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On June 05 2014 03:02 eScaper-tsunami wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2014 02:54 TotalBiscuit wrote:On June 05 2014 02:53 m0ck wrote:On June 05 2014 02:49 Darkhorse wrote:On June 05 2014 02:45 shid0x wrote:
Wouldn't a real soft region block be 1000 dollars for players on the american continent and 500 dollars for asians ?
Blizzard logic never stops amazing me. How hard are you trying to screw over Chinese and Taiwanese players right now? And to be quite honest, if the system allows Korean players to qualify, the system shouldn't screw them over on travel costs right after. Think how much money a team like Axiom or Liquid would spend to send their players to WCS AM without this help. Yes, just imagine how much it would cost them to fly out their players to WCS NA. Of course, their players could participate in GSL. The WCS tournament that takes place around the corner. But no, they would rather make a fly-by to America, and by god they should be compensated for doing that. You are out of your mind. HEY GUIS, LET'S FLY THE CHINESE PLAYERS TO PLAY IN GSL EVERY SEASON. THAT'LL WORK OUT GREAT. I'M SURE ACCOMODATION IN SEOUL IS COMPLETELY FREE AND THIS IS AN AWESOME PRACTICAL IDEA. Actually this is essentially the root of the problem. There is no WCS Asia. GSL has always been a different format from current WCS tournaments - online play, then offline play. Blizzard needs to step up and start explore new solutions to better accomodate each region. There's a surplus of korean players flying all over the world incurring high travel costs, it's time to get a 2nd Asiatic Tournament and full region lock on WCS AM/EU.
What I think would be really great if there was a WCS based on country, which seeds into a continental and then global tournament at the end of the year.
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On June 05 2014 03:02 eScaper-tsunami wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2014 02:54 TotalBiscuit wrote:On June 05 2014 02:53 m0ck wrote:On June 05 2014 02:49 Darkhorse wrote:On June 05 2014 02:45 shid0x wrote:
Wouldn't a real soft region block be 1000 dollars for players on the american continent and 500 dollars for asians ?
Blizzard logic never stops amazing me. How hard are you trying to screw over Chinese and Taiwanese players right now? And to be quite honest, if the system allows Korean players to qualify, the system shouldn't screw them over on travel costs right after. Think how much money a team like Axiom or Liquid would spend to send their players to WCS AM without this help. Yes, just imagine how much it would cost them to fly out their players to WCS NA. Of course, their players could participate in GSL. The WCS tournament that takes place around the corner. But no, they would rather make a fly-by to America, and by god they should be compensated for doing that. You are out of your mind. HEY GUIS, LET'S FLY THE CHINESE PLAYERS TO PLAY IN GSL EVERY SEASON. THAT'LL WORK OUT GREAT. I'M SURE ACCOMODATION IN SEOUL IS COMPLETELY FREE AND THIS IS AN AWESOME PRACTICAL IDEA. Actually this is essentially the root of the problem. There is no WCS Asia. GSL has always been a different format from current WCS tournaments - online play, then offline play. Blizzard needs to step up and start explore new solutions to better accomodate each region. There's a surplus of korean players flying all over the world incurring high travel costs, it's time to get a 2nd Asiatic Tournament and full region lock on WCS AM/EU.
Full region lock would kill WCS AM. Right now there aren't enough consistent and good AM players to bring in viewers. The tournament would get abysmal viewer numbers, be plagued with forfeits, and quickly become irrelevant. Plus, isolating AM players from the koreans isn't doing them any favours either. Playing against the Koreans who are better players causes AM players to have to work harder and play better if they want to compete and only raises the level of play in AM. I like the soft-region lock we have now and if it became AM only players, I would probably lose a lot of interest.
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Also as we just discussed in the other thread.
There are flights to Los Angeles from Mexico City that Major could get for less than 500 dollars, a lot less. More in the 350 dollar range.
So whether or not Major's claim is even true is still debatable. 500 dollars sounds like enough of a stipend going from Mexico to LA. It might just be he needs to figure out how to shop for flights.
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On June 05 2014 03:07 jakethesnake wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2014 03:02 eScaper-tsunami wrote:On June 05 2014 02:54 TotalBiscuit wrote:On June 05 2014 02:53 m0ck wrote:On June 05 2014 02:49 Darkhorse wrote:On June 05 2014 02:45 shid0x wrote:
Wouldn't a real soft region block be 1000 dollars for players on the american continent and 500 dollars for asians ?
Blizzard logic never stops amazing me. How hard are you trying to screw over Chinese and Taiwanese players right now? And to be quite honest, if the system allows Korean players to qualify, the system shouldn't screw them over on travel costs right after. Think how much money a team like Axiom or Liquid would spend to send their players to WCS AM without this help. Yes, just imagine how much it would cost them to fly out their players to WCS NA. Of course, their players could participate in GSL. The WCS tournament that takes place around the corner. But no, they would rather make a fly-by to America, and by god they should be compensated for doing that. You are out of your mind. HEY GUIS, LET'S FLY THE CHINESE PLAYERS TO PLAY IN GSL EVERY SEASON. THAT'LL WORK OUT GREAT. I'M SURE ACCOMODATION IN SEOUL IS COMPLETELY FREE AND THIS IS AN AWESOME PRACTICAL IDEA. Actually this is essentially the root of the problem. There is no WCS Asia. GSL has always been a different format from current WCS tournaments - online play, then offline play. Blizzard needs to step up and start explore new solutions to better accomodate each region. There's a surplus of korean players flying all over the world incurring high travel costs, it's time to get a 2nd Asiatic Tournament and full region lock on WCS AM/EU. Full region lock would kill WCS AM. Right now there aren't enough consistent and good AM players to bring in viewers. The tournament would get abysmal viewer numbers, be plagued with forfeits, and quickly become irrelevant. Plus, isolating AM players from the koreans isn't doing them any favours either. Playing against the Koreans who are better players causes AM players to have to work harder and play better if they want to compete and only raises the level of play in AM. I like the soft-region lock we have now and if it became AM only players, I would probably lose a lot of interest.
This is just an opinion though. LCS NA seems to have amazing viewership even though it's clearly the worst scene in the LCS. There's more storyline and drama than just "can this one guy beat a Korean and be the sole north american to qualify for ro16?!?!" every season. Then when you have a champion in the americas it is hype when they get to finally go up against the koreans.
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On June 05 2014 03:06 Superiorwolf wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2014 03:02 eScaper-tsunami wrote:On June 05 2014 02:54 TotalBiscuit wrote:On June 05 2014 02:53 m0ck wrote:On June 05 2014 02:49 Darkhorse wrote:On June 05 2014 02:45 shid0x wrote:
Wouldn't a real soft region block be 1000 dollars for players on the american continent and 500 dollars for asians ?
Blizzard logic never stops amazing me. How hard are you trying to screw over Chinese and Taiwanese players right now? And to be quite honest, if the system allows Korean players to qualify, the system shouldn't screw them over on travel costs right after. Think how much money a team like Axiom or Liquid would spend to send their players to WCS AM without this help. Yes, just imagine how much it would cost them to fly out their players to WCS NA. Of course, their players could participate in GSL. The WCS tournament that takes place around the corner. But no, they would rather make a fly-by to America, and by god they should be compensated for doing that. You are out of your mind. HEY GUIS, LET'S FLY THE CHINESE PLAYERS TO PLAY IN GSL EVERY SEASON. THAT'LL WORK OUT GREAT. I'M SURE ACCOMODATION IN SEOUL IS COMPLETELY FREE AND THIS IS AN AWESOME PRACTICAL IDEA. Actually this is essentially the root of the problem. There is no WCS Asia. GSL has always been a different format from current WCS tournaments - online play, then offline play. Blizzard needs to step up and start explore new solutions to better accomodate each region. There's a surplus of korean players flying all over the world incurring high travel costs, it's time to get a 2nd Asiatic Tournament and full region lock on WCS AM/EU. What I think would be really great if there was a WCS based on country, which seeds into a continental and then global tournament at the end of the year. ;;;;;
You mean WCS 2012?
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On June 05 2014 03:10 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2014 03:06 Superiorwolf wrote:On June 05 2014 03:02 eScaper-tsunami wrote:On June 05 2014 02:54 TotalBiscuit wrote:On June 05 2014 02:53 m0ck wrote:On June 05 2014 02:49 Darkhorse wrote:On June 05 2014 02:45 shid0x wrote:
Wouldn't a real soft region block be 1000 dollars for players on the american continent and 500 dollars for asians ?
Blizzard logic never stops amazing me. How hard are you trying to screw over Chinese and Taiwanese players right now? And to be quite honest, if the system allows Korean players to qualify, the system shouldn't screw them over on travel costs right after. Think how much money a team like Axiom or Liquid would spend to send their players to WCS AM without this help. Yes, just imagine how much it would cost them to fly out their players to WCS NA. Of course, their players could participate in GSL. The WCS tournament that takes place around the corner. But no, they would rather make a fly-by to America, and by god they should be compensated for doing that. You are out of your mind. HEY GUIS, LET'S FLY THE CHINESE PLAYERS TO PLAY IN GSL EVERY SEASON. THAT'LL WORK OUT GREAT. I'M SURE ACCOMODATION IN SEOUL IS COMPLETELY FREE AND THIS IS AN AWESOME PRACTICAL IDEA. Actually this is essentially the root of the problem. There is no WCS Asia. GSL has always been a different format from current WCS tournaments - online play, then offline play. Blizzard needs to step up and start explore new solutions to better accomodate each region. There's a surplus of korean players flying all over the world incurring high travel costs, it's time to get a 2nd Asiatic Tournament and full region lock on WCS AM/EU. What I think would be really great if there was a WCS based on country, which seeds into a continental and then global tournament at the end of the year. ;;;;; You mean WCS 2012?
Exactly
Just do WCS 2012 but organize it better, especially so you don't have one that's literally played as a side event at an MLG
Pump more money in the KR WCS and less into the NA / EU ones too
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On June 05 2014 02:15 Technique wrote:
Be happy you get $500...
A pro would not need the tournament organizer to pay for him anyway... he's gonna win the money back and then some in the tournament.
I have several friends who are chess players, they (my friends) have to pay for their travel costs, hotels, fees to enter on any tournament. so if they don't win the prize, they plainly loss money.
esports is the only place where organizers must pay players to play in their tournaments. because somehow players can't loss any money ever.
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On June 05 2014 03:07 jakethesnake wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2014 03:02 eScaper-tsunami wrote:On June 05 2014 02:54 TotalBiscuit wrote:On June 05 2014 02:53 m0ck wrote:On June 05 2014 02:49 Darkhorse wrote:On June 05 2014 02:45 shid0x wrote:
Wouldn't a real soft region block be 1000 dollars for players on the american continent and 500 dollars for asians ?
Blizzard logic never stops amazing me. How hard are you trying to screw over Chinese and Taiwanese players right now? And to be quite honest, if the system allows Korean players to qualify, the system shouldn't screw them over on travel costs right after. Think how much money a team like Axiom or Liquid would spend to send their players to WCS AM without this help. Yes, just imagine how much it would cost them to fly out their players to WCS NA. Of course, their players could participate in GSL. The WCS tournament that takes place around the corner. But no, they would rather make a fly-by to America, and by god they should be compensated for doing that. You are out of your mind. HEY GUIS, LET'S FLY THE CHINESE PLAYERS TO PLAY IN GSL EVERY SEASON. THAT'LL WORK OUT GREAT. I'M SURE ACCOMODATION IN SEOUL IS COMPLETELY FREE AND THIS IS AN AWESOME PRACTICAL IDEA. Actually this is essentially the root of the problem. There is no WCS Asia. GSL has always been a different format from current WCS tournaments - online play, then offline play. Blizzard needs to step up and start explore new solutions to better accomodate each region. There's a surplus of korean players flying all over the world incurring high travel costs, it's time to get a 2nd Asiatic Tournament and full region lock on WCS AM/EU. Full region lock would kill WCS AM. Right now there aren't enough consistent and good AM players to bring in viewers. The tournament would get abysmal viewer numbers, be plagued with forfeits, and quickly become irrelevant. Plus, isolating AM players from the koreans isn't doing them any favours either. Playing against the Koreans who are better players causes AM players to have to work harder and play better if they want to compete and only raises the level of play in AM. I like the soft-region lock we have now and if it became AM only players, I would probably lose a lot of interest.
This is the part that so many people that pop up in these threads don't talk about.
If there was enough interest in American only starcraft then we'd actually see more tournaments popping up to support it, but every single time someone tries it the ratings are always awful.
MLG Anaheim is coming up this month. How likely is it that its viewer numbers will come anywhere near what the other major tournaments get that have Korean players in them?
There simply isn't enough interest in American/Canadian Starcraft to warrant a full WCS tournament for them. That's the sad truth of it.
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On June 05 2014 03:06 Superiorwolf wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2014 03:02 eScaper-tsunami wrote:On June 05 2014 02:54 TotalBiscuit wrote:On June 05 2014 02:53 m0ck wrote:On June 05 2014 02:49 Darkhorse wrote:On June 05 2014 02:45 shid0x wrote:
Wouldn't a real soft region block be 1000 dollars for players on the american continent and 500 dollars for asians ?
Blizzard logic never stops amazing me. How hard are you trying to screw over Chinese and Taiwanese players right now? And to be quite honest, if the system allows Korean players to qualify, the system shouldn't screw them over on travel costs right after. Think how much money a team like Axiom or Liquid would spend to send their players to WCS AM without this help. Yes, just imagine how much it would cost them to fly out their players to WCS NA. Of course, their players could participate in GSL. The WCS tournament that takes place around the corner. But no, they would rather make a fly-by to America, and by god they should be compensated for doing that. You are out of your mind. HEY GUIS, LET'S FLY THE CHINESE PLAYERS TO PLAY IN GSL EVERY SEASON. THAT'LL WORK OUT GREAT. I'M SURE ACCOMODATION IN SEOUL IS COMPLETELY FREE AND THIS IS AN AWESOME PRACTICAL IDEA. Actually this is essentially the root of the problem. There is no WCS Asia. GSL has always been a different format from current WCS tournaments - online play, then offline play. Blizzard needs to step up and start explore new solutions to better accomodate each region. There's a surplus of korean players flying all over the world incurring high travel costs, it's time to get a 2nd Asiatic Tournament and full region lock on WCS AM/EU. What I think would be really great if there was a WCS based on country, which seeds into a continental and then global tournament at the end of the year. ;;;;;
I really miss the days if WCS US/Canada/Germany etc. Those were the most exciting days of Starcraft 2 for me. There is something special about a tournament with the best from each country meeting up and battling it out. Kind of like a Mortal Kombat tournament on a mysterious island with the best fighters from all over the world.
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China6322 Posts
On June 05 2014 03:09 Superiorwolf wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2014 03:07 jakethesnake wrote:On June 05 2014 03:02 eScaper-tsunami wrote:On June 05 2014 02:54 TotalBiscuit wrote:On June 05 2014 02:53 m0ck wrote:On June 05 2014 02:49 Darkhorse wrote:On June 05 2014 02:45 shid0x wrote:
Wouldn't a real soft region block be 1000 dollars for players on the american continent and 500 dollars for asians ?
Blizzard logic never stops amazing me. How hard are you trying to screw over Chinese and Taiwanese players right now? And to be quite honest, if the system allows Korean players to qualify, the system shouldn't screw them over on travel costs right after. Think how much money a team like Axiom or Liquid would spend to send their players to WCS AM without this help. Yes, just imagine how much it would cost them to fly out their players to WCS NA. Of course, their players could participate in GSL. The WCS tournament that takes place around the corner. But no, they would rather make a fly-by to America, and by god they should be compensated for doing that. You are out of your mind. HEY GUIS, LET'S FLY THE CHINESE PLAYERS TO PLAY IN GSL EVERY SEASON. THAT'LL WORK OUT GREAT. I'M SURE ACCOMODATION IN SEOUL IS COMPLETELY FREE AND THIS IS AN AWESOME PRACTICAL IDEA. Actually this is essentially the root of the problem. There is no WCS Asia. GSL has always been a different format from current WCS tournaments - online play, then offline play. Blizzard needs to step up and start explore new solutions to better accomodate each region. There's a surplus of korean players flying all over the world incurring high travel costs, it's time to get a 2nd Asiatic Tournament and full region lock on WCS AM/EU. Full region lock would kill WCS AM. Right now there aren't enough consistent and good AM players to bring in viewers. The tournament would get abysmal viewer numbers, be plagued with forfeits, and quickly become irrelevant. Plus, isolating AM players from the koreans isn't doing them any favours either. Playing against the Koreans who are better players causes AM players to have to work harder and play better if they want to compete and only raises the level of play in AM. I like the soft-region lock we have now and if it became AM only players, I would probably lose a lot of interest. This is just an opinion though. LCS NA seems to have amazing viewership even though it's clearly the worst scene in the LCS. There's more storyline and drama than just "can this one guy beat a Korean and be the sole person to qualify for ro16?!?!" every season. Then when you have a champion in the americas it is hype when they get to finally go up against the koreans.
League is completely another story Suppy. Team sport tends to bring more drama and story because teams, just like how before League, EU dota was also very active despite total domination from China.
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On June 05 2014 03:09 Superiorwolf wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2014 03:07 jakethesnake wrote:On June 05 2014 03:02 eScaper-tsunami wrote:On June 05 2014 02:54 TotalBiscuit wrote:On June 05 2014 02:53 m0ck wrote:On June 05 2014 02:49 Darkhorse wrote:On June 05 2014 02:45 shid0x wrote:
Wouldn't a real soft region block be 1000 dollars for players on the american continent and 500 dollars for asians ?
Blizzard logic never stops amazing me. How hard are you trying to screw over Chinese and Taiwanese players right now? And to be quite honest, if the system allows Korean players to qualify, the system shouldn't screw them over on travel costs right after. Think how much money a team like Axiom or Liquid would spend to send their players to WCS AM without this help. Yes, just imagine how much it would cost them to fly out their players to WCS NA. Of course, their players could participate in GSL. The WCS tournament that takes place around the corner. But no, they would rather make a fly-by to America, and by god they should be compensated for doing that. You are out of your mind. HEY GUIS, LET'S FLY THE CHINESE PLAYERS TO PLAY IN GSL EVERY SEASON. THAT'LL WORK OUT GREAT. I'M SURE ACCOMODATION IN SEOUL IS COMPLETELY FREE AND THIS IS AN AWESOME PRACTICAL IDEA. Actually this is essentially the root of the problem. There is no WCS Asia. GSL has always been a different format from current WCS tournaments - online play, then offline play. Blizzard needs to step up and start explore new solutions to better accomodate each region. There's a surplus of korean players flying all over the world incurring high travel costs, it's time to get a 2nd Asiatic Tournament and full region lock on WCS AM/EU. Full region lock would kill WCS AM. Right now there aren't enough consistent and good AM players to bring in viewers. The tournament would get abysmal viewer numbers, be plagued with forfeits, and quickly become irrelevant. Plus, isolating AM players from the koreans isn't doing them any favours either. Playing against the Koreans who are better players causes AM players to have to work harder and play better if they want to compete and only raises the level of play in AM. I like the soft-region lock we have now and if it became AM only players, I would probably lose a lot of interest. This is just an opinion though. LCS NA seems to have amazing viewership even though it's clearly the worst scene in the LCS. There's more storyline and drama than just "can this one guy beat a Korean and be the sole north american to qualify for ro16?!?!" every season. Then when you have a champion in the americas it is hype when they get to finally go up against the koreans.
LCS NA > LCS EU probably. And riot isolated its scenes so a lot of people are blind about the abysmal skill their fed with. And there is a similar debate going on TL about the cause AM/EU suck balls compare to Korea.
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United States23455 Posts
On June 05 2014 03:10 Superiorwolf wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2014 03:10 stuchiu wrote:On June 05 2014 03:06 Superiorwolf wrote:On June 05 2014 03:02 eScaper-tsunami wrote:On June 05 2014 02:54 TotalBiscuit wrote:On June 05 2014 02:53 m0ck wrote:On June 05 2014 02:49 Darkhorse wrote:On June 05 2014 02:45 shid0x wrote:
Wouldn't a real soft region block be 1000 dollars for players on the american continent and 500 dollars for asians ?
Blizzard logic never stops amazing me. How hard are you trying to screw over Chinese and Taiwanese players right now? And to be quite honest, if the system allows Korean players to qualify, the system shouldn't screw them over on travel costs right after. Think how much money a team like Axiom or Liquid would spend to send their players to WCS AM without this help. Yes, just imagine how much it would cost them to fly out their players to WCS NA. Of course, their players could participate in GSL. The WCS tournament that takes place around the corner. But no, they would rather make a fly-by to America, and by god they should be compensated for doing that. You are out of your mind. HEY GUIS, LET'S FLY THE CHINESE PLAYERS TO PLAY IN GSL EVERY SEASON. THAT'LL WORK OUT GREAT. I'M SURE ACCOMODATION IN SEOUL IS COMPLETELY FREE AND THIS IS AN AWESOME PRACTICAL IDEA. Actually this is essentially the root of the problem. There is no WCS Asia. GSL has always been a different format from current WCS tournaments - online play, then offline play. Blizzard needs to step up and start explore new solutions to better accomodate each region. There's a surplus of korean players flying all over the world incurring high travel costs, it's time to get a 2nd Asiatic Tournament and full region lock on WCS AM/EU. What I think would be really great if there was a WCS based on country, which seeds into a continental and then global tournament at the end of the year. ;;;;; You mean WCS 2012? Exactly Just do WCS 2012 but organize it better, especially so you don't have one that's literally played as a side event at an MLG Pump more money in the KR WCS and less into the NA / EU ones too
I enjoyed that system but the 2012 system was seriously flawed (tournaments combo'd with other events, low viewer counts, some countries being drastically more difficult than others even within EU/AM). I think there are positives to that system as opposed to this one, although it needs to be done MUCH better especially on the NA side.
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On June 05 2014 03:10 Superiorwolf wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2014 03:10 stuchiu wrote:On June 05 2014 03:06 Superiorwolf wrote:On June 05 2014 03:02 eScaper-tsunami wrote:On June 05 2014 02:54 TotalBiscuit wrote:On June 05 2014 02:53 m0ck wrote:On June 05 2014 02:49 Darkhorse wrote:On June 05 2014 02:45 shid0x wrote:
Wouldn't a real soft region block be 1000 dollars for players on the american continent and 500 dollars for asians ?
Blizzard logic never stops amazing me. How hard are you trying to screw over Chinese and Taiwanese players right now? And to be quite honest, if the system allows Korean players to qualify, the system shouldn't screw them over on travel costs right after. Think how much money a team like Axiom or Liquid would spend to send their players to WCS AM without this help. Yes, just imagine how much it would cost them to fly out their players to WCS NA. Of course, their players could participate in GSL. The WCS tournament that takes place around the corner. But no, they would rather make a fly-by to America, and by god they should be compensated for doing that. You are out of your mind. HEY GUIS, LET'S FLY THE CHINESE PLAYERS TO PLAY IN GSL EVERY SEASON. THAT'LL WORK OUT GREAT. I'M SURE ACCOMODATION IN SEOUL IS COMPLETELY FREE AND THIS IS AN AWESOME PRACTICAL IDEA. Actually this is essentially the root of the problem. There is no WCS Asia. GSL has always been a different format from current WCS tournaments - online play, then offline play. Blizzard needs to step up and start explore new solutions to better accomodate each region. There's a surplus of korean players flying all over the world incurring high travel costs, it's time to get a 2nd Asiatic Tournament and full region lock on WCS AM/EU. What I think would be really great if there was a WCS based on country, which seeds into a continental and then global tournament at the end of the year. ;;;;; You mean WCS 2012? Exactly Just do WCS 2012 but organize it better, especially so you don't have one that's literally played as a side event at an MLG Pump more money in the KR WCS and less into the NA / EU ones too
I actually wanted a WCS 2012 because you can easily make fun side events like nation wars coincide with it.
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On June 05 2014 03:10 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2014 03:07 jakethesnake wrote:On June 05 2014 03:02 eScaper-tsunami wrote:On June 05 2014 02:54 TotalBiscuit wrote:On June 05 2014 02:53 m0ck wrote:On June 05 2014 02:49 Darkhorse wrote:On June 05 2014 02:45 shid0x wrote:
Wouldn't a real soft region block be 1000 dollars for players on the american continent and 500 dollars for asians ?
Blizzard logic never stops amazing me. How hard are you trying to screw over Chinese and Taiwanese players right now? And to be quite honest, if the system allows Korean players to qualify, the system shouldn't screw them over on travel costs right after. Think how much money a team like Axiom or Liquid would spend to send their players to WCS AM without this help. Yes, just imagine how much it would cost them to fly out their players to WCS NA. Of course, their players could participate in GSL. The WCS tournament that takes place around the corner. But no, they would rather make a fly-by to America, and by god they should be compensated for doing that. You are out of your mind. HEY GUIS, LET'S FLY THE CHINESE PLAYERS TO PLAY IN GSL EVERY SEASON. THAT'LL WORK OUT GREAT. I'M SURE ACCOMODATION IN SEOUL IS COMPLETELY FREE AND THIS IS AN AWESOME PRACTICAL IDEA. Actually this is essentially the root of the problem. There is no WCS Asia. GSL has always been a different format from current WCS tournaments - online play, then offline play. Blizzard needs to step up and start explore new solutions to better accomodate each region. There's a surplus of korean players flying all over the world incurring high travel costs, it's time to get a 2nd Asiatic Tournament and full region lock on WCS AM/EU. Full region lock would kill WCS AM. Right now there aren't enough consistent and good AM players to bring in viewers. The tournament would get abysmal viewer numbers, be plagued with forfeits, and quickly become irrelevant. Plus, isolating AM players from the koreans isn't doing them any favours either. Playing against the Koreans who are better players causes AM players to have to work harder and play better if they want to compete and only raises the level of play in AM. I like the soft-region lock we have now and if it became AM only players, I would probably lose a lot of interest. This is the part that so many people that pop up in these threads don't talk about. If there was enough interest in American only starcraft then we'd actually see more tournaments popping up to support it, but every single time someone tries it the ratings are always awful. MLG Anaheim is coming up this month. How likely is it that its viewer numbers will come anywhere near what the other major tournaments get that have Korean players in them? There simply isn't enough interest in American/Canadian Starcraft to warrant a full WCS tournament for them. That's the sad truth of it.
MLG Anaheims open bracket is not region locked though (Already heard rumors about Harstem participating) and a few koreans/euros are already in the group stages. I think they'll get decent numbers.
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If Blizzard says they will cover all travel costs, then they should cover all travel costs, not just $500. It's also ridiculous that they would set the limit at $500 for NA players, but make it $1000 for Koreans. This is WCS NORTH AMERICA after all... Regardless, Major is so damn unprofessional and whiny that I wouldn't mind if he forfeited.
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On June 05 2014 03:10 Superiorwolf wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2014 03:10 stuchiu wrote:On June 05 2014 03:06 Superiorwolf wrote:On June 05 2014 03:02 eScaper-tsunami wrote:On June 05 2014 02:54 TotalBiscuit wrote:On June 05 2014 02:53 m0ck wrote:On June 05 2014 02:49 Darkhorse wrote:On June 05 2014 02:45 shid0x wrote:
Wouldn't a real soft region block be 1000 dollars for players on the american continent and 500 dollars for asians ?
Blizzard logic never stops amazing me. How hard are you trying to screw over Chinese and Taiwanese players right now? And to be quite honest, if the system allows Korean players to qualify, the system shouldn't screw them over on travel costs right after. Think how much money a team like Axiom or Liquid would spend to send their players to WCS AM without this help. Yes, just imagine how much it would cost them to fly out their players to WCS NA. Of course, their players could participate in GSL. The WCS tournament that takes place around the corner. But no, they would rather make a fly-by to America, and by god they should be compensated for doing that. You are out of your mind. HEY GUIS, LET'S FLY THE CHINESE PLAYERS TO PLAY IN GSL EVERY SEASON. THAT'LL WORK OUT GREAT. I'M SURE ACCOMODATION IN SEOUL IS COMPLETELY FREE AND THIS IS AN AWESOME PRACTICAL IDEA. Actually this is essentially the root of the problem. There is no WCS Asia. GSL has always been a different format from current WCS tournaments - online play, then offline play. Blizzard needs to step up and start explore new solutions to better accomodate each region. There's a surplus of korean players flying all over the world incurring high travel costs, it's time to get a 2nd Asiatic Tournament and full region lock on WCS AM/EU. What I think would be really great if there was a WCS based on country, which seeds into a continental and then global tournament at the end of the year. ;;;;; You mean WCS 2012? Exactly Just do WCS 2012 but organize it better, especially so you don't have one that's literally played as a side event at an MLG Pump more money in the KR WCS and less into the NA / EU ones too
WCS 2012 was by far the best WCS, but I dont think we need country and global. Just only continental and Blizzcon. Global killed the status of continental winner. And KR has two Tournaments (WCS and GSL).
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On June 05 2014 03:13 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2014 03:10 Superiorwolf wrote:On June 05 2014 03:10 stuchiu wrote:On June 05 2014 03:06 Superiorwolf wrote:On June 05 2014 03:02 eScaper-tsunami wrote:On June 05 2014 02:54 TotalBiscuit wrote:On June 05 2014 02:53 m0ck wrote:On June 05 2014 02:49 Darkhorse wrote:On June 05 2014 02:45 shid0x wrote:
Wouldn't a real soft region block be 1000 dollars for players on the american continent and 500 dollars for asians ?
Blizzard logic never stops amazing me. How hard are you trying to screw over Chinese and Taiwanese players right now? And to be quite honest, if the system allows Korean players to qualify, the system shouldn't screw them over on travel costs right after. Think how much money a team like Axiom or Liquid would spend to send their players to WCS AM without this help. Yes, just imagine how much it would cost them to fly out their players to WCS NA. Of course, their players could participate in GSL. The WCS tournament that takes place around the corner. But no, they would rather make a fly-by to America, and by god they should be compensated for doing that. You are out of your mind. HEY GUIS, LET'S FLY THE CHINESE PLAYERS TO PLAY IN GSL EVERY SEASON. THAT'LL WORK OUT GREAT. I'M SURE ACCOMODATION IN SEOUL IS COMPLETELY FREE AND THIS IS AN AWESOME PRACTICAL IDEA. Actually this is essentially the root of the problem. There is no WCS Asia. GSL has always been a different format from current WCS tournaments - online play, then offline play. Blizzard needs to step up and start explore new solutions to better accomodate each region. There's a surplus of korean players flying all over the world incurring high travel costs, it's time to get a 2nd Asiatic Tournament and full region lock on WCS AM/EU. What I think would be really great if there was a WCS based on country, which seeds into a continental and then global tournament at the end of the year. ;;;;; You mean WCS 2012? Exactly Just do WCS 2012 but organize it better, especially so you don't have one that's literally played as a side event at an MLG Pump more money in the KR WCS and less into the NA / EU ones too I actually wanted a WCS 2012 because you can easily make fun side events like nation wars coincide with it.
with nationwars you get a combo of live semi/finals + foreigners + national aspect that makes up for the level of play
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On June 05 2014 03:07 jakethesnake wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2014 03:02 eScaper-tsunami wrote:On June 05 2014 02:54 TotalBiscuit wrote:On June 05 2014 02:53 m0ck wrote:On June 05 2014 02:49 Darkhorse wrote:On June 05 2014 02:45 shid0x wrote:
Wouldn't a real soft region block be 1000 dollars for players on the american continent and 500 dollars for asians ?
Blizzard logic never stops amazing me. How hard are you trying to screw over Chinese and Taiwanese players right now? And to be quite honest, if the system allows Korean players to qualify, the system shouldn't screw them over on travel costs right after. Think how much money a team like Axiom or Liquid would spend to send their players to WCS AM without this help. Yes, just imagine how much it would cost them to fly out their players to WCS NA. Of course, their players could participate in GSL. The WCS tournament that takes place around the corner. But no, they would rather make a fly-by to America, and by god they should be compensated for doing that. You are out of your mind. HEY GUIS, LET'S FLY THE CHINESE PLAYERS TO PLAY IN GSL EVERY SEASON. THAT'LL WORK OUT GREAT. I'M SURE ACCOMODATION IN SEOUL IS COMPLETELY FREE AND THIS IS AN AWESOME PRACTICAL IDEA. Actually this is essentially the root of the problem. There is no WCS Asia. GSL has always been a different format from current WCS tournaments - online play, then offline play. Blizzard needs to step up and start explore new solutions to better accomodate each region. There's a surplus of korean players flying all over the world incurring high travel costs, it's time to get a 2nd Asiatic Tournament and full region lock on WCS AM/EU. Full region lock would kill WCS AM. Right now there aren't enough consistent and good AM players to bring in viewers. The tournament would get abysmal viewer numbers, be plagued with forfeits, and quickly become irrelevant. Plus, isolating AM players from the koreans isn't doing them any favours either. Playing against the Koreans who are better players causes AM players to have to work harder and play better if they want to compete and only raises the level of play in AM. I like the soft-region lock we have now and if it became AM only players, I would probably lose a lot of interest.
1.) The viewers have never been great, there's a reason why NASL shut down. Think about it. Stephano streaming alone makes up for 25%-50% of the WCS AM viewership on a regular basis not including the offline-portion.
2.) There are plenty of opportunities to play against koreans. Online cups, ladder, dreamhack, MLG, IEM. You do realise that only about 1-2 foreigners make it to the offline portions of WCS AM right? Most of the encounters of foreigner vs korean are still online.
3.) The difference is that GSL is FULL REGION LOCKED. Foreigners have virtually 0 chance to even try for GSL. The qualifiers alone are offline. Then you're expected to be at a studio once a month at the very least. And the koreans who find GSL too hard (or WCS too easy) flock to all corners of the world. GSL/region lock aside, there needs to be a WCS Asia, there are many non-korean asian players also looking for an opportunity and it can help accommodate the surplus of koreans.
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On June 05 2014 03:12 digmouse wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2014 03:09 Superiorwolf wrote:On June 05 2014 03:07 jakethesnake wrote:On June 05 2014 03:02 eScaper-tsunami wrote:On June 05 2014 02:54 TotalBiscuit wrote:On June 05 2014 02:53 m0ck wrote:On June 05 2014 02:49 Darkhorse wrote:On June 05 2014 02:45 shid0x wrote:
Wouldn't a real soft region block be 1000 dollars for players on the american continent and 500 dollars for asians ?
Blizzard logic never stops amazing me. How hard are you trying to screw over Chinese and Taiwanese players right now? And to be quite honest, if the system allows Korean players to qualify, the system shouldn't screw them over on travel costs right after. Think how much money a team like Axiom or Liquid would spend to send their players to WCS AM without this help. Yes, just imagine how much it would cost them to fly out their players to WCS NA. Of course, their players could participate in GSL. The WCS tournament that takes place around the corner. But no, they would rather make a fly-by to America, and by god they should be compensated for doing that. You are out of your mind. HEY GUIS, LET'S FLY THE CHINESE PLAYERS TO PLAY IN GSL EVERY SEASON. THAT'LL WORK OUT GREAT. I'M SURE ACCOMODATION IN SEOUL IS COMPLETELY FREE AND THIS IS AN AWESOME PRACTICAL IDEA. Actually this is essentially the root of the problem. There is no WCS Asia. GSL has always been a different format from current WCS tournaments - online play, then offline play. Blizzard needs to step up and start explore new solutions to better accomodate each region. There's a surplus of korean players flying all over the world incurring high travel costs, it's time to get a 2nd Asiatic Tournament and full region lock on WCS AM/EU. Full region lock would kill WCS AM. Right now there aren't enough consistent and good AM players to bring in viewers. The tournament would get abysmal viewer numbers, be plagued with forfeits, and quickly become irrelevant. Plus, isolating AM players from the koreans isn't doing them any favours either. Playing against the Koreans who are better players causes AM players to have to work harder and play better if they want to compete and only raises the level of play in AM. I like the soft-region lock we have now and if it became AM only players, I would probably lose a lot of interest. This is just an opinion though. LCS NA seems to have amazing viewership even though it's clearly the worst scene in the LCS. There's more storyline and drama than just "can this one guy beat a Korean and be the sole person to qualify for ro16?!?!" every season. Then when you have a champion in the americas it is hype when they get to finally go up against the koreans. League is completely another story Suppy. Team sport tends to bring more drama and story because teams, just like how before League, EU dota was also very active despite total domination from China.
Well it seems to me that viewership is always highest when a non-Korean makes it far in a tournament, and drops immediately after they are knocked out. Once Koreans started coming into MLGs and stuff and starting to dominate is when the viewership began to decline. You can argue that it was because SC2 was getting older but all I know is that people love to see non-Koreans doing well and if you can put on a facade that they are good by having a region locked tournament a lot of people will forget how big the skill disparity is and still enjoy watching a region locked tournament. Plus, that type of a tournament would perhaps lead to non-Koreans getting better in general, read CatZ well written post about it here http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/1c1slt/my_views_on_wcsregional_based_leagues_region/
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The players are just trying to earn some money. Closing an already open door for the Asian/Korean players seems like a slippery slope, and as already pointed out, the numbers simply don't warrant an all NA system.
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