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On December 17 2014 06:43 Tubesock wrote:
So, what happens if Ritoky flips town? Do you guys think HF is scum or town still? GB?
Well, if rit flips town the first thing I'll do is call him an idiot without any reservations whatsoever. GB has been acting scummy to me...rit's flip doesn't actually speak to my case on GB except maybe one point or so...
I know you think HF is scum, so I'm willing to hear out your case. It seemed like most of it was associative...????
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On December 17 2014 06:52 froggynoddy wrote:
Yeah, my reasoning on templar can pretty much be applied to slam. I just have no idea whether he is just insane...
I am insane actually, sup?
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I'm pretty sure slam is testing waters for an easy lurker lynch on me to divert the wagon. Possibly GB also as he has mentioned multiple times that he thinks I am scum.
That being said I have been pretty shit so I can understand why a townie would want to lynch me. You'd just think they'd do a better job of it if they were town i.e. not float a read and not actually vote/ try convinving people.
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On December 17 2014 06:52 froggynoddy wrote:
Yeah, my reasoning on templar can pretty much be applied to slam. I just have no idea whether he is just insane...
I know at least one other (Xatalos I recall) has said that Slam is difficult if not impossible to read at least the first few days. I had SMIV (my last game) with him and he was scum, but afked due to IRL and was replaced D2.
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On December 17 2014 06:46 froggynoddy wrote:
Hang on. Rit has to have opened the present as scum. If he passed it on and guessed then he had a 50% chance of being wrong right?? (that seems an incredibly risky play as scum does it not?).
No one had claimed getting the seer present at that time or am I being thick?
If he is scum and he opened the present then he would almost certainly have shot someone that night. 2 people died N2 so he was RB'ed by medic or he shot into a vet (or scum KP-ed into a vet).
I feel that the above scenario is the only one that makes sense if rit is scum. And I feel like there are too many iffs... why do I doubt like everything...
BTW does anyone have thoughts on this? I'm just starting to feel that rit might just be stupid rather than scum. I think its too late to do anything about it but thoughts?
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On December 17 2014 06:52 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2014 06:52 froggynoddy wrote:
Yeah, my reasoning on templar can pretty much be applied to slam. I just have no idea whether he is just insane... I am insane actually, sup?
I was talking about slam.
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Well he's played suboptimally regardless of his alignment. It's just too likely that he's scum to let him live pretty much.
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I guess. As mentioned previously I suppose Rit has to die as otherwise our D4 will be so screwed.
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On December 17 2014 06:58 froggynoddy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2014 06:46 froggynoddy wrote:
Hang on. Rit has to have opened the present as scum. If he passed it on and guessed then he had a 50% chance of being wrong right?? (that seems an incredibly risky play as scum does it not?).
No one had claimed getting the seer present at that time or am I being thick?
If he is scum and he opened the present then he would almost certainly have shot someone that night. 2 people died N2 so he was RB'ed by medic or he shot into a vet (or scum KP-ed into a vet).
I feel that the above scenario is the only one that makes sense if rit is scum. And I feel like there are too many iffs... why do I doubt like everything...
BTW does anyone have thoughts on this? I'm just starting to feel that rit might just be stupid rather than scum. I think its too late to do anything about it but thoughts?
Yeah, it's a gamble. But there are three things that make that gamble less risky:
1)Any of the dead players could have had a present
2)If they counterclaim they're in mafia crosshairs, so it's unlikely they would
3)There's no guarantee that present had been opened yet even if it's still in play
But you're right; it does run the chance of outing him to at least one player if he's mafia and false-claiming the present.
If you think there's a better lynch, feel free to suggest one.
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No forget my stupid doubts. I think a last minute switch would damage town regardless of Rit's alignment at this stage..
As for better lynches:
I don't like SL or GB but part of me thinks that's partially OMGUSING on my part cuz from what I have read they just say really dumb/unnecessarily aggresive stuff. GB scummier than SL as per your case and my thoughts on it but not enough to go off rit.
Templar, slam and perhaps Oats are scummy lurkers rather than simply AFK/ town lurkers for reasons previously disclosed.
Vivax I am a little worried about. Says some reasonable stuff but doesn't... actually ... do anything as far as I can tell.
So the answer in short is no. No better reads.
Squeaky bum time it is.
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On December 17 2014 05:58 marvellosity wrote:
Count Dracula
Holyflare (3): liancourt, sicklucker, Alakaslam, GlowingBear, Tubesock, sicklucker,sicklucker
ritoky (10): sicklucker, rsoultin, LightningStrike, Holyflare, Fecalfeast, batsnacks, Xatalos, LightningStrike, The_Templar, Half the Sky, froggynoddy, sicklucker, rsoultin, Oatsmaster
Tubesock (0): The_Templar, LightningStrike
froggynoddy (0): sicklucker
GlowingBear (0): rsoultin, Xatalos
Oatsmaster (3): Vivax, Alakaslam, sicklucker
Currently ritoky is set to be lynched. 2h1m until deadline.
can anyone not on ritoky, who hasn't already explained why, please explain why?
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On December 17 2014 06:52 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2014 06:43 Tubesock wrote:
So, what happens if Ritoky flips town? Do you guys think HF is scum or town still? GB? Well, if rit flips town the first thing I'll do is call him an idiot without any reservations whatsoever. GB has been acting scummy to me...rit's flip doesn't actually speak to my case on GB except maybe one point or so... I know you think HF is scum, so I'm willing to hear out your case. It seemed like most of it was associative...????
I first thought GB was mafia, but later he brought this big case on HF. I thought it would have been easier to just dismiss my case like the others did (assuming he responded partly due to my case and bringing him attention). I thought he was being set up as a scapegoat for a future mlynch. Then, he does very very scummy things (tunnels HF and then abandons it despite no real change in arguments, and then the drunk posts).
My mafia read on HF is strenghtened by how I read the EoD2 votes:
Given there were 2 wagons: I think it's more plausible that KelsierSC keeps his vote to protect Holyflare over the idea that KelsierSC is healthy enough to post, but not see that he could change his vote and lynch a Town!Holyflare and save himself. I have a very hard time believing the second situation.
On December 14 2014 08:01 marvellosity wrote:
The End of Counts
KelsierSC (8): Alakaslam, liancourt, Tubesock, Tubesock, rsoultin, Tubesock, Fecalfeast, Alakaslam, Trfel, Tubesock, Fecalfeast, Half the Sky, rsoultin, ritoky, Xatalos, ObiwanShinobi
liancourt (0): GlowingBear
GlowingBear (0): Tubesock, rsoultin, Holyflare
Tubesock (2): sicklucker, The_Templar, Fecalfeast, froggynoddy, Xatalos, Half the Sky, LightningStrike
ritoky (0): Holyflare, rsoultin, Lightning Strike, Half the Sky
froggynoddy (0): Oatsmaster
Half the Sky (0): batsnacks
Holyflare (7): GlowingBear, Fecalfeast, batsnacks, Tubesock, Alakaslam, Tubesock, Fecalfeast, The_Templar, sicklucker, Vivax, Fecalfeast, Trfel
Fecalfeast (2): Alakaslam, Vivax, Holyflare, KelsierSC, Vivax, Xatalos, Half the Sky, rsoultin, Alakaslam, Tubesock
Oatsmaster (0): Vivax
Vivax (1): Oatsmaster
sicklucker (0): Tubesock
Trfel (1): rsoultin
KelsierSC was lynched!
Afterwards, Holyflare seemed mad and frustrated because he's never been "mlynched" before, and that he was playing bad because if he wasn't he would have never been considered for lynch. Is this normal? Why wouldn't he feel relieved and happy town killed mafia? His never being mlynched streak stays intact, and we killed KelsierSC.
Then, when asked about Ritoky he says:
On December 16 2014 10:36 Holyflare wrote:
I've gone through fluctuations with ritoky the most tbh. Like scummy as fuck for the bs meta case to not really scummy for claiming the present but also scummy for claiming the present and then he actually saw your case on me was bad and hammered mafia so i thought he may have actually just been retarded town again and then he claimed mafia and replaced froggy who was the weakest of my reads.
All the other ones have good reasons to be scum and froggy was just afk and agreeing with your case.
Most of you seem pretty passionate about this Ritoky lynch. You all claim he claimed scum, but this Holyflare post is pretty noncommittal to me. Although I won't support the Ritoky lynch myself, it's because for me Ritoky is #8 on the scum list and only that high because he lied about using the present. I don't see how his action helped mafia, how would we not notice that it's very unlikely you'd get a non-kill notification especially when it would be obvious when your target survived? How does that advance mafia's agenda? I firmly believe Ritoky will flip town. I will strongly stand by this, I'd love to see HF or my other scum reads stand by any of their reads. Live or die by it, but they haven't. Yet, you people say I'm town because I seem to stand by my reads but all my reads are wrong? What the what?
I'd also like to hear how you guys think that Holyflare is a good lynch candidate for D2 and then all of a sudden he's town? What changed? How exactly did he redeem himself? He hasn't put in any cases, he's been arguing with people about presents or claims and then complaining because he has to post every 5 minutes while on his romantic vacation but then also says he's at his post limit? Later he admits the mods don't really care about the limit, but still. What's convinced you guys he's town since EoD2?
Sicklucker
Holyflare
The_Templar
kelsierSC
Froggynoddy
Lightningstrike
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On December 17 2014 07:17 froggynoddy wrote:
Templar, slam and perhaps Oats are scummy lurkers rather than simply AFK/ town lurkers for reasons previously disclosed.
I'm not a scummy lurker because, as scum, I will always:
1. Post as much as possible, at all hours of the day in order to make myself look active.
2. Post my 'thoughts' on every player, so that I'm not clearly ignoring someone.
3. Make ridiculously long posts to justify an opinion
4. Change my behavior as soon as someone mentions it is scummy.
Regarding Vivax, he seems to have a new list of scum reads every day and it's concerning me.
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Glow didn't want to vote rit or HF...-shrugs-
Tube has his conspiracy theories centered on HF (since most of mine center on GB, can't really say anything)
Lian thinks we won't learn anything until HF flips
Viva wants Oats cause he doesn't feel he's contributed at all, thinks rit is a plynch
SL has some KS present theory (lol)
Slam...who knows???
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On December 17 2014 07:32 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2014 06:52 rsoultin wrote:On December 17 2014 06:43 Tubesock wrote:
So, what happens if Ritoky flips town? Do you guys think HF is scum or town still? GB? Well, if rit flips town the first thing I'll do is call him an idiot without any reservations whatsoever. GB has been acting scummy to me...rit's flip doesn't actually speak to my case on GB except maybe one point or so... I know you think HF is scum, so I'm willing to hear out your case. It seemed like most of it was associative...???? I first thought GB was mafia, but later he brought this big case on HF. I thought it would have been easier to just dismiss my case like the others did (assuming he responded partly due to my case and bringing him attention). I thought he was being set up as a scapegoat for a future mlynch. Then, he does very very scummy things (tunnels HF and then abandons it despite no real change in arguments, and then the drunk posts). My mafia read on HF is strenghtened by how I read the EoD2 votes: Given there were 2 wagons: I think it's more plausible that KelsierSC keeps his vote to protect Holyflare over the idea that KelsierSC is healthy enough to post, but not see that he could change his vote and lynch a Town!Holyflare and save himself. I have a very hard time believing the second situation. Show nested quote +On December 14 2014 08:01 marvellosity wrote:
The End of Counts
KelsierSC (8): Alakaslam, liancourt, Tubesock, Tubesock, rsoultin, Tubesock, Fecalfeast, Alakaslam, Trfel, Tubesock, Fecalfeast, Half the Sky, rsoultin, ritoky, Xatalos, ObiwanShinobi
liancourt (0): GlowingBear
GlowingBear (0): Tubesock, rsoultin, Holyflare
Tubesock (2): sicklucker, The_Templar, Fecalfeast, froggynoddy, Xatalos, Half the Sky, LightningStrike
ritoky (0): Holyflare, rsoultin, Lightning Strike, Half the Sky
froggynoddy (0): Oatsmaster
Half the Sky (0): batsnacks
Holyflare (7): GlowingBear, Fecalfeast, batsnacks, Tubesock, Alakaslam, Tubesock, Fecalfeast, The_Templar, sicklucker, Vivax, Fecalfeast, Trfel
Fecalfeast (2): Alakaslam, Vivax, Holyflare, KelsierSC, Vivax, Xatalos, Half the Sky, rsoultin, Alakaslam, Tubesock
Oatsmaster (0): Vivax
Vivax (1): Oatsmaster
sicklucker (0): Tubesock
Trfel (1): rsoultin
KelsierSC was lynched!
Afterwards, Holyflare seemed mad and frustrated because he's never been "mlynched" before, and that he was playing bad because if he wasn't he would have never been considered for lynch. Is this normal? Why wouldn't he feel relieved and happy town killed mafia? His never being mlynched streak stays intact, and we killed KelsierSC. Then, when asked about Ritoky he says: Show nested quote +On December 16 2014 10:36 Holyflare wrote:
I've gone through fluctuations with ritoky the most tbh. Like scummy as fuck for the bs meta case to not really scummy for claiming the present but also scummy for claiming the present and then he actually saw your case on me was bad and hammered mafia so i thought he may have actually just been retarded town again and then he claimed mafia and replaced froggy who was the weakest of my reads.
All the other ones have good reasons to be scum and froggy was just afk and agreeing with your case. Most of you seem pretty passionate about this Ritoky lynch. You all claim he claimed scum, but this Holyflare post is pretty noncommittal to me. Although I won't support the Ritoky lynch myself, it's because for me Ritoky is #8 on the scum list and only that high because he lied about using the present. I don't see how his action helped mafia, how would we not notice that it's very unlikely you'd get a non-kill notification especially when it would be obvious when your target survived? How does that advance mafia's agenda? I firmly believe Ritoky will flip town. I will strongly stand by this, I'd love to see HF or my other scum reads stand by any of their reads. Live or die by it, but they haven't. Yet, you people say I'm town because I seem to stand by my reads but all my reads are wrong? What the what? I'd also like to hear how you guys think that Holyflare is a good lynch candidate for D2 and then all of a sudden he's town? What changed? How exactly did he redeem himself? He hasn't put in any cases, he's been arguing with people about presents or claims and then complaining because he has to post every 5 minutes while on his romantic vacation but then also says he's at his post limit? Later he admits the mods don't really care about the limit, but still. What's convinced you guys he's town since EoD2? Sicklucker
Holyflare
The_Templar
kelsierSC
Froggynoddy
Lightningstrike
It's less convinced he's town and more that I haven't seen anything to suggest he's playing scummy. (Also wasn't scumreading him EoD2).
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On December 17 2014 07:28 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2014 05:58 marvellosity wrote:
Count Dracula
Holyflare (3): liancourt, sicklucker, Alakaslam, GlowingBear, Tubesock, sicklucker,sicklucker
ritoky (10): sicklucker, rsoultin, LightningStrike, Holyflare, Fecalfeast, batsnacks, Xatalos, LightningStrike, The_Templar, Half the Sky, froggynoddy, sicklucker, rsoultin, Oatsmaster
Tubesock (0): The_Templar, LightningStrike
froggynoddy (0): sicklucker
GlowingBear (0): rsoultin, Xatalos
Oatsmaster (3): Vivax, Alakaslam, sicklucker
Currently ritoky is set to be lynched. 2h1m until deadline.
can anyone not on ritoky, who hasn't already explained why, please explain why?
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Also for the record, tubesock, I was sheeping GB so hard because I found a bear mask the day before and wanted a reason to use it.
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I just believe that if he is playing well, you're not going to see any real scummy play. I would think as a mafia team, you'd need some players that are good at deflecting attention from their buddies, some who lurk about and go unnoticed, and someone who can steer town around to kill more town. That guy isn't going to act overly scummy.
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Fecal, I do think you're acting scummy, although I don't think it furthers mafia agenda as much as my suspects do.
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btw usually when people sheep me really bad stuff happens...
just saying
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