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On June 05 2014 03:50 Ctone23 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2014 03:47 MajOr wrote:
First of all, i messaged everyone i know from blizzard before making tweet either a)didnt reply me back or b) didnt gave me a real response or give me stuff liek this [03/06/2014 09:01:15 p.m.] Daniel 'pHaRSiDE' Brooks: mexico is considered central america..
[03/06/2014 09:01:19 p.m.] major: rofl
[03/06/2014 09:02:05 p.m.] Daniel 'pHaRSiDE' Brooks: or not..
[03/06/2014 09:02:08 p.m.] Daniel 'pHaRSiDE' Brooks: doesn't matter to me
[03/06/2014 09:02:51 p.m.] Daniel 'pHaRSiDE' Brooks: I'm not doing the flights, so if is only $500 like I'm pretty sure it is, I guess I wish you the best of luck.
than dont give me the contact of whoever is doing the flights?
a flight from my city to lax can cost up to 700$ normally is 600-650 tho, than 100 usd per way of taxi thats another 200$ that could be almost 400$. im not rich, i dont have a team - yes koreans flights cost more but when u been doing wcs for 6 seasons and 5 of them you paid all cost for NA players than change it for this season. is not fair. especially when they said they wouldnt support KR players with travel fees when they first created WCS america, since when i was in korea i asked would u guys cover anything from my travel if i qualify for wcs am season 1? and they gave me a no. only players from NA get covered. Maybe the community can help you out then. I hope you realize several other players would sacrifice a lot to be in your position. Hope it works out.
im already paying my own stuff to MLG anaheim, that is like 2weeks before ro16 that cost me around 900 in total, 600 in plane and 300 from hotel(shared with desrow) im assuming wcs give free hotel, but im not sure i cant be sure about anything when i message whoever is supposed to know dosent really tell me anything.
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On June 05 2014 03:10 xuanzue wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2014 02:15 Technique wrote:
Be happy you get $500...
A pro would not need the tournament organizer to pay for him anyway... he's gonna win the money back and then some in the tournament. I have several friends who are chess players, they (my friends) have to pay for their travel costs, hotels, fees to enter on any tournament. so if they don't win the prize, they plainly loss money. esports is the only place where organizers must pay players to play in their tournaments. because somehow players can't loss any money ever.
I don't see chess bringing hundreds of thousands of viewers. This is a poor comparison. Blizzard doesn't do this to lose money; that is not how you operate a business. Every company has a budget for marketing: This gives them exposure of their product and brings strategic partners to the table.
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On June 05 2014 03:52 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2014 03:50 Ctone23 wrote:
Maybe the community can help you out then. I hope you realize several other players would sacrifice a lot to be in your position. Hope it works out. I'm sure with his attitude the community will be just be falling over themselves to throw money at him.
what you talking about? you read my skype nowdays? as i said i mesaged alot of people that should know about this involved with wcs, and they all ignored me what im supposed to do just sit there and do nothing? why you dont mnd your own shit.
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On June 05 2014 03:52 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2014 03:50 Ctone23 wrote:
Maybe the community can help you out then. I hope you realize several other players would sacrifice a lot to be in your position. Hope it works out. I'm sure with his attitude the community will be just be falling over themselves to throw money at him.
hey, the community supports you as well so I see no problem there
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On June 05 2014 03:54 MajOr wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2014 03:52 TotalBiscuit wrote:On June 05 2014 03:50 Ctone23 wrote:
Maybe the community can help you out then. I hope you realize several other players would sacrifice a lot to be in your position. Hope it works out. I'm sure with his attitude the community will be just be falling over themselves to throw money at him. what you talking about? you read my skype nowdays? as i said i mesaged alot of people that should know about this involved with wcs, and they all ignored me what im supposed to do just sit there and do nothing? why you dont mnd your own shit.
You're such a drama queen.
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Sounds to me like MajOr needs some help in the budgeting department.
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On June 05 2014 03:48 Xoronius wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2014 03:45 eScaper-tsunami wrote:On June 05 2014 03:41 sAsImre wrote:On June 05 2014 03:40 eScaper-tsunami wrote:On June 05 2014 03:32 sAsImre wrote:On June 05 2014 03:30 eScaper-tsunami wrote:On June 05 2014 03:21 sAsImre wrote:On June 05 2014 03:19 xuanzue wrote:On June 05 2014 03:15 eScaper-tsunami wrote:On June 05 2014 03:07 jakethesnake wrote:
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Full region lock would kill WCS AM. Right now there aren't enough consistent and good AM players to bring in viewers. The tournament would get abysmal viewer numbers, be plagued with forfeits, and quickly become irrelevant. Plus, isolating AM players from the koreans isn't doing them any favours either. Playing against the Koreans who are better players causes AM players to have to work harder and play better if they want to compete and only raises the level of play in AM. I like the soft-region lock we have now and if it became AM only players, I would probably lose a lot of interest.
3.) The difference is that GSL is FULL REGION LOCKED. exaggeration is a way of lie it's just a straight up lie. the GSL is just a full lan event. *sigh* can't believe I have to explain this. WCS AM , the AM qualifiers require the players to live inside AM to participate. While there are other qualifiers for outsiders with limited openings. Hence why violet participated in the AM portion of the qualifiers, and therefore soft region lock GSL, due to the format, all players have to be in korea for the qualifiers, hence FULL REGION LOCK. if for you a region lock is because you've to be somewhere to play a qualifier i can't do anything... the real rule is Restrictions:
You must be at least Master league on the European server.
You must be a European citizen or posses a working visa for a European country. It implies it. All the foreigners who tried for GSL essentially lived in Korea for a period of time. Artosis, Scarlette and State. And let's be honest, GSL doesn't have dedicated qualifiers for players outside of Korea. Never had, and never will. And I'll state it again, which makes it essentially FULL REGION LOCKED. writing it in caps doesn't make it any truer. too lazy to bold. full region locked happy? edit: On June 05 2014 03:43 Faust852 wrote:
So every MLG with open bracket are region locked, every like DH, etc. you have to be in the region to play... think it through. Pls name one premier tournament other than TSL, were you don't have to be in the region to play.
Most tournaments have multiple online qualifiers (IEM, NASL, HSC to name a few). Then there's usually partial/full subsidized travelling for those who qualify. Which is essentially the same as WCS format. But the difference is that GSL has none of those, there's no tournament out there that's more region locked than GSL.
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On June 05 2014 03:54 SirPinky wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2014 03:10 xuanzue wrote:On June 05 2014 02:15 Technique wrote:
Be happy you get $500...
A pro would not need the tournament organizer to pay for him anyway... he's gonna win the money back and then some in the tournament. I have several friends who are chess players, they (my friends) have to pay for their travel costs, hotels, fees to enter on any tournament. so if they don't win the prize, they plainly loss money. esports is the only place where organizers must pay players to play in their tournaments. because somehow players can't loss any money ever. I don't see chess bringing hundreds of thousands of viewers. This is a poor comparison. Blizzard doesn't do this to lose money; that is not how you operate a business. Every company has a budget for marketing: This gives them exposure of their product and brings strategic partners to the table.
If Blizzard was truly all about the bottom line, then they'd do away with WCS completely and focus on Hearthstone. WCS is, more or less, a passion project for them.
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I'm actually largely with Major on this, it does seem a bit ridiculous.
Blizzard enabled the farce that is WCS NA to develop by not region locking in the first place. It should have been (IMO) with some kind of region/residency requirement. This doesn't mean no Koreans, it means local players + the likes of Polt and Violet who have a history of engagement in the scene, and by their presence, in however small a way improve the players around them.
Why are WCS overheads so high? Why are content providers going out of business? Perhaps part of it is paying out for all these flights? Iirc (may be wrong) the WCS contract came with it certain guarantees of flight stipends right?
IMO There should also be two Asian-based WCS competitions, keep the KR one as the one of ultimate prestige, but also hold one that could encompass the rest of that area of the world. Australians are playing WCS NA because there is no other region that suits them outside of the stacked Korean region. Chinese players are playing cross-server to NA as well.
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On June 05 2014 03:54 MajOr wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2014 03:52 TotalBiscuit wrote:On June 05 2014 03:50 Ctone23 wrote:
Maybe the community can help you out then. I hope you realize several other players would sacrifice a lot to be in your position. Hope it works out. I'm sure with his attitude the community will be just be falling over themselves to throw money at him. what you talking about? you read my skype nowdays? as i said i mesaged alot of people that should know about this involved with wcs, and they all ignored me what im supposed to do just sit there and do nothing? why you dont mnd your own shit.
A quick lesson. You forfeited the right to say "mind your own shit" as soon as you posted the crap all over Twitter. You made it public, deal with the consequences.
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Can't you take the bus from the airport or something?
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On June 05 2014 03:55 eScaper-tsunami wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2014 03:48 Xoronius wrote:
Pls name one premier tournament other than TSL, were you don't have to be in the region to play. Most tournaments have multiple online qualifiers (IEM, NASL, HSC to name a few). Then there's usually partial/full subsidized travelling for those who qualify. Which is essentially the same as WCS format. But the difference is that GSL has none of those, there's no tournament out there that's more region locked than GSL.
DH also has no qualifiers, people have to pay that for themselves. EPS has no online qualifiers and still seems to get overrun by koreans next season. HSC is mostly invites, IEM partially. AFAIK at least HSC has a certain travelling budget for qualifiers as well, although that is pretty big IIRC.
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Just make a complete region lock. Its so fucking sad to see WCS NA just packed with Koreans and the odd random NA player who gets knocked out in the first or second round. Region lock and full travel expenses covered.
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On June 05 2014 03:58 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2014 03:54 MajOr wrote:On June 05 2014 03:52 TotalBiscuit wrote:On June 05 2014 03:50 Ctone23 wrote:
Maybe the community can help you out then. I hope you realize several other players would sacrifice a lot to be in your position. Hope it works out. I'm sure with his attitude the community will be just be falling over themselves to throw money at him. what you talking about? you read my skype nowdays? as i said i mesaged alot of people that should know about this involved with wcs, and they all ignored me what im supposed to do just sit there and do nothing? why you dont mnd your own shit. A quick lesson. You forfeited the right to say "mind your own shit" as soon as you posted the crap all over Twitter. You made it public, deal with the consequences.
? nope you still can deal with your own shit, you dont have to put your nose on every TL thread.
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On June 05 2014 03:58 Xoronius wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2014 03:55 eScaper-tsunami wrote:On June 05 2014 03:48 Xoronius wrote:
Pls name one premier tournament other than TSL, were you don't have to be in the region to play. Most tournaments have multiple online qualifiers (IEM, NASL, HSC to name a few). Then there's usually partial/full subsidized travelling for those who qualify. Which is essentially the same as WCS format. But the difference is that GSL has none of those, there's no tournament out there that's more region locked than GSL. DH also has no qualifiers, people have to pay that for themselves. EPS has no online qualifiers and still seems to get overrun by koreans next season. HSC is mostly invites, IEM partially. AFAIK at least HSC has a certain travelling budget for qualifiers as well, although that is pretty big IIRC.
Almost no tournaments do subsidized travel anymore. This guy claiming that everyone is doing it is nonsense. When there is subsidized travel it's generally one-two spots at the most, very rarely a full ride. The vast majority of people playing in those tournaments are paying out of their own pocket to go.
GSLs only region lock is the fact that nobody outside of Korea has the skill or the funds to play in it.
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On June 05 2014 04:00 MajOr wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2014 03:58 TotalBiscuit wrote:On June 05 2014 03:54 MajOr wrote:On June 05 2014 03:52 TotalBiscuit wrote:On June 05 2014 03:50 Ctone23 wrote:
Maybe the community can help you out then. I hope you realize several other players would sacrifice a lot to be in your position. Hope it works out. I'm sure with his attitude the community will be just be falling over themselves to throw money at him. what you talking about? you read my skype nowdays? as i said i mesaged alot of people that should know about this involved with wcs, and they all ignored me what im supposed to do just sit there and do nothing? why you dont mnd your own shit. A quick lesson. You forfeited the right to say "mind your own shit" as soon as you posted the crap all over Twitter. You made it public, deal with the consequences. ? nope you still can deal with your own shit, you dont have to put your nose on every TL thread.
It boggles the mind that you don't have a team, I can't imagine why
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Hey Major what about zanga's post? Is it viable for you?
Btw some people in this thread should really count up to ten before posting
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Flying out of and into big cities costs more... Why don't you look at flights from a town close to you and see if that's cheaper, take a cab to that airport or bus or have someone drop you off. I fly a lot and all of my flights are through multiple places and not direct. It's a bit of a hassle but it's cheaper.
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On June 05 2014 04:01 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2014 04:00 MajOr wrote:On June 05 2014 03:58 TotalBiscuit wrote:On June 05 2014 03:54 MajOr wrote:On June 05 2014 03:52 TotalBiscuit wrote:On June 05 2014 03:50 Ctone23 wrote:
Maybe the community can help you out then. I hope you realize several other players would sacrifice a lot to be in your position. Hope it works out. I'm sure with his attitude the community will be just be falling over themselves to throw money at him. what you talking about? you read my skype nowdays? as i said i mesaged alot of people that should know about this involved with wcs, and they all ignored me what im supposed to do just sit there and do nothing? why you dont mnd your own shit. A quick lesson. You forfeited the right to say "mind your own shit" as soon as you posted the crap all over Twitter. You made it public, deal with the consequences. ? nope you still can deal with your own shit, you dont have to put your nose on every TL thread. It boggles the mind that you don't have a team, I can't imagine why
i am too busy beating your easy players
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On June 05 2014 04:02 MajOr wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2014 04:01 TotalBiscuit wrote:On June 05 2014 04:00 MajOr wrote:On June 05 2014 03:58 TotalBiscuit wrote:On June 05 2014 03:54 MajOr wrote:On June 05 2014 03:52 TotalBiscuit wrote:On June 05 2014 03:50 Ctone23 wrote:
Maybe the community can help you out then. I hope you realize several other players would sacrifice a lot to be in your position. Hope it works out. I'm sure with his attitude the community will be just be falling over themselves to throw money at him. what you talking about? you read my skype nowdays? as i said i mesaged alot of people that should know about this involved with wcs, and they all ignored me what im supposed to do just sit there and do nothing? why you dont mnd your own shit. A quick lesson. You forfeited the right to say "mind your own shit" as soon as you posted the crap all over Twitter. You made it public, deal with the consequences. ? nope you still can deal with your own shit, you dont have to put your nose on every TL thread. It boggles the mind that you don't have a team, I can't imagine why i am too busy beating your easy players
I think you mean forfeiting my tournaments. Do the same here, give the spot to someone who deserves it.
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