know the setup was open on titanic v, but the thing is that a lot of vts died, the probability of we having a lot of power roles alive is high and if we all claim, we will be able to narrow people and discussion. We will narrow our lunch targets a lot. Anyway, it doesn't matter now because it is a better idea to not claim. Masons are confirmed to each other, aren't they? Because if they are, we will have another confirmed town without a power role. Do you understand why claiming masons is okay? On December 15 2014 10:42 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2014 10:37 rsoultin wrote:On December 15 2014 10:34 rsoultin wrote:
Or, and here is a really crazy thing.
We lynched KSC.
And that is why he didn't kill anyone.
You know...just a thought. EBWOP: Nevermind. You were talking about Night 1 there weren't you GB? It's possible he shot randomly into the crowd and happened to hit what he needed to, but yeah, it's probably more likely that someone else shot. I don't think that's how the mechanic works... Anyway, yes, I was talking about night1 It has been a long day and I'm not thinking properly now. Gonna put thoughts on things tomorrow. I gently ask for anyone who was roleblocked night1 and night2 to claim it. On December 16 2014 02:09 GlowingBear wrote:
I don't get why people aren't claiming. I don't fucking care about the shorty JK power. I care to know who is town and who is mafia because all we have to do is lynch them.
Why did the mason didn't claim yet?
I want to clear names from my head and go against scummy people. This is the most important thing. Yet here we are wasting our time instead of figuring out other people's alignment. - Presents unasked for defense/explanation for “gift-giving” being a purely town-motivated action, going out of his way to clear SL when SL was not being scumread/under fire. This one is simply a bit "why" for me. What with their duo, I can only think that a scum!GB has pocketed a town!SL and is trying to be read as town by association: Damdred(town)-SL-GB-ritoky??? Or, scum!GB is trying to protect scum!SL by giving him a WIFOM "confirmation". I agree with this entirely. I would add that saying something this obvious (I mean I may be terrible but even I got that when I read the set-up) Looks useful to town, but actually does not contribute much if anything+ Show Spoiler +On December 14 2014 00:43 GlowingBear wrote:Ok, now that I'm sober (although extremely hangover), and before I continue with the case on Holyflare, I want to say a word about presents. Although talking about the power presents give is useless, there is an important thing about its mechanics that we should consider: Mafia is unlikely to give presents to town + Show Spoiler [Why?] + They have 66% chance of giving a important power to town. That said, if a mafia holds a present, he is most likely to give it to a partner and not opening it until they can see if the present town holds is the death one. Town, in the other hand, will give it to anyone day1 and the townie will most likely open it because they have a very good chance of opening a power present. This means: If damdred opened a present and flipped town, sicklucker is most likely town. If ritoky claims he's got a present and that he is opening it, he's most likely town, because mafia would hold it and give to another partner to see if that was the death present or not. There is no motive for mafia to say they will open it, since that, if they open the death present, they will flip mafia anyway, so ritoky's explanation actually looks fair. That's it guys. Btw, no mass claiming. It was a bad idea of mine. I've just realised mafia will have problems with so many possible powers against them. On December 14 2014 03:46 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2014 03:42 Tubesock wrote:On December 14 2014 03:38 GlowingBear wrote:
Dude... You also use your part 2 to talk about presents when that implicates KILLING DAMDRED??? You are a scapegoat. Tube, sicklucker claims he sent damdred a present Damdred dies and flips town You can assume it was the death present Mafia is unlikely to give present to town day1
Therefore, SL is town - Throws a fit EoD2 when demands to vote HF and trust him fail, and piecemeal case is generally rejected. I included this mostly because people seemed to think this was a sign of being town. Unless bullying and yelling at people is a town trait, I don't really get it...Occasionally could be considered a joke, but this was completely over the top imo. I think this is irrelevant, he seems like a pretty belligerent poster which could be of either alignment, if anything I think its a little more likely that a towny player would display this kind of emotion (which could obviously also be faked = WIFOM) + Show Spoiler +On December 14 2014 04:57 GlowingBear wrote:
Obi, trust me. Vote for holyflare.
Trust me please. On December 14 2014 05:09 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2014 05:07 Alakaslam wrote:On December 14 2014 04:46 Tubesock wrote:
First, I don't expect anyone to really dig into what I saw until we lose a few more towns and have 0 mafia kills.
I do absolutely think I can be wrong. This is why I'm hoping and asking for help, if people don't see what I see and have asked many times, then it's not right. But, my reads have slightly changed. I'm replacing GB, in my published 4 (temp, kel, sick and GB) and my 5th changed and found my 6th. But before I say, I think I need people to try more to see from my eyes. When they do, they will understand more.
It's just like my interaction with Slam. He had no interest in me. I showed him I had something he wanted. Unfortunately, he (and the rest of you) thought I personally attacked him. I did not. I was seeing if we saw eye to eye. Now, I think he sees that I wasn't at all insulting him. Not one bit.
Specifically, aviation isn't like professional sports, the best pilots are not necessarily the best pilots. Amateurs and professionals are equal. We are all pilots. I think Slam would agree.
So, I need to figure out how to convey my thoughts on who I think are mafia. Unless I do that, then no matter what I say will be useless. Absolutely useless. Can vouch for this + Show Spoiler + except I think Dick Bong (unfortunate name on the Internet, pot smokers and references -_-) is the best- he equaled the Red Baron in a more advanced theatre of flight Tube sock I am two dozen. I was 3 when you joined AOPA. I am an idiot talk about the best thing all you like. GB WE GET FF NOT HF WHO IS TOO GOOD HEY BUT HE IS OBVIOUS MAFIA SLAM C'MON On December 14 2014 06:04 GlowingBear wrote:
I WILL LYNCH WHOEVER DOES NOT VOTES ON HOLYFLARE AFTER THE BEST CASE OF MY LIFE
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AND I'LL PM GAY PORN EVERYDAY TO YOU GUYS. EVERYDAY. On December 14 2014 06:06 GlowingBear wrote:
Seriously.
READ MY CASE.
VOTE HOLYFLARE OR POINT OUT WHY MY CASE IS WRONG. On December 14 2014 06:07 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2014 06:05 The_Templar wrote:On December 14 2014 06:04 GlowingBear wrote:
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AND I'LL PM GAY PORN EVERYDAY TO YOU GUYS. EVERYDAY. will switch if tubesock's tryhard defense continues to convince enough people to unvote him You will switch now. Mafia is deflecting the ongoing HF's lynch. It was the best opportunity for them to lynch HF but they started deflecting it to FF. You will switch NOW. On December 14 2014 06:20 GlowingBear wrote:
REALLY RITOKY?
I'VE MADE A STRONG CASE ON THE GUY WHO WAS PUSHING YOU AND TEMPLAR'S CASE IS GOOD? NO WORDS REGARDING MY CASE? On December 14 2014 06:25 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2014 06:22 ritoky wrote:On December 14 2014 06:20 GlowingBear wrote:
REALLY RITOKY?
I'VE MADE A STRONG CASE ON THE GUY WHO WAS PUSHING YOU AND TEMPLAR'S CASE IS GOOD? NO WORDS REGARDING MY CASE? i was 30 pages behind cuz of work, chillax; getting to it. also it was trfel, not templar; you should try reading it. it is pretty good. his case is just a little bit after mine, dude, lol. I read it but I'm too heated now. I'll getting out of the thread for a while. Please, all of you, read my case and give thoughts (and mostly, vote HF) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/472628-tl-mafia-lxix-carol-of-the-bells?page=121#2402 On December 14 2014 06:46 GlowingBear wrote:
Get back to HF, ff. - Doesn’t want vig to shoot top scum read and refuses to explain why until Day 3, claiming HF could have been town/vet when he hasn’t townread him the entire game since early Day 1. His vet story is particularly strange. Worried the vig might waste a bullet? Wouldn't that be a possibility regardless of who the vig shot? If GB thinks HF is scum, he should want him dead to confirm, and GB never admits to thinking HF isn't scum.+ Show Spoiler +On December 14 2014 10:34 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2014 10:27 ObiWanShinobi wrote:The most likely scenario we're dealing with is that there's scum on the Holyflare wagon. We hunt there first, and if Hf gets shot by either mafia or a vigilante and flips town, then we're in an awesome spot information-wise because we know exactly where some scum have hid, and it's likely there's more than one on his wagon. I just realized there's actually a scenario where Oats could be scum with Holyflare, but that would depend on the mafia team so absolved of thread influence that two mafia were the leading wagons and the whole team is made up of useless players with no thread pull. Just an fyi, Holyflare is anything but useless. It would be amazing if that were the case, but I don't think it is: out of the people who fit the bill based on their votes, LS is a claimed role as well, so it's unlikely. All of this is mostly speculation at this point. I need to do more legwork to get my analysis out before I most likely get shot. 1st paragraph won't happen :/ although I want HF lynched, I don't think he is a good vigi shot. 2nd paragraph: yeah, he isn't useless, but he is scummy. I'll debunk his defense soon. Although I'll say in advance that I may have misread something in his filter, since I couldn't find where he explicitly said froggy is scummy. All I've got was him calling his entrance out and saying froggy looks terrible (which, for me, is a way to say someone looks scummy), but I couldn't find where he explicitly said he was scum. Bummer. I believe it's possible that both wagons were mafia. Holyflare's vote was on FF. I simply don't like FFs wagon. Gonna check it again On December 14 2014 10:52 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2014 10:50 rsoultin wrote:On December 14 2014 10:48 GlowingBear wrote:On December 14 2014 10:44 liancourt wrote:On December 14 2014 10:34 GlowingBear wrote:On December 14 2014 10:27 ObiWanShinobi wrote:The most likely scenario we're dealing with is that there's scum on the Holyflare wagon. We hunt there first, and if Hf gets shot by either mafia or a vigilante and flips town, then we're in an awesome spot information-wise because we know exactly where some scum have hid, and it's likely there's more than one on his wagon. I just realized there's actually a scenario where Oats could be scum with Holyflare, but that would depend on the mafia team so absolved of thread influence that two mafia were the leading wagons and the whole team is made up of useless players with no thread pull. Just an fyi, Holyflare is anything but useless. It would be amazing if that were the case, but I don't think it is: out of the people who fit the bill based on their votes, LS is a claimed role as well, so it's unlikely. All of this is mostly speculation at this point. I need to do more legwork to get my analysis out before I most likely get shot. 1st paragraph won't happen :/ although I want HF lynched, I don't think he is a good vigi shot. 2nd paragraph: yeah, he isn't useless, but he is scummy. I'll debunk his defense soon. Although I'll say in advance that I may have misread something in his filter, since I couldn't find where he explicitly said froggy is scummy. All I've got was him calling his entrance out and saying froggy looks terrible (which, for me, is a way to say someone looks scummy), but I couldn't find where he explicitly said he was scum. Bummer. I believe it's possible that both wagons were mafia. Holyflare's vote was on FF. I simply don't like FFs wagon. Gonna check it again although I want HF lynched, I don't think he is a good vigi shot. what? HF needs to flip tonight or discussion won't progress tomorrow He isn't a good vigi shot. Period. Fail to see your reasoning here. If he's scum, dead is dead. If he's town, we waste a day trying to lynch him (or arguing about lynching him) tomorrow. No specific logic. Bad vigi shot. That's all. Let's move on to the next topic. On December 14 2014 11:00 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2014 10:54 rsoultin wrote:On December 14 2014 10:52 GlowingBear wrote:On December 14 2014 10:50 rsoultin wrote:On December 14 2014 10:48 GlowingBear wrote:On December 14 2014 10:44 liancourt wrote:On December 14 2014 10:34 GlowingBear wrote:On December 14 2014 10:27 ObiWanShinobi wrote:The most likely scenario we're dealing with is that there's scum on the Holyflare wagon. We hunt there first, and if Hf gets shot by either mafia or a vigilante and flips town, then we're in an awesome spot information-wise because we know exactly where some scum have hid, and it's likely there's more than one on his wagon. I just realized there's actually a scenario where Oats could be scum with Holyflare, but that would depend on the mafia team so absolved of thread influence that two mafia were the leading wagons and the whole team is made up of useless players with no thread pull. Just an fyi, Holyflare is anything but useless. It would be amazing if that were the case, but I don't think it is: out of the people who fit the bill based on their votes, LS is a claimed role as well, so it's unlikely. All of this is mostly speculation at this point. I need to do more legwork to get my analysis out before I most likely get shot. 1st paragraph won't happen :/ although I want HF lynched, I don't think he is a good vigi shot. 2nd paragraph: yeah, he isn't useless, but he is scummy. I'll debunk his defense soon. Although I'll say in advance that I may have misread something in his filter, since I couldn't find where he explicitly said froggy is scummy. All I've got was him calling his entrance out and saying froggy looks terrible (which, for me, is a way to say someone looks scummy), but I couldn't find where he explicitly said he was scum. Bummer. I believe it's possible that both wagons were mafia. Holyflare's vote was on FF. I simply don't like FFs wagon. Gonna check it again although I want HF lynched, I don't think he is a good vigi shot. what? HF needs to flip tonight or discussion won't progress tomorrow He isn't a good vigi shot. Period. Fail to see your reasoning here. If he's scum, dead is dead. If he's town, we waste a day trying to lynch him (or arguing about lynching him) tomorrow. No specific logic. Bad vigi shot. That's all. Let's move on to the next topic. Not acceptable. If you don't have a reason to say that, why are you saying it? I am trying to play ball with you here, GB...I'm not sold that you're not town or that HF isn't mafia, so can you at least work with me a little here? I can, but this is not a thing to be discussed at night. I can talk about any other topic you want On December 14 2014 11:23 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2014 11:06 rsoultin wrote:On December 14 2014 11:00 GlowingBear wrote:On December 14 2014 10:54 rsoultin wrote:On December 14 2014 10:52 GlowingBear wrote:On December 14 2014 10:50 rsoultin wrote:On December 14 2014 10:48 GlowingBear wrote:On December 14 2014 10:44 liancourt wrote:On December 14 2014 10:34 GlowingBear wrote:On December 14 2014 10:27 ObiWanShinobi wrote:The most likely scenario we're dealing with is that there's scum on the Holyflare wagon. We hunt there first, and if Hf gets shot by either mafia or a vigilante and flips town, then we're in an awesome spot information-wise because we know exactly where some scum have hid, and it's likely there's more than one on his wagon. I just realized there's actually a scenario where Oats could be scum with Holyflare, but that would depend on the mafia team so absolved of thread influence that two mafia were the leading wagons and the whole team is made up of useless players with no thread pull. Just an fyi, Holyflare is anything but useless. It would be amazing if that were the case, but I don't think it is: out of the people who fit the bill based on their votes, LS is a claimed role as well, so it's unlikely. All of this is mostly speculation at this point. I need to do more legwork to get my analysis out before I most likely get shot. 1st paragraph won't happen :/ although I want HF lynched, I don't think he is a good vigi shot. 2nd paragraph: yeah, he isn't useless, but he is scummy. I'll debunk his defense soon. Although I'll say in advance that I may have misread something in his filter, since I couldn't find where he explicitly said froggy is scummy. All I've got was him calling his entrance out and saying froggy looks terrible (which, for me, is a way to say someone looks scummy), but I couldn't find where he explicitly said he was scum. Bummer. I believe it's possible that both wagons were mafia. Holyflare's vote was on FF. I simply don't like FFs wagon. Gonna check it again although I want HF lynched, I don't think he is a good vigi shot. what? HF needs to flip tonight or discussion won't progress tomorrow He isn't a good vigi shot. Period. Fail to see your reasoning here. If he's scum, dead is dead. If he's town, we waste a day trying to lynch him (or arguing about lynching him) tomorrow. No specific logic. Bad vigi shot. That's all. Let's move on to the next topic. Not acceptable. If you don't have a reason to say that, why are you saying it? I am trying to play ball with you here, GB...I'm not sold that you're not town or that HF isn't mafia, so can you at least work with me a little here? I can, but this is not a thing to be discussed at night. I can talk about any other topic you want ...Unless you're trying to tell me that you're no longer certain of HF's alignment, it seems like you just don't want people to see him flip. And if you're no longer certain of HF's alignment, you should be able to "discuss" that just fine. I'm not an idiot to not understand what you're hinting at here, but the dodging is unnecessary when all you had to say was "I'm having doubts." Listen: we can discuss any topic regarding HF. There are a lot of reasons why I think HF isn't a good shot. I don't want to talk about any of them. But we can discuss HFs alignment, that's for sure. I still think he is scum. Odd thing: Kelsier didn't vote HF to keep alive. Thoughts on this? On December 15 2014 22:14 GlowingBear wrote:
Where did froggy agreed with my case?
I didn't want vigi to shoot HF because:
1) He could be town (I'm positive he is mafia but I don't have perfect information) and the way he claimed he was a role made me think he was the veteran. That's why I didn't want to talk, at night, exactly WHY HF wasn't a good shot
2) We have questions marks/scummy lurkers that are more worthy of a vigi shot: froggy, oats were the best shots. - Weird froggynoddy association flip comment, suggesting that if froggynoddy flips HF is scum. Does he really buy the froggynoddy nonsense he's spouting in his case? Or...could it be that this is a buss intended to add credence to his not-so-shiny case? as much as I want to agree with this I think this is just absolutely terrible logic rather than scummy play. + Show Spoiler +On December 15 2014 06:22 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2014 06:17 Alakaslam wrote:On December 15 2014 06:16 sicklucker wrote:
He claimed a blue role. Then he claimed sc No he didn't Stop talking about his shitty claim, we will now what will happen after the nightkills. I just ask you guys to be careful. In case I die, it means nothing regarding HFs alignment. Don't fall into WIFOM with the night kills. Anyway, I think I'll head the other way. If HF is mafia, I have this association that froggy noddy is mafia with him. So instead of going against HF tomorrow, I'll go against froggy noddy. By the way, if we have a vigi (which I don't think so), froggynoddy is an okay target. - Finally...yes, there is an end!...The weird reads on me. Note how he first links me to HFs alignment, then quickly backs down to a null read, then a town read. Suspiciously, this looks like a nod to general thread sentiment. no offence but my read on you has gone through all the colours of the rainbow so I meh + Show Spoiler +On December 15 2014 13:58 GlowingBear wrote:
Seriously, if HF flips mafia, I have contundent facts that rsoultin is hod partner.
Although I must say I'm impressed with his play here. On December 16 2014 02:28 GlowingBear wrote:
I was reading slam as town but I'm not sure anymore though.
I don't know what I make of rsoultin.
Templar fits the lurking mafia
Obi dying and not shooting is weird. It's hard to believe mafia nailed his alignment, roleblocked and killed him.
But it seems he was roleblocked which means ritoky could be saved by nigella. Which again makes no sense. Argh.
Froggynoddy is worthless in this game
So is oats, who townread Vivax day1 after a long quarrel but keeps his vote on his townread
HTS looks bad because it doesn't look like she is trying. Same to Tubesock.
It makes no sense, however, that Templar is scum with Tubesock.
His pushes on Tubesock are timid. I can see Templar very well being mafia. On December 16 2014 10:32 GlowingBear wrote:
By tunnelling you, I've made rsoultin mafia by association.
But looking at his filter and other dead people I feel like he is most likely town, although he has this weird things I'm pointing out. Please feel free to comment/ask questions. Like, why would mafia!ritoky successfully lynch mafia!ksc instead of HF? Well, if HF is town (and I have yet to see real evidence that he isn't), mafia!GB cannot afford to have HF flip. (No vig shot lololol) It really is that simple. If they can string this along to LYLO, they will. Ok so looks like you did the work for me. My thoughts in green. My questions to you are: - Why GB over Rit? - Does GB/Rit scumteam make more sense than HF/Rit scumteam? This is for the lynch after Rit in case you didn't see the votes.
I saw the votes. I thought that soul wanted to change vote? I must be tired,,,
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Sorry it was GB that wanted to change the vote. I think we vote GB tomorrow, it makes no sense not to lynch rit.
Can someone explain the HF+Rit logic?
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rsoultin's reads make 0 sense, he is potentially mafia
sl is trying to ride a dumb tell for town cred too hard, he is potentially mafia
there's a mafia between oats and froggy and maybe ls but less likely ls cuz roleclaim
hf is still probably mafia
if one of those fails the last one is ff
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On December 17 2014 05:56 ritoky wrote:
rsoultin's reads make 0 sense, he is potentially mafia
sl is trying to ride a dumb tell for town cred too hard, he is potentially mafia
there's a mafia between oats and froggy and maybe ls but less likely ls cuz roleclaim
hf is still probably mafia
if one of those fails the last one is ff
That is sickluckers meta man you gotta meta read him 
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On December 17 2014 05:57 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2014 05:56 ritoky wrote:
rsoultin's reads make 0 sense, he is potentially mafia
sl is trying to ride a dumb tell for town cred too hard, he is potentially mafia
there's a mafia between oats and froggy and maybe ls but less likely ls cuz roleclaim
hf is still probably mafia
if one of those fails the last one is ff That is sickluckers meta man you gotta meta read him
weren't you the one who said he wasn't playing his meta?
he is probz mafia with you defending him
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Count Dracula
Holyflare (3): liancourt, sicklucker, Alakaslam, GlowingBear, Tubesock, sicklucker,sicklucker
ritoky (10): sicklucker, rsoultin, LightningStrike, Holyflare, Fecalfeast, batsnacks, Xatalos, LightningStrike, The_Templar, Half the Sky, froggynoddy, sicklucker, rsoultin, Oatsmaster
Tubesock (0): The_Templar, LightningStrike
froggynoddy (0): sicklucker
GlowingBear (0): rsoultin, Xatalos
Oatsmaster (3): Vivax, Alakaslam, sicklucker
Currently ritoky is set to be lynched. 2h1m until deadline.
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On December 17 2014 05:56 ritoky wrote:
rsoultin's reads make 0 sense, he is potentially mafia
sl is trying to ride a dumb tell for town cred too hard, he is potentially mafia
there's a mafia between oats and froggy and maybe ls but less likely ls cuz roleclaim
hf is still probably mafia
if one of those fails the last one is ff
Since I know I'm town try again on the last one, bro
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On December 17 2014 05:58 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2014 05:57 LightningStrike wrote:On December 17 2014 05:56 ritoky wrote:
rsoultin's reads make 0 sense, he is potentially mafia
sl is trying to ride a dumb tell for town cred too hard, he is potentially mafia
there's a mafia between oats and froggy and maybe ls but less likely ls cuz roleclaim
hf is still probably mafia
if one of those fails the last one is ff That is sickluckers meta man you gotta meta read him weren't you the one who said he wasn't playing his meta? he is probz mafia with you defending him
Earlier yes I did say he wasn't playing his meta but I misread his tricks for Day 1 but he now acting his normal town meta
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Nah. Read my very next post. It says that rit is the lynch for today and we can figure out what to do Day 4 from there.
I also asked people if they wanted my case against GB now or to wait until night. To be honest, I'm not really for pushing two scumreads at once. That seems like a great way to cause confusion/divide up votes, especially if scum takes advantage.
Rit+HF is solely based on rit's vote Day 2. Solely. When you look at the interactions, though, rit fights with HF most of night 1, and never really townreads him. By contrast, GB stops laying into rit the moment others start, completely flips and goes after HF (ironically for not giving rit shit over his early claim when he was giving rit shit for other things). To me the rit+HF seems unlikely.
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OK but why does scum!ritoky keep his vote on scum!KSC and not move it to town!HF? Just to gain towncred instead of getting another mislynch? IDK about that
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I see. But if HF is town then it makes little sense for rit to go on Kelsier (I know I'm slow to the party...). Is rit+GB+HF scum team viable? Seems like super risky scum play to me.
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Sorry FF just ninja'd me.
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