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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
December 16 2014 16:43 GMT
#3641
VisCount marv

Holyflare (4): liancourt, sicklucker, Alakaslam, GlowingBear, Tubesock, sicklucker, sicklucker
ritoky (10): sicklucker, rsoultin, LightningStrike, Holyflare, Fecalfeast, batsnacks, Xatalos, LightningStrike, The_Templar, Half the Sky, froggynoddy, sicklucker, rsoultin, Oatsmaster
Tubesock (0): The_Templar, LightningStrike
froggynoddy (0): sicklucker
GlowingBear (0): rsoultin, Xatalos
Oatsmaster (2): Vivax, Alakaslam

Currently ritoky is set to be lynched. 6h17m until deadline.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 16 2014 16:43 GMT
#3642
On December 17 2014 01:40 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2014 01:30 Holyflare wrote:
I thought it was already proven obi shot lonemeow? Lonemeow was sick towny and obi said lonemeow was mafia before he shot him


If you knew it, and you saw the nightkill discussion, and didn't reveal it after his death, and you're town, I don't know what to say.


Someone else already said ir??
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
December 16 2014 16:44 GMT
#3643
Gb no one believes your shitty case give your analysis before I go to sleep
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 16 2014 17:18 GMT
#3644
On December 15 2014 08:10 Vivax wrote:
Scum is pro at sniping roles it seems.
Speaking of that, I'm the ghost of christmas yet to come, and if rsoultin suggests there can be two of them, I call insanity.

Show nested quote +
On December 12 2014 07:36 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I've decided that LoneMeow is mafia.

With the caveat that he might not be.


Show nested quote +
On December 12 2014 07:39 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
(But seriously, he's like 100% mafia and should die super hard.)


Also looks like our pro vig might have shot the mason.


It's right here. You should read the whole game before qqing that you don't have all this info. Especially not doing this work after a vig flipped.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 16 2014 17:18 GMT
#3645
Anyway bbl
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
December 16 2014 17:24 GMT
#3646
Sicklucker why you voting for Oats? Just curious because Ritoky needs to get lynched today.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
December 16 2014 17:58 GMT
#3647
...people not explaining their votes or reads...gb still on hf with two of his now!scumreads instead of his other scumread...lots of weirdness going on today
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
December 16 2014 18:03 GMT
#3648
On December 17 2014 02:24 LightningStrike wrote:
Sicklucker why you voting for Oats? Just curious because Ritoky needs to get lynched today.


Lightning, I think this is your answer.

On December 16 2014 15:04 sicklucker wrote:
ill vote oats convince others im out of posts hes obv mafia. Ritoky has no extra kp oats might.


The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
December 16 2014 18:30 GMT
#3649
Only if you consider hes obv mafia as a real answer. i have yet to see a case. hes mafia because hes mafia and im town because im town are very ludicrous claims. Why? Any statement like that should be backed up with a why, and claiming to be town at all is just funny. every plauer in this game will do that regardless of actual alignment.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
December 16 2014 18:46 GMT
#3650
Don't get me wrong, I don't think it's a valid answer at all, especially since it's yet another point on night actions which tend to be WIFOM.
As others have pointed out, he has been discussing that stuff loads this game.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 16 2014 19:00 GMT
#3651
On December 17 2014 03:30 rsoultin wrote:
Only if you consider hes obv mafia as a real answer. i have yet to see a case. hes mafia because hes mafia and im town because im town are very ludicrous claims. Why? Any statement like that should be backed up with a why, and claiming to be town at all is just funny. every plauer in this game will do that regardless of actual alignment.


I've made a case on oats being mafia??
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
December 16 2014 19:39 GMT
#3652
How many people are scum reading ritoky but not HF?

If this is true for you pls explain why you are scum reading ritoky.

@ritoky please walk me through from the beginning exactly what happened with you claiming and how much of what youve said is true. Start from when you first received the present, if you even did receive a present.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 16 2014 19:42 GMT
#3653
Me duh. Lynching kelsier enables them to win with 2 easy mislynches while getting 100% town credit on a mafia lynch.
froggynoddy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom452 Posts
December 16 2014 19:51 GMT
#3654
On December 16 2014 09:57 Tubesock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2014 09:54 The_Templar wrote:
On December 16 2014 09:51 Tubesock wrote:
On December 16 2014 09:36 The_Templar wrote:
On December 16 2014 09:35 Tubesock wrote:
On December 16 2014 09:33 Holyflare wrote:
On December 16 2014 09:30 Tubesock wrote:
On December 16 2014 09:27 Holyflare wrote:
On December 16 2014 09:25 Tubesock wrote:
On December 16 2014 09:12 Holyflare wrote:
[quote]

Absolutely ridiculous assumptions all game about mass murderers/death presents /nk's /alignments yes


So, why is your vote on Ritoky for 1 scum action while Sicklucker has only done scummy or bad towny things for DAYS?

Why are we allowing that? How about we either wagon HF or Sick, if they turn town then wagon Ritoky or me tomorrow?


This is where the crux of your argument falls apart.


Not really. I've made it pretty clear that Sick is playing his role perfectly. For some reason most all of you think it's just him playing bad. He's not playing bad. I'm saying lynch him as even if he is town he isn't helping town. Lynch him. But only after you HF.


His reasoning is so terrible that i find it hard to believe that someone so intelligent and playing so "perfectly" would ever make them. It's likely he's just bad at thinking and town or bad at thinking and mafia. None of what you have said picks them apart. Only soul has just brought up something valid about sl's past game now.


So, you're saying he is too scummy to be scum?

Did you actually read the post you quoted?


Yes. If you're going to nitpick, then I guess I should have asked Holyflare "So, you're saying he is playing too badly to be mafia?"

He said in that post that it's likely that he's either bad at thinking and town or bad at thinking and mafia, meaning it's likely he could be either town or mafia. So no, he didn't say that.


In either case, Sick isn't helping town win, he's only adding confusion. So, to me whether he flips or not, he's helping mafia. Lynch him. But after HF.


We lynch mafia. Not anti-town, especially day 3+.
'better still, a satisfied man'
froggynoddy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom452 Posts
December 16 2014 19:56 GMT
#3655
On December 16 2014 10:40 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2014 10:36 Holyflare wrote:
I've gone through fluctuations with ritoky the most tbh. Like scummy as fuck for the bs meta case to not really scummy for claiming the present but also scummy for claiming the present and then he actually saw your case on me was bad and hammered mafia so i thought he may have actually just been retarded town again and then he claimed mafia and replaced froggy who was the weakest of my reads.

All the other ones have good reasons to be scum and froggy was just afk and agreeing with your case.


My problem here is that his entrance was bad and he didn't step up after. He admits that when we don't have a good read it is okay to lynch lurkers. Then, a huge wagon was on bunnies, so: a) he either believes bunnies is mafia or b) has no idea and tries to lynch a lurker.

I don't see him doing any of these.


I didn't try an lynch bunnies. I said that she looked bad early day 1 but thought Templar was scummier. My filter is pretty small I'm pretty sure you can read it right... I am willing to concede that my entrance was bad (though I still don't understand exactly why, apart from the obvious effect it had on half the players), I don't think it makes me scummy though.
'better still, a satisfied man'
froggynoddy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom452 Posts
December 16 2014 20:01 GMT
#3656
On December 16 2014 10:50 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2014 22:50 froggynoddy wrote:
[Am reading through the thread and responding to what I see - hence disjointed structure]

I don't like the ritocky vote. When the NB wagon was going he was the only one to really try and pressure two other players. This feels town to me (as NB flipped town herself). Declaring he was opening the present is stupid, not scummy (as far as I understand the mechanic of preseent opening.

--------------------------------------------

On December 12 2014 08:58 GlowingBear wrote:
Who was masoned with kita?

Time to claim.


This has already been answered in the thread. I don't like that you are asking this straight up. I personally think its way too early to role claim. We need to lynch properly and then consider day 3.

--------------------------------------------

The templar is definitely scum. All his posts so far have been sensible yet have given nothing of value. He has not pushed or. Oats would also be a good lynch but would prefer templar.

--------------------------------------------

On December 12 2014 11:05 sicklucker wrote:
On December 12 2014 10:37 Tubesock wrote:
On December 12 2014 09:53 Alakaslam wrote:


##kelsierSC

Yes


YES.


He is of the 5.



Holy slip batman!

##Vote: Tubesock









Like, this thing here. He says Templar is definetely mafia but bad up voting Tubesock.

I can't understand town mindset behind this


You are just being stupid/blind now. Read the top disclaimer (bolded for your convenience), I am going through the thread with my reactions to what I think is important. Templar is my strongest read until I see the scumslip.

I want to look into the possibility of a Rit/GB scum team (though he may just be bad). Will try and do this but work has put up its filters again.
'better still, a satisfied man'
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
December 16 2014 20:20 GMT
#3657
If ritoky was town, he should have at least tried to convince us of that today. Before that, he should have revealed everything when the day began. Not after being caught lying... He needs to hang now.

I'll need to read for my final exam tomorrow but I'll probably check the thread a bit closer to deadline.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
December 16 2014 20:21 GMT
#3658
On December 17 2014 04:00 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2014 03:30 rsoultin wrote:
Only if you consider hes obv mafia as a real answer. i have yet to see a case. hes mafia because hes mafia and im town because im town are very ludicrous claims. Why? Any statement like that should be backed up with a why, and claiming to be town at all is just funny. every plauer in this game will do that regardless of actual alignment.


I've made a case on oats being mafia??


Yes. But you're not voting him over ritoky, and you weren't the one I was asking. SL needs to back up what he's doing. (And last I checked, he hadn't switched his vote to Oats either, just said we should lynch him.) This was the problem that I had with Xata (until he explained that he had three scumreads rating about equal) on Day 1. It's not enough to just call someone scum. You have to say why and also why they're the best lynch over other scumreads...or if you're not reading another as scum, why.

Vivax says ritoky is a policy lynch (disagree) and his vote on KSC absolves him (lol). If I weren't already reading ritoky as scum for his earlier play, lying about things may not be enough to lynch him, but he's done questionable things throughout the game, to include claiming something that he shouldn't have, GB (my main scum read) reading him as scum then turning on a dime for no better reason than 'my gut tells me so-and-so and they can't iboth be mafia', a random read on slam based on meta on a game slam was afk in, and those are just the things I've brought up.

Others have brought up different issues with him, like attacking LS for weak reasons Day 1 (kita) while saying tube was weird but new so okay (when they're both new???), or laying into HF because he wasn't angry enough Night 1 after the lead that HF was pushing flipped town (lololol what is that, especially when his main issue w/ LS was baseless meta-reads???). Then, even though GB just decided that yeah, ritoky is scum, and ritoky claims shooting me last night (who knows? I don't get notified if ppl try to shoot me and fail) because I am clearly the most scummy/plynch worthy player in the game to choose to lie about trying to shoot GB jumps on board trying to grill me about minor details that are easily explained.

Maybe 15 minutes after I said I had a case on GB that I just needed to get the quotes for??? That doesn't look like a delaying tactic at all? What point is ritoky even making, if he claims now that he never shot at me to begin with? If he was reserving his bullet it follows that he didn't feel strongly enough about anyone to shoot them. His case is just so full of holes. Not to mention this non-committal thing, lol. Yeah, I'm often accused of being passive about my scumreads xP <- for those who don't know me, that was sarcasm

Also, just as a sidenote...apparently between the time that I started writing this post and I finished it, SL changes his vote to Oats (lololol) without giving any reasoning in the thread. Still.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
December 16 2014 20:24 GMT
#3659
On December 17 2014 04:39 batsnacks wrote:
How many people are scum reading ritoky but not HF?

If this is true for you pls explain why you are scum reading ritoky.

@ritoky please walk me through from the beginning exactly what happened with you claiming and how much of what youve said is true. Start from when you first received the present, if you even did receive a present.


He continuously lied and backtracked today about his plays. He also disappeared after that without really doing anything convincing for him to be town.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
December 16 2014 20:35 GMT
#3660
On December 17 2014 03:03 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2014 02:24 LightningStrike wrote:
Sicklucker why you voting for Oats? Just curious because Ritoky needs to get lynched today.


Lightning, I think this is your answer.

Show nested quote +
On December 16 2014 15:04 sicklucker wrote:
ill vote oats convince others im out of posts hes obv mafia. Ritoky has no extra kp oats might.



Wow that is pretty much baseless reason to vote for Oats I mean I found better reasons to lynch Oats but he not a high priority on my lynch list.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
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