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MajOr won't forfeit WCS Ro16 and this thread was terrible…

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Jimmeh
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United Kingdom908 Posts
June 04 2014 18:18 GMT
#121
The sooner Blizzard switches to a F2P model for SC2 (with only cosmetic things available for purchase, like how DotA2 does it), the quicker they'll be able to support a proper global WCS similar to 2012.
VasHeR
Profile Joined June 2011
166 Posts
June 04 2014 18:18 GMT
#122
On June 05 2014 02:35 KiWiKaKi wrote:
Sry guys but all these flights just wont work, major flies direct and first class only

WHERE THE F*** U BEEN?
Xoronius
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany6362 Posts
June 04 2014 18:18 GMT
#123
On June 05 2014 03:16 Superiorwolf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2014 03:12 digmouse wrote:
On June 05 2014 03:09 Superiorwolf wrote:
On June 05 2014 03:07 jakethesnake wrote:
On June 05 2014 03:02 eScaper-tsunami wrote:
On June 05 2014 02:54 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On June 05 2014 02:53 m0ck wrote:
On June 05 2014 02:49 Darkhorse wrote:
On June 05 2014 02:45 shid0x wrote:
Wouldn't a real soft region block be 1000 dollars for players on the american continent and 500 dollars for asians ?
Blizzard logic never stops amazing me.

How hard are you trying to screw over Chinese and Taiwanese players right now?

And to be quite honest, if the system allows Korean players to qualify, the system shouldn't screw them over on travel costs right after. Think how much money a team like Axiom or Liquid would spend to send their players to WCS AM without this help.

Yes, just imagine how much it would cost them to fly out their players to WCS NA. Of course, their players could participate in GSL. The WCS tournament that takes place around the corner. But no, they would rather make a fly-by to America, and by god they should be compensated for doing that.


You are out of your mind.

HEY GUIS, LET'S FLY THE CHINESE PLAYERS TO PLAY IN GSL EVERY SEASON. THAT'LL WORK OUT GREAT. I'M SURE ACCOMODATION IN SEOUL IS COMPLETELY FREE AND THIS IS AN AWESOME PRACTICAL IDEA.

Actually this is essentially the root of the problem. There is no WCS Asia. GSL has always been a different format from current WCS tournaments - online play, then offline play. Blizzard needs to step up and start explore new solutions to better accomodate each region. There's a surplus of korean players flying all over the world incurring high travel costs, it's time to get a 2nd Asiatic Tournament and full region lock on WCS AM/EU.


Full region lock would kill WCS AM. Right now there aren't enough consistent and good AM players to bring in viewers. The tournament would get abysmal viewer numbers, be plagued with forfeits, and quickly become irrelevant. Plus, isolating AM players from the koreans isn't doing them any favours either. Playing against the Koreans who are better players causes AM players to have to work harder and play better if they want to compete and only raises the level of play in AM. I like the soft-region lock we have now and if it became AM only players, I would probably lose a lot of interest.

This is just an opinion though. LCS NA seems to have amazing viewership even though it's clearly the worst scene in the LCS. There's more storyline and drama than just "can this one guy beat a Korean and be the sole person to qualify for ro16?!?!" every season. Then when you have a champion in the americas it is hype when they get to finally go up against the koreans.

League is completely another story Suppy. Team sport tends to bring more drama and story because teams, just like how before League, EU dota was also very active despite total domination from China.

Well it seems to me that viewership is always highest when a non-Korean makes it far in a tournament, and drops immediately after they are knocked out. Once Koreans started coming into MLGs and stuff and starting to dominate is when the viewership began to decline. You can argue that it was because SC2 was getting older but all I know is that people love to see non-Koreans doing well and if you can put on a facade that they are good by having a region locked tournament a lot of people will forget how big the skill disparity is and still enjoy watching a region locked tournament. Plus, that type of a tournament would perhaps lead to non-Koreans getting better in general, read CatZ well written post about it here http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/1c1slt/my_views_on_wcsregional_based_leagues_region/

I think, the highest viewer count, I saw recently was actually Life vs Innovation at DH.
xuanzue
Profile Joined October 2010
Colombia1747 Posts
June 04 2014 18:19 GMT
#124
On June 05 2014 03:15 eScaper-tsunami wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2014 03:07 jakethesnake wrote:
On June 05 2014 03:02 eScaper-tsunami wrote:
On June 05 2014 02:54 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On June 05 2014 02:53 m0ck wrote:
On June 05 2014 02:49 Darkhorse wrote:
On June 05 2014 02:45 shid0x wrote:
Wouldn't a real soft region block be 1000 dollars for players on the american continent and 500 dollars for asians ?
Blizzard logic never stops amazing me.

How hard are you trying to screw over Chinese and Taiwanese players right now?

And to be quite honest, if the system allows Korean players to qualify, the system shouldn't screw them over on travel costs right after. Think how much money a team like Axiom or Liquid would spend to send their players to WCS AM without this help.

Yes, just imagine how much it would cost them to fly out their players to WCS NA. Of course, their players could participate in GSL. The WCS tournament that takes place around the corner. But no, they would rather make a fly-by to America, and by god they should be compensated for doing that.


You are out of your mind.

HEY GUIS, LET'S FLY THE CHINESE PLAYERS TO PLAY IN GSL EVERY SEASON. THAT'LL WORK OUT GREAT. I'M SURE ACCOMODATION IN SEOUL IS COMPLETELY FREE AND THIS IS AN AWESOME PRACTICAL IDEA.

Actually this is essentially the root of the problem. There is no WCS Asia. GSL has always been a different format from current WCS tournaments - online play, then offline play. Blizzard needs to step up and start explore new solutions to better accomodate each region. There's a surplus of korean players flying all over the world incurring high travel costs, it's time to get a 2nd Asiatic Tournament and full region lock on WCS AM/EU.


Full region lock would kill WCS AM. Right now there aren't enough consistent and good AM players to bring in viewers. The tournament would get abysmal viewer numbers, be plagued with forfeits, and quickly become irrelevant. Plus, isolating AM players from the koreans isn't doing them any favours either. Playing against the Koreans who are better players causes AM players to have to work harder and play better if they want to compete and only raises the level of play in AM. I like the soft-region lock we have now and if it became AM only players, I would probably lose a lot of interest.


3.) The difference is that GSL is FULL REGION LOCKED.


exaggeration is a way of lie
Dominions 4: "Thrones of Ascension".
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16125 Posts
June 04 2014 18:20 GMT
#125
On June 05 2014 03:16 Superiorwolf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2014 03:12 digmouse wrote:
On June 05 2014 03:09 Superiorwolf wrote:
On June 05 2014 03:07 jakethesnake wrote:
On June 05 2014 03:02 eScaper-tsunami wrote:
On June 05 2014 02:54 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On June 05 2014 02:53 m0ck wrote:
On June 05 2014 02:49 Darkhorse wrote:
On June 05 2014 02:45 shid0x wrote:
Wouldn't a real soft region block be 1000 dollars for players on the american continent and 500 dollars for asians ?
Blizzard logic never stops amazing me.

How hard are you trying to screw over Chinese and Taiwanese players right now?

And to be quite honest, if the system allows Korean players to qualify, the system shouldn't screw them over on travel costs right after. Think how much money a team like Axiom or Liquid would spend to send their players to WCS AM without this help.

Yes, just imagine how much it would cost them to fly out their players to WCS NA. Of course, their players could participate in GSL. The WCS tournament that takes place around the corner. But no, they would rather make a fly-by to America, and by god they should be compensated for doing that.


You are out of your mind.

HEY GUIS, LET'S FLY THE CHINESE PLAYERS TO PLAY IN GSL EVERY SEASON. THAT'LL WORK OUT GREAT. I'M SURE ACCOMODATION IN SEOUL IS COMPLETELY FREE AND THIS IS AN AWESOME PRACTICAL IDEA.

Actually this is essentially the root of the problem. There is no WCS Asia. GSL has always been a different format from current WCS tournaments - online play, then offline play. Blizzard needs to step up and start explore new solutions to better accomodate each region. There's a surplus of korean players flying all over the world incurring high travel costs, it's time to get a 2nd Asiatic Tournament and full region lock on WCS AM/EU.


Full region lock would kill WCS AM. Right now there aren't enough consistent and good AM players to bring in viewers. The tournament would get abysmal viewer numbers, be plagued with forfeits, and quickly become irrelevant. Plus, isolating AM players from the koreans isn't doing them any favours either. Playing against the Koreans who are better players causes AM players to have to work harder and play better if they want to compete and only raises the level of play in AM. I like the soft-region lock we have now and if it became AM only players, I would probably lose a lot of interest.

This is just an opinion though. LCS NA seems to have amazing viewership even though it's clearly the worst scene in the LCS. There's more storyline and drama than just "can this one guy beat a Korean and be the sole person to qualify for ro16?!?!" every season. Then when you have a champion in the americas it is hype when they get to finally go up against the koreans.

League is completely another story Suppy. Team sport tends to bring more drama and story because teams, just like how before League, EU dota was also very active despite total domination from China.

Well it seems to me that viewership is always highest when a non-Korean makes it far in a tournament, and drops immediately after they are knocked out. Once Koreans started coming into MLGs and stuff and starting to dominate is when the viewership began to decline. You can argue that it was because SC2 was getting older but all I know is that people love to see non-Koreans doing well and if you can put on a facade that they are good by having a region locked tournament a lot of people will forget how big the skill disparity is and still enjoy watching a region locked tournament. Plus, that type of a tournament would perhaps lead to non-Koreans getting better in general, read CatZ well written post about it here http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/1c1slt/my_views_on_wcsregional_based_leagues_region/



You have a terrible memory.

Columbus was when MLG first featured Korean players. Columbus blew away anything that had come before it in terms of viewer ratings.

Anaheim topped Columbus.

Providence was the absolute peak.

Guess what all 3 had in common? Korean players.

Except back then, Foreign players could actually still somewhat compete, but the divide between Korean pros and foreign pros has only gotten larger since then thanks in large part to the KESPA pros.

MLG's drop in viewers came mostly from LoL rising to prominence and the fact that WoL turned into an Infestor/Broodlord shit show that killed viewership all over the place.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
June 04 2014 18:21 GMT
#126
On June 05 2014 03:19 xuanzue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2014 03:15 eScaper-tsunami wrote:
On June 05 2014 03:07 jakethesnake wrote:
On June 05 2014 03:02 eScaper-tsunami wrote:
On June 05 2014 02:54 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On June 05 2014 02:53 m0ck wrote:
On June 05 2014 02:49 Darkhorse wrote:
On June 05 2014 02:45 shid0x wrote:
Wouldn't a real soft region block be 1000 dollars for players on the american continent and 500 dollars for asians ?
Blizzard logic never stops amazing me.

How hard are you trying to screw over Chinese and Taiwanese players right now?

And to be quite honest, if the system allows Korean players to qualify, the system shouldn't screw them over on travel costs right after. Think how much money a team like Axiom or Liquid would spend to send their players to WCS AM without this help.

Yes, just imagine how much it would cost them to fly out their players to WCS NA. Of course, their players could participate in GSL. The WCS tournament that takes place around the corner. But no, they would rather make a fly-by to America, and by god they should be compensated for doing that.


You are out of your mind.

HEY GUIS, LET'S FLY THE CHINESE PLAYERS TO PLAY IN GSL EVERY SEASON. THAT'LL WORK OUT GREAT. I'M SURE ACCOMODATION IN SEOUL IS COMPLETELY FREE AND THIS IS AN AWESOME PRACTICAL IDEA.

Actually this is essentially the root of the problem. There is no WCS Asia. GSL has always been a different format from current WCS tournaments - online play, then offline play. Blizzard needs to step up and start explore new solutions to better accomodate each region. There's a surplus of korean players flying all over the world incurring high travel costs, it's time to get a 2nd Asiatic Tournament and full region lock on WCS AM/EU.


Full region lock would kill WCS AM. Right now there aren't enough consistent and good AM players to bring in viewers. The tournament would get abysmal viewer numbers, be plagued with forfeits, and quickly become irrelevant. Plus, isolating AM players from the koreans isn't doing them any favours either. Playing against the Koreans who are better players causes AM players to have to work harder and play better if they want to compete and only raises the level of play in AM. I like the soft-region lock we have now and if it became AM only players, I would probably lose a lot of interest.


3.) The difference is that GSL is FULL REGION LOCKED.


exaggeration is a way of lie


it's just a straight up lie. the GSL is just a full lan event.
Zest fanboy.
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33678 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-04 18:23:13
June 04 2014 18:23 GMT
#127
On June 05 2014 02:43 jakethesnake wrote:
So according to the WCS rules, if he forfiets he only gets the prize money for 17th - 32nd place which is $2k, despite getting 2nd in his RO32 group (which guarantees him at least $3K). So even if it cost him $1000, which is clearly excessive to what people in this threat have found, to get to LA he is still giving up $500 by quitting. (Rule 20.0B).


hmmm, interesting point :o
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Faust852
Profile Joined February 2012
Luxembourg4004 Posts
June 04 2014 18:23 GMT
#128
It's funny how people put the fault on koreans when it's just foreigners that are plain bad at the game. It they had a better work ethic, we wouldn't have this problem.
mvdunecats
Profile Joined December 2011
United States102 Posts
June 04 2014 18:23 GMT
#129
My family travels from Florida to New England once or twice a year. Having priced flights like this for the last 6 years, I completely understand Blizzard changing their travel expense policy from covering 100% of travel costs last year to covering a set limit.

Airfare between the same two destinations can vary greatly depending on lots of factors:
- direct flights tend to cost more than flights with multiple hops
- flights leaving and/or arriving at more convenient times of the day cost more than ones that leave really early or arrive really late
- tickets purchased in advance tend to cost less than tickets purchased on shortly before the flight

If players had their travel expenses covered 100%, they would no doubt pick the most convenient flight for them regardless of the extra cost compared to slightly less convenient arrangements.
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
June 04 2014 18:23 GMT
#130
On June 05 2014 03:02 Xoronius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2014 02:54 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On June 05 2014 02:53 m0ck wrote:
On June 05 2014 02:49 Darkhorse wrote:
On June 05 2014 02:45 shid0x wrote:
Wouldn't a real soft region block be 1000 dollars for players on the american continent and 500 dollars for asians ?
Blizzard logic never stops amazing me.

How hard are you trying to screw over Chinese and Taiwanese players right now?

And to be quite honest, if the system allows Korean players to qualify, the system shouldn't screw them over on travel costs right after. Think how much money a team like Axiom or Liquid would spend to send their players to WCS AM without this help.

Yes, just imagine how much it would cost them to fly out their players to WCS NA. Of course, their players could participate in GSL. The WCS tournament that takes place around the corner. But no, they would rather make a fly-by to America, and by god they should be compensated for doing that.


You are out of your mind.

HEY GUIS, LET'S FLY THE CHINESE PLAYERS TO PLAY IN GSL EVERY SEASON. THAT'LL WORK OUT GREAT. I'M SURE ACCOMODATION IN SEOUL IS COMPLETELY FREE AND THIS IS AN AWESOME PRACTICAL IDEA.

While I agree with you on the subject content-wise, I (and I think I'm not alone in this) would greatly appreciate it, if you wouldn't go ad hominem in every discussion you take part in, just because they didn't think something completely through. Not offending people generally leads to a more constructive environment.


And I would appreciate it if you did not engage in the fallacy fallacy. The only ad hominem that occurred in that post was the first line. The rest of the post was completely valid. Detecting a fallacy does not win you the argument, nor does it score you points.
CommentatorHost of SHOUTcraft Clan Wars- http://www.mlg.tv/shoutcraft
ArchangelJada
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada910 Posts
June 04 2014 18:26 GMT
#131
This is ludicrous at some point its just complaining to complain, I hope he forfeit and someone that relishes the opportunity gets the spot.
Rho_
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States971 Posts
June 04 2014 18:26 GMT
#132
Guys, clearly Major is confused because he couldn't message Demuslim to ask if $378 is more or less than $500.
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16125 Posts
June 04 2014 18:26 GMT
#133
On June 05 2014 03:23 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2014 03:02 Xoronius wrote:
On June 05 2014 02:54 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On June 05 2014 02:53 m0ck wrote:
On June 05 2014 02:49 Darkhorse wrote:
On June 05 2014 02:45 shid0x wrote:
Wouldn't a real soft region block be 1000 dollars for players on the american continent and 500 dollars for asians ?
Blizzard logic never stops amazing me.

How hard are you trying to screw over Chinese and Taiwanese players right now?

And to be quite honest, if the system allows Korean players to qualify, the system shouldn't screw them over on travel costs right after. Think how much money a team like Axiom or Liquid would spend to send their players to WCS AM without this help.

Yes, just imagine how much it would cost them to fly out their players to WCS NA. Of course, their players could participate in GSL. The WCS tournament that takes place around the corner. But no, they would rather make a fly-by to America, and by god they should be compensated for doing that.


You are out of your mind.

HEY GUIS, LET'S FLY THE CHINESE PLAYERS TO PLAY IN GSL EVERY SEASON. THAT'LL WORK OUT GREAT. I'M SURE ACCOMODATION IN SEOUL IS COMPLETELY FREE AND THIS IS AN AWESOME PRACTICAL IDEA.

While I agree with you on the subject content-wise, I (and I think I'm not alone in this) would greatly appreciate it, if you wouldn't go ad hominem in every discussion you take part in, just because they didn't think something completely through. Not offending people generally leads to a more constructive environment.


And I would appreciate it if you did not engage in the fallacy fallacy. The only ad hominem that occurred in that post was the first line. The rest of the post was completely valid. Detecting a fallacy does not win you the argument, nor does it score you points.


Woah now that's not entirely true.

If a debater's argument is based AROUND a fallacy, then I'm definitely going to score points if i point that out.

Not that's what happened in this case, but just saying.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
VasHeR
Profile Joined June 2011
166 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-04 18:26:45
June 04 2014 18:26 GMT
#134
nvm, gl
Xoronius
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany6362 Posts
June 04 2014 18:27 GMT
#135
On June 05 2014 03:23 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2014 03:02 Xoronius wrote:
On June 05 2014 02:54 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On June 05 2014 02:53 m0ck wrote:
On June 05 2014 02:49 Darkhorse wrote:
On June 05 2014 02:45 shid0x wrote:
Wouldn't a real soft region block be 1000 dollars for players on the american continent and 500 dollars for asians ?
Blizzard logic never stops amazing me.

How hard are you trying to screw over Chinese and Taiwanese players right now?

And to be quite honest, if the system allows Korean players to qualify, the system shouldn't screw them over on travel costs right after. Think how much money a team like Axiom or Liquid would spend to send their players to WCS AM without this help.

Yes, just imagine how much it would cost them to fly out their players to WCS NA. Of course, their players could participate in GSL. The WCS tournament that takes place around the corner. But no, they would rather make a fly-by to America, and by god they should be compensated for doing that.


You are out of your mind.

HEY GUIS, LET'S FLY THE CHINESE PLAYERS TO PLAY IN GSL EVERY SEASON. THAT'LL WORK OUT GREAT. I'M SURE ACCOMODATION IN SEOUL IS COMPLETELY FREE AND THIS IS AN AWESOME PRACTICAL IDEA.

While I agree with you on the subject content-wise, I (and I think I'm not alone in this) would greatly appreciate it, if you wouldn't go ad hominem in every discussion you take part in, just because they didn't think something completely through. Not offending people generally leads to a more constructive environment.


And I would appreciate it if you did not engage in the fallacy fallacy. The only ad hominem that occurred in that post was the first line. The rest of the post was completely valid. Detecting a fallacy does not win you the argument, nor does it score you points.

Sorry, I was only referring to the first line, I should have made that clear. I'll edit the quote to not confuse future readers. Also as I said, I don't want to win the argument against you, as I am on on your side here.
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
June 04 2014 18:30 GMT
#136
So yea, sounds like Major should go to save money.
Moderator
eScaper-tsunami
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada313 Posts
June 04 2014 18:30 GMT
#137
On June 05 2014 03:21 sAsImre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2014 03:19 xuanzue wrote:
On June 05 2014 03:15 eScaper-tsunami wrote:
On June 05 2014 03:07 jakethesnake wrote:
On June 05 2014 03:02 eScaper-tsunami wrote:
On June 05 2014 02:54 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On June 05 2014 02:53 m0ck wrote:
On June 05 2014 02:49 Darkhorse wrote:
On June 05 2014 02:45 shid0x wrote:
Wouldn't a real soft region block be 1000 dollars for players on the american continent and 500 dollars for asians ?
Blizzard logic never stops amazing me.

How hard are you trying to screw over Chinese and Taiwanese players right now?

And to be quite honest, if the system allows Korean players to qualify, the system shouldn't screw them over on travel costs right after. Think how much money a team like Axiom or Liquid would spend to send their players to WCS AM without this help.

Yes, just imagine how much it would cost them to fly out their players to WCS NA. Of course, their players could participate in GSL. The WCS tournament that takes place around the corner. But no, they would rather make a fly-by to America, and by god they should be compensated for doing that.


You are out of your mind.

HEY GUIS, LET'S FLY THE CHINESE PLAYERS TO PLAY IN GSL EVERY SEASON. THAT'LL WORK OUT GREAT. I'M SURE ACCOMODATION IN SEOUL IS COMPLETELY FREE AND THIS IS AN AWESOME PRACTICAL IDEA.

Actually this is essentially the root of the problem. There is no WCS Asia. GSL has always been a different format from current WCS tournaments - online play, then offline play. Blizzard needs to step up and start explore new solutions to better accomodate each region. There's a surplus of korean players flying all over the world incurring high travel costs, it's time to get a 2nd Asiatic Tournament and full region lock on WCS AM/EU.


Full region lock would kill WCS AM. Right now there aren't enough consistent and good AM players to bring in viewers. The tournament would get abysmal viewer numbers, be plagued with forfeits, and quickly become irrelevant. Plus, isolating AM players from the koreans isn't doing them any favours either. Playing against the Koreans who are better players causes AM players to have to work harder and play better if they want to compete and only raises the level of play in AM. I like the soft-region lock we have now and if it became AM only players, I would probably lose a lot of interest.


3.) The difference is that GSL is FULL REGION LOCKED.


exaggeration is a way of lie


it's just a straight up lie. the GSL is just a full lan event.

*sigh* can't believe I have to explain this.
WCS AM , the AM qualifiers require the players to live inside AM to participate. While there are other qualifiers for outsiders with limited openings. Hence why violet participated in the AM portion of the qualifiers, and therefore soft region lock
GSL, due to the format, all players have to be in korea for the qualifiers, hence FULL REGION LOCK.
RuhRoh is my herO
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33678 Posts
June 04 2014 18:30 GMT
#138
On June 05 2014 03:23 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2014 03:02 Xoronius wrote:
On June 05 2014 02:54 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On June 05 2014 02:53 m0ck wrote:
On June 05 2014 02:49 Darkhorse wrote:
On June 05 2014 02:45 shid0x wrote:
Wouldn't a real soft region block be 1000 dollars for players on the american continent and 500 dollars for asians ?
Blizzard logic never stops amazing me.

How hard are you trying to screw over Chinese and Taiwanese players right now?

And to be quite honest, if the system allows Korean players to qualify, the system shouldn't screw them over on travel costs right after. Think how much money a team like Axiom or Liquid would spend to send their players to WCS AM without this help.

Yes, just imagine how much it would cost them to fly out their players to WCS NA. Of course, their players could participate in GSL. The WCS tournament that takes place around the corner. But no, they would rather make a fly-by to America, and by god they should be compensated for doing that.


You are out of your mind.

HEY GUIS, LET'S FLY THE CHINESE PLAYERS TO PLAY IN GSL EVERY SEASON. THAT'LL WORK OUT GREAT. I'M SURE ACCOMODATION IN SEOUL IS COMPLETELY FREE AND THIS IS AN AWESOME PRACTICAL IDEA.

While I agree with you on the subject content-wise, I (and I think I'm not alone in this) would greatly appreciate it, if you wouldn't go ad hominem in every discussion you take part in, just because they didn't think something completely through. Not offending people generally leads to a more constructive environment.


And I would appreciate it if you did not engage in the fallacy fallacy. The only ad hominem that occurred in that post was the first line. The rest of the post was completely valid. Detecting a fallacy does not win you the argument, nor does it score you points.


jesus christ

he just asked you to be a little nicer. you're the one going into some kind of tryhard mode citing logical falacies and shit
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-04 18:35:45
June 04 2014 18:32 GMT
#139
On June 05 2014 03:30 eScaper-tsunami wrote:
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On June 05 2014 03:21 sAsImre wrote:
On June 05 2014 03:19 xuanzue wrote:
On June 05 2014 03:15 eScaper-tsunami wrote:
On June 05 2014 03:07 jakethesnake wrote:
On June 05 2014 03:02 eScaper-tsunami wrote:
On June 05 2014 02:54 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On June 05 2014 02:53 m0ck wrote:
On June 05 2014 02:49 Darkhorse wrote:
On June 05 2014 02:45 shid0x wrote:
Wouldn't a real soft region block be 1000 dollars for players on the american continent and 500 dollars for asians ?
Blizzard logic never stops amazing me.

How hard are you trying to screw over Chinese and Taiwanese players right now?

And to be quite honest, if the system allows Korean players to qualify, the system shouldn't screw them over on travel costs right after. Think how much money a team like Axiom or Liquid would spend to send their players to WCS AM without this help.

Yes, just imagine how much it would cost them to fly out their players to WCS NA. Of course, their players could participate in GSL. The WCS tournament that takes place around the corner. But no, they would rather make a fly-by to America, and by god they should be compensated for doing that.


You are out of your mind.

HEY GUIS, LET'S FLY THE CHINESE PLAYERS TO PLAY IN GSL EVERY SEASON. THAT'LL WORK OUT GREAT. I'M SURE ACCOMODATION IN SEOUL IS COMPLETELY FREE AND THIS IS AN AWESOME PRACTICAL IDEA.

Actually this is essentially the root of the problem. There is no WCS Asia. GSL has always been a different format from current WCS tournaments - online play, then offline play. Blizzard needs to step up and start explore new solutions to better accomodate each region. There's a surplus of korean players flying all over the world incurring high travel costs, it's time to get a 2nd Asiatic Tournament and full region lock on WCS AM/EU.


Full region lock would kill WCS AM. Right now there aren't enough consistent and good AM players to bring in viewers. The tournament would get abysmal viewer numbers, be plagued with forfeits, and quickly become irrelevant. Plus, isolating AM players from the koreans isn't doing them any favours either. Playing against the Koreans who are better players causes AM players to have to work harder and play better if they want to compete and only raises the level of play in AM. I like the soft-region lock we have now and if it became AM only players, I would probably lose a lot of interest.


3.) The difference is that GSL is FULL REGION LOCKED.


exaggeration is a way of lie


it's just a straight up lie. the GSL is just a full lan event.

*sigh* can't believe I have to explain this.
WCS AM , the AM qualifiers require the players to live inside AM to participate. While there are other qualifiers for outsiders with limited openings. Hence why violet participated in the AM portion of the qualifiers, and therefore soft region lock
GSL, due to the format, all players have to be in korea for the qualifiers, hence FULL REGION LOCK.


if for you a region lock is because you've to be somewhere to play a qualifier i can't do anything...

the real rule is
Restrictions:

You must be at least Master league on the European server.
You must be a European citizen or posses a working visa for a European country.
Zest fanboy.
dyDrawer
Profile Joined September 2012
Canada438 Posts
June 04 2014 18:32 GMT
#140
Well, I'm not complaining if this means Courage gets a shot at Ro16.
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