EPTBlizzard logic never stops amazing me.
MajOr won't forfeit WCS Ro16 and this thread was terrible…
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shid0x
Korea (South)5014 Posts
Blizzard logic never stops amazing me. | ||
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AWalker9
United Kingdom7229 Posts
On June 05 2014 02:45 shid0x wrote: Wouldn't a real soft region block be 1000 dollars for players on the american continent and 500 dollars for asians ? Blizzard logic never stops amazing me. No because the travel costs between the two are widely disproportionate. | ||
Darkhorse
United States23455 Posts
On June 05 2014 02:45 shid0x wrote: Wouldn't a real soft region block be 1000 dollars for players on the american continent and 500 dollars for asians ? Blizzard logic never stops amazing me. How hard are you trying to screw over Chinese and Taiwanese players right now? And to be quite honest, if the system allows Korean players to qualify, the system shouldn't screw them over on travel costs right after. Think how much money a team like Axiom or Liquid would spend to send their players to WCS AM without this help. | ||
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Ctone23
United States1841 Posts
On June 05 2014 02:48 AWalker9 wrote: No because the travel costs between the two are widely disproportionate. Less opportunity/incentive for our-of-region players... but yeah, never going to happen. | ||
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eScaper-tsunami
Canada313 Posts
On June 05 2014 02:34 TotalBiscuit wrote: It's unlikely he will even have to book them. ESL will most likely handle it for him, they certainly did last season. Well wasn't last season the exception where they (WCS NA Players) had to fly to Europe due to NASL shutting down and all player travels were fully subsidized? Regardless of what happened last season, I'm still in shock that Blizzard didn't fully covered travel for all players every season. Yes, it's expensive, but there will be times where players have to drop their attendance mid-tournament due to unpaid-costs. | ||
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On June 05 2014 02:45 shid0x wrote: Wouldn't a real soft region block be 1000 dollars for players on the american continent and 500 dollars for asians ? Blizzard logic never stops amazing me. Blizzards logic is that punishing the better players and their teams is a bad idea. I tend to agree with them. There is no point in slamming the gate after the horses have long since bolted. Americans are not good enough to compete en-masse in WCS NA as it currently stands and those that did earn their spots should not be punished for that. A proper NA league should be established for NA players but good luck finding anyone willing to run it. The viewership isn't there and the players keep forfeiting whenever one of us tries to set something like that up, so wtf. The prevailing opinion is that it's a lost cause and it's hard to disagree with that right now. And to be quite honest, if the system allows Korean players to qualify, the system shouldn't screw them over on travel costs right after. Think how much money a team like Axiom or Liquid would spend to send their players to WCS AM without this help. Flight costs last year were upwards of $15,000 for WCS America alone. To call it crippling would be an understatement. | ||
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Silvanel
Poland4769 Posts
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m0ck
4194 Posts
On June 05 2014 02:49 Darkhorse wrote: How hard are you trying to screw over Chinese and Taiwanese players right now? And to be quite honest, if the system allows Korean players to qualify, the system shouldn't screw them over on travel costs right after. Think how much money a team like Axiom or Liquid would spend to send their players to WCS AM without this help. Yes, just imagine how much it would cost them to fly out their players to WCS NA. Of course, their players could participate in GSL. The WCS tournament that takes place around the corner. But no, they would rather make a fly-by to America, and by god they should be compensated for doing that. | ||
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B-rye88
Canada168 Posts
On June 05 2014 02:51 Silvanel wrote: Well, he really played it badly. Even if he lives in some remote part of Mexico and getting to Mexico City will cost him a lot of money and time he certainly had other options. He could ask community to chip in. I am sure theres a lot of people who would gladly support mannered player from their own region in his travel expanses. Or realize that being the sole North American to qualify to the Ro16 could probably get him onto a team willing to pay for this travel costs if he could act like a reasonable human. | ||
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imre
France9263 Posts
On June 05 2014 02:53 m0ck wrote: Yes, just imagine how much it would cost them to fly out their players to WCS NA. Of course, their players could participate in GSL. The WCS tournament that takes place around the corner. But no, they would rather make a fly-by to America, and by god they should be compensated for doing that. if you switch the WCS NA prize pool to code A/B i'm ok with that. if not there is 0 point to hand a ton of cash to the NA scene right now. | ||
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On June 05 2014 02:53 m0ck wrote: Yes, just imagine how much it would cost them to fly out their players to WCS NA. Of course, their players could participate in GSL. The WCS tournament that takes place around the corner. But no, they would rather make a fly-by to America, and by god they should be compensated for doing that. You are out of your mind. HEY GUIS, LET'S FLY THE CHINESE PLAYERS TO PLAY IN GSL EVERY SEASON. THAT'LL WORK OUT GREAT. I'M SURE ACCOMODATION IN SEOUL IS COMPLETELY FREE AND THIS IS AN AWESOME PRACTICAL IDEA. | ||
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Darkhorse
United States23455 Posts
On June 05 2014 02:53 m0ck wrote: Yes, just imagine how much it would cost them to fly out their players to WCS NA. Of course, their players could participate in GSL. The WCS tournament that takes place around the corner. But no, they would rather make a fly-by to America, and by god they should be compensated for doing that. If you took all of the Koreans out of AM and EU and put them in the GSL the Korean WCS would be so oversaturated that you'd see tons of star talent in Code B or retired. And of course you completely ignored the plight of Chinese/Taiwanese/SEA players who don't have their own region and therefore pretty much have to play in AM. If you think they should play in GSL because it's "closer" then I invite you to come up with a way for them to travel to and LIVE IN Korea for cheaper than they could play in WCS America. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16125 Posts
On June 05 2014 01:38 marcesr wrote: Blizzard should stop giving 1k to Koreans immediately. Why would you subsidize players ruining your own tournament? Ruining? More like keeping it relevant. | ||
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Ctone23
United States1841 Posts
On June 05 2014 02:51 Silvanel wrote: Well, he really played it badly. Even if he lives in some remote part of Mexico and getting to Mexico City will cost him a lot of money and time he certainly had other options. He could ask community to chip in. I am sure theres a lot of people who would gladly support mannered player from their own region in his travel expanses. I agree, really poor attitude. His entitlement is spelled out in WCS policy and procedure. Unfortunate it may not cover every "penny" as major put it, but there are ways around it. For him to think he is mistreated is borderline insulting to other players who gave their all only to fall short in WCS. | ||
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Xoronius
Germany6362 Posts
While I agree with you on the subject content-wise, I (and I think I'm not alone in this) would greatly appreciate it, if you wouldn't go ad hominem in every discussion you take part in, just because they didn't think something completely through. Not offending people generally leads to a more constructive environment. | ||
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eScaper-tsunami
Canada313 Posts
On June 05 2014 02:54 TotalBiscuit wrote: You are out of your mind. HEY GUIS, LET'S FLY THE CHINESE PLAYERS TO PLAY IN GSL EVERY SEASON. THAT'LL WORK OUT GREAT. I'M SURE ACCOMODATION IN SEOUL IS COMPLETELY FREE AND THIS IS AN AWESOME PRACTICAL IDEA. Actually this is essentially the root of the problem. There is no WCS Asia. GSL has always been a different format from current WCS tournaments - online play, then offline play. Blizzard needs to step up and start explore new solutions to better accomodate each region. There's a surplus of korean players flying all over the world incurring high travel costs, it's time to get a 2nd Asiatic Tournament and full region lock on WCS AM/EU. | ||
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Squat
Sweden7978 Posts
On June 05 2014 02:45 shid0x wrote: Wouldn't a real soft region block be 1000 dollars for players on the american continent and 500 dollars for asians ? Blizzard logic never stops amazing me. Making it a pain in the ass for non NA players to attend to discourage them from doing so is a really awful idea. It smacks of cowardice and favoritism. Either implement an actual region lock or don't. | ||
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KingFool
Canada428 Posts
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Xoronius
Germany6362 Posts
On June 05 2014 03:03 KingFool wrote: so.. would courage get 1k? That would be ironic. He would get 1k, since flights from china are a lot more expensive then flights from Mexico. | ||
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Faust852
Luxembourg4004 Posts
+ It would kill so much great teams with koreans players that rely on "foreigners sponsors" like TL, EG, Axiom... | ||
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