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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18869 Posts
June 04 2014 18:32 GMT
#141
Waxangel telling someone to be nice? This thread is great.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
June 04 2014 18:32 GMT
#142
On June 05 2014 03:30 Waxangel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2014 03:23 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On June 05 2014 03:02 Xoronius wrote:
On June 05 2014 02:54 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On June 05 2014 02:53 m0ck wrote:
On June 05 2014 02:49 Darkhorse wrote:
On June 05 2014 02:45 shid0x wrote:
Wouldn't a real soft region block be 1000 dollars for players on the american continent and 500 dollars for asians ?
Blizzard logic never stops amazing me.

How hard are you trying to screw over Chinese and Taiwanese players right now?

And to be quite honest, if the system allows Korean players to qualify, the system shouldn't screw them over on travel costs right after. Think how much money a team like Axiom or Liquid would spend to send their players to WCS AM without this help.

Yes, just imagine how much it would cost them to fly out their players to WCS NA. Of course, their players could participate in GSL. The WCS tournament that takes place around the corner. But no, they would rather make a fly-by to America, and by god they should be compensated for doing that.


You are out of your mind.

HEY GUIS, LET'S FLY THE CHINESE PLAYERS TO PLAY IN GSL EVERY SEASON. THAT'LL WORK OUT GREAT. I'M SURE ACCOMODATION IN SEOUL IS COMPLETELY FREE AND THIS IS AN AWESOME PRACTICAL IDEA.

While I agree with you on the subject content-wise, I (and I think I'm not alone in this) would greatly appreciate it, if you wouldn't go ad hominem in every discussion you take part in, just because they didn't think something completely through. Not offending people generally leads to a more constructive environment.


And I would appreciate it if you did not engage in the fallacy fallacy. The only ad hominem that occurred in that post was the first line. The rest of the post was completely valid. Detecting a fallacy does not win you the argument, nor does it score you points.


jesus christ

he just asked you to be a little nicer. you're the one going into some kind of tryhard mode citing logical falacies and shit


Wax whatever you're huffing, quit it. Massively overreacting for no reason doesn't score any points either.

Only person I'm insulting in this thread is MajOr and he deserves every bit of it.
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
June 04 2014 18:35 GMT
#143
The title is misleading, he didn't say anything about forfeit. Wax fuelling the drama .

It's a really unprofessional way to handle things by him though, it's laughable. Why complain now after you qualify.... Also the general way of acting shows it's no surprise he had so many different teams I guess.
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ssxsilver
Profile Joined June 2007
United States4409 Posts
June 04 2014 18:35 GMT
#144
On June 05 2014 03:32 farvacola wrote:
Waxangel telling someone to be nice? This thread is great.

Will someone please tell me where to point my pitchfork!?
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
June 04 2014 18:36 GMT
#145
On June 05 2014 03:35 ssxsilver wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2014 03:32 farvacola wrote:
Waxangel telling someone to be nice? This thread is great.

Will someone please tell me where to point my pitchfork!?


blizzard. in doubt always toward them
Zest fanboy.
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
June 04 2014 18:37 GMT
#146
On June 05 2014 03:35 ssxsilver wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2014 03:32 farvacola wrote:
Waxangel telling someone to be nice? This thread is great.

Will someone please tell me where to point my pitchfork!?

its the internet. always the corporation. because thinking is hard.
Xoronius
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany6362 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-04 18:39:10
June 04 2014 18:38 GMT
#147
On June 05 2014 03:35 ssxsilver wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2014 03:32 farvacola wrote:
Waxangel telling someone to be nice? This thread is great.

Will someone please tell me where to point my pitchfork!?

I rolled a die. The result was to point your pitchfork at Ctone23. Personally I don't think, that he did anything wrong, but so is the nature of pitchforks, they don't always make sence.
Squat
Profile Joined September 2013
Sweden7978 Posts
June 04 2014 18:39 GMT
#148
On June 05 2014 03:32 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2014 03:30 Waxangel wrote:
On June 05 2014 03:23 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On June 05 2014 03:02 Xoronius wrote:
On June 05 2014 02:54 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On June 05 2014 02:53 m0ck wrote:
On June 05 2014 02:49 Darkhorse wrote:
On June 05 2014 02:45 shid0x wrote:
Wouldn't a real soft region block be 1000 dollars for players on the american continent and 500 dollars for asians ?
Blizzard logic never stops amazing me.

How hard are you trying to screw over Chinese and Taiwanese players right now?

And to be quite honest, if the system allows Korean players to qualify, the system shouldn't screw them over on travel costs right after. Think how much money a team like Axiom or Liquid would spend to send their players to WCS AM without this help.

Yes, just imagine how much it would cost them to fly out their players to WCS NA. Of course, their players could participate in GSL. The WCS tournament that takes place around the corner. But no, they would rather make a fly-by to America, and by god they should be compensated for doing that.


You are out of your mind.

HEY GUIS, LET'S FLY THE CHINESE PLAYERS TO PLAY IN GSL EVERY SEASON. THAT'LL WORK OUT GREAT. I'M SURE ACCOMODATION IN SEOUL IS COMPLETELY FREE AND THIS IS AN AWESOME PRACTICAL IDEA.

While I agree with you on the subject content-wise, I (and I think I'm not alone in this) would greatly appreciate it, if you wouldn't go ad hominem in every discussion you take part in, just because they didn't think something completely through. Not offending people generally leads to a more constructive environment.


And I would appreciate it if you did not engage in the fallacy fallacy. The only ad hominem that occurred in that post was the first line. The rest of the post was completely valid. Detecting a fallacy does not win you the argument, nor does it score you points.


jesus christ

he just asked you to be a little nicer. you're the one going into some kind of tryhard mode citing logical falacies and shit


Wax whatever you're huffing, quit it. Massively overreacting for no reason doesn't score any points either.

Only person I'm insulting in this thread is MajOr and he deserves every bit of it.

I think he was requesting a slight dialing back on some of the abrasiveness. I understand and sympathize with the fact that you are going through some rough shit and I truly wish you all the best, just try to remember that you have friends as well as foes on the internet.
"Digital. They have digital. What is digital?" - Donald J Trump
eScaper-tsunami
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada313 Posts
June 04 2014 18:40 GMT
#149
On June 05 2014 03:32 sAsImre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2014 03:30 eScaper-tsunami wrote:
On June 05 2014 03:21 sAsImre wrote:
On June 05 2014 03:19 xuanzue wrote:
On June 05 2014 03:15 eScaper-tsunami wrote:
On June 05 2014 03:07 jakethesnake wrote:
On June 05 2014 03:02 eScaper-tsunami wrote:
On June 05 2014 02:54 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On June 05 2014 02:53 m0ck wrote:
On June 05 2014 02:49 Darkhorse wrote:
[quote]
How hard are you trying to screw over Chinese and Taiwanese players right now?

And to be quite honest, if the system allows Korean players to qualify, the system shouldn't screw them over on travel costs right after. Think how much money a team like Axiom or Liquid would spend to send their players to WCS AM without this help.

Yes, just imagine how much it would cost them to fly out their players to WCS NA. Of course, their players could participate in GSL. The WCS tournament that takes place around the corner. But no, they would rather make a fly-by to America, and by god they should be compensated for doing that.


You are out of your mind.

HEY GUIS, LET'S FLY THE CHINESE PLAYERS TO PLAY IN GSL EVERY SEASON. THAT'LL WORK OUT GREAT. I'M SURE ACCOMODATION IN SEOUL IS COMPLETELY FREE AND THIS IS AN AWESOME PRACTICAL IDEA.

Actually this is essentially the root of the problem. There is no WCS Asia. GSL has always been a different format from current WCS tournaments - online play, then offline play. Blizzard needs to step up and start explore new solutions to better accomodate each region. There's a surplus of korean players flying all over the world incurring high travel costs, it's time to get a 2nd Asiatic Tournament and full region lock on WCS AM/EU.


Full region lock would kill WCS AM. Right now there aren't enough consistent and good AM players to bring in viewers. The tournament would get abysmal viewer numbers, be plagued with forfeits, and quickly become irrelevant. Plus, isolating AM players from the koreans isn't doing them any favours either. Playing against the Koreans who are better players causes AM players to have to work harder and play better if they want to compete and only raises the level of play in AM. I like the soft-region lock we have now and if it became AM only players, I would probably lose a lot of interest.


3.) The difference is that GSL is FULL REGION LOCKED.


exaggeration is a way of lie


it's just a straight up lie. the GSL is just a full lan event.

*sigh* can't believe I have to explain this.
WCS AM , the AM qualifiers require the players to live inside AM to participate. While there are other qualifiers for outsiders with limited openings. Hence why violet participated in the AM portion of the qualifiers, and therefore soft region lock
GSL, due to the format, all players have to be in korea for the qualifiers, hence FULL REGION LOCK.


if for you a region lock is because you've to be somewhere to play a qualifier i can't do anything...

the real rule is
Show nested quote +
Restrictions:

You must be at least Master league on the European server.
You must be a European citizen or posses a working visa for a European country.

It implies it. All the foreigners who tried for GSL essentially lived in Korea for a period of time. Artosis, Scarlette and State. And let's be honest, GSL doesn't have dedicated qualifiers for players outside of Korea. Never had, and never will. And I'll state it again, which makes it essentially FULL REGION LOCKED.
RuhRoh is my herO
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
June 04 2014 18:41 GMT
#150
On June 05 2014 03:40 eScaper-tsunami wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2014 03:32 sAsImre wrote:
On June 05 2014 03:30 eScaper-tsunami wrote:
On June 05 2014 03:21 sAsImre wrote:
On June 05 2014 03:19 xuanzue wrote:
On June 05 2014 03:15 eScaper-tsunami wrote:
On June 05 2014 03:07 jakethesnake wrote:
On June 05 2014 03:02 eScaper-tsunami wrote:
On June 05 2014 02:54 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On June 05 2014 02:53 m0ck wrote:
[quote]
Yes, just imagine how much it would cost them to fly out their players to WCS NA. Of course, their players could participate in GSL. The WCS tournament that takes place around the corner. But no, they would rather make a fly-by to America, and by god they should be compensated for doing that.


You are out of your mind.

HEY GUIS, LET'S FLY THE CHINESE PLAYERS TO PLAY IN GSL EVERY SEASON. THAT'LL WORK OUT GREAT. I'M SURE ACCOMODATION IN SEOUL IS COMPLETELY FREE AND THIS IS AN AWESOME PRACTICAL IDEA.

Actually this is essentially the root of the problem. There is no WCS Asia. GSL has always been a different format from current WCS tournaments - online play, then offline play. Blizzard needs to step up and start explore new solutions to better accomodate each region. There's a surplus of korean players flying all over the world incurring high travel costs, it's time to get a 2nd Asiatic Tournament and full region lock on WCS AM/EU.


Full region lock would kill WCS AM. Right now there aren't enough consistent and good AM players to bring in viewers. The tournament would get abysmal viewer numbers, be plagued with forfeits, and quickly become irrelevant. Plus, isolating AM players from the koreans isn't doing them any favours either. Playing against the Koreans who are better players causes AM players to have to work harder and play better if they want to compete and only raises the level of play in AM. I like the soft-region lock we have now and if it became AM only players, I would probably lose a lot of interest.


3.) The difference is that GSL is FULL REGION LOCKED.


exaggeration is a way of lie


it's just a straight up lie. the GSL is just a full lan event.

*sigh* can't believe I have to explain this.
WCS AM , the AM qualifiers require the players to live inside AM to participate. While there are other qualifiers for outsiders with limited openings. Hence why violet participated in the AM portion of the qualifiers, and therefore soft region lock
GSL, due to the format, all players have to be in korea for the qualifiers, hence FULL REGION LOCK.


if for you a region lock is because you've to be somewhere to play a qualifier i can't do anything...

the real rule is
Restrictions:

You must be at least Master league on the European server.
You must be a European citizen or posses a working visa for a European country.

It implies it. All the foreigners who tried for GSL essentially lived in Korea for a period of time. Artosis, Scarlette and State. And let's be honest, GSL doesn't have dedicated qualifiers for players outside of Korea. Never had, and never will. And I'll state it again, which makes it essentially FULL REGION LOCKED.


writing it in caps doesn't make it any truer.
Zest fanboy.
gingerfluffmuff
Profile Joined January 2011
Austria4570 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-04 18:43:49
June 04 2014 18:43 GMT
#151
On June 05 2014 03:41 sAsImre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2014 03:40 eScaper-tsunami wrote:
On June 05 2014 03:32 sAsImre wrote:
On June 05 2014 03:30 eScaper-tsunami wrote:
On June 05 2014 03:21 sAsImre wrote:
On June 05 2014 03:19 xuanzue wrote:
On June 05 2014 03:15 eScaper-tsunami wrote:
On June 05 2014 03:07 jakethesnake wrote:
On June 05 2014 03:02 eScaper-tsunami wrote:
On June 05 2014 02:54 TotalBiscuit wrote:
[quote]

You are out of your mind.

HEY GUIS, LET'S FLY THE CHINESE PLAYERS TO PLAY IN GSL EVERY SEASON. THAT'LL WORK OUT GREAT. I'M SURE ACCOMODATION IN SEOUL IS COMPLETELY FREE AND THIS IS AN AWESOME PRACTICAL IDEA.

Actually this is essentially the root of the problem. There is no WCS Asia. GSL has always been a different format from current WCS tournaments - online play, then offline play. Blizzard needs to step up and start explore new solutions to better accomodate each region. There's a surplus of korean players flying all over the world incurring high travel costs, it's time to get a 2nd Asiatic Tournament and full region lock on WCS AM/EU.


Full region lock would kill WCS AM. Right now there aren't enough consistent and good AM players to bring in viewers. The tournament would get abysmal viewer numbers, be plagued with forfeits, and quickly become irrelevant. Plus, isolating AM players from the koreans isn't doing them any favours either. Playing against the Koreans who are better players causes AM players to have to work harder and play better if they want to compete and only raises the level of play in AM. I like the soft-region lock we have now and if it became AM only players, I would probably lose a lot of interest.


3.) The difference is that GSL is FULL REGION LOCKED.


exaggeration is a way of lie


it's just a straight up lie. the GSL is just a full lan event.

*sigh* can't believe I have to explain this.
WCS AM , the AM qualifiers require the players to live inside AM to participate. While there are other qualifiers for outsiders with limited openings. Hence why violet participated in the AM portion of the qualifiers, and therefore soft region lock
GSL, due to the format, all players have to be in korea for the qualifiers, hence FULL REGION LOCK.


if for you a region lock is because you've to be somewhere to play a qualifier i can't do anything...

the real rule is
Restrictions:

You must be at least Master league on the European server.
You must be a European citizen or posses a working visa for a European country.

It implies it. All the foreigners who tried for GSL essentially lived in Korea for a period of time. Artosis, Scarlette and State. And let's be honest, GSL doesn't have dedicated qualifiers for players outside of Korea. Never had, and never will. And I'll state it again, which makes it essentially FULL REGION LOCKED.


writing it in caps doesn't make it any truer.

Let him be. I guess he is angry that there are no foreigners in Ro8 GSL b/c of region lock. edit. i mean full region lock ofc.
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Faust852
Profile Joined February 2012
Luxembourg4004 Posts
June 04 2014 18:43 GMT
#152
On June 05 2014 03:40 eScaper-tsunami wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2014 03:32 sAsImre wrote:
On June 05 2014 03:30 eScaper-tsunami wrote:
On June 05 2014 03:21 sAsImre wrote:
On June 05 2014 03:19 xuanzue wrote:
On June 05 2014 03:15 eScaper-tsunami wrote:
On June 05 2014 03:07 jakethesnake wrote:
On June 05 2014 03:02 eScaper-tsunami wrote:
On June 05 2014 02:54 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On June 05 2014 02:53 m0ck wrote:
[quote]
Yes, just imagine how much it would cost them to fly out their players to WCS NA. Of course, their players could participate in GSL. The WCS tournament that takes place around the corner. But no, they would rather make a fly-by to America, and by god they should be compensated for doing that.


You are out of your mind.

HEY GUIS, LET'S FLY THE CHINESE PLAYERS TO PLAY IN GSL EVERY SEASON. THAT'LL WORK OUT GREAT. I'M SURE ACCOMODATION IN SEOUL IS COMPLETELY FREE AND THIS IS AN AWESOME PRACTICAL IDEA.

Actually this is essentially the root of the problem. There is no WCS Asia. GSL has always been a different format from current WCS tournaments - online play, then offline play. Blizzard needs to step up and start explore new solutions to better accomodate each region. There's a surplus of korean players flying all over the world incurring high travel costs, it's time to get a 2nd Asiatic Tournament and full region lock on WCS AM/EU.


Full region lock would kill WCS AM. Right now there aren't enough consistent and good AM players to bring in viewers. The tournament would get abysmal viewer numbers, be plagued with forfeits, and quickly become irrelevant. Plus, isolating AM players from the koreans isn't doing them any favours either. Playing against the Koreans who are better players causes AM players to have to work harder and play better if they want to compete and only raises the level of play in AM. I like the soft-region lock we have now and if it became AM only players, I would probably lose a lot of interest.


3.) The difference is that GSL is FULL REGION LOCKED.


exaggeration is a way of lie


it's just a straight up lie. the GSL is just a full lan event.

*sigh* can't believe I have to explain this.
WCS AM , the AM qualifiers require the players to live inside AM to participate. While there are other qualifiers for outsiders with limited openings. Hence why violet participated in the AM portion of the qualifiers, and therefore soft region lock
GSL, due to the format, all players have to be in korea for the qualifiers, hence FULL REGION LOCK.


if for you a region lock is because you've to be somewhere to play a qualifier i can't do anything...

the real rule is
Restrictions:

You must be at least Master league on the European server.
You must be a European citizen or posses a working visa for a European country.

It implies it. All the foreigners who tried for GSL essentially lived in Korea for a period of time. Artosis, Scarlette and State. And let's be honest, GSL doesn't have dedicated qualifiers for players outside of Korea. Never had, and never will. And I'll state it again, which makes it essentially FULL REGION LOCKED.


So every MLG with open bracket are region locked, every like DH, etc.
eScaper-tsunami
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada313 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-04 18:47:01
June 04 2014 18:45 GMT
#153
On June 05 2014 03:41 sAsImre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2014 03:40 eScaper-tsunami wrote:
On June 05 2014 03:32 sAsImre wrote:
On June 05 2014 03:30 eScaper-tsunami wrote:
On June 05 2014 03:21 sAsImre wrote:
On June 05 2014 03:19 xuanzue wrote:
On June 05 2014 03:15 eScaper-tsunami wrote:
On June 05 2014 03:07 jakethesnake wrote:
On June 05 2014 03:02 eScaper-tsunami wrote:
On June 05 2014 02:54 TotalBiscuit wrote:
[quote]

You are out of your mind.

HEY GUIS, LET'S FLY THE CHINESE PLAYERS TO PLAY IN GSL EVERY SEASON. THAT'LL WORK OUT GREAT. I'M SURE ACCOMODATION IN SEOUL IS COMPLETELY FREE AND THIS IS AN AWESOME PRACTICAL IDEA.

Actually this is essentially the root of the problem. There is no WCS Asia. GSL has always been a different format from current WCS tournaments - online play, then offline play. Blizzard needs to step up and start explore new solutions to better accomodate each region. There's a surplus of korean players flying all over the world incurring high travel costs, it's time to get a 2nd Asiatic Tournament and full region lock on WCS AM/EU.


Full region lock would kill WCS AM. Right now there aren't enough consistent and good AM players to bring in viewers. The tournament would get abysmal viewer numbers, be plagued with forfeits, and quickly become irrelevant. Plus, isolating AM players from the koreans isn't doing them any favours either. Playing against the Koreans who are better players causes AM players to have to work harder and play better if they want to compete and only raises the level of play in AM. I like the soft-region lock we have now and if it became AM only players, I would probably lose a lot of interest.


3.) The difference is that GSL is FULL REGION LOCKED.


exaggeration is a way of lie


it's just a straight up lie. the GSL is just a full lan event.

*sigh* can't believe I have to explain this.
WCS AM , the AM qualifiers require the players to live inside AM to participate. While there are other qualifiers for outsiders with limited openings. Hence why violet participated in the AM portion of the qualifiers, and therefore soft region lock
GSL, due to the format, all players have to be in korea for the qualifiers, hence FULL REGION LOCK.


if for you a region lock is because you've to be somewhere to play a qualifier i can't do anything...

the real rule is
Restrictions:

You must be at least Master league on the European server.
You must be a European citizen or posses a working visa for a European country.

It implies it. All the foreigners who tried for GSL essentially lived in Korea for a period of time. Artosis, Scarlette and State. And let's be honest, GSL doesn't have dedicated qualifiers for players outside of Korea. Never had, and never will. And I'll state it again, which makes it essentially FULL REGION LOCKED.


writing it in caps doesn't make it any truer.

too lazy to bold. full region locked happy?

edit:
On June 05 2014 03:43 Faust852 wrote:
So every MLG with open bracket are region locked, every like DH, etc.

you have to be in the region to play... think it through.
RuhRoh is my herO
Major
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Mexico539 Posts
June 04 2014 18:47 GMT
#154
First of all, i messaged everyone i know from blizzard before making tweet either a)didnt reply me back or b) didnt gave me a real response or give me stuff liek this [03/06/2014 09:01:15 p.m.] Daniel 'pHaRSiDE' Brooks: mexico is considered central america..
[03/06/2014 09:01:19 p.m.] major: rofl
[03/06/2014 09:02:05 p.m.] Daniel 'pHaRSiDE' Brooks: or not..
[03/06/2014 09:02:08 p.m.] Daniel 'pHaRSiDE' Brooks: doesn't matter to me
[03/06/2014 09:02:51 p.m.] Daniel 'pHaRSiDE' Brooks: I'm not doing the flights, so if is only $500 like I'm pretty sure it is, I guess I wish you the best of luck.

than dont give me the contact of whoever is doing the flights?

a flight from my city to lax can cost up to 700$ normally is 600-650 tho, than 100 usd per way of taxi thats another 200$ that could be almost 400$. im not rich, i dont have a team - yes koreans flights cost more but when u been doing wcs for 6 seasons and 5 of them you paid all cost for NA players than change it for this season. is not fair. especially when they said they wouldnt support KR players with travel fees when they first created WCS america, since when i was in korea i asked would u guys cover anything from my travel if i qualify for wcs am season 1? and they gave me a no. only players from NA get covered.
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Xoronius
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany6362 Posts
June 04 2014 18:48 GMT
#155
On June 05 2014 03:45 eScaper-tsunami wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2014 03:41 sAsImre wrote:
On June 05 2014 03:40 eScaper-tsunami wrote:
On June 05 2014 03:32 sAsImre wrote:
On June 05 2014 03:30 eScaper-tsunami wrote:
On June 05 2014 03:21 sAsImre wrote:
On June 05 2014 03:19 xuanzue wrote:
On June 05 2014 03:15 eScaper-tsunami wrote:
On June 05 2014 03:07 jakethesnake wrote:
On June 05 2014 03:02 eScaper-tsunami wrote:
[quote]
Actually this is essentially the root of the problem. There is no WCS Asia. GSL has always been a different format from current WCS tournaments - online play, then offline play. Blizzard needs to step up and start explore new solutions to better accomodate each region. There's a surplus of korean players flying all over the world incurring high travel costs, it's time to get a 2nd Asiatic Tournament and full region lock on WCS AM/EU.


Full region lock would kill WCS AM. Right now there aren't enough consistent and good AM players to bring in viewers. The tournament would get abysmal viewer numbers, be plagued with forfeits, and quickly become irrelevant. Plus, isolating AM players from the koreans isn't doing them any favours either. Playing against the Koreans who are better players causes AM players to have to work harder and play better if they want to compete and only raises the level of play in AM. I like the soft-region lock we have now and if it became AM only players, I would probably lose a lot of interest.


3.) The difference is that GSL is FULL REGION LOCKED.


exaggeration is a way of lie


it's just a straight up lie. the GSL is just a full lan event.

*sigh* can't believe I have to explain this.
WCS AM , the AM qualifiers require the players to live inside AM to participate. While there are other qualifiers for outsiders with limited openings. Hence why violet participated in the AM portion of the qualifiers, and therefore soft region lock
GSL, due to the format, all players have to be in korea for the qualifiers, hence FULL REGION LOCK.


if for you a region lock is because you've to be somewhere to play a qualifier i can't do anything...

the real rule is
Restrictions:

You must be at least Master league on the European server.
You must be a European citizen or posses a working visa for a European country.

It implies it. All the foreigners who tried for GSL essentially lived in Korea for a period of time. Artosis, Scarlette and State. And let's be honest, GSL doesn't have dedicated qualifiers for players outside of Korea. Never had, and never will. And I'll state it again, which makes it essentially FULL REGION LOCKED.


writing it in caps doesn't make it any truer.

too lazy to bold. full region locked happy?

edit:
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On June 05 2014 03:43 Faust852 wrote:
So every MLG with open bracket are region locked, every like DH, etc.

you have to be in the region to play... think it through.

Pls name one premier tournament other than TSL, were you don't have to be in the region to play.
Faust852
Profile Joined February 2012
Luxembourg4004 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-04 18:50:27
June 04 2014 18:49 GMT
#156
On June 05 2014 03:47 MajOr wrote:
First of all, i messaged everyone i know from blizzard before making tweet either a)didnt reply me back or b) didnt gave me a real response or give me stuff liek this [03/06/2014 09:01:15 p.m.] Daniel 'pHaRSiDE' Brooks: mexico is considered central america..
[03/06/2014 09:01:19 p.m.] major: rofl
[03/06/2014 09:02:05 p.m.] Daniel 'pHaRSiDE' Brooks: or not..
[03/06/2014 09:02:08 p.m.] Daniel 'pHaRSiDE' Brooks: doesn't matter to me
[03/06/2014 09:02:51 p.m.] Daniel 'pHaRSiDE' Brooks: I'm not doing the flights, so if is only $500 like I'm pretty sure it is, I guess I wish you the best of luck.

than dont give me the contact of whoever is doing the flights?

a flight from my city to lax can cost up to 700$ normally is 600-650 tho, than 100 usd per way of taxi thats another 200$ that could be almost 400$. im not rich, i dont have a team - yes koreans flights cost more but when u been doing wcs for 6 seasons and 5 of them you paid all cost for NA players than change it for this season. is not fair. especially when they said they wouldnt support KR players with travel fees when they first created WCS america, since when i was in korea i asked would u guys cover anything from my travel if i qualify for wcs am season 1? and they gave me a no. only players from NA get covered.


From which city are you btw?
I'm almost certains people in here could find you a flight for less than 500$. If you are from Mexico city, it's already less than 400.
baiesradu
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Romania150 Posts
June 04 2014 18:50 GMT
#157
The way that Major presented the problem is childish at best
He no longer deserves understanding from Blizzard.
Fortunately for us if he forfeits he harms himself more than anyone.
If money is all that matters he should play better so that he gets a bigger prize.
hard to root for him now in my opinion.
I love Starcraft .
MrMotionPicture
Profile Joined May 2010
United States4327 Posts
June 04 2014 18:50 GMT
#158
I hope he still plays...we need at least one player from the Americas in WCS AM.
"Elvis Presley" | Ret was looking at my post in the GSL video by Artosis. | MMA told me I look like Juanfran while we shared an elevator with Scarlett
Ctone23
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States1841 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-04 18:51:46
June 04 2014 18:50 GMT
#159
On June 05 2014 03:47 MajOr wrote:
First of all, i messaged everyone i know from blizzard before making tweet either a)didnt reply me back or b) didnt gave me a real response or give me stuff liek this [03/06/2014 09:01:15 p.m.] Daniel 'pHaRSiDE' Brooks: mexico is considered central america..
[03/06/2014 09:01:19 p.m.] major: rofl
[03/06/2014 09:02:05 p.m.] Daniel 'pHaRSiDE' Brooks: or not..
[03/06/2014 09:02:08 p.m.] Daniel 'pHaRSiDE' Brooks: doesn't matter to me
[03/06/2014 09:02:51 p.m.] Daniel 'pHaRSiDE' Brooks: I'm not doing the flights, so if is only $500 like I'm pretty sure it is, I guess I wish you the best of luck.

than dont give me the contact of whoever is doing the flights?

a flight from my city to lax can cost up to 700$ normally is 600-650 tho, than 100 usd per way of taxi thats another 200$ that could be almost 400$. im not rich, i dont have a team - yes koreans flights cost more but when u been doing wcs for 6 seasons and 5 of them you paid all cost for NA players than change it for this season. is not fair. especially when they said they wouldnt support KR players with travel fees when they first created WCS america, since when i was in korea i asked would u guys cover anything from my travel if i qualify for wcs am season 1? and they gave me a no. only players from NA get covered.



Maybe the community can help you out then. I hope you realize several other players would sacrifice a lot to be in your position. Hope it works out.

Also, you are guaranteed 3K so even if you had to borrow from someone you know you can easily pay them back. Obviously sucks if Blizzards allotment won't cover your expenses. But if you forfeit, as mentioned in this thread, you would be in 17th place and lose 1K automatically.
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TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
June 04 2014 18:52 GMT
#160
On June 05 2014 03:50 Ctone23 wrote:
Maybe the community can help you out then. I hope you realize several other players would sacrifice a lot to be in your position. Hope it works out.


I'm sure with his attitude the community will be just be falling over themselves to throw money at him.

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